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Topic: David Gilmour Announces New AlbumPosted By: jude111
Subject: David Gilmour Announces New Album
Date Posted: April 24 2024 at 11:46
https://consequence.net/artist/david-gilmour/" rel="nofollow - David Gilmour has announced the release of his first new album in nine years. Entitled Luck and Strange, it will be released on September 6th through Sony Music. The first track from the album, “The Piper’s Call,” will premiere on Thursday, April 25th.
The former https://consequence.net/artist/pink-floyd/" rel="nofollow - Pink Floyd member recorded the nine-track LP over five months in Brighton and London with producer Charlie Andrew and a group of contributing musicians that included Guy Pratt and Tom Herbert on bass; Adam Betts, Steve Gadd, and Steve DiStanislao on drums; Rob Gentry and Roger Eno on keyboards; and string and choral arrangements by Will Gardner. The album’s title track also features late Pink Floyd keyboard player Richard Wright, recorded in 2007 during a jam in a barn at Gilmour’s house.
Luck and Strange was born out of global lockdown of 2020 and 2021, during which Gilmour and his family kept themselves entertained by performing together on livestreams. “It’s written from the point of view of being older; mortality is the constant,” Gilmour’s wife, Polly Sampson explained, with Gilmour adding, “We spent a load of time during and after lockdown talking about and thinking about those kind of things.”
http://https://consequence.net/2024/04/david-gilmour-new-album-luck-and-strange/" rel="nofollow - CONTINUED
Replies: Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: April 24 2024 at 11:53
According to the article, one of the tracks is a cover of Between Two Points by the Montgolfier Brothers. I never heard of it or them; curious, I checked it out, and I can totally hear Gilmour covering this to brilliant effect. Has a similar vibe to On an Island. Really looking forward to it!
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: April 24 2024 at 11:56
Definitely hear before buy on this given the last one.
------------- Ian
Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com
Posted By: tdfloyd
Date Posted: May 13 2024 at 22:47
Hope he picks up the pace on a track or two. Maybe let Steve Gadd work some of his magic
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: May 15 2024 at 07:43
I already pre-ordered the record, I'm glad he is doing music that he seems to really enjoy. For sure it's not PF'ish material, we have enough of that to enjoy. And thank GOD it's not some reissue of a PF album ala RWaters DSOtM mess and waste of time.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 16 2024 at 00:28
I just don't like Gilmour's songwriting ... at all. Toothless, meaningless meandering. I did not care much for RW's DSOTM Redux either, but I love the videos he produced during the pandemic. The whole band was on point, the videos had a point, and they rocked. Gilmour does not.
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 16 2024 at 00:50
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
I just don't like Gilmour's songwriting ... at all. Toothless, meaningless meandering. I did not care much for RW's DSOTM Redux either, but I love the videos he produced during the pandemic. The whole band was on point, the videos had a point, and they rocked. Gilmour does not.
So what was the point of RW's pandemic videos?! How did they rock?!
Meaningless meandering?! Really?! How?!
If you dislike Gilmour, that's fine, but that was harsh...
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 16 2024 at 15:16
^ I think the release will be that bad, unfortunately. I really love everything DG has contributed to PF, including AMLoR and large parts of Division Bell. But somehow he is completely unable to come up with interesting music on his own.
I'm not going to post any of RWs videos here, but you're welcome to watch them yourself. Mother, Two Suns and especially Bravery. They're slow, they're quite "redux", but the whole band is laser-focused.
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: May 16 2024 at 22:56
Yep Gilmour is one of the greatest guitarists ever (IMO) but as an artist largely sucks. I did listen to Rattle that Lock and owned a copy but it's not very interesting and this will be a hard pass. There are so many better things to invest in rather than lining the pockets further of a mega rich rock star who has done little of note since the seventies. Waters and Gilmour are about as clear a case of 2 guys that desperately need each other, but tragically can't get along, as there has even been in music (Lennon/McCartney being the other obvious example back in the day although they didn't suck solo)
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: May 17 2024 at 00:18
Maybe, but generating original music that has any merit at all is not only incredibly difficult, it is a virtue. You have to create the stuff basically from whole cloth and hope you come up with even a few good cuts. When you compare Gilmour's total solo work with, say, Clapton, Jeff Beck (who made maybe two or three really good records), or Jimmy "I could only make one solo album and it wasn't that great" Page, you see the talent and effort more clearly. Takes guts, and a lot of hard work.
------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 17 2024 at 01:06
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ I think the release will be that bad, unfortunately. I really love everything DG has contributed to PF, including AMLoR and large parts of Division Bell. But somehow he is completely unable to come up with interesting music on his own.
That's just your opinion. I don't know if you listened to his first two albums, I think those two are his best, especially his debut album from 1978. I find both more enjoyable than what Waters did on his own. Amused to Death only comes close.
And if I was to compare PF musicians solo works, my favorites are Wright's two albums.
I bought Gilmour's last album when it came out, surprisingly good, I thought it was better (more interesting song-writing) than On An Island.
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 17 2024 at 01:10
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
I'm not going to post any of RWs videos here, but you're welcome to watch them yourself. Mother, Two Suns and especially Bravery. They're slow, they're quite "redux", but the whole band is laser-focused.
I have obviously listened to those pandemic Waters videos, how would it make sense of me disagreeing with you if I hadn't. They didn't do anything for me. And I think the re-working of Bravery was the least interesting...
I'll see myself out...
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 17 2024 at 01:12
^ It's perfectly fine for people to have differing opinions ... it seems like nowadays the reverse is expected. Hopefully we can reverse that trend ...
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 17 2024 at 01:16
David Gilmour's long-awaited new album is definitely an album I would buy without needing to hear it first, bearing in mind all of his previous albums are 5-star masterpieces.
1978: David Gilmour - David Gilmour - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lN1y8ZQU3IBWc0I0le3slF86aT_oG3jho" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lN1y8ZQU3IBWc0I0le3slF86aT_oG3jho
1984: David Gilmour - About Face - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mp5iKtmpz0L526m66PZOZT1dq7X9-sv-4" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mp5iKtmpz0L526m66PZOZT1dq7X9-sv-4
1984: David Gilmour - Live at the Hammersmith Odeon - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud-0N4MxkEI&t=801s" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud-0N4MxkEI&t=801s
2002: David Gilmour - In Concert - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hrd5Ek54VA" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hrd5Ek54VA
2006: David Gilmour - On an Island - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nGwqy7yJhN62T_T5_IqGNnXnu_aPTGLhA" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nGwqy7yJhN62T_T5_IqGNnXnu_aPTGLhA
2007: David Gilmour - Remember That Night - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOjbGxMrwuU" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOjbGxMrwuU
2008: David Gilmour - Live in Gdansk - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkQp5L4h1Vg" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkQp5L4h1Vg
2015: David Gilmour - Rattle That Lock - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lsIpqcUJCkku0Vou19a-hszRzre3aXChM" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lsIpqcUJCkku0Vou19a-hszRzre3aXChM
2017: David Gilmour - Live at Pompeii - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsDZ7QcsbDR8Wx2-l1oDvJA-77ioQ6mDZ" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsDZ7QcsbDR8Wx2-l1oDvJA-77ioQ6mDZ
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 17 2024 at 01:39
^ If all of those are five star releases, how many stars are releases like DSOTM?
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 17 2024 at 02:07
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ If all of those are five star releases, how many stars are releases like DSOTM?
I was just trying to strike a balance against some of the negativity regarding any new solo album release by ex-members of Pink Floyd. Obviously, none of them can compete with Dark Side of the Moon, but I prefer all of David Gilmour's solo albums over Wish You Were Here.
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 17 2024 at 02:33
^ I try to abstain from retaliatory voting, it's considered abuse (manipulation) on most platforms. Are these solo releases as good as the others in your opinion? If not then IMO you *should* rate them lower, *if* you want your ratings to be useful to other people.
Personally I haven't heard many solo releases by PF members other than RW and DG, but what I've heard does not come anywhere near the PF masterpieces.
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 17 2024 at 02:46
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ I try to abstain from retaliatory voting, it's considered abuse (manipulation) on most platforms. Are these solo releases as good as the others in your opinion? If not then IMO you *should* rate them lower, *if* you want your ratings to be useful to other people.
Personally I haven't heard many solo releases by PF members other than RW and DG, but what I've heard does not come anywhere near the PF masterpieces.
It's hardly retaliatory voting, bearing in mind I rated all of David Gilmour's albums about four years ago.
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: May 17 2024 at 02:50
For me, both 'On An Island' & 'Rattle That Lock' are fairly solid yet mellow 3 star offerings, which I enjoy giving an occasional spin. I'll certainly give his new one a listen when it comes out, but I'm in two minds about buying it.
Personally, I prefer his output to Waters' but am quite aware this isn't everyone's opinion..
------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 17 2024 at 03:02
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ I try to abstain from retaliatory voting, it's considered abuse (manipulation) on most platforms. Are these solo releases as good as the others in your opinion? If not then IMO you *should* rate them lower, *if* you want your ratings to be useful to other people.
Personally I haven't heard many solo releases by PF members other than RW and DG, but what I've heard does not come anywhere near the PF masterpieces.
It's hardly retaliatory voting, bearing in mind I rated all of David Gilmour's albums about four years ago.
Maybe you had the same idea in mind back then? To rate them a little higher than you would if everyone else rated them "properly"?
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: May 17 2024 at 05:32
Better to just ignore Psychos ratings, they're meaningless.
------------- Ian
Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 17 2024 at 08:06
^ Yeah, just ignore them. Everyone else does.
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 17 2024 at 08:08
^ I'm not ignoring them, I'm just taking them with a truckload of salt.
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: May 17 2024 at 08:25
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ I'm not ignoring them, I'm just taking them with a truckload of salt.
Whenever I feel the urge to read something sensational, I take a look thru some of Paul's album ratings.
I think my favourite run of his remains VDGG: Least We Can Do 5/5, H to He 5/5, Pawn Hearts 2/5
------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: May 17 2024 at 08:52
I've listened to the official video of "The Piper's Call" from Gilmour's new album. Not bad for new music from a 78 year-old. Actually quite good. Nice chunky lead as an outro. Nice build throughout the composition. Far better than that miserable and embarrassing remake of DSotM by Waters.
------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology...
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: May 18 2024 at 07:47
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
Better to just ignore Psychos ratings, they're meaningless.
Actually i don't believe anyone has listened to all the albums they rate when they make ridiculously long lists especially when the ratings show no tangible indication that the listener has a clue of the quality contained within. That's why i only post reviews with ratings to prove that my rating is based on deep dive research and a passion for understanding where the music is coming from. I've seen lists on RYM of over 140,000 ratings. I think some people just like to push on stars. Reminds them of grade school :D
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 18 2024 at 08:08
Jared wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ I'm not ignoring them, I'm just taking them with a truckload of salt.
Whenever I feel the urge to read something sensational, I take a look thru some of Paul's album ratings.
I think my favourite run of his remains VDGG: Least We Can Do 5/5, H to He 5/5, Pawn Hearts 2/5
The least I could do was buy both of the VDGG albums I rated 5 stars, but I wouldn't listen to Pawn Hearts again even if it was given away for free.
The same goes for David Gilmour too - I've bought all of his 5-star albums so far, which makes six in total.
Posted By: altered_beast
Date Posted: May 29 2024 at 19:33
On an Island was my the album my wife gave me when we were dating. And I couldn’t have married better. Anyway I loved the album from the first listen. It was like Obscured by Clouds part 2. Yes the weakest Pink Floyd album of the 70’s but a personal favorite nevertheless. The style and sound took a right back to the early 70’s pre-Dark Side era. I think of it much the same way as I think of Soft Rock albums with Prog in it such as Time Passages, One-Eighty, Turn of a Friendly Card, Year of the Cat, Eye in the Sky, etc.
When Rattle that Lock was announced I had the deluxe version on pre-order. Disappointed when it came out. Never really grew on me either. I find it catchy and likable but I don’t love the album.
Wasn’t impressed by any of the lockdown material. Gilmours voice was declining fast on Rattle that Lock and at this point is difficult for me to listen to. The new single released under the name Pink Floyd was a complete disaster and a joke. An insult to fans might be stretching it but I found it disgusting. To use the name Pink Floyd for it was embarrassing.
I’m tired of the Gilmour and Waters feud. All the politics and bull 💩 and Polly Sampson goodness gracious. When are they going to stop acting like idiots and stop treating the fans like garbage. Really I was fed up with it decades ago. Now it looks like this will continue until one of them dies of a heart attack.
The first couple albums by Gilmour I always felt were below average although the debut has its stronger moments. I really hope the new release is good and not another slap in the face to fans like the fake Pink Floyd release.
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: May 29 2024 at 21:38
The Dark Elf wrote:
I've listened to the official video of "The Piper's Call" from Gilmour's new album. Not bad for new music from a 78 year-old. Actually quite good. Nice chunky lead as an outro. Nice build throughout the composition. Far better than that miserable and embarrassing remake of DSotM by Waters.
I agree......I think the song is pretty good. Don't get the hate for Gilmour as a solo artist, what he has released is pretty good to very good, nothing masterful but I am sure he does not care about that at this point.
Just glad one of the greatest rock/prog guitarist is still making music.
What's a Waters??
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 30 2024 at 00:46
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Jared wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ I'm not ignoring them, I'm just taking them with a truckload of salt.
Whenever I feel the urge to read something sensational, I take a look thru some of Paul's album ratings.
I think my favourite run of his remains VDGG: Least We Can Do 5/5, H to He 5/5, Pawn Hearts 2/5
The least I could do was buy both of the VDGG albums I rated 5 stars, but I wouldn't listen to Pawn Hearts again even if it was given away for free.
The same goes for David Gilmour too - I've bought all of his 5-star albums so far, which makes six in total.
I think it is this tendency to inflate the ratings of artists you really like which makes it difficult for you to do polls like this one. https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/pink-floyd-and-related" rel="nofollow - https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/pink-floyd-and-related
You're welcome to create an account and try to rate all the releases into tiers. Or do it on paper if you must, but it's a good exercise to practice your skill to remain objective. In software development (my profession of choice) we do that all the time in a procedure called "magic estimation", where instead of coming up with a forecast of how long a task is going to take to implement, we just compare all the tasks to one another and rank them from "small" to "big".
Tiering releases follows the same principle. Easiest to start from the top - put your absolute favorite releases of all time in the S tier, then all the others that you really love in the A tier, then the remaining great releases in the B tier and so on.
If 90% of the releases you like end up in the S tier, then you might have an emotional problem, maybe a reluctance to say anything negative about your favorite artists.
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 30 2024 at 00:51
Catcher10 wrote:
The Dark Elf wrote:
I've listened to the official video of "The Piper's Call" from Gilmour's new album. Not bad for new music from a 78 year-old. Actually quite good. Nice chunky lead as an outro. Nice build throughout the composition. Far better than that miserable and embarrassing remake of DSotM by Waters.
I agree......I think the song is pretty good. Don't get the hate for Gilmour as a solo artist, what he has released is pretty good to very good, nothing masterful but I am sure he does not care about that at this point.
Just glad one of the greatest rock/prog guitarist is still making music.
What's a Waters??
I don't particularly like Gilmour as a person, based on the things he's been saying over the years. But that has little to do with the music. There are artists which I dislike more but I still appreciate the great music they've released. I just think that his solo releases are average, with some bright moments (reminding of Pink Floyd in style), but they pale in comparison to most PF releases. As do RW's solo albums, but I prefer them over DG because they are more focused and daring, as compared to the meandering non-relevance of DGs esoteric musings.
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: May 31 2024 at 07:30
siLLy puPPy wrote:
...
Actually i don't believe anyone has listened to all the albums they rate when they make ridiculously long lists especially when the ratings show no tangible indication that the listener has a clue of the quality contained within. That's why i only post reviews with ratings to prove that my rating is based on deep dive research and a passion for understanding where the music is coming from. I've seen lists on RYM of over 140,000 ratings. I think some people just like to push on stars. Reminds them of grade school :D
...
Hi,
I'll second this. I also only do reviews of albums that drive my imagination to smithereens ... but it bothers me to see ratings based on incomplete listening ... and at least one list ... it's a physical impossibility to listen to all that stuff in full ... and then write a small blurb on it ... seems to me that if a full listen was done, the likelihood was that there would be more to say.
Weed out the "raters" ... and the fake numbers!
I'm not impressed with DG's effort ... it sounds like a rehash, and not anything new ... and it still holds the idea that lyrics are important, and he has to say something!
There is far better materials out there in the progressive listings ... far better!
------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 31 2024 at 09:56
^ Are you referring to me? I favor blurbs. I usually write them immediately after having listened to a release (in full). They are short but concise.
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: May 31 2024 at 18:36
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ Are you referring to me? I favor blurbs. I usually write them immediately after having listened to a release (in full). They are short but concise.
Hi,
Not intended to be about anyone in specific ... it only bothers me, at times, when it seems like the totality of it all does not seem to be quite clear. Your numbers, and comments are consistent enough for me to say anything without showing it as incorrect or out of line. Your comments are fine, though I think that you listen a bit too much to "rock" and not enough to the rest of the materials to appreciate them better ... but I think it will come in time for you ... and this happens to me a lot, and has been the major learning about music for 50 years ... what turns you on at 20 is not the same at 30, or 40, or 50.
As an example, I do not dislike PF at all, and sometimes hearing their early 70's material is a treat, but in general, it does not exactly inspire me to much of anything anymore. PF lost it for me, when Rick passed away ... the older I get the more I can see his incredible addition to the band, and how it was hurt in the 80's, but he still produced.
It's my perception.
------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 31 2024 at 22:58
^ Try not to assume too much - you don‘t know the totality of what I‘ve listened to (and played) over the years. And it has been 40 years … quite the journey. PF was among the first prog bands I discovered, so they will always be special to me. But I‘ve also really been into Avant, Jazz and Experimental stuff.