Re-arrange the Top 30 of all time
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Topic: Re-arrange the Top 30 of all time
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Subject: Re-arrange the Top 30 of all time
Date Posted: May 11 2023 at 17:44
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Heres' to you the Top 30 of Progarchives: http://https://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?salbumtypes=1" rel="nofollow - http://https://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?salbumtypes=1 I've reviewed all of these albums, and here's to you my ranking FIVE STARS 10 1) VdGG: Pawn Hearts 9.5 2) In The Court Of... King Crimson 3) King Crimson: Red 9.25 4) PF: Wish You Were Here 5) Banco: Darwin 6) JT: Aqualung 7) PFM: Storia di un minuto 9 8) Yes: Relayer 9) FZappa: Hot Rats 10) PF: Dark Side 11) VdGG: Godbluff ------- 4 STARS 8.75 12) Yes: CTTE 13) Genesis: Foxtrot 14) PFM: Per un amico 15) KC: Larks 8.5 16) Harmonium 17) Yes: Fragile 18) Genesis: Selling England 19) PF: Animals 20) Banco: Io sono nato libero 8.25 21) Camel: Moonmadness 22) Rush: Moving Pictures (MILES DAVIS: KIND OF BLUE: 5 STARS AS JAZZ ALBUM, 4 STARS AS PROG ALBUM) ------ THREE STARS 8 24) Camel: Mirage 7.75 25) JT: Thick as a Brick 26) Rush: Emispheres 7.5 27) Genesis: Nursery Crime 7.25 28) Rush: A Farewell ------- TWO STARS 7 29) Hybris 6.75 30) GG: In a Glass House. ------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion. |
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: May 11 2023 at 18:03
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I'll do ten. 1. Jethro Tull - Thick As A Brick 2. Rush - Moving Pictures 3. Pink Floyd - Animals 4. Genesis - Selling England by the Pound 5. Gentle Giant - In A Glass House 6. Rush - A Farewell to Kings 7. King Crimson - Red 8. Jethro Tull - Aqualung 9. Rush - Hemispheres 10. Yes - Fragile |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: May 12 2023 at 00:21
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FIVE STARS Close To The Edge Wish You Were Here Thick as a Brick Foxtrot Red Animals Godbluff Pawn Hearts Nursery Cryme Mirage Per Un Amico Moving Pictures Hybris FOUR STARS Selling England By The Pound In The Court Of The Crimson King Fragile Moonmadness Relayer Darwin! Aqualung Storia Di Un Minuto A Farewell To Kings THREE STARS The Dark Side Of The Moon In A Glass House Lark's Tongues In Aspic Hemispheres NO RATING (not listened to enough or at all) Hot Rats A Kind Of Blue Io sono nato libero Si On Avait .. Birds Of Fire H to E, Who Am The Only One |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 12 2023 at 00:52
My first reaction: Nursery Cryme - quite important  , then, I have to think about it.------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
jamesbaldwin wrote:Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 12 2023 at 02:09
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My faves are (in alphabetical order): Anglargård - Hybris Banco del Mutuo Soccorso - Darwin!, Io Sono Nato Libero Genesis - Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot, SEbtP Harmonium - Les Cinq Saisons Jethro Tull - Aqualung King Crimson - ItCotCK, LTiA, Red Pink Floyd - DSotM, WYWH, Animals Premiata Forneria Marconi - Per un Amico Van der Graaf Generator - Godbluff Yes - CttE Frank Zappa - Hot Rats Other, top 100, albums important for me to mention as my faves are: Van der Graaf Generator - H to He Camel - The Snow Goose Mahavishnu Orchestra - Birds of Fire Gentle Giant - Acquiring the Taste Emerson, Lake & Palmer - debut
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 12 2023 at 02:16
I'm curious, in which ways do you see this album as Prog? ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 12 2023 at 02:49
| The Top 30 of all time does not bother me in any way. I don't have to re-arrange anything. |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 12 2023 at 03:05
I don't know the four Italian albums in the Top 30 so I can't re-arrange it, but I know that VDGG's Pawn Hearts would be at #30 in my list, or even lower. 
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: May 12 2023 at 03:06
I'll piggy back on Cristi's post here. I must admit, I do find the PA Top 30 quite interesting, although because it is understandably so weighted toward the classic era, it means very little in the grand scheme of things. Furthermore I find a simple re-arrangement so simplistic and subjective, that it is of itself, a fairly pointless and derivative exercise...
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Posted By: runciblemoon
Date Posted: May 12 2023 at 03:10
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Wow, this was an exercise in splitting hairs! The majority of these albums feel completely worthy of their masterpiece status IMO, even if my personal top 30 would look almost nothing like this. Oh, and I decided to skip Kind of Blue altogether because it's just not a prog rock album, so Wobbler's From Silence to Somewhere snuck on in its place. Anyway, here's my attempt:
PERSONAL FAVOURITES: 1. Yes - Relayer 2. Gentle Giant - In a Glass House 3. Harmonium - Si on avait besoin d'une cinquième saison 4. Van Der Graaf Generator - Godbluff 5. Yes - Close to the Edge 6. King Crimson - Larks' Tongues in Aspic 7. Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso - Darwin! 8. Genesis - Foxtrot 9. PFM - Per Un Amico 10. Van Der Graaf Generator - Pawn Hearts 11. PFM - Storia Di Un Minuto 12. Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick 13. Yes - Fragile 14. King Crimson - Red 15. Anglagard - Hybris 16. Genesis - Selling England by the Pound UNDENIABLE CLASSICS: 17. Camel - Moonmadness 18. Pink Floyd - Animals 19. Camel - Mirage 20. Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon 21. Frank Zappa - Hot Rats 22. Jethro Tull - Aqualung 23. Genesis - Nursery Cryme 24. King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King 25. Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso - Io Sono Nato Libero 26. Wobbler - From Silence to Somewhere 27. Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here NOT FOR ME: 28. Rush - Hemispheres 29. Rush - Moving Pictures 30. Rush - A Farewell to Kings |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 12 2023 at 03:17
I also think those albums belong there and are worthy o the appreciation and love they get.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 12 2023 at 03:32
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From PA's Top 30 list, these are the 5-star albums that would be in my Top 30 too:- Camel - Moonmadness Genesis - Selling England by the Pound King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon YES - The Quest (in place of Close to the Edge)
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 12 2023 at 03:50
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It's not about quality to me, it's about taste and qualities -- qualities especially in the case of Miles Davis' Kind of Blue which is out of place in a progressive rock top list whether one loves it or not. I have no problem with rearranging a list to one's taste; not a matter of if its worthy or not generally to me, although not all may be equally relevant to a particular list, and I like some algorithms for calculating the ratings and rankings more than others. And sometimes there has been manipulation when it comes to the lists, but I don't see that in the top 30 now. Anyway, my top one from the top 30 is Van der Graaf Generator's Pawn Hearts and Miles Davis' Kind of Blue is the only one there that has irked me. I'm happy to have Miles Davis in JRF, I think it's quality jazz album and a real classic of jazz, and I'm fine with people loving it, but that highlights the issue to me of putting whole discographies in one category (and even if one does that, including whole discographies). Also, some relatively recent ones that sometimes quickly get catapulted into top lists have concerned me, but as I said, this is not an issue now with the top 30. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: zwordser
Date Posted: May 12 2023 at 03:51
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Close to what it is now, but with Relayer at the top, Aqualung at the bottom and maybe Per Un Amico a little higher. ------------- Z |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 12 2023 at 04:35
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In my opinion, a good way of re-arranging PA's top 30 would be to put more weight on the number of ratings. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 12 2023 at 05:22
it's fine, because the least number of ratings (+ reviews) is 1100 or so. Just have a look at the number of ratings for each album and you'll see. https://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?salbumtypes=1" rel="nofollow - https://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?salbumtypes=1
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: May 12 2023 at 05:45
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Yeah there's no album's in the top 30 with less than 1000 ratings so there's currently no 'new' albums jumping up into the list with distorted ratings. Even the Wobbler album from '17 in 31st has 800 ratings which is a good number. The first one with a 'low' number is Gorguts in 64th with 229. In that case the QWR does the job its meant to do dragging down its average rating from 4.39 (which would be good for 18th without weighting) to 4.25. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: May 12 2023 at 06:23
Hi, I love all these ... equally, and it's really hard to decide. So I ended up with a Baker's Dozen! Only sad thing is that not everything can be included. My other choices to add: AD2: Dance of the Lemmings Ange: Au Dela Du Delire Ryuichi Sakamoto: Beauty Sadistic Mika Band: Hot Menu Egberto Gismonti: No Caipira. (Although many might think this is "jazz" but it really isn't. It's more "classical" than anything, and it is a beauty and then some.)
------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 12 2023 at 06:37
So, I should maybe show what I mean. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: May 12 2023 at 06:56
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Even my non-favorites are of high quality at least seven out of ten. No other order than the stars given: ***** Red In The Court Of The Crimson King Pawn Hearts Nursery Cryme Mirage Aqualung Storia Di Un Minuto H to E, Who Am The Only One **** 1/2 Godbluff Moonmadness Lark's Tongues In Aspic **** Per Un Amico Close To The Edge Wish You Were Here Thick as a Brick Foxtrot Selling England By The Pound Fragile Darwin! Hot Rats A Kind Of Blue Io sono nato libero The Dark Side Of The Moon Relayer *** 1/2 Animals A Farewell To Kings Moving Pictures Hybris Hemispheres In A Glass House Si On Avait .. Birds Of Fire
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 12 2023 at 07:22
 ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: May 12 2023 at 07:36
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Ok here's mine 5 Star King Crimson - Larks Tongues In Aspic 4.66 Star Pink Floyd - Animals King Crimson - Red VDGG - Godbluff Frank Zappa - Hot Rats VDGG - Pawn Hearts Pink Floyd - WYWH Jethro Tull - TAAB PFM - Per Un Amico 4.33 Star Yes - CTTE GG - IAGH KC - ITCOTCK JT - Aqualung Genesis - Foxtrot Harmonium - Les Cinq Saisons Yes - Relayer Yes - Fragile 4 Star Camel - Mirage PF - DSOTM 3.66 Star Banco - Io Sono.. PFM - Storia... Rush - Moving Pictures Genesis - Nursery Crymes Anglagard - Hybris Banco - Darwin 3.33 Star Genesis - SEBTP Camel - Moonmadness Rush - Hemispheres Rush - A Farewell... ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 12 2023 at 07:36
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Then I'm curious, Paul, how many of the top 30 albums are you fond of? ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: May 12 2023 at 07:40
| There are no 3 stars albums for me in that list, all of them are 5 or 4 stars. |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 12 2023 at 07:47
All of them, apart from Gentle Giant, Van der Graaf Generator, Frank Zappa and the four unknown Italian albums.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: May 12 2023 at 08:01
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I found this exercice ratherv difficult and it's not perfect. I had to magnify the differences between what is commonly agreed as 5  and 3.5 ***** In The Court Of The
Crimson King The Dark Side Of The
Moon Si On Avait .. Birds Of Fire Wish You Were Here Thick as a Brick **** 1/2 Godbluff Selling England By The
Pound Hybris Red Lark's Tongues In
Aspic **** Close To The Edge In A Glass House Animals Foxtrot Storia Di Un Minuto Hot Rats A Kind Of Blue Io sono nato libero Relayer Nursery Cryme Aqualung *** 1/2 A Farewell To Kings Fragile Darwin! H to E, Who Am The
Only One Pawn Hearts Moving Pictures Hemispheres Mirage Moonmadness Per Un Amico ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 12 2023 at 08:04
What about King Crimson? ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 12 2023 at 08:22
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Anyway, Paul, you're about as much a mainstream man here as I am. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 12 2023 at 08:26
I Love King Crimson's outstanding debut, but Larks' Tongues in Aspic leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 12 2023 at 08:44
While another album makes you to see a bit too much of red?  ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: May 12 2023 at 12:27
I've tried to explain my opinion in my review: I'm surprised that this album is held in such high regard here in PA (number 12 on the Top Albums of all time!). I think it is the worst of the classic Genesis period (and even Trespass is much better). The famous "The Musical Box" (rating 7.5 / 8) is a song that starts slow, subdued, intimate and stays in this mood (monotonous at times) for almost 4 minutes; then comes the rock instrumental part, where the musicians show off their virtuosity, and Collins (more than Hackett) proves his worth, characterising the Genesis sound with his jazzy rhythm. The track goes on for up to 10 minutes, alternating beautiful instrumental progressions with stunted sung pieces. Overall, it does not take off, never reaching a climax. "For Absent Friends" (6.5) is an acoustic piece of less than two minutes, beautiful in its singing, but without development. "The Return of the Giant Hogweed" (rating 8) starts with a nice rock rhythm in which Banks and Collins give their best. It lacks a melody, everything is based on a rhythm that continues very pompous; after 5 minutes the song pauses, the rhythm becomes slower and the sound intimate; but then it ends with a pompous ending. It is the best song on the album, but something is missing to consider it an absolute masterpiece. End of side A. "Seven Stones" (rating 7.5/8) is a 5-minute ballad with a good progression in which romantic epic moments and rock moments alternate with many changes of rhythm. "Harold the Barrel" (rated 7+) is a pop song, with the atmosphere of a variety song. It shows Peter Gabriel's ironic/satirical streak. The three-minute song 'Harlequin' is the worst song on the album, being cloying (rating 6+). The last song, 'The Fountain of Salmacis' (rating 7.5) closes the LP. It is the third long song (8 minutes) after Musical Box and Giant Hogweed, and like the other two is pompous and magniloquent. Gabriel's vocals are strangely in the background, Banks' keyboard, as usual, drives the music (again more rhythm than melody); in the instrumental parts the bass solo can be heard. The album is not very inspired: on a melodic level it is definitely inferior to Trespass. It requires very careful listening and on the whole does not linger in the mind, it is too elaborate and forced in many parts. There are good songs, but they are not true masterpieces (not even Musical Box). The technical expertise, especially in the instrumental parts, partly compensates for the poor melodic vein. I think this record is very overrated, probably because it is the first with the line-up most beloved by Genesis fans. In my opinion, it is a transitional album: after the excellent Trespass, a linear, inspired, compact, melodically beautiful album, Nursery Crime tries new paths (which will be developed in the following albums) by focusing less on melody and more on technical rate. Where Trespass is melodically sublime in its epicness, Nursery Crime is very pumped up thanks to frenzied rhythms: therein lies the difference between inspiration and technique. Average song quality: 7.29 Album rating: 7.5. Three stars. ------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion. |
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: May 12 2023 at 12:47
It's jazz, but being in this ranking, I try to see this album as prog. In my reviews, I dont give 5 stars to Miles Davis, because it would be a non-sense if some of his album reached the first position of this prog-ranking. ------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion. |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 13 2023 at 01:13
Then, we're really talking about Nursery Crime
- but I appreciate that you're telling your honest opinion.------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: May 13 2023 at 02:07
Yes, what's up with that? You've listened to like 170 Tangerine Dream-albums and at least half of them of surely had to be a waste of precious listening time? Your life would be so much richer if you gave a handful of the italianprog classics a chance. |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 13 2023 at 02:49
Very good remark - a subject meeting an object, and there's the question how big is the resonance. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 13 2023 at 02:59
But, 7.5 : 2 = 3.75 , isn't that closest to 4 stars? - just to be fair. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: May 13 2023 at 03:22
7.5 equals 7 out of 10 = 3,5 out of 5 Edit: lol I don't know what I'm trying here, but it sure doesn't make much sense to me now
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Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: May 13 2023 at 06:27
I Use this metro: Five stars: 10/10 9.75/10 9.5/10 9.25/10 9/10 I consider the abums rated 9.75 and 10 absolute masterpieces of music history, not only of prog (If I could I'd give them 6 stars), instead, the albums rated 9 are small masterpieces. ---- Four stars. 8.75 (4 and a half stars, almost masterpiece) 8.5 8.25 ---- Three stars 8 (3 and a half stars) 7.75 7.5 7.25 ----- Two stars 7 (2 and a half stars) 6.75 6.5 6.25 6 ---- One star 5.5 or less ------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion. |
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: May 13 2023 at 06:53
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Five Star Masterpieces: 1. Relayer2. Si on avait besoin d'une cinquième saison 3. Selling England by the Pound 4. Close to the Edge 5. In the Court of the Crimson King 6. Per un amico 7. Dark Side of the Moon 8. Animals 9. Fragile 10. Hot Rats 11. Io sono nato libero 12. Foxtrot 13. Pawn Hearts 14. Birds of Fire 15. Nursery Cryme 16. H to He, Who Am the Only One 4.5 Star Minor Masterpieces: 17. In A Glass House 18. Thick as a Brick 19. Moonmadness 20. Red 21. Darwin! 22. Hybris 23. Mirage 24. Wish You Were Here 25. Lark's Tongues in Aspic Four Stars: 26. Godbluff 27. Aqualung 28. Moving Pictures 29. Hemispheres 30. Storia di un minuto Not a Prog Album: Kind of Blue ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 13 2023 at 08:41
 1974: Camel - Mirage - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8f-nQPoi3aY" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8f-nQPoi3aY 1976: Camel - Moonmadness - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYIBtjTeIFM" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYIBtjTeIFM 1971: Genesis - Nursery Cryme - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt_iggp316Q" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt_iggp316Q 1972: Genesis - Foxtrot - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLQORWmqpuo" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLQORWmqpuo 1973: Genesis - Selling England by the Pound - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqKtDn5ntms" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqKtDn5ntms 1969: King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw85aNJabkE" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw85aNJabkE 1973: Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9ynZnEBtvw" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9ynZnEBtvw 1970: Van der Graaf Generator - H to He, Who Am the Only One - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQR6e_wpeiY" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQR6e_wpeiY 1972: YES - Close to the Edge - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNkWac-Nm0A" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNkWac-Nm0A  1992: Anglagard - Hybris - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mbRjdsiB68" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mbRjdsiB68 1975: Harmonium - Le Cinque Saisons - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkNzlf2MczE" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkNzlf2MczE 1971: Jethro Tull - Aqualung - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MslaxkQpTdI" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MslaxkQpTdI 1972: Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X15PsqN0DHc" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X15PsqN0DHc 1977: Pink Floyd - Animals - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4KQae9oMWs" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4KQae9oMWs 1975: Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMy_mYkwl4M" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMy_mYkwl4M 2017: Wobbler - From Silence to Somewhere - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MSjUXDdmKM" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MSjUXDdmKM 1971: YES - Fragile - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hE7HZCVVRU" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hE7HZCVVRU 1974: YES - Relayer - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quPoq2699Xo" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quPoq2699Xo  1973: Gentle Giant - In a Glass House - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dNpM59fJOA" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dNpM59fJOA 1974: King Crimson - Red - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6ogdCG3tAWjYWwQ7uWVrwg-9YawR_N-1" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6ogdCG3tAWjYWwQ7uWVrwg-9YawR_N-1 1973: Mahavishnu Orchestra - Birds of Fire - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa6D3Z2YkhY" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa6D3Z2YkhY 1977: Rush - A Farewell to Kings - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3ca8ZXjlv8" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3ca8ZXjlv8 1978: Rush - Hemispheres - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMoHes_BChQ" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMoHes_BChQ 1981: Rush - Moving Pictures - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAIxUvd8gWo" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAIxUvd8gWo 1975: Van der Graaf Generator - Godbluff - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fF2H5kVUXc" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fF2H5kVUXc 1969: Frank Zappa - Hot Rats - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdU4FHH4FnE" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdU4FHH4FnE  1972: King Crimson - Larks' Tongues in Aspic - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nwJdj92uwTS0jn09Tykvmx9WUoniW2HYo" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nwJdj92uwTS0jn09Tykvmx9WUoNiW2HYo 1972: Van der Graaf Generator - Pawn Hearts - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mINFDBMLirA" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mINFDBMLirA |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 13 2023 at 08:45
That is maybe even not quite/so true, as it's more a matter of a subject meeting other, cybernetic subjects, so it's not just about resonance, but a good match. How about that? ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: May 13 2023 at 09:40
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^ How about that?  It sounds as void and devoid of substance as the previous statement, just like most of the dialogues you have with yourself. ------------- The razamataz is a pain in the bum |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 13 2023 at 09:50
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Let me tell you, guys, if to put more weight on the number of ratings, PA's top 30 would surely look differently from the present one - that would definitely be an inter-subjective re-arranging. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 13 2023 at 09:59
both me and Ian already debunked this, you repeating it does not make it true. The least amount (smallest number) of ratings & reviews for an album in the top 30 is 1100 or so. Need I say that's a lot?!
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 13 2023 at 10:04
Anyway, don't ask me if I understand what bothers you here.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 13 2023 at 10:10
I'm just telling about my opinion, and I have no intention about doing it. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 13 2023 at 10:17
well, there is weight on the number of ratings, so you saying there isn't is just wrong. The Top Prog Albums of All Time includes the albums with high number of ratings (and reviews), also some of the most beloved, highest-rated and respected prog albums of all time.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 13 2023 at 10:24
I seem to have spent half my life doing inter-subjective re-arranging, and when I've run out of CD's & DVD's to rearrange, I'll start rearranging the flowers (in my hair).
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: May 13 2023 at 11:42
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I still don't understand what you are proposing. The current rankings do take account of the number of ratings in the QWR number. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: May 13 2023 at 15:15
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First group (top personal favourites) King Crimson - Red Pink Floyd - AnimalsVDGG - Pawn Hearts Camel - Moonmadness Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon Jethro Tull - TAAB Frank Zappa - Hot Rats Yes - Relayer Camel - Mirage Second group (excellent albums that deserve top rating even though they don't have the personal appeal to me to make it into the first group) King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King Jethro Tull - Aqualung King Crimson - Larks Tongues In Aspic Yes - CTTE PFM - Per Un Amico Third group (excellent albums) Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso - Darwin! Genesis - Selling England by the Pound Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso - Io Sono Nato Libero Fourth group (albums that I like a lot but not at a really high level) Genesis - Nursery Cryme Gentle Giant - In A Glass House Pink Floyd - WYWH Genesis - Foxtrot Yes - Fragile Fifth group (albums I'm not so keen on, they're fine though - nothing here is bad) PFM - Storia Di Un Minuto VDGG - Godbluff Anglagard - Hybris Sixth group (albums that I haven't listened to enough to rate) Harmonium - Si on avait besoin d'une cinquième saison Wobbler - From Silence to Somewhere Rush - Hemispheres Rush - Moving Pictures Rush - A Farewell to Kings |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 14 2023 at 02:41
Actually, this was meant as dialogue with Lorenzo and maybe others on a kind of philosophical level. Likewise, my talk about inter-subjective re-arranging.
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