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Posted By: CosmicVibration
Subject: UFO / USO / UAP / ET’s / Alien’s
Date Posted: October 03 2023 at 11:21

Hopefully a fun, entertaining as well as enlightening thread.

Has anyone here seen a UAP or know of someone that did?  The stigma has all but dissipated so don’t be shy.  I for one have never witnessed a sighting or personally know of someone that did.  However, it’s a subject that I dove down deep into.

 

It’s apparent that sightings around the globe have increased exponentially.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/number-of-ufos-in-maryland-alone-is-astonishing-as-sightings-increase-significantly/ar-AA1hDk6Y?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=af2af04a4c9a4109b6dd62030c7c3c36&ei=9" rel="nofollow - Number of 'UFOs' in Maryland alone is astonishing as sightings increase 'significantly' (msn.com)

 

What I gather is that we are currently in an “open window contact” that will persist for approximately another 1-2 years.  Sightings will continue to increase until most of humanity will acclimate to the idea that we are not alone.  After that there will be “open door” contact which will last about a decade.  The first race to introduce themselves will have features similar to us; as to not freak out a lot of people. After that other extraterrestrial and alien races will present themselves; some of them very bizarre looking.

I guess we’ll find out in a couple of years; at least most of us.  I’ve always been open minded, but recently I was introduced to a concept that’s challenging to wrap my head around.  I’ll see how this thread progresses and maybe discuss it further; it has to do with the earth shifting through different parallel realities billions of times per second.

 

Here’s another interesting read..

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/retired-nasa-astronaut-alleges-extraterrestrials-prevented-the-world-from-falling-into-nuclear-war/ar-AA1ft0tm?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=af2af04a4c9a4109b6dd62030c7c3c36&ei=68" rel="nofollow - Retired NASA Astronaut Alleges Extraterrestrials Prevented the World From Falling Into Nuclear War (msn.com)

Let’s have some fun…




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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: October 03 2023 at 15:03
The only UAP I have seen was last year. I saw an airplane travelling west and climbing (there is an airport about 12 miles from where I live). This is around 4:00 p.m. There was another object travelling in the same direction, but was lower in the sky than the airplane and brighter. I could not discern any shape to the lower object because it was too bright. Then it simply disappeared. It was immediate, not a fade out of light. The airplane continued uninterrupted. Part of my mind thinks it was an optical illusion because of the angle of the sun, the other part of my mind isn't so sure and has no explanation for what I saw. 

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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: October 03 2023 at 17:01
I see an alien every time i look down my pants.


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: October 03 2023 at 18:23
Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

The only UAP I have seen was last year. I saw an airplane travelling west and climbing (there is an airport about 12 miles from where I live). This is around 4:00 p.m. There was another object travelling in the same direction, but was lower in the sky than the airplane and brighter. I could not discern any shape to the lower object because it was too bright. Then it simply disappeared. It was immediate, not a fade out of light. The airplane continued uninterrupted. Part of my mind thinks it was an optical illusion because of the angle of the sun, the other part of my mind isn't so sure and has no explanation for what I saw. 

I saw the same thing......OMG LOL Honestly, I have seen similar sights and have always figured it was some kind of optical illusion either from the sun or dark of night by the starlit moon...
I'm always looking up though Clap


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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 03 2023 at 18:25
They say smokers see a lot of UFOs because they're always outside late at night.  Much truth to that.



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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: October 03 2023 at 23:17
Nope. If Aliens are capable of intergalactic travel then making first contact with us would be like us trying to have a convsersation with an ant. I guess people hold onto to this notion because at the moment the future for the human race and this planet is looking very bleak unless various countries can learn to work together better (or at all). So we need rescuing right?


Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: October 04 2023 at 03:39
There is a forum member https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=131089" rel="nofollow - responsible for causing at least some sightings... I guess.


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Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: October 04 2023 at 04:54
No. I haven't.


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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: October 04 2023 at 04:56
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Nope. If Aliens are capable of intergalactic travel then making first contact with us would be like us trying to have a convsersation with an ant. I guess people hold onto to this notion because at the moment the future for the human race and this planet is looking very bleak unless various countries can learn to work together better (or at all). So we need rescuing right?

I'm with you on the "nope" bit, but if we were able to nail down the existence of ants on other planets, I think we'd be very happy about making conversation with them as far as we can get it and then some more. So this particular argument isn't very convincing. (Apart from the fact that I'd expect such Aliens to openly try to make contact rather than just occasionally show up in a way that nobody ultimately can be sure. Or to efficiently hide themselves, but not what the UFO observers see.)


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: October 04 2023 at 06:01
Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Nope. If Aliens are capable of intergalactic travel then making first contact with us would be like us trying to have a convsersation with an ant. I guess people hold onto to this notion because at the moment the future for the human race and this planet is looking very bleak unless various countries can learn to work together better (or at all). So we need rescuing right?

I'm with you on the "nope" bit, but if we were able to nail down the existence of ants on other planets, I think we'd be very happy about making conversation with them as far as we can get it and then some more. So this particular argument isn't very convincing. (Apart from the fact that I'd expect such Aliens to openly try to make contact rather than just occasionally show up in a way that nobody ultimately can be sure. Or to efficiently hide themselves, but not what the UFO observers see.)
Not sure we'd bother but perhaps 'Prime directive' and all that might stop us Wink also there are no convincing proven sightings of UFO (just anecdotal which doesn't count) so in my view they are hiding efficiently (if they are here and observing us) . 


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: October 04 2023 at 06:38
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Nope. If Aliens are capable of intergalactic travel then making first contact with us would be like us trying to have a conversation with an ant. I guess people hold onto to this notion because at the moment the future for the human race and this planet is looking very bleak unless various countries can learn to work together better (or at all). So we need rescuing right?

According to Hawking and others ... the real issue is the distances to get through. IF, the speed of LIGHT is the possible common factor, then the likelihood of anyone meeting us, or vice versa is more than likely totally improbable.

My take, however, is based on irreverent knowledge on my part ... that different solar systems will have different values for the "speed of light" measures we have ... and we have not YET taken into consideration that a system off a red star, or a different blue star, has different physics according to its system, which are different for their speed of light ... even though, we only seem to see one thing ... a bit of residue of what they have shown since some of it would likely appear on different wavelengths, which we see in red or blue scopes.


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Date Posted: October 04 2023 at 07:06
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Posted By: CosmicVibration
Date Posted: October 04 2023 at 07:29
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Nope. If Aliens are capable of intergalactic travel then making first contact with us would be like us trying to have a conversation with an ant. I guess people hold onto to this notion because at the moment the future for the human race and this planet is looking very bleak unless various countries can learn to work together better (or at all). So we need rescuing right?

According to Hawking and others ... the real issue is the distances to get through. IF, the speed of LIGHT is the possible common factor, then the likelihood of anyone meeting us, or vice versa is more than likely totally improbable.

My take, however, is based on irreverent knowledge on my part ... that different solar systems will have different values for the "speed of light" measures we have ... and we have not YET taken into consideration that a system off a red star, or a different blue star, has different physics according to its system, which are different for their speed of light ... even though, we only seem to see one thing ... a bit of residue of what they have shown since some of it would likely appear on different wavelengths, which we see in red or blue scopes.
No matter how you measure it, the speed of light is always constant.  It's probably the only constant in the universe.  By warping space or going through a wormhole, although you gain more distance than the speed of light, you are not breaking any laws of physics.  Science says it's possible, now engineering has to step up to the plate.


Posted By: CosmicVibration
Date Posted: October 04 2023 at 07:34
Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

I see an alien every time i look down my pants.

Sometimes I can communicate to mine telepathically.  Other times it has a mind of it's own.


Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: October 04 2023 at 10:49
I don't use the term UAP. I use the term UFO. Sorry but that's how I roll. Unless they are different I see no reason to stop using the term UFO. 

Anyway, I don't think I've ever seen one but I know people who have. My brother claimed he saw one once. He said he saw something in the sky and then all of a sudden it just disappeared. My ex-step mother (who I no longer have any contact with) claimed she saw two. One was a bit in the distance but the other one was about (and I'm guessing here) 50 feet away. All I know is that she said it was really close. I don't remember if she said it was a saucer shape though. She said she was about ten years old when she saw it.


Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: October 04 2023 at 11:06
Does anyone know why they're mainly spotted in the USA? Here in Europe we mainly see pink fairies or flying mushrooms...


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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 04 2023 at 11:32
^ Probably because this is where the tech has been developed and tested the most.



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Posted By: Gentle and Giant
Date Posted: October 04 2023 at 12:47
Funny, back in the day there used to be lots of pictures and videos of UFOs. Now, when nearly everyone has a camera in their pocket we aren't getting hundreds and thousands more. Same applies to ghosts, yetis, Loch Ness monsters etc.. Nope, I don't believe in any of it - no proof anywhere of anything - not one thing -zilch.

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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: October 04 2023 at 14:27
^I do but I'm not going to have a debate about it with people on here otherwise it could go on for about 100 pages and take up too much of my time. I will say that there have been hoaxes and imo these hoaxes have killed the credibility of a lot of it in many cases. 


Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: October 04 2023 at 14:59
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

^I do but I'm not going to have a debate about it with people on here otherwise it could go on for about 100 pages and take up too much of my time. I will say that there have been hoaxes and imo these hoaxes have killed the credibility of a lot of it in many cases. 

That's a good point. On top of that it creates a stigma on the subject, so much so that it's hard to attract really good researchers (like scientists, physicists, engineers, etc.) to give it a proper long-term detailed study. 


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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: October 04 2023 at 15:10
Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

^I do but I'm not going to have a debate about it with people on here otherwise it could go on for about 100 pages and take up too much of my time. I will say that there have been hoaxes and imo these hoaxes have killed the credibility of a lot of it in many cases. 

That's a good point. On top of that it creates a stigma on the subject, so much so that it's hard to attract really good researchers (like scientists, physicists, engineers, etc.) to give it a proper long-term detailed study. 

Yep and that's the same reason most scientists don't have much to do with research on big foot or other things that haven't yet been proven by scientists. They are possibly afraid of losing their jobs or losing funding.


Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: October 04 2023 at 15:16
Originally posted by CosmicVibration CosmicVibration wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

I see an alien every time i look down my pants.

Sometimes I can communicate to mine telepathically.  Other times it has a mind of it's own.


LOL Mine likes to be petted

While i do believe in extraterrestrial life and the possibility of innerterrestrial life, i also believe much of what people are experiencing is actually black budget secret military projects that have been serving a break off civilization since the 1940s.

How much is real and how much is fake? Who knows. We're all waiting to find out those answers.


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Posted By: CosmicVibration
Date Posted: October 04 2023 at 15:34
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

^I do but I'm not going to have a debate about it with people on here otherwise it could go on for about 100 pages and take up too much of my time. I will say that there have been hoaxes and imo these hoaxes have killed the credibility of a lot of it in many cases. 

That's a good point. On top of that it creates a stigma on the subject, so much so that it's hard to attract really good researchers (like scientists, physicists, engineers, etc.) to give it a proper long-term detailed study. 

Yep and that's the same reason most scientists don't have much to do with research on big foot or other things that haven't yet been proven by scientists. They are possibly afraid of losing their jobs or losing funding.

This was the case with UFO research.  Simply mentioning a sighting would have been grounds for termination;  several pilots were grounded.  Now NASA has a separate budget for UFO research and is encouraging people to come forward.


Posted By: CosmicVibration
Date Posted: October 04 2023 at 15:41
Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Originally posted by CosmicVibration CosmicVibration wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

I see an alien every time i look down my pants.

Sometimes I can communicate to mine telepathically.  Other times it has a mind of it's own.


LOL Mine likes to be petted

While i do believe in extraterrestrial life and the possibility of innerterrestrial life, i also believe much of what people are experiencing is actually black budget secret military projects that have been serving a break off civilization since the 1940s.

How much is real and how much is fake? Who knows. We're all waiting to find out those answers.
Yea, i believe a lot of sightings are ours.  I don't think any of the USO's are ours, but who knows.

My little friend is actually an ET not an Alien.  ET's share common DNA, aliens don't.


Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: October 04 2023 at 20:50
Well for that reason I do not believe a yetti/bigfoot type creature lives among us, the proof would be a skeleton of some kind of a dead one.
Bears on hind legs most probably and of course a ton of hoaxes. Although I'm not 100% convinced on the UFO thing (I will always call them UFO's...), I'd like t think they are from another planet, but I can't get passed the thought that they travel here from the other end of the universe and don't make themselves known to us.

There are a million videos of everything on the twitter/ticktock/facegram, shot with such clear details yet every video of a UFO is about as clear as mud on a good day. Fooey!! 


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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: October 05 2023 at 06:16
Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

Does anyone know why they're mainly spotted in the USA? Here in Europe we mainly see pink fairies or flying mushrooms...

there have been plenty of sightings of UFO's in the UK actually but obviously America has much greater land mass and population so is logically going to have more. 
Some will be ultimately explainable and some not. The idea of Aliens travelling across the universe to observe  us does make the subject more interesting than if it's just tech the government is developing that's out there.
 


Posted By: CosmicVibration
Date Posted: October 18 2023 at 14:27

The sooner more people get acclimated to the idea that we are not alone the faster open-door contact can occur.

Tim Burchett, R-Tenn., and other lawmakers will soon gain access to the classified SCIF room, where they will be able to look at UAP documents.

According to Burchett, the focus of these briefings, which are set to begin before Christmas, will revolve around David Grusch’s UFO claims. Grusch, a former Air Force officer and intelligence official,  https://www.newsnationnow.com/video/ufo-whistleblower-david-grusch-defends-claims-in-new-interview-newsnation-now/8879842/" rel="nofollow -  before Congress that the U.S. has a secret UFO retrieval program and that  https://www.newsnationnow.com/space/ufo/ufo-whistleblower-says-people-were-harmed-over-ufo-coverups/" rel="nofollow -  of UFO technology.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-pentagon-should-be-nervous-burchett-on-ufo-briefings/ar-AA1ione1?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=d69f193ded534cc2961e84ec506a4a3f&ei=7" rel="nofollow - ‘The Pentagon should be nervous’: Burchett on UFO briefings (msn.com)



Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 18 2023 at 21:38
^ I don't quite see how the data he'll be shown will cast any new light on what's happening.   New to Burchett and the "other lawmakers", but that's about it.   Further, I'd guess a Republican upon finding out the retrieved UAPs are in fact human-made by our military and/or people we have little control over and we're in some bizarre secret anti-gravity arms race, he'd probably just keep his mouth shut.

And BTW:  Tim Burchett is a supporter of twisted Traitor Jim Jordan... so he can can kiss my ass.




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Posted By: CosmicVibration
Date Posted: October 19 2023 at 13:57

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/ufos-mean-us-no-harm-according-to-a-new-official-us-government-report/ar-AA1iwlOI?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=0faef4542f7f478eabf958de747a003d&ei=11" rel="nofollow - UFOs mean us no harm, according to a new official US government report (msn.com)

 

An increase in sightings has sparked more curiosity and more coverage, a very good thing.



Posted By: CosmicVibration
Date Posted: June 10 2024 at 07:33
https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news/why-have-they-kept-it-a-secret-it-s-earth-shattering-10-musicians-who-claim-to-have-encountered-extraterrestrial-activity-in-real-life/ar-AA1hng2E?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=e7d06ed59a5e4d949cd972f2dd1a68c1&ei=87" rel="nofollow - "Why have they kept it a secret? It's Earth-shattering!": 10 musicians who claim to have encountered extraterrestrial activity in real life (msn.com)

I know what you're thinking, musicians Tongue


Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 10 2024 at 09:09
Your world view must be quite grotesque if it is mostly shaped by what you read on msn.com. LOL


Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: June 10 2024 at 09:22
They're out there, man, I seen 'em! I've been out there Aurora Texas, and they got them little graves & stuff...

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Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: June 10 2024 at 09:55
I believe extraterrestrial life exists.  Yet, the speed limit of the universe is light. And extraterrestrials don't have the economic resources or time to make a journey to Earth viable.  Therefore, I do not believe intelligent life has visited Earth.  The distances between Earth and planets that could incubate intelligent life is mind-boggling huge.  It would take thousands of years to make the trip to Earth.Wink  




Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: June 10 2024 at 10:21
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Your world view must be quite grotesque if it is mostly shaped by what you read on msn.com. LOL


MSN is an aggregator, like Yahoo News, Drudge Report, etc. The original article was posted on Louder: https://www.loudersound.com" rel="nofollow - https://www.loudersound.com

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Posted By: CosmicVibration
Date Posted: June 10 2024 at 11:09
Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

I believe extraterrestrial life exists.  Yet, the speed limit of the universe is light. And extraterrestrials don't have the economic resources or time to make a journey to Earth viable.  Therefore, I do not believe intelligent life has visited Earth.  The distances between Earth and planets that could incubate intelligent life is mind-boggling huge.  It would take thousands of years to make the trip to Earth.Wink  


There are several methods known as how, in a sense travel much faster than light without breaking the speed of light.  Civilizations thousands of years ahead of us may have even figure out ways that our science hasn’t dreamed of yet.  There are probably methods of interdimensional traveler as well.  I leave my mind open to all possibilities. Including that we are alone, which is highly unlikely in my opinion.




Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: June 10 2024 at 15:39
If gravity is a wave that emanates from the universe on to objects with mass rather than objects emanating gravity from their own mass, one could conceivably develop a way of utilizing that wave by opposing it, thereby using it as a means of propulsion.   This may be how UAPs function.

And it's far more likely these craft are human-made and controlled, not aliens.



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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: June 10 2024 at 16:47
Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

I believe extraterrestrial life exists.  Yet, the speed limit of the universe is light. And extraterrestrials don't have the economic resources or time to make a journey to Earth viable.  Therefore, I do not believe intelligent life has visited Earth.  The distances between Earth and planets that could incubate intelligent life is mind-boggling huge.  It would take thousands of years to make the trip to Earth.Wink  



I had a teacher a long time ago who didn't believe UFOs were visiting us for similar reasons. He said the distance would be too great. Well, that's all well and good if we assume they are travelling like we would. But imo, they aren't. 


Posted By: Jacob Schoolcraft
Date Posted: July 07 2024 at 19:37
In 1987 I was driving up 295 North on my way to a restaurant in Cherry Hill, N.J.

My friend in the passenger seat then began pointing out something unusual that she claimed to see in the nightsky.

She asked me to get in the right lane and pull over coming to a complete stop to see it.

What I saw can only be described as a silver ball spinning in the nightsky. It appeared to be in the same spot and not moving..yet when I turned on to a different highway it appeared to be following us.

I explained to my friend that it was probably a moving light on top of a military tower. She immediately told me that there was no military base in the area.

It appeared to be following us..but it could have just appeared that way to us. Maybe it was a light that stayed in the same place and as we changed direction it simply appeared to be traveling alongside us.

We were in the restaurant for an hour. When we left to unlock the car and leave we noticed that the silver ball was still in the sky.

On our way home my friend was upset. She said..."I don't care what you say...that ball is following us" "It's been hanging around since we got on the highway" "It followed us "

I kept doubting it was anything other than something owned by the government and that there has never been legitimate proof of alien spacecraft.

When we arrived home it was gone. There has to be a logical explanation for it.


Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: July 07 2024 at 19:40
UEFA sounds a bit like UFO.🛸 Do you think that extraterrestrials are in fact behind this whole football business? 🤔

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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: July 08 2024 at 06:24
Originally posted by Jacob Schoolcraft Jacob Schoolcraft wrote:

In 1987 I was driving up 295 North on my way to a restaurant in Cherry Hill, N.J.

My friend in the passenger seat then began pointing out something unusual that she claimed to see in the nightsky.

She asked me to get in the right lane and pull over coming to a complete stop to see it.

What I saw can only be described as a silver ball spinning in the nightsky. It appeared to be in the same spot and not moving..yet when I turned on to a different highway it appeared to be following us.

I explained to my friend that it was probably a moving light on top of a military tower. She immediately told me that there was no military base in the area.

It appeared to be following us..but it could have just appeared that way to us. Maybe it was a light that stayed in the same place and as we changed direction it simply appeared to be traveling alongside us.

We were in the restaurant for an hour. When we left to unlock the car and leave we noticed that the silver ball was still in the sky.

On our way home my friend was upset. She said..."I don't care what you say...that ball is following us" "It's been hanging around since we got on the highway" "It followed us "

I kept doubting it was anything other than something owned by the government and that there has never been legitimate proof of alien spacecraft.

When we arrived home it was gone. There has to be a logical explanation for it.
The government following you is in fact a legitimate reason to be upset.  


Posted By: Jacob Schoolcraft
Date Posted: July 08 2024 at 19:10
True



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