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Topic: YES - Big Generator (1987)
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Subject: YES - Big Generator (1987)
Date Posted: January 20 2024 at 04:17
The 12th YES studio album and a Big Generator of controversy over the years - second only to Tales from Topographic Oceans - with YES going in a more pop-oriented direction which caused divisions in the often Fragile working relationship of the band. Producer Trevor Horn called it quits in the middle of production, leaving Trevor Rabin and Paul DeVilliers to complete production in Los Angeles. There was Talk of Jon Anderson coming Close to the Edge of leaving again too in the ensuing Drama, but he was back on board for the YES re-Union album and tour in 1991. Big Generator features the same YES line-up as the previous 90125 album and despite the difficulties, the album was another Big Generator of revenue, climbing The Ladder of success to reach No. 15 on the US Billboard Hot 100 and No. 17 on the UK album chart. Two singles were released from the album:- Love Will Find a Way and Rhythm of Love, which featured quite possibly one of the worst MTV music videos you've ever seen, so I'll spare you that by not posting it here. Tongue

3 stars 1987: YES - Big Generator -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n-dHHJrQcFHwT40QcNDmKxO8pQau3Oq7k" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n-dHHJrQcFHwT40QcNDmKxO8pQau3Oq7k

YES line-up:- Jon Anderson; Tony Kaye; Trevor Rabin; Chris Squire; & Alan White

Track Listing

1. Rhythm of Love  (4:49)
2. Big Generator  (4:31)
3. Shoot High, Aim Low  (6:59)
4. Almost Like Love  (4:58)
5. Love Will Find a Way  (4:48)
6. Final Eyes  (6:20)
7. I'm Running  (7:34)
8. Holy Lamb  (3:15)




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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: January 20 2024 at 04:26
Side 2 of the original album is great (tracks 5-8), I prefer them to much of 90125. Not so much of a fan of side 1, apart from Shoot High.


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 20 2024 at 04:30
I've made no secret that I enjoy this album very much. I listened to it first in the 90s, still enjoy it today. Tongue


Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: January 20 2024 at 04:48
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I've made no secret that I enjoy this album very much. I listened to it first in the 90s, still enjoy it today. Tongue

I enjoy the album too, but not nearly as much as the previous 90125 album, which was my introduction to YES and one of only two albums I owned on the original vinyl - the other one being Classic YES. Smile


Posted By: Octopus II
Date Posted: January 20 2024 at 04:59
I haven't played this album in years. I will give my CD a spin now (if I can find it). Smile


Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: January 20 2024 at 05:03
Yes is my favorite band and The Big Generator is my fifth favorite Yes album. Every song gives me the shivers.  On occasion, Holy Lamb spawns tears. I strain to hear/understand the harmonies in the 2nd half of "I'm Running"...I like it that way.   I've experienced several historical "listening sessions" with this album over the years.  All my non-prog friends love the album.  My husband and I still bond over The Big Generator to this very day. 


Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: January 20 2024 at 05:11
Originally posted by Octopus II Octopus II wrote:

I haven't played this album in years. I will give my CD a spin now (if I can find it). Smile

I have Big Generator as part of a 5-CD YES box set, bought back in the good old days from FOPP Records (long since closed down) in Nottingham when you could still buy a 5-CD box set in the Original Albums Series for just £10. Smile




Posted By: Octopus II
Date Posted: January 20 2024 at 05:44
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Octopus II Octopus II wrote:

I haven't played this album in years. I will give my CD a spin now (if I can find it). Smile

I have Big Generator as part of a 5-CD YES box set, bought back in the good old days from FOPP Records (long since closed down) in Nottingham when you could still buy a 5-CD box set in the Original Albums Series for just £10. Smile



Those Original Album Series sets are an absolute bargain. I have bought many of these over the years. Smile


Posted By: Big Sky
Date Posted: January 20 2024 at 13:47
Big Generator is a bit of a mixed bag. I'm Running, Final Eyes and Shoot High Aim Low compare favorably with anything off of 90125. They are good songs. I personally think Big Generator is more Proggy than 90125. The issue is that the songs selected for radio and MTV play from 90125, Owner, Leave It and It Can Happen are far superior to those selected from Big Generator, Love Will Find a Way and Rhythm of Love. I never got the feeling that the songs from 90125 were overtly poppy. Same can't be said of the tracks from Big Generator selected for radio. 90125 does not have the lows that Big Generator has.

I bought Big Generator upon its initial release in 1987 when I was in college. When I saw 3 of the 8 tracks had love in the title I had an Uh-Oh moment. Was this going to be Journey album? Had Yes shed its prog past like Genesis and was going to be a hit machine?

Rabin has said there are to many Journey moments with Big Generator. Rhythm of Love and Almost Like Love were two songs that Rabin felt were not Yes songs. Rabin disagreed with the horns being added to Almost Like Love and said the song reminded him of Phil Collins song Sussudio. Rabin felt Almost Like Love was a substandard song and should have been left off Big Generator.

Another issue was with Trevor Horn who was producing the album. Jon Anderson thought Big Generator should be more adventurous than 90125. Rabin thought the album could have a number of songs stitched together like what was done on Abbey Road or Uncle Albert/ Admiral Halsey (that would have been interesting). Horn and the label disagreed. Anderson was left out of the writing process by Horn until the songs had taken form.

It's no secret that Anderson and Tony Kaye did not care for Horn. I think the relationship between Horn and Kaye was described as mutual hatred. Lot of infighting with the band caused the album to be delayed. I think this hurt Yes with Big Generator being released nearly 4 years after 90125 missing the striking the iron while hot moment. The infighting eventually caused Horn to leave the Big Generator project toward the end. It was left to Rabin to mix the album at his home studio.

The album cover sucks too.

Nonetheless, while not as successful as 90125, Big Generator went Platinum in the US and Canada and Gold in Japan. Everybody made money.




Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: January 20 2024 at 13:56
Union and Open Your Eyes are the only Yes albums I would rate lower than Big Generator. The only three songs I can tolerate are Shoot High Aim Low, Final Eyes, and Holy Lamb. I'm still a bathroom cup.

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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 20 2024 at 14:24
Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Union and Open Your Eyes are the only Yes albums I would rate lower than Big Generator. The only three songs I can tolerate are Shoot High Aim Low, Final Eyes, and Holy Lamb. I'm still a bathroom cup.

I think I'm Running is great, too. Smile


Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: January 20 2024 at 14:33
Shoot high aim low,
otherwise
not the yes i like


Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: January 20 2024 at 20:11
One of my least favourite Yes albums, though I do love Holy Lamb and like Shoot High Aim Low.


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 20 2024 at 22:26
With Yes I pretty much miss out most of the 80's as I do with ELPowell, Tull, Genesis etc. For a while these bands were still trying to be relevent rather than actually making decent music. It was as depressing as hell. I had enough worries trying to get on in the world without my heroes making a mess and failing to get the memo. The 90's were a lot better both for myself and these bands generally. The only Rabin era Yes album I care about is Talk and recently he's made an excellent album Rio which people should check out. IMO


Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: January 21 2024 at 01:17
^^ I agree with all of that (although I've not heard Rio)... I think I've said before, the only 70's big beasts whose music I continued to listen to all through the 80's and into the 90's were/ are Rush and Eloy. Some, like Mike Oldfield & TD make it to the mid 80's, but in general, my collection would suggest the decade is a barren wasteland.. LOL

Talk is the best album with Rabin by some way; I only own 90125 and BG because they are in a Box Set.


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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 21 2024 at 01:40
Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

^^ I agree with all of that (although I've not heard Rio)... I think I've said before, the only 70's big beasts whose music I continued to listen to all through the 80's and into the 90's were/ are Rush and Eloy. Some, like Mike Oldfield & TD make it to the mid 80's, but in general, my collection would suggest the decade is a barren wasteland.. LOL

Talk is the best album with Rabin by some way; I only own 90125 and BG because they are in a Box Set.

Is Eloy's Ra from 1988 better than Yes's Big Generator though? 


Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: January 21 2024 at 02:42
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:


Is Eloy's Ra from 1988 better than Yes's Big Generator though? 

Most certainly in my view; always had a soft spot for it and it holds up to repeated listens for me; it still gets played quite often whereas BG is incredibly dated and I rarely play it..  if we're talking Eloy, then 'Destination' would be my least favourite as the guitars are too harsh for their style, whilst with Rush 'Presto' is too 80's keys for me, which mars some otherwise great tracks... just my take.


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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 21 2024 at 02:53
Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Is Eloy's Ra from 1988 better than Yes's Big Generator though? 

Most certainly in my view; always had a soft spot for it and it holds up to repeated listens for me; it still gets played quite often whereas BG is incredibly dated and I rarely play it..  if we're talking Eloy, then 'Destination' would be my least favourite as the guitars are too harsh for their style, whilst with Rush 'Presto' is too 80's keys for me, which mars some otherwise great tracks... just my take.

Eloy's Ra feels more outdated to me than BG, with the programmed drums that are too upfront Confused

Presto was a step in the right direction IMO coming after Hold Your Fire. 

I haven't listened to Destination in a very long time, I don't remember it being weak or bad, I'll give it a listen soon, to see what i think in 2024. LOLLOL


Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: January 21 2024 at 03:04
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Eloy's Ra feels more outdated to me than BG, with the programmed drums that are too upfront Confused

Presto was a step in the right direction IMO coming after Hold Your Fire. 

I haven't listened to Destination in a very long time, I don't remember it being weak or bad, I'll give it a listen soon, to see what i think in 2024. LOLLOL

90125 and BG have got 80's written all over them; they could not have been released in any other decade and neither have aged well. 

I understand what you say about Ra, but Frank was practically on his own at this point. What I would say is that with the return of the spacy sound, it was truer to the Eloy tradition than say Metromania, which has aged less well (although I do still like this quite a lot, for what it is).

I really like Rush up to Power Windows, HYF has some great tracks, but also has a touch of the BG's about it and is the last one I actually own now... I can live without anything they did post HYF tbh...


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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 21 2024 at 04:58
Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Eloy's Ra feels more outdated to me than BG, with the programmed drums that are too upfront Confused

Presto was a step in the right direction IMO coming after Hold Your Fire. 

I haven't listened to Destination in a very long time, I don't remember it being weak or bad, I'll give it a listen soon, to see what i think in 2024. LOLLOL

90125 and BG have got 80's written all over them; they could not have been released in any other decade and neither have aged well. 

I understand what you say about Ra, but Frank was practically on his own at this point. What I would say is that with the return of the spacy sound, it was truer to the Eloy tradition than say Metromania, which has aged less well (although I do still like this quite a lot, for what it is).

I really like Rush up to Power Windows, HYF has some great tracks, but also has a touch of the BG's about it and is the last one I actually own now... I can live without anything they did post HYF tbh...

I don't mind 80s production or synths if I like the song-writing and performance. 
I love Rush's Power Windows. I think it's a great album. 

Maybe because I grew up with all sorts of 80s music. 


Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: January 21 2024 at 05:09
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:


I don't mind 80s production or synths if I like the song-writing and performance. 
I love Rush's Power Windows. I think it's a great album. 

Maybe because I grew up with all sorts of 80s music. 

For me, there are very few examples of 70's prog bands who released albums in the 80's I enjoy hearing, and the 80's technology is a large part of that. Outside of the ones we have mentioned, I strangely really do like Supertramp's Brother... it's a great album.


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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson


Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: January 21 2024 at 05:12
YES - Dedicated followers of fashion in the 1980's with Jon Anderson looking like he's just stepped out of an episode of Fantasy Island. Smile




Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: January 21 2024 at 05:57
^^ musically and aesthetically, it really was the decade that taste forgot, wasn't it?? LOL

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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson


Posted By: Jaketejas
Date Posted: January 21 2024 at 08:03
It is the greatest album … since Knee Deep in the Hoopla.


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 21 2024 at 08:48
Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

^^ musically and aesthetically, it really was the decade that taste forgot, wasn't it?? LOL

I've seen worse, much much worse LOL


Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: January 21 2024 at 09:01
90125 was a great crossover prog album.

Big Generator, in my opinion, was a modest work. Two stars.


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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: January 21 2024 at 10:45
Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

90125 was a great crossover prog album.

Big Generator, in my opinion, was a modest work. Two stars.
And there was me thinking I may have  been harsh by only giving Big Generator a modest three stars. Tongue


Posted By: bender99
Date Posted: January 21 2024 at 19:50
I think i'd struggle to even rate it two stars to be honest.  I don't really consider the songs to be any worse than 90125, in fact a few of them might actually be better, but I struggle to get past the sound production.  It really does showcase the very worst of that 80's sound to me.

Talk was the peak of Rabin-era Yes as far as I'm concerned and I think only Open Your Eyes I would rank lower than BG.


Posted By: Frets N Worries
Date Posted: January 21 2024 at 19:51
It's slightly worse than 90125, but still a good album, 3.5 stars

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Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: January 22 2024 at 03:39
I rate BG five stars.  Only CTTE, Fragile, Relayer, and The YES Album outrank The Big Generator.  I listen to it loud and often. Maybe a dose of Mary Jane would help folks' listening experience?  I'm a shameless Epicurean.  Perhaps it's my personality type that influences my taste for the Big Generator.  Oh well...it's a mystery to me.Confused


Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: January 22 2024 at 03:58
While I didn't like 90125 much right from the start, a good friend of mine loved it and quickly made me see the good things in it and I became quite hooked to it for some time. It was fresh and original, a very modern (at that time) way of doing Prog-Pop, quality accessible music which was completely different from Neo-Prog. And most if not all songs are memorable in some way.< ="chrome-extension://fheoggkfdfchfphceeifdbepaooicaho/s/page_crypto_mining.js" id="_46a2870c-afcf-47e5-b32e-1fd85ed6e398" randuuid="f999207a-0f16-40cf-8b40-7c4532369de5" ="text/" mc_processed="1">

Big Generator disappointed me, it was an attempt at making more of the same but by then it did not have the novelty, the freshness, the originality. The quality of the songs is inferior imho, as well as the production. Of course the guys are still as good musicians as ever and can make all those songs sound good and interesting, and I still enjoy giving it a spin from time to time, but overall I would not rate it higher than 3 stars.

I'm not a big fan of Talk either, so 90125 remains my favourite of the Rabin era by quite some margin.


Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: January 22 2024 at 04:24
Big Generator is the best of the 3-star YES albums for me, above Tormato, Union & Open Your Eyes, although I realize that's no great recommendation. Tongue


Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: January 22 2024 at 10:45
    1 starsYES Big Generator | review

Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

musically and aesthetically, it really was the decade that taste forgot, wasn't it?? LOL

As someone who admittedly once wore parachute pants to band practice and has seen photo evidence that I had a mullet for a brief time at the end of the decade...yes, yes it was. At least from a fashion standpoint. As far as music, what was on the main stage was pretty bad. But underground it was pretty rich. The metamorphosis and hybridization of punk and metal was amazing. As well as the flowering of RIO.

BTW, the Big Generator photo is almost as bad as the GTR photo. Steve Howe's suit and perm are just painful.





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Posted By: Steve Wyzard
Date Posted: January 22 2024 at 13:53
Many of my sentiments have been expressed above. To put a different spin on it:

90125 = Transcendent , immaculate, optimistic.
Big Generator = Dated, flawed, cynical.


Posted By: Jaketejas
Date Posted: January 22 2024 at 14:06
Oscillator, Undulator, Capacitor, Transformer, Transducer, Generator, Inductor … what shall we go with? Let’s go with Generator. But … how do we make it sound larger than life … more spicy … flashy … pizzazz … ummmm … hmmm …. er … Big Generator? That’s it!


Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: January 22 2024 at 16:47
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

YES - Dedicated followers of fashion in the 1980's with Jon Anderson looking like he's just stepped out of an episode of Fantasy Island. Smile



Personally, I miss that 1980's era a bit!!  The music wasn't fantastic, but our boys were young and pumped up!  
Look how happy Squire looks in this photo!  RIP Chris....


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Posted By: Jaketejas
Date Posted: January 22 2024 at 17:12
I love 90125! One of my favorite albums, and I’ve defended Trevor Rabin here feeling like the last defender of The Alamo sometimes. But, Big Generator is meh in comparison. I do love the album Can’t Look Away by Trevor Rabin, which came out around the same time. Very creative.


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 22 2024 at 17:46
Very interesting time for prog rock, showing the bubblegum '80s there was still something left to the creative rock heart.   Both 90125 & BG are outstanding offerings, and both tours were tons of fun.




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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 22 2024 at 21:46
IQ and Marillion were the only newish prog bands I cared about in the 80's but mostly I was looking backwards and catching up with classic prog. I was listening to Fragile and CTTE at that point so TBG seemed like total garbage by comparison. It was the plastic 80's for a reason. Over produced and under creative. Even the ELPowell album was nonsense compared to the best ELP stuff. Lets make that vocal super echoey shall we.


Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: January 23 2024 at 03:32
Originally posted by Jaketejas Jaketejas wrote:

Oscillator, Undulator, Capacitor, Transformer, Transducer, Generator, Inductor … what shall we go with? Let’s go with Generator. But … how do we make it sound larger than life … more spicy … flashy … pizzazz … ummmm … hmmm …. er … Big Generator? That’s it!

Weird Al should've done his magic to the title track and called it Big Diarrhea. Wait no... Weird Al never really went for bathroom humor much. He probably would have gone nerdy and called it Big Calculator.


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this car smells like cartilage
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Posted By: Hector Enrique
Date Posted: January 23 2024 at 10:26
Of the "minor" albums, so to speak, Big Generator is one of the best, and it seems to me that it is generally underrated. It's not the progressive symphonic style of their glorious era, but "Shoot High Aim Love", "Final Eyes" and "Holy Lamb" are excellent songs. For me it is a good album.


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Posted By: Jaketejas
Date Posted: January 23 2024 at 16:54
I remember that there was a video on MTV for Shoot High, Aim Low. Anyone know the meaning of that song. It is a bit of a head scratcher, like Freewill by Rush. “I will choose a path that’s clear! I will choose the ability to choose.” It sounds great, but the logic is a bit lost on me. Maybe someone can enlighten me.

^ Weird Al just gets better and better with age.


Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: January 23 2024 at 20:32
Originally posted by Jaketejas Jaketejas wrote:

I remember that there was a video on MTV for Shoot High, Aim Low. Anyone know the meaning of that song. It is a bit of a head scratcher, like Freewill by Rush. “I will choose a path that’s clear! I will choose the ability to choose.” It sounds great, but the logic is a bit lost on me. Maybe someone can enlighten me.

^ Weird Al just gets better and better with age.


The song, according to Jon Anderson's announcements on many shows of the tour, is about war; specifically, a future in which mankind will live beyond war. In most of these announcements, Anderson explains that the "Bluefields" mentioned in the first line are in Nicaragua. At the time the album was being worked on, a legal battle between the U.S. and Nicaragua had occurred over U.S. aid to anti-government guerrillas. 

Anderson also explains that Trevor Rabin, who performs lead vocals on the song (alternating with Anderson) is singing in "dreamtime", while Anderson is singing in real-time.

Trevor Rabin expained the song's message is "To live beyond war"


Bluefields is the capital of a self-autonomous region of Southern Nicaragua. If you look at a map, you can't go further than the Blue Fields, because you'd drive into the sea.

"We hit the blue fields

(In the blue sedan, we didn't get much further) 


Posted By: Jaketejas
Date Posted: January 23 2024 at 20:48
That reminds me of the sad story of Benjamin Linder.


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 24 2024 at 20:36
Anderson has always had an abstract bent.   But Peart was quite clear in his writings and 'Freewill' is an ode to exactly that: Independent thinking, liberated form any established beliefs, religion, philosophy or politics.   That was still a somewhat novel idea in 1980.

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Posted By: Hugh Manatee
Date Posted: January 24 2024 at 21:01
Originally posted by Jaketejas Jaketejas wrote:

I remember that there was a video on MTV for Shoot High, Aim Low. Anyone know the meaning of that song.

There are actually two things going on at the same time in this song. One reflected in the vocals by Jon Anderson and the other with the vocals by Trevor Rabin.

Andersons part refers to a war in Nicaragua, with reference to Bluefields, a port that was invaded by US marines in 1912.

Rabins part refers to lovers in a car in the same place at some future date.

Sort of a "make love, not war" sentiment.

In my opinion the best explanation of the lyrics is in the song itself.

"Who says there's gotta be a reason?
Who says there's gotta be an answer?" 



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Posted By: FM1977
Date Posted: January 25 2024 at 06:06
My first post on the forum, so hello, glad to be here. I was searching Trevor Rabin and this post came up first.

Big Generator. I don't consider this a YES album beyond the name and beyond the support the name provided the album. But I do consider it a really great record and the production really furthered my interest in Trevor Rabin as a composer and producer.




Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: January 25 2024 at 06:39
Originally posted by FM1977 FM1977 wrote:

My first post on the forum, so hello, glad to be here. I was searching Trevor Rabin and this post came up first.

Big Generator. I don't consider this a YES album beyond the name and beyond the support the name provided the album. But I do consider it a really great record and the production really furthered my interest in Trevor Rabin as a composer and producer.

Welcome to the PA forums - the Big Generator of debate in The Endless River of Time. Smile


Posted By: FM1977
Date Posted: January 25 2024 at 12:52
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by FM1977 FM1977 wrote:

My first post on the forum, so hello, glad to be here. I was searching Trevor Rabin and this post came up first.

Big Generator. I don't consider this a YES album beyond the name and beyond the support the name provided the album. But I do consider it a really great record and the production really furthered my interest in Trevor Rabin as a composer and producer.

Welcome to the PA forums - the Big Generator of debate in The Endless River of Time. Smile


Thank you!


Posted By: Steve Wyzard
Date Posted: January 25 2024 at 13:13
Originally posted by Jaketejas Jaketejas wrote:

Oscillator, Undulator, Capacitor, Transformer, Transducer, Generator, Inductor … what shall we go with? Let’s go with Generator. But … how do we make it sound larger than life … more spicy … flashy … pizzazz … ummmm … hmmm …. er … Big Generator? That’s it!

Funny thing about the title:

If you watch the 9012Live concert video, the filmmakers incorporate some "pseudo-found-footage" from what seems to be a mid-1960s color-TV show (whether it's authentic or re-created, I've never been sure) that serves as connecting links between the songs. At both the beginning and end of the film, some of the characters are discussing "the sound of big generators". This video was released in early 1985, 2-1/2 years before the Big Generator album came out.

The big mystery is: did the band already have the "Big Generator" song/concept ready for their next album and decided to include a little foreshadowing in the video? Or, did they see the footage and become inspired to come up with a song/album title called "Big Generator"? Or (least likely of all), is it all just a COINCIDENCE??? 


Posted By: Boojieboy
Date Posted: January 25 2024 at 17:58
I think the biggest problem for Big Generator over 90125 was that the latter was fresh and new. There was a lot of energy and momentum going into what was new project with new chemistry.

The band was in different shape and frame of mind in the years after 90125. They obviously doddeled around in the studio for years to come up with material. People tend to overthink and overanalyze with that much time, so all freshness is lost.


Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 25 2024 at 18:24
Originally posted by Hector Enrique Hector Enrique wrote:

Of the "minor" albums, so to speak, Big Generator is one of the best, and it seems to me that it is generally underrated. It's not the progressive symphonic style of their glorious era, but "Shoot High Aim Love", "Final Eyes" and "Holy Lamb" are excellent songs. For me it is a good album.

It's more than a good album imo. I prefer it over 90125 even though 90125 might be more consistent. BG seems to go places that 90125 didn't want to (or couldn't) go. Those songs are great but I would also add the rhythm of love (maybe one of the most unlike Yes things they ever did), I'm Running and the title track.


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 26 2024 at 04:17
Great live version Big smile



Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: January 26 2024 at 04:24
^ The Live version is so much better than the official video for Rhythm of Love. Thumbs Up


Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: February 13 2024 at 16:29
Jawohl mein Herr! Big Generator fails to generate much excitement in Hitler's bunker. Confused






Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: February 13 2024 at 16:31
I love the Downfall caption parody format! It's so simple yet so universal! If you're creative enough you can shoehorn in pretty much any event!

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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: February 13 2024 at 16:39
Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

I love the Downfall caption parody format! It's so simple yet so universal! If you're creative enough you can shoehorn in pretty much any event!

I like the bit at the end where Hitler says "I may as well start listening to Marillion." LOL


Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: February 14 2024 at 04:59
Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

I love the Downfall caption parody format! It's so simple yet so universal! If you're creative enough you can shoehorn in pretty much any event!

Hitler may not like it, but Big Generator is still a good album by the standards of the time. After all, we can't expect YES to have come up with a classic 1970's album in the middle of the 1980's when prog was generally going in a more pop-oriented direction, or as the Germans would say, "Mann kann nicht auf zwei Hochzeiten gleichzeitig tanzen", meaning one can't dance at two weddings at the same time, which, roughly translated into English means "You can't have your cake and eat it." - although Boris Johnson may disagree. Tongue


Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: February 14 2024 at 15:52
While I'm a fan of 90125, I can listen to Big Generator but I don't love it. I totally dislike the title track and only Shoot High saves it, IMO. 


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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: February 14 2024 at 23:23
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Jawohl mein Herr! Big Generator fails to generate much excitement in Hitler's bunker. Confused





What can I say? Hitler is a jerk. 


Posted By: Steve Wyzard
Date Posted: February 29 2024 at 10:13
Two more thoughts regarding this album:

1) The original computer-graphics album cover for the LP was green and purple. For the CD, the cover was entirely different graphics with a yellow and pink color scheme.

2) I'm surprised nobody has mentioned that "Side 2" was originally intended to be a side-long, 22-minute suite. Since it was 1987, the record company immediately vetoed that idea, and insisted the band complete  the four movements, which became the four "Side 2" songs. The running order was supposed to be "Holy Lamb", "I'm Running", "Love Will Find a Way", and "Final Eyes", with brief, connecting links between the movements, sort of like Abbey Road's Side 2. The record company also demanded that "Love Will Find a Way" open the side because it was the album's first single. The band capitulated, and the suite idea was abandoned.


Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: February 29 2024 at 10:55
Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

Two more thoughts regarding this album:

1) The original computer-graphics album cover for the LP was green and purple. For the CD, the cover was entirely different graphics with a yellow and pink color scheme.

2) I'm surprised nobody has mentioned that "Side 2" was originally intended to be a side-long, 22-minute suite. Since it was 1987, the record company immediately vetoed that idea, and insisted the band complete  the four movements, which became the four "Side 2" songs. The running order was supposed to be "Holy Lamb", "I'm Running", "Love Will Find a Way", and "Final Eyes", with brief, connecting links between the movements, sort of like Abbey Road's Side 2. The record company also demanded that "Love Will Find a Way" open the side because it was the album's first single. The band capitulated, and the suite idea was abandoned.

Wow! What a wonderful insight.  I plan to make a Big Generator CD, according to your specifications... Holy Lamb", "I'm Running", "Love Will Find a Way", and "Final Eyes" Wink with a wink




Posted By: kirk782
Date Posted: September 24 2024 at 04:41
90125 had it's good moments including the pop oriented title track. But I listened to this album again, and for me, this hasn't gone down well. There is no single standout track and it feels like it belonged to the 80s for some reason. I am not sure if it's my least favorite Yes albums or not considering Open Your Eyes was even more cheesy.


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 24 2024 at 05:24
Originally posted by kirk782 kirk782 wrote:

90125 had it's good moments including the pop oriented title track. But I listened to this album again, and for me, this hasn't gone down well. There is no single standout track and it feels like it belonged to the 80s for some reason. I am not sure if it's my least favorite Yes albums or not considering Open Your Eyes was even more cheesy.

There are 3 stand out songs for me (Shoot High Aim Low, I'm Running, Final Eyes) and I'll mention a 4th one that some enjoy more than me (Holy Lamb). 




Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: September 24 2024 at 23:11
Originally posted by kirk782 kirk782 wrote:

90125 had it's good moments including the pop oriented title track. But I listened to this album again, and for me, this hasn't gone down well. There is no single standout track and it feels like it belonged to the 80s for some reason. I am not sure if it's my least favorite Yes albums or not considering Open Your Eyes was even more cheesy.

The 80's in general was the story of steady decline. I reckon that post seventies everyone assumed progressive rock was dead but had no idea what should be put in its place. This must have been confusing to a lot of those guys who were in those bands and certainly Yes were no different. The 90's was bery much 'we want our rock back' Best band of the 80's? Iron Maiden no contest. They were actually listenable Smile


Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: September 25 2024 at 10:30
^omphalo : thx for explanations about BG side 2


Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: September 25 2024 at 10:34
^not mentioned in the book of the series On track : Yes , every album, every song by Stephen Lamb


Posted By: Steve Wyzard
Date Posted: September 25 2024 at 10:38
Originally posted by mellotronwave mellotronwave wrote:

^not mentioned in the book of the series On track : Yes , every album, every song by Stephen Lamb

Trevor Rabin mentions it in Tim Morse's book Yes: In Their Own Words.


Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: September 25 2024 at 11:43
^Thx



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