Ride the Lightning vs. Master of Puppets
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Topic: Ride the Lightning vs. Master of Puppets
Posted By: bardberic
Subject: Ride the Lightning vs. Master of Puppets
Date Posted: May 05 2023 at 17:20
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: May 05 2023 at 17:23
I need to listen to RTL again but that's probably the one I would go for. Just to be clear though is this poll about the songs or the entire albums?
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: May 05 2023 at 17:25
One word: "Orion"
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Posted By: bardberic
Date Posted: May 05 2023 at 17:33
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
I need to listen to RTL again but that's
probably the one I would go for. Just to be clear though is this poll
about the songs or the entire albums? | haha i wanted to leave out as little info as possible for an unbiased poll, but yes the albums, not the songs (hence why I embedded Creeping Death instead of Ride the Lightning [the song]) - probably shoulda done Battery instead of Master of Puppets [the song] for further clarification.
Nevertheless, for me, MoP is the more consistent album that works better as a whole, while RtL has significantly higher highs and much better singles, but some songs, like Escape, were questionable inclusions. It really is a tough decision between the two albums, but I do like the production of RtL considerably better than MoP, as the latter is honestly a bit too polished for me, while the former hits in just the right spot and for that reason I would pick RtL. If the four best songs from this album were released as an EP, it may be the greatest release of in metal history, imo they're that good (For Whom the Bell Tolls, Fade to Black, Creeping Death, and The Call of Ktulu), and a contender for best EP of all time. Yet as cliched as it may be to state this, it really is a tough decision between the two - the question is am I looking at the songs or the album.
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Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: May 05 2023 at 17:47
Those are my two favorite Metallica albums. Both title tracks are awesome. I would give the edge to MoP. Great listen from front to back.
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: May 05 2023 at 19:11
Ride the Lightning has some amazing songs but feels like a band in evolution, which it is. Master of Puppets is almost perfect start to finish, a band at its peak.
Justice was "Well what do we do now?"
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: May 05 2023 at 23:57
bardberic wrote:
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
I need to listen to RTL again but that's
probably the one I would go for. Just to be clear though is this poll
about the songs or the entire albums? | haha i wanted to leave out as little info as possible for an unbiased poll, but yes the albums, not the songs (hence why I embedded Creeping Death instead of Ride the Lightning [the song]) - probably shoulda done Battery instead of Master of Puppets [the song] for further clarification.
Nevertheless, for me, MoP is the more consistent album that works better as a whole, while RtL has significantly higher highs and much better singles, but some songs, like Escape, were questionable inclusions. It really is a tough decision between the two albums, but I do like the production of RtL considerably better than MoP, as the latter is honestly a bit too polished for me, while the former hits in just the right spot and for that reason I would pick RtL. If the four best songs from this album were released as an EP, it may be the greatest release of in metal history, imo they're that good (For Whom the Bell Tolls, Fade to Black, Creeping Death, and The Call of Ktulu), and a contender for best EP of all time. Yet as cliched as it may be to state this, it really is a tough decision between the two - the question is am I looking at the songs or the album.
| In regards to the production I think both albums are pretty much perfect. I wouldn't want the cleaned up sound on RtL - or a grittier MoP. I love the brutal attack of Fight Fire With Fire just as much as the razorsharp and explosive Battery - and none of them would gain anything by swapping production imo. I agree that Escape is significantly weaker than say... Leper Messiah (which is still great), and for me the highs are simply put the rest of both albums - and about equal. With the already mentioned Fight Fire With Fire being a personal contender for best albumopener in metal ever - I certainly wouldn't want an EP without it (or the title track, really).
...blahblahblah... if I had to choose just one, its got to be Master of Puppets for me. But fortunatly I can have both:)
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 06 2023 at 01:39
Posted By: bardberic
Date Posted: May 06 2023 at 01:41
Saperlipopette! wrote:
bardberic wrote:
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
I need to listen to RTL again but that's
probably the one I would go for. Just to be clear though is this poll
about the songs or the entire albums? | haha i wanted to leave out as little info as possible for an unbiased poll, but yes the albums, not the songs (hence why I embedded Creeping Death instead of Ride the Lightning [the song]) - probably shoulda done Battery instead of Master of Puppets [the song] for further clarification.
Nevertheless, for me, MoP is the more consistent album that works better as a whole, while RtL has significantly higher highs and much better singles, but some songs, like Escape, were questionable inclusions. It really is a tough decision between the two albums, but I do like the production of RtL considerably better than MoP, as the latter is honestly a bit too polished for me, while the former hits in just the right spot and for that reason I would pick RtL. If the four best songs from this album were released as an EP, it may be the greatest release of in metal history, imo they're that good (For Whom the Bell Tolls, Fade to Black, Creeping Death, and The Call of Ktulu), and a contender for best EP of all time. Yet as cliched as it may be to state this, it really is a tough decision between the two - the question is am I looking at the songs or the album.
| In regards to the production I think both albums are pretty much perfect. I wouldn't want the cleaned up sound on RtL - or a grittier MoP. I love the brutal attack of Fight Fire With Fire just as much as the razorsharp and explosive Battery - and none of them would gain anything by swapping production imo. I agree that Escape is significantly weaker than say... Leper Messiah (which is still great), and for me the highs are simply put the rest of both albums - and about equal. With the already mentioned Fight Fire With Fire being a personal contender for best albumopener in metal ever - I certainly wouldn't want an EP without it (or the title track, really).
...blahblahblah... if I had to choose just one, its got to be Master of Puppets for me. But fortunatly I can have both:)
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Yeah I just got Master of Puppets on CD - the only Metallica album I still need to have all the Metallica albums I want is Ride the Lightning. Nevertheless this is the first Metallica album I purchased since I got Kill 'Em All on vinyl in 2017, thus I reorganized all my Metallica stuff (replacing, for example, all the sh*tty compressed mp3s I got like a decade ago with better sounding files) and so they've been on my mind recently.
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Posted By: bardberic
Date Posted: May 06 2023 at 03:02
Negoba wrote:
Ride the Lightning has some amazing songs but feels like a band in evolution, which it is. Master of Puppets is almost perfect start to finish, a band at its peak.
Justice was "Well what do we do now?" |
Justice would be my absolute favorite if they didn't madly disrespect Jason with that god awful mix. Instead, rather, I can't really sit through the damned thing. Metallica are brilliant musicians, but they keep screwing up the production job... I blame Lars.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 06 2023 at 03:56
Master of Puppets
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Posted By: Archisorcerus
Date Posted: May 06 2023 at 04:17
MoP. It is my favourite Metallica album.
RtL has many good and great songs, but I just don't like the sound of the album.
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Posted By: Stressed Cheese
Date Posted: May 06 2023 at 04:48
Master of Puppets. It's hard for me to pick a favorite between the first 4 Metallica albums, but Ride The Lightning is probably my least favorite, although not by much. Most songs on one have an equivalent on the other, but the MoP counterparts are usually better IMO. The production is also a lot better.
1986 was kind of the year that thrash metal grew up, in a way, and production-wise as well. A lot of thrash from 1985 or before sound a lot worse, IMO. Though even MoP doesn't sound as good as Reign in Blood does, to be honest. That album really sounds like a new standard for the genre.
bardberic wrote:
Justice would be my absolute favorite if they didn't madly disrespect Jason with that god awful mix. Instead, rather, I can't really sit through the damned thing. Metallica are brilliant musicians, but they keep screwing up the production job... I blame Lars.
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There are some fan mixes that reinstate the bass, but I honestly never found it to make a huge difference. Though the production is a weak point for sure. The bass is never really all that audible on Metallica albums, but something about the sound of the guitars and drums makes it all the more painful on Justice. Though I'm more annoyed by how the Justice bass drum sounds like a mouse click.
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Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: May 06 2023 at 05:32
Not my glass of beer
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: May 06 2023 at 07:09
MOP. Saw them on that tour with Anthrax supporting, Sept '86, literally 6 days before Cliff died..
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Posted By: essexboyinwales
Date Posted: May 06 2023 at 08:05
Tough call. Both are incredible albums by a band in the peak phase of their powers. Fade To Black probably tips it to RTL for me, but only by the slimmest of margins….
AJFA was the first Metallica album I bought, and the first “thrash” album too. It made a massive impression on me and I still rate it my favourite album of theirs, despite the sound. What a run of albums that is, from KEA through to TBA🤘😎
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Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: May 06 2023 at 10:21
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Posted By: essexboyinwales
Date Posted: May 06 2023 at 11:15
geekfreak wrote:
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Definitely one of my favourite album covers😎
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 06 2023 at 11:20
Their 80s album covers were great, but afterwards, they looked rather awful, really strange...
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: May 06 2023 at 11:28
Cristi wrote:
Their 80s album covers were great, but afterwards, they looked rather awful, really strange... |
To me it makes perfect sense as... Their 80s albums were great, but afterwards, they sound rather awful, really strange...
(I don't really mind the Black Album though. It's a solid three star. Same goes for the cover art)
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 06 2023 at 11:33
Saperlipopette! wrote:
Cristi wrote:
Their 80s album covers were great, but afterwards, they looked rather awful, really strange... |
To me it makes perfect sense as... Their 80s albums were great, but afterwards, they sound rather awful, really strange...
(I don't really mind the Black Album though. It's a solid three star. Same goes for the cover art)
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I really like their last two albums. Hetfield saves the day for me though.
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: May 06 2023 at 11:45
^ Ok I've mostly just lost interest in what they have to offer. I've only really heard about a trio of songs form each of them.
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Posted By: Stressed Cheese
Date Posted: May 06 2023 at 17:08
Cristi wrote:
Their 80s album covers were great, but afterwards, they looked rather awful, really strange... |
What, you don't like the piss, blood and cum album covers?
Cristi wrote:
I really like their last two albums. Hetfield saves the day for me though. |
I don't really mind listening to it, but every recent song I've heard from Metallica just sounds like you'd ask someone to come up with a song that sounds like Metallica. I feel like every 80's metal band, after they get past their weird era in the 90's just devolve into that.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: May 06 2023 at 18:25
bardberic wrote:
Saperlipopette! wrote:
bardberic wrote:
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
I need to listen to RTL again but that's
probably the one I would go for. Just to be clear though is this poll
about the songs or the entire albums? | haha i wanted to leave out as little info as possible for an unbiased poll, but yes the albums, not the songs (hence why I embedded Creeping Death instead of Ride the Lightning [the song]) - probably shoulda done Battery instead of Master of Puppets [the song] for further clarification.
Nevertheless, for me, MoP is the more consistent album that works better as a whole, while RtL has significantly higher highs and much better singles, but some songs, like Escape, were questionable inclusions. It really is a tough decision between the two albums, but I do like the production of RtL considerably better than MoP, as the latter is honestly a bit too polished for me, while the former hits in just the right spot and for that reason I would pick RtL. If the four best songs from this album were released as an EP, it may be the greatest release of in metal history, imo they're that good (For Whom the Bell Tolls, Fade to Black, Creeping Death, and The Call of Ktulu), and a contender for best EP of all time. Yet as cliched as it may be to state this, it really is a tough decision between the two - the question is am I looking at the songs or the album.
| In regards to the production I think both albums are pretty much perfect. I wouldn't want the cleaned up sound on RtL - or a grittier MoP. I love the brutal attack of Fight Fire With Fire just as much as the razorsharp and explosive Battery - and none of them would gain anything by swapping production imo. I agree that Escape is significantly weaker than say... Leper Messiah (which is still great), and for me the highs are simply put the rest of both albums - and about equal. With the already mentioned Fight Fire With Fire being a personal contender for best albumopener in metal ever - I certainly wouldn't want an EP without it (or the title track, really).
...blahblahblah... if I had to choose just one, its got to be Master of Puppets for me. But fortunatly I can have both:)
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Yeah I just got Master of Puppets on CD - the only Metallica album I still need to have all the Metallica albums I want is Ride the Lightning. Nevertheless this is the first Metallica album I purchased since I got Kill 'Em All on vinyl in 2017, thus I reorganized all my Metallica stuff (replacing, for example, all the sh*tty compressed mp3s I got like a decade ago with better sounding files) and so they've been on my mind recently.
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Kill Em All is the only one of the earlier (black album and earlier) albums I don't have. I don't have anything from Load or after it athough I did borrow Death Magnetic from the library once and thought it was pretty good.
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Posted By: bardberic
Date Posted: May 06 2023 at 23:13
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
bardberic wrote:
Saperlipopette! wrote:
bardberic wrote:
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
I need to listen to RTL again but that's
probably the one I would go for. Just to be clear though is this poll
about the songs or the entire albums? | haha i wanted to leave out as little info as possible for an unbiased poll, but yes the albums, not the songs (hence why I embedded Creeping Death instead of Ride the Lightning [the song]) - probably shoulda done Battery instead of Master of Puppets [the song] for further clarification.
Nevertheless, for me, MoP is the more consistent album that works better as a whole, while RtL has significantly higher highs and much better singles, but some songs, like Escape, were questionable inclusions. It really is a tough decision between the two albums, but I do like the production of RtL considerably better than MoP, as the latter is honestly a bit too polished for me, while the former hits in just the right spot and for that reason I would pick RtL. If the four best songs from this album were released as an EP, it may be the greatest release of in metal history, imo they're that good (For Whom the Bell Tolls, Fade to Black, Creeping Death, and The Call of Ktulu), and a contender for best EP of all time. Yet as cliched as it may be to state this, it really is a tough decision between the two - the question is am I looking at the songs or the album.
| In regards to the production I think both albums are pretty much perfect. I wouldn't want the cleaned up sound on RtL - or a grittier MoP. I love the brutal attack of Fight Fire With Fire just as much as the razorsharp and explosive Battery - and none of them would gain anything by swapping production imo. I agree that Escape is significantly weaker than say... Leper Messiah (which is still great), and for me the highs are simply put the rest of both albums - and about equal. With the already mentioned Fight Fire With Fire being a personal contender for best albumopener in metal ever - I certainly wouldn't want an EP without it (or the title track, really).
...blahblahblah... if I had to choose just one, its got to be Master of Puppets for me. But fortunatly I can have both:)
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Yeah I just got Master of Puppets on CD - the only Metallica album I still need to have all the Metallica albums I want is Ride the Lightning. Nevertheless this is the first Metallica album I purchased since I got Kill 'Em All on vinyl in 2017, thus I reorganized all my Metallica stuff (replacing, for example, all the sh*tty compressed mp3s I got like a decade ago with better sounding files) and so they've been on my mind recently.
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Kill Em All is the only one of the earlier (black album and earlier) albums I don't have. I don't have anything from Load or after it athough I did borrow Death Magnetic from the library once and thought it was pretty good.
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Yeah I'm not interested in Load/Reload - they as well as 72 Seasons and Hardwired are the only four Metallica albums I've never finished, nor intend to.
I have Kill 'Em All, Master of Puppets, eponymous, St. Anger, and Death Magnetic, the latter three I got in high school (what if I told you at one point St. Anger was one of my favorite albums... I was one angry teenager and man did that album serve its purpose for me lmfao I don't listen to it nearly as much as I did back then [I don't think I've listened to it in several years but idk]) - I would like to get Ride the Lightning, and I'm still thinking about AJFA (brilliant song writing, but terrible production job - thanks Lars)
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 07 2023 at 00:36
Stressed Cheese wrote:
Cristi wrote:
I really like their last two albums. Hetfield saves the day for me though. |
I don't really mind listening to it, but every recent song I've heard from Metallica just sounds like you'd ask someone to come up with a song that sounds like Metallica. I feel like every 80's metal band, after they get past their weird era in the 90's just devolve into that. |
yeah, maybe, still like some of those albums (Overkill, Testament, Death Angel, Exodus, Kreator have released good albums post 2000).
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: May 07 2023 at 07:49
I really like "When Darkness Had a Son" off the new 72 seasons - the way the riff sits in time seems like something Metallica hasn't done before.
For me, everything post Black album is pretty hit and miss. There are some great songs in there "Fuel" as an example, but they decided to do more straight ahead rock in the 90's until the can of beans snare fiasco and by the time they came back to old man thrash, it was nostalgia band time. Which is fine. They are old men. And they do write good riffs and sometimes good songs. But the magic fire of their 80's output is long past.
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Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: May 08 2023 at 06:21
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: May 08 2023 at 20:52
I have never really understood the great love towards Master of Puppets. I guess it's just because though I do like metal, and Metallica, I'm not really much of a fan of Thrash, so I rather enjoy the more melodic Metallica songs. As for these two albums, I feel that MoP follows a similar pattern to RtL, but out of those songs I like from RtL, I like them much better than their MoP counterparts.
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Posted By: Lesanderd
Date Posted: September 19 2023 at 16:42
Master of Puppets is Metallica at their peak.
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Posted By: Hiram
Date Posted: September 19 2023 at 22:37
Tough choice but today it's Ride the Lightning.
The first four Metallica albums are among the best music ever.
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: September 19 2023 at 23:42
Dellinger wrote:
I have never really understood the great love towards Master of Puppets. I guess it's just because though I do like metal, and Metallica, I'm not really much of a fan of Thrash, so I rather enjoy the more melodic Metallica songs. | Surely you understand that the reason you don't love it as greatly as others, is that you struggle with the genre in itself? As don't I like Neo-Prog at all and can't stand the approach to Prog-Metal that Dream Theater represent - it's no mystery to me why I don't enjoy the much beloved Misplaced Childhood or Images and Words.
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Posted By: Octopus II
Date Posted: September 20 2023 at 01:14
Master Of Puppets
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: September 25 2023 at 00:46
Saperlipopette! wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
I have never really understood the great love towards Master of Puppets. I guess it's just because though I do like metal, and Metallica, I'm not really much of a fan of Thrash, so I rather enjoy the more melodic Metallica songs. | Surely you understand that the reason you don't love it as greatly as others, is that you struggle with the genre in itself? As don't I like Neo-Prog at all and can't stand the approach to Prog-Metal that Dream Theater represent - it's no mystery to me why I don't enjoy the much beloved Misplaced Childhood or Images and Words.
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Yes, that's exactly what I said.
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Posted By: Archisorcerus
Date Posted: September 25 2023 at 04:51
Archisorcerus wrote:
MoP. It is my favourite Metallica album.
RtL has many good and great songs, but I just don't like the sound of the album.
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Good grief, what did I say here...
I like the sound of RtL. I guess I thought it was ...And Justice for All, whose sound I dislike.
Ride the Lightning's tracks are a bit of a hit-and-miss for me. Howbeit, Master of Puppets is wholly excellent IMO.
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: September 25 2023 at 06:31
Dellinger wrote:
Saperlipopette! wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
I have never really understood the great love towards Master of Puppets. I guess it's just because though I do like metal, and Metallica, I'm not really much of a fan of Thrash, so I rather enjoy the more melodic Metallica songs. | Surely you understand that the reason you don't love it as greatly as others, is that you struggle with the genre in itself? As don't I like Neo-Prog at all and can't stand the approach to Prog-Metal that Dream Theater represent - it's no mystery to me why I don't enjoy the much beloved Misplaced Childhood or Images and Words.
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Yes, that's exactly what I said. | Well, you began by stating that you never understood why, while the reason is obvious. But nevermind.
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Posted By: Hector Enrique
Date Posted: September 28 2023 at 16:37
"Ride the Lightning" has excellent songs, like "For Whom the Bell Tolls", "Fade to Black" and the instrumental "The Call of Ktulu", but Master of Puppets is a step above with its more powerful sound like with "Master of Puppets", "Welcome Home" and the instrumental "Orion".
------------- Héctor Enrique
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Posted By: Modrigue
Date Posted: October 05 2023 at 06:34
Ride the Lightning for me, more innovative
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Posted By: Cylli Kat (0fficial)
Date Posted: October 18 2023 at 18:43
Coin flip lands me on Pastor of Muppets. Another flipping of the coin may have resulted in Ride the Lightning. Didn't vote in the poll.
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: October 19 2023 at 10:21
Cylli Kat (0fficial) wrote:
Coin flip lands me on Pastor of Muppets. |
I call it that, too.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: October 19 2023 at 10:24
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: October 19 2023 at 10:24
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: October 19 2023 at 12:57
I prefer this 1956 jazz-version
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