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Topic: What album made you discover/like prog?
Posted By: Gnik Nosmirc
Subject: What album made you discover/like prog?
Date Posted: July 01 2024 at 01:10
To me, there was two albums. The first was Bundles by Soft Machine. I was a huge fusion fan, listening to Chick Corea, Herbie Hancock and the like, and stumbled across this wonderful album in my YouTube recommendations. Then, as I dived deeper into Soft Machine, I eventually found The Gates of Delirium which marked my birth as a proghead.

From Yes I discovered Camel, ELP, VdGG, Genesis, etc.



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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: July 01 2024 at 06:56
For me, it was having been lent a copy of two Triumvirat albums, Illusions On A Double Dimple, and Old Loves Die Hard in the spring of 1985, when I was a young lad of 22 years. i thought to myself, this is a genre that would be a mistake not to delve into, and then I began buying lp records of other Triumvirat records, and other  prog bands like ELP, King Crimson, Genesis, PFM, etc.



Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: July 01 2024 at 07:01
Close To The Edge
Trespass

Got those 2 at the same time

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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 01 2024 at 07:45
Although I did not know the term Prog then, I would say that The Alan Parsons Project's I Robot was instrumental to a, maybe, eight year old me in appreciating Prog (love at first listen as I recall). I remember Gary Numan's Replicas being another fave back then (to me a Prog adjacent/related album). Then various Pink Floyd (Atom Heart Mother was an early fave, but my first I remember hearing was The Wall), Gryphon's Midnight Mushrumps and Focus' Hamburger Concerto. The first album I got into that I seem to remember getting to know as a Prog album was Yes' Fragile back in maybe 1986. Later the internet age exposed me to the vast majority of Prog (and related modern music) that I now know. Van der Graaf Generator was one of my early discoveries when searching for music online, but before that I had been recommended King Crimson's In the Court of the Crimson King at a sci-fi web forum and that was one thing that led me into Prog big-time.


Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: July 01 2024 at 08:28
My prog rock starter kit - the first dozen prog albums I ever bought.

5 stars 1976: Camel - Moonmadness -  http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nyGHrNV07De1VA_TDOmy8b8V9hdj8yxS8" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nyGHrNV07De1VA_TDOmy8b8V9hdj8yxS8
5 stars 1975: Hayward & Lodge - Blue Jays -  http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l1Hr46rQ8oA1IGGodOHI0AFZxJefwJ-eA" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist? http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l1Hr46rQ8oA1IGGodOHI0AFZxJefwJ-eA" rel="nofollow - list=OLAK5uy_l1Hr46rQ8oA1IGGodOHI0AFZxJefwJ-eA
5 stars 1967: The Moody Blues - Days of Future Passed -  http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kH3L9CRYvGAW2D1bj_2vx0JYvSpe74Wvw" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kH3L9CRYvGAW2D1bj_2vx0JYvSpe74Wvw
5 stars 1973: Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv_4sZCLlr0" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv_4sZCLlr0
5 stars 1975: Mike Oldfield - Ommadawn -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlNi-zZF6wI" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlNi-zZF6wI
5 stars 1972: Renaissance - Prologue -  http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nsKGwkJQV8nk_f5Xi353Il9e1A-tspJHg" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nsKGwkJQV8nk_f5Xi353Il9e1A-tspJHg
5 stars 1973: Renaissance - Ashes Are Burning -  http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kLlzvwRGj185pGq9yYhveAzan1m0qWHbQ" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kLlzvwRGj185pGq9yYhveAzan1m0qWHbQ
5 stars 1974: Renaissance - Turn of the Cards -  http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lbUiF3mgChPZsCVm33AO0_o3Rpc1qH6fs" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lbUiF3mgChPZsCVm33AO0_o3Rpc1qH6fs
4 stars 1974: Tangerine Dream - Ricochet -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xM1Wc6ha_ic" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xM1Wc6ha_ic
4 stars 1975: Tangerine Dream - Rubycon -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd6XL_IOS3I" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd6XL_IOS3I
5 stars 1976: Tangerine Dream - Stratosfear -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3hueHdzYSI" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3hueHdzYSI
4 stars 1974: Rick Wakeman - Journey to the Centre of the Earth -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HVDIPmbCnE" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HVDIPmbCnE


Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 01 2024 at 08:41
^ Did you buy those in the 70s?

First album I ever bought for myself was The Who's It's Hard in the 80s, but that's another done topic.


Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: July 01 2024 at 08:42
My Dad played DSOTM in the house one evening, ca. 1975, and that's where it started for me. Explorations of his vinyl collection led to more discoveries and then I started my own collection in my teenage years, ca. 1983-1984. I took a hiatus from it during my college years, but dove back into it after I had my first full-time post-college job. You need money to feed a hobby.

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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: July 01 2024 at 08:58
Sometime back in the late 60s, my big brother played Deep Purple's "Book of Talesyn" for me. That was a sound I had been looking for, especially Jon Lord's Hammond playing.


Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: July 01 2024 at 08:59
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

^ Did you buy those in the 70s?

First album I ever bought for myself was The Who's It's Hard in the 80s, but that's another done topic.
Yes, although not always in order of release year. For instance, I bought Renaissance' Ashes Are Burning firstly, followed by Turn of the Cards and then Prologue. The first YES album I ever bought was 90125 in 1983, and besides the Classic Yes compilation, they were the only two YES albums I owned before going online in 2010, when I discovered a whole new world of prog that I never knew existed before. Smile


Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 01 2024 at 09:14
^ Thanks. I was only five years off you with Yes. The first Yes album I bought was Fragile in 1988 (I already knew it). The first album I ever bought was Pink Floyd's Works (as a gift for my brother) in 1983, I think.


Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: July 01 2024 at 09:18
Fragile and Relayer by Yes. Heard both at least a couple of years before Close to the Edge. Fragile got me more into Yes and Relayer got me more into prog in the sense that I knew this music was different. When I first heard relayer it made me think "what the hell is this?" King Crimson's Larks Tongues in Aspic around the same time or maybe a little later did the same thing. However, it was really seeing the term "progressive rock" in different books (especially the harmony encyclopedia of rock) that made me associate the term prog with the bands I was getting into at the time. If I didn't know the term "prog" or "progressive rock" or whatever then I most likely would never have explored beyond the big six.


Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: July 01 2024 at 09:24
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

^ Thanks. I was only five years off you with Yes. The first Yes album I bought was Fragile in 1988 (I already knew it). The first album I ever bought was Pink Floyd's Works (as a gift for my brother) in 1983, I think.

My earliest experiences although I didn't necessarily know they were called prog at the time:

Rush - Signals  Bought on cassette tape in late 1982
Pink Floyd - The Final Cut Bought on vinyl in the summer of 1983
Genesis - Shapes (s/t) christmas present in 1983
Yes - 90125 bought on cassette tape in late 83 or early 84
Yes - Classic Yes - was waiting for me on cassette tape in the summer of 84 (I ordered it through the mail just before I went to summer camp. Some kids at camp were really into Yes so it made me even more excited when I got home to listen to it)
Yes - Fragile  Late summer of 1984 (late July or August of that year)

In 1985 I first heard King Crimson, Relayer by Yes, etc. The snow ball obviously started to roll and by 86 I was well on my way to being a prog fan having known the term by then.


Posted By: SleepingFinger
Date Posted: July 01 2024 at 22:23
Nursery Cryme by Genesis. I heard The Musical Box and was hooked!


Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: July 02 2024 at 02:28
ITCOTCK.  I first heard it in 1969, when it first came out.  A friend played his brother's LP for me. 

I was instantly grabbed by the sound of the Mellotron in the title song.  The rest is history. 


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Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: July 02 2024 at 03:33
Ze Słowem Biegnę do Ciebie by SBB (first heard it in 2013). That was my very first step into the "prog" world. Then came In the Court of the Crimson King (King Crimson) and Fragile (Yes). I became a "true prog fan" the moment I figured out the common elements between those three albums, and that there was a whole genre of music built upon those elements.

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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 02 2024 at 08:11
Hi,

None really ... I was already into the music that was putting the bubblegum AM thing to bed, with the Beatles, Moody Blues, and as time went by, I got into Janis, Jim, and many others as soon as they appeared and it was the "new mantra", the new vision, that took over for me ... it was a cultural revolution for me, and I welcomed it. And when that shooting took place in Ohio, I knew I was in the right place, fighting with the artists for something that was fair ... and not out of line.

The music, like the arts, NEVER STOPPED, and continued, and I have been with them since then.

To think that there was one album, or band that made a difference is strange to me ... so how were you aware of things around you ... and worse ... did it matter at all? 

For many of us, going back to the 60's, most of it was important, and not just hot farts, and insipid lyrics by a lot of bands considered tops in various lists.

I like to say that the "poetry" was killed, and replaced by plastic, or plasticine as the Beatles said. And I think that many of us didn't care anymore ... like we were defeated, anyway! A generation, that while well meaning, did not have the inner strength to continue ... they had to wait for it to get commercialized!


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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: July 03 2024 at 09:33

The first Prog album, I liked (even much), was ELP's Trilogy.


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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: July 03 2024 at 09:34
Genesis: Three Sides Live...

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Posted By: TheGazzardian
Date Posted: July 03 2024 at 10:09
Yes - 90125 made me curious about Yes, which lead to Relayer / CTTE, but they were just 'another artist' in my library. Each album of theirs made me like them more and want to hear more. It wasn't until I think my seventh Yes album (Fragile) that something clicked and I recognized it wasn't just Yes, but prog as something distinct I was into and wanted to explore further. In The Court, Selling England by the Pound, 2112, Thick as a Brick and Gentle Giant were the records that confirmed the broader 'prog' umbrella was, indeed, something special.


Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: July 03 2024 at 15:27
Back in dinosaur time we listened to Zappa, Rush, Floyd, Kansas, Tull and never knew it was prog. I've always enjoyed music that had unusual twists and turns so that's why I dig prog.


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 04 2024 at 03:16
Tarkus.
That was a revelation to me. This is even possible? For a while I thought all other bands were pants though. Nothing compared to this. Eventually I got to prog in general but it took a few years for the Tarkus effect to wear off. Most 70's prog was always a little wimpy compared to ELP!


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 04 2024 at 08:14
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Tarkus.
That was a revelation to me. This is even possible? For a while I thought all other bands were pants though. Nothing compared to this. Eventually I got to prog in general but it took a few years for the Tarkus effect to wear off. Most 70's prog was always a little wimpy compared to ELP!

Hi,

I really miss, what I call, the "artistic" side of the music ... when all it means these days to be progressive is to have "lyrics" tell us what the whole thing is about ... not realizing that the music, for hundreds of years, has always spoken far more than many words ... and that is not to say that some words are not special, but within the past 20 years, not a whole lot has really shown itself to be absolutely  massively well composed material ... and all we have to do is hear Rachel Flowers do TARKUS in its entirety on the piano alone ... to realize what an incredible piece of music it is ... and not many pieces stand out like it.

I always reference this with my days at UCSB ... 40 years ago ... no professor would ever have looked at that and thought it was excellent, and Keith had to "translate it" for his mates, and ended up with an incredible piece of music ... only to find many years later ... what it really was ... but that "style" was how things got noticed in those days ... and gracious goodness ... it doesn't really get a whole lot better than that. 

I always thought TFTO and Tarkus were 2 of the greatest things in my collection, and often I say ... my life!


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Posted By: ThyroidGlands
Date Posted: July 04 2024 at 08:21
About three years ago, I listened to Focus III. For several months, I had been leaning towards listening to more complex music, but I had never listened to progressive rock. I didn't know what kind of music it was, but I really liked the album. When I looked up information about the band on the internet, I immediately recognized the brilliant Hocus Pocus (which up to that point I had found horrible). After that, I listened to Hamburger Concerto, which blew my mind after a couple of listens. So, we could say that Hamburger Concerto is the first prog album I listened to (I don't consider Focus III to be progressive rock).


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Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: July 04 2024 at 09:39
Meddle by Pink Floyd - first heard it back in 1972 and it was my gateway into the Floyd (in particular), and into prog rock (in general).

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Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: July 04 2024 at 09:48
Yes- Fragile "I sat upon the grass of my babysitter's backyard and Roundabout jumped out the speakers of my teenage sitter's radio.  I was hypnotized. 

Dark Side of the Moon

Nursery Cryme


Posted By: robharrisonmusic
Date Posted: July 05 2024 at 07:09
I'd always loved Tull, but it was finding Gentle Giant's Octopus in my dad's record collection that drove me down this path - I had no idea it was even a prog album when I first put it on!


Posted By: Moonshake
Date Posted: July 05 2024 at 13:50
For me, it was In the Court of the Crimson King. In 1969, my older brother bought it and played it for me. I was 12 years old. We didn't know what prog was, and it was probably not even called prog back then. We just liked the music and we thought the cover was pretty amazing.


Posted By: Frets N Worries
Date Posted: July 05 2024 at 19:31
Dire Straits - Love Over Gold

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Posted By: Gnik Nosmirc
Date Posted: July 07 2024 at 07:42
Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

Dire Straits - Love Over Gold

Interesting pick. I wonder how it got you to more technical prog.


Posted By: kreiff
Date Posted: July 09 2024 at 15:54
Grumpyprogfan hits on this idea...I think the "real" answer for me would be Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon. My dad got a copy on CD as part of his Columbia House "Bonus" CDs when I was like 10 years old and I used to listen to it on the family stereo all the time...but I didn't know it was prog, really.

The band that turned me on to "Prog" proper was Änglagård. I saw them at NEARfest in 2003 and nearly fell over myself running to their merch booth after their performance. Bought a copy of "Hybris" immediately and fell all the way down the rabbit hole.


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 10 2024 at 10:14
I heard Dark Side Of The Moon back in 1977 for the first time and wondered what the fuss was all about. Generally prog was not for me at the age if it was that dull. Conversely I loved the Wall but nowadays those 2 albums have switched places in my personal affections!


Posted By: Gentle and Giant
Date Posted: July 10 2024 at 12:57
A Rush album. I first heard Caress of Steel, then Hemispheres when my mate convinced me to listen to them.

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Posted By: Neon_meate
Date Posted: July 10 2024 at 16:33
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

My prog rock starter kit - the first dozen prog albums I ever bought.

5 stars<span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;"> 1976: Camel - Moonmadness -  http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nyGHrNV07De1VA_TDOmy8b8V9hdj8yxS8" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nyGHrNV07De1VA_TDOmy8b8V9hdj8yxS8 </span>
5 stars<span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;"> 1975: Hayward & Lodge - Blue Jays -  http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l1Hr46rQ8oA1IGGodOHI0AFZxJefwJ-eA" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist? </span> http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l1Hr46rQ8oA1IGGodOHI0AFZxJefwJ-eA" rel="nofollow - list=OLAK5uy_l1Hr46rQ8oA1IGGodOHI0AFZxJefwJ-eA
5 stars<span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;"> 1967: The Moody Blues - Days of Future Passed -  http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kH3L9CRYvGAW2D1bj_2vx0JYvSpe74Wvw" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kH3L9CRYvGAW2D1bj_2vx0JYvSpe74Wvw </span>
5 stars<span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;"> 1973: Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv_4sZCLlr0" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv_4sZCLlr0 </span>
5 stars<span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;"> 1975: Mike Oldfield - Ommadawn -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlNi-zZF6wI" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlNi-zZF6wI </span>
5 stars<span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;"> 1972: Renaissance - Prologue -  http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nsKGwkJQV8nk_f5Xi353Il9e1A-tspJHg" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nsKGwkJQV8nk_f5Xi353Il9e1A-tspJHg </span>
5 stars<span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;"> 1973: Renaissance - Ashes Are Burning -  http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kLlzvwRGj185pGq9yYhveAzan1m0qWHbQ" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kLlzvwRGj185pGq9yYhveAzan1m0qWHbQ </span>
5 stars<span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;"> 1974: Renaissance - Turn of the Cards -  http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lbUiF3mgChPZsCVm33AO0_o3Rpc1qH6fs" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lbUiF3mgChPZsCVm33AO0_o3Rpc1qH6fs </span>
4 stars 1974: Tangerine Dream - Ricochet -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xM1Wc6ha_ic" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xM1Wc6ha_ic
4 stars<span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;"> 1975: Tangerine Dream - Rubycon -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd6XL_IOS3I" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd6XL_IOS3I </span>
5 stars<span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;"> 1976: Tangerine Dream - Stratosfear -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3hueHdzYSI" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3hueHdzYSI </span>
4 stars<span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;"> 1974: Rick Wakeman - Journey to the Centre of the Earth -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HVDIPmbCnE" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HVDIPmbCnE </span>


Oh!! A lot of your starter pack is similar to mine! Not albums but definitely bands. Camel’s Mirage along side Moonmadness.

And I still love Force Majeure by Tangerine Dream.


Anglagard’s Hybris and Pictures by Island are two other ones. Also Turn of the Cards. I feel, now, that Scheherazade and Other Stories is my favorite of theirs, even though it’s got some infectious songs that do not leave my head if I even think of them.


Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: July 10 2024 at 19:23
Originally posted by ThyroidGlands ThyroidGlands wrote:

About three years ago, I listened to Focus III. For several months, I had been leaning towards listening to more complex music, but I had never listened to progressive rock. I didn't know what kind of music it was, but I really liked the album. When I looked up information about the band on the internet, I immediately recognized the brilliant Hocus Pocus (which up to that point I had found horrible). After that, I listened to Hamburger Concerto, which blew my mind after a couple of listens. So, we could say that Hamburger Concerto is the first prog album I listened to (I don't consider Focus III to be progressive rock).

So what do you consider Focus 3 to be then? 


Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: July 11 2024 at 01:58
Originally posted by Neon_meate Neon_meate wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

My prog rock starter kit - the first dozen prog albums I ever bought.



Oh!! A lot of your starter pack is similar to mine! Not albums but definitely bands. Camel’s Mirage along side Moonmadness.

And I still love Force Majeure by Tangerine Dream.


Force Majeure was the fourth Tangerine Dream album I ever bought, after Stratosfear, Ricochet & Rubycon. From Tangerine Dream, that led me on to the music of Jean Michel Jarre, Vangelis, Synergy and Tomita..... You say Tomita, I say Tomato. Let's call the whole thing off. Tongue


Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: July 11 2024 at 02:20
Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Back in dinosaur time we listened to Zappa, Rush, Floyd, Kansas, Tull and never knew it was prog. .


So true !


Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: July 11 2024 at 04:18
My first answer would be Tull's Stand Up, but I was only 6 when I first heard it

Soooo, I'd say that Harmonium's debut and Crime Of The Century (my first two albums bought with my own money in 74) were it.


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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 11 2024 at 10:56
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by ThyroidGlands ThyroidGlands wrote:

About three years ago, I listened to Focus III. For several months, I had been leaning towards listening to more complex music, but I had never listened to progressive rock. I didn't know what kind of music it was, but I really liked the album. When I looked up information about the band on the internet, I immediately recognized the brilliant Hocus Pocus (which up to that point I had found horrible). After that, I listened to Hamburger Concerto, which blew my mind after a couple of listens. So, we could say that Hamburger Concerto is the first prog album I listened to (I don't consider Focus III to be progressive rock).

So what do you consider Focus 3 to be then? 

I watched an interview with Van Leer recently and he said he hated the term 'progressive rock' and still does. He considers Focus an 'instrumental band'. Confused Anyhow Focus 3 is more fusion based so I agree with the view that it's not really 'prog' as such. Hamburger Concerto however clearly is prog despite what Van Leer may assert. IMO


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 11 2024 at 11:51
Originally posted by ThyroidGlands ThyroidGlands wrote:

About three years ago, I listened to Focus III. For several months, I had been leaning towards listening to more complex music, but I had never listened to progressive rock. I didn't know what kind of music it was, but I really liked the album. When I looked up information about the band on the internet, I immediately recognized the brilliant Hocus Pocus (which up to that point I had found horrible). After that, I listened to Hamburger Concerto, which blew my mind after a couple of listens. So, we could say that Hamburger Concerto is the first prog album I listened to (I don't consider Focus III to be progressive rock).

Hi,

ERUPTION is the treat in that album ... a really special piece of  music. 

And yes, HAMBURGER CONCERTO is also a very nice treat. As is other stuff in that album ...


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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 11 2024 at 11:59
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

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I watched an interview with Van Leer recently and he said he hated the term 'progressive rock' and still does. He considers Focus an 'instrumental band'. Confused Anyhow Focus 3 is more fusion based so I agree with the view that it's not really 'prog' as such. Hamburger Concerto however clearly is prog despite what Van Leer may assert. IMO

Hi,

He's not the only one ... Robert Fripp has stated that KC is not progressive.

But, I think the issue here, is that we're talking about folks that know music very well, and are truly educated in terms of its history and a lot of music. And remember that Van Leer had several solo albums (the Introspection Series) that were all about classical music in the flute. And that kinda pretty much states to my ear that all music is just a natural "progression" based on its history and how the playing of it evolved, from the quartets and small gigs on the courts to an organ at a church, to eventual huge orchestras some 450 years later. That is a "progression" and the composing side adjusted to what was available, which is AKIN to the new electric instruments after WW2, and eventually Rock Music, and Jazz Music. 

Sadly, for commercial purposes, Focus likely will not be found in many places, other than "progressive" websites ... and one song in the "classic radio" which the band will never get paid for! (per article just this week on USA TODAY ... written by David Byrne!)


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Posted By: Neon_meate
Date Posted: July 11 2024 at 14:52
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Neon_meate Neon_meate wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

My prog rock starter kit - the first dozen prog albums I ever bought.



Oh!! A lot of your starter pack is similar to mine! Not albums but definitely bands. Camel’s Mirage along side Moonmadness.

And I still love Force Majeure by Tangerine Dream.



Force Majeure was the fourth Tangerine Dream album I ever bought, after Stratosfear, Ricochet & Rubycon. From Tangerine Dream, that led me on to the music of Jean Michel Jarre, Vangelis, Synergy and Tomita..... You say Tomita, I say Tomato. Let's call the whole thing off. Tongue




Your path was definitely similar to mine! I adore Cords by Synergy! I’ve listened quite a bit to Jean as well! Have you heard Quark by Jun Fukamachi?


Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: July 11 2024 at 16:15
Manfred Mann's Earth Band - Watch and then much of their other stuff, followed by Animals, WYWH, and the first two Pink Floyd albums. 


Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: July 11 2024 at 16:31
Originally posted by Neon_meate Neon_meate wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Neon_meate Neon_meate wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

My prog rock starter kit - the first dozen prog albums I ever bought.



Oh!! A lot of your starter pack is similar to mine! Not albums but definitely bands. Camel’s Mirage along side Moonmadness.

And I still love Force Majeure by Tangerine Dream.



Force Majeure was the fourth Tangerine Dream album I ever bought, after Stratosfear, Ricochet & Rubycon. From Tangerine Dream, that led me on to the music of Jean Michel Jarre, Vangelis, Synergy and Tomita..... You say Tomita, I say Tomato. Let's call the whole thing off. Tongue




Your path was definitely similar to mine! I adore Cords by Synergy! I’ve listened quite a bit to Jean as well! Have you heard Quark by Jun Fukamachi?
No, but I've heard Quark, Strangeness and Charm, where Hawkwind  sound strangely punkish, and lacking in charm. but maybe not so surprising for 1977. Smile



Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: July 11 2024 at 19:17
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by ThyroidGlands ThyroidGlands wrote:

About three years ago, I listened to Focus III. For several months, I had been leaning towards listening to more complex music, but I had never listened to progressive rock. I didn't know what kind of music it was, but I really liked the album. When I looked up information about the band on the internet, I immediately recognized the brilliant Hocus Pocus (which up to that point I had found horrible). After that, I listened to Hamburger Concerto, which blew my mind after a couple of listens. So, we could say that Hamburger Concerto is the first prog album I listened to (I don't consider Focus III to be progressive rock).

Hi,

ERUPTION is the treat in that album ... a really special piece of  music. 

And yes, HAMBURGER CONCERTO is also a very nice treat. As is other stuff in that album ...

Eruption is on Moving Waves (Focus II) and not Focus 3.


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 11 2024 at 21:49
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Neon_meate Neon_meate wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Neon_meate Neon_meate wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

My prog rock starter kit - the first dozen prog albums I ever bought.



Oh!! A lot of your starter pack is similar to mine! Not albums but definitely bands. Camel’s Mirage along side Moonmadness.

And I still love Force Majeure by Tangerine Dream.



Force Majeure was the fourth Tangerine Dream album I ever bought, after Stratosfear, Ricochet & Rubycon. From Tangerine Dream, that led me on to the music of Jean Michel Jarre, Vangelis, Synergy and Tomita..... You say Tomita, I say Tomato. Let's call the whole thing off. Tongue




Your path was definitely similar to mine! I adore Cords by Synergy! I’ve listened quite a bit to Jean as well! Have you heard Quark by Jun Fukamachi?
No, but I've heard Quark, Strangeness and Charm, where Hawkwind  sound strangely punkish, and lacking in charm. but maybe not so surprising for 1977. Smile


Spirit Of The Age was great at least. I love the whole album actually and it's probably the only Hawkwind album that I can put up with it. (Bad nostalgia of a sixth form common room and Hawkwind were constantly on the stereo especially anything involving Michael Moorcroft bellowing out.)


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: July 12 2024 at 01:22
Originally posted by Neon_meate Neon_meate wrote:

Have you heard Quark by Jun Fukamachi?


That desperately needs a reissue.

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Posted By: Formentera Lady
Date Posted: July 12 2024 at 10:10
Back in 1982 my older brother left 2 cassettes on the living room table: Genesis - Three Sides Live and Supertramp - Paris.
I was 13 and already knew how to operate the cassette player, so I put the cassettes in... and was completely blown away. I went to the library and tried to search, what kind of music that was. Later that year I bought my first vinyl on the flee market from my small pocket money: a used copy of Yes - Yessongs, because in the library I found the information, that this music might fit. That's how it all started.
Btw, I still have the album!

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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: July 12 2024 at 10:16
Originally posted by Formentera Lady Formentera Lady wrote:

Back in 1982 my older brother left 2 cassettes on the living room table: Genesis - Three Sides Live and Supertramp - Paris.
I was 13 and already knew how to operate the cassette player, so I put the cassettes in... and was completely blown away. I went to the library and tried to search, what kind of music that was. Later that year I bought my first vinyl on the flee market from my small pocket money: a used copy of Yes - Yessongs, because in the library I found the information, that this music might fit. That's how it all started.
Btw, I still have the album!


That's called startin' at the top!

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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: July 12 2024 at 10:22
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Spirit Of The Age was great at least. I love the whole album actually and it's probably the only Hawkwind album that I can put up with it. (Bad nostalgia of a sixth form common room and Hawkwind were constantly on the stereo especially anything involving Michael Moorcroft bellowing out.)


QS&C isn't my fave Hawkwind album but it rocks. I like "Damnation Alley" (based on Zelazny's book) a lot.

You don't like Warrior on the Edge of Time, Choose Your Masques, Chronicle of the Black Sword...?

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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 13 2024 at 01:22
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Spirit Of The Age was great at least. I love the whole album actually and it's probably the only Hawkwind album that I can put up with it. (Bad nostalgia of a sixth form common room and Hawkwind were constantly on the stereo especially anything involving Michael Moorcroft bellowing out.)


QS&C isn't my fave Hawkwind album but it rocks. I like "Damnation Alley" (based on Zelazny's book) a lot.

You don't like Warrior on the Edge of Time, Choose Your Masques, Chronicle of the Black Sword...?

I suppose I need to expand my listening but I've only tried a few albums here and there. Space Ritual is the only other album I've properly listened to. Warrior On The Edge Of Time is still very much the Moorcock (not Moorcroft above, typo!) era but I note it has a strong rating on PA so I'll give that a go.Thumbs Up


Posted By: Boojieboy
Date Posted: July 15 2024 at 10:54
Jethro Tull, Kansas, Yes, etc. in popular settings (not so much outwardly noted as "prog" or something unique).

With Gentle Giant, I got into the more complex / deep prog.


Posted By: stegor
Date Posted: July 15 2024 at 17:02
Aqualung, age 14. My older sister bought it because she played the flute in high school band and someone told her this guy was really good. I don't think she was expecting that kind of heaviness. Bungle in the Jungle was a hit at the time, but I thought it was kinda silly so I didn't really like it. Then I heard My God and thought - this is as heavy as Black Sabbath, but with a flute! Listening to that song while looking at the inner gatefold was a life-changer.


Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: July 15 2024 at 19:28
Where I done growed up, tweren't nothin' called prog in them thar early 70s. Y'all either had good rock or bullsh*t. 

So we listened to Yes, Tull, King Crimson, Zeppelin, Sabbath, Floyd, Genesis, The Who, The Allman Brothers, Traffic, Moody Blues, The Stones, Procol Harum, Santana, Bowie, Neil Young, T. Rex, Humble Pie, Mott the Hoople, Alice Cooper, and 60s stuff like The Beatles, the Doors, Hendrix, Janis, Cream, etc. The "genre" didn't mean jack. It was either good, or it was ignored.


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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 16 2024 at 06:42
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Where I done growed up, tweren't nothin' called prog in them thar early 70s. Y'all either had good rock or bullsh*t. 

So we listened to Yes, Tull, King Crimson, Zeppelin, Sabbath, Floyd, Genesis, The Who, The Allman Brothers, Traffic, Moody Blues, The Stones, Procol Harum, Santana, Bowie, Neil Young, T. Rex, Humble Pie, Mott the Hoople, Alice Cooper, and 60s stuff like The Beatles, the Doors, Hendrix, Janis, Cream, etc. The "genre" didn't mean jack. It was either good, or it was ignored.

Hi,

That's the thing that bothers me the most about some of the things listed that (supposedly) are good, and I have sat and listened to it ... and honestly, I could not say "it was good". 

I don't like to compare things, since it was a different time and place, but a lot of the music these days, is missing the strength ... of what another band says ... forgot what you are fighting for ... and try hard to make us think that words from the "book" are important and then some "conceptual" things here and there, that sound no different than anything else.

I am not sure that many folks realize how DIFFERENT each one was that you mentioned, as opposed to some listing where many bands have a similar format and basically the same style, with the "solos" in exactly the same place ... it's like the personality of the music is invisible, and we can't say that about your list.


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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: July 16 2024 at 08:45
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Where I done growed up, tweren't nothin' called prog in them thar early 70s. Y'all either had good rock or bullsh*t. 

So we listened to Yes, Tull, King Crimson, Zeppelin, Sabbath, Floyd, Genesis, The Who, The Allman Brothers, Traffic, Moody Blues, The Stones, Procol Harum, Santana, Bowie, Neil Young, T. Rex, Humble Pie, Mott the Hoople, Alice Cooper, and 60s stuff like The Beatles, the Doors, Hendrix, Janis, Cream, etc. The "genre" didn't mean jack. It was either good, or it was ignored.

Hi,

That's the thing that bothers me the most about some of the things listed that (supposedly) are good, and I have sat and listened to it ... and honestly, I could not say "it was good". 

I don't like to compare things, since it was a different time and place, but a lot of the music these days, is missing the strength ... of what another band says ... forgot what you are fighting for ... and try hard to make us think that words from the "book" are important and then some "conceptual" things here and there, that sound no different than anything else.

I am not sure that many folks realize how DIFFERENT each one was that you mentioned, as opposed to some listing where many bands have a similar format and basically the same style, with the "solos" in exactly the same place ... it's like the personality of the music is invisible, and we can't say that about your list.
I was reading a fairly recent interview with guitarist Steve Lukather, and he said something very original, that there are no "copycat groups" out there, that each artist is unique...and that is a perspective I have rarely heard said by anybody....I found it quite interesting.....so with that perspective, ELP are ELP , and Triumvirat sound like Triumvirat, and Yes are Yes, and Starcastle sound like Starcastle....and so on....


Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: July 17 2024 at 00:55
I'm not sure I could say which album did it. I got to know a few ones out of coincidence before ever knowing what prog was. First, I was curious about Pink Floyd, so from them I did get first The Wall, though now it's far from my favourite from them. And then a friend lent me some mix tapes with several Floyd songs, and then I started to get all their albums. The same friend also lent me some Alan Parsons, and then I think I borrowed their first two albums (and then some more) before buying them myself. And she also lent me Myths and Legends from Rick Wakeman. Also, I borrowed several vinyls from my grandmother, including Hamburger Concerto from Focus (which she strongly recommended) and Cinquiem Saison from Harmonium (which I think she never gave much of a chance, actually). I also borrowed from her Live Bursting Out from Jethro Tull and Relayer from Yes, but they didn't click with me at the time. And then, because of the Wakeman connection, I did get curious about some more Yes (specially if it featured Wakeman) and looked out about them (and thus I ended up knowing PA), and did start getting their dyscography, starting with Fragile and Close to the Edge... and I guess that's the moment I officially started seeking prog.


Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: July 17 2024 at 02:11
Crime of the Century

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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: July 18 2024 at 06:25
I think I was born for listening prog, but the album is this:

Trilogy t.)


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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 18 2024 at 09:47
Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

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I was reading a fairly recent interview with guitarist Steve Lukather, and he said something very original, that there are no "copycat groups" out there, that each artist is unique...and that is a perspective I have rarely heard said by anybody....I found it quite interesting.....so with that perspective, ELP are ELP , and Triumvirat sound like Triumvirat, and Yes are Yes, and Starcastle sound like Starcastle....and so on....

Hi,

There weren't many copycats way back when and THAT IS THE REASON why we remember so many of them! But saying that TODAY, when we go through the list of each month, it is a completely different story ... not that many things are exceptionally "different" as the stuff was 50 years ago, and we are not able to appreciate it without comparing it to something else.

None of us sits here and says that the Romantic Era in music was better than the Expressionistic Era in music, and it was obvious that it was a different time and place for each of those ... but we keep listing these bands in the same era as if it all was up in the last 5 years or so ... and that is something that is difficult to relate to a lot of "today's" audience. It's not that they don't listen to music, or don't like yesterday's stuff ... it is more that it is looked at as exactly the same as those were 50 years ago ... AND THAT IS NOT THE CASE at all!

To me, they are all different ... and that is what makes me enjoy them even though some will say that this bands sounds like and that band sounds like, which for me is like saying Triumvirat sounds like ELP ... it takes the compositional side of Triumvirat out the window for me, and that is not fair to the musicians that tried so hard to do what they saw and thought was valuable.


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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: July 18 2024 at 09:54
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

...
I was reading a fairly recent interview with guitarist Steve Lukather, and he said something very original, that there are no "copycat groups" out there, that each artist is unique...and that is a perspective I have rarely heard said by anybody....I found it quite interesting.....so with that perspective, ELP are ELP , and Triumvirat sound like Triumvirat, and Yes are Yes, and Starcastle sound like Starcastle....and so on....

Hi,

There weren't many copycats way back when and THAT IS THE REASON why we remember so many of them! But saying that TODAY, when we go through the list of each month, it is a completely different story ... not that many things are exceptionally "different" as the stuff was 50 years ago, and we are not able to appreciate it without comparing it to something else.

None of us sits here and says that the Romantic Era in music was better than the Expressionistic Era in music, and it was obvious that it was a different time and place for each of those ... but we keep listing these bands in the same era as if it all was up in the last 5 years or so ... and that is something that is difficult to relate to a lot of "today's" audience. It's not that they don't listen to music, or don't like yesterday's stuff ... it is more that it is looked at as exactly the same as those were 50 years ago ... AND THAT IS NOT THE CASE at all!

To me, they are all different ... and that is what makes me enjoy them even though some will say that this bands sounds like and that band sounds like, which for me is like saying Triumvirat sounds like ELP ... it takes the compositional side of Triumvirat out the window for me, and that is not fair to the musicians that tried so hard to do what they saw and thought was valuable.
Thanks for your thoughtful reply, moshkito....


Posted By: SleepingFinger
Date Posted: July 18 2024 at 21:16
Nursery Cryme by Genesis, Relayer by Yes, and the first Emerson Lake & Palmer album.


Posted By: SleepingFinger
Date Posted: July 18 2024 at 21:17
A Pink Floyd compilation full of early material was another useful starting point I forgot to mention!


Posted By: danRP
Date Posted: July 19 2024 at 08:53
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Posted By: Zeph
Date Posted: July 19 2024 at 12:38
Porcupine Tree - Deadwing is the first I can remember. I’d listened to other stuff that’s on PA, but which I don’t necessarily call prog.



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