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Topic: YES - Time and a Word
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Subject: YES - Time and a Word
Date Posted: May 05 2023 at 03:52
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Does anyone know why YES - Time and a Word isn't listed amongst PA's Top 250 Albums of 1970, even though it has a rating of 3.35.  https://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=&syears=1970&scountries=&sminratings=10&smaxratings=0&sminavgratings=2&smaxresults=250&x=61&y=4#list" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=&syears=1970&scountries=&sminratings=10&smaxratings=0&sminavgratings=2&smaxresults=250&x=61&y=4#list
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Posted By: Ronstein
Date Posted: May 05 2023 at 05:05
| I know it's (for me) a great album and seems underrated (and compared to much later offerings, happily understated) |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: May 05 2023 at 05:14
| It's the algorithm used. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 05 2023 at 06:28
| just something wrong in the algorithm. |
Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: May 05 2023 at 06:38
It's on 250. https://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=&syears=1970&scountries=&sminratings=12&smaxratings=0&sminavgratings=1&smaxresults=250&x=62&y=5#list" rel="nofollow - Look !  ------------- The razamataz is a pain in the bum |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 05 2023 at 06:41
it is, nevertheless it should be a bit higher. There are albums with less ratings that are higher and it's wrong.
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suitkees wrote:Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: May 05 2023 at 06:46
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^ The ranking is based on the QWR, not on the "normal" average rating, so it is not necessarily wrong. However, we could consider it to be awkward... ------------- The razamataz is a pain in the bum |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 05 2023 at 06:49
maybe "wrong" is not a good word, is it better to say "it's not right"?
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Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: May 05 2023 at 06:50
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: May 05 2023 at 07:12
If 2 or 3 more Special Collabs or Reviewers decided to write even moderately good reviews for the album, that would probably lift it up the pecking order...
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 05 2023 at 07:14
I don't know about that, not much love in the early Yes (with Peter Banks) I've noticed, hope I'm wrong...
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 05 2023 at 07:37
Now I'm confused. On my link it shows Asterix at #250.  https://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=&syears=1970&scountries=&sminratings=10&smaxratings=0&sminavgratings=2&smaxresults=250&x=61&y=4#list" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=&syears=1970&scountries=&sminratings=10&smaxratings=0&sminavgratings=2&smaxresults=250&x=61&y=4#list
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 05 2023 at 07:44
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209 https://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=&syears=1970&scountries=&sminratings=20&smaxratings=0&sminavgratings=2&smaxresults=250&x=0&y=0#list" rel="nofollow - https://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=&syears=1970&scountries=&sminratings=20&smaxratings=0&sminavgratings=2&smaxresults=250&x=0&y=0#list 161 https://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=&syears=1970&scountries=&sminratings=30&smaxratings=0&sminavgratings=2&smaxresults=250&x=0&y=0#list" rel="nofollow - https://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=&syears=1970&scountries=&sminratings=30&smaxratings=0&sminavgratings=2&smaxresults=250&x=0&y=0#list 135 https://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=&syears=1970&scountries=&sminratings=40&smaxratings=0&sminavgratings=2&smaxresults=250&x=0&y=0#list" rel="nofollow - https://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=&syears=1970&scountries=&sminratings=40&smaxratings=0&sminavgratings=2&smaxresults=250&x=0&y=0#list 116 https://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=&syears=1970&scountries=&sminratings=50&smaxratings=0&sminavgratings=2&smaxresults=250&x=0&y=0#list" rel="nofollow - https://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=&syears=1970&scountries=&sminratings=50&smaxratings=0&sminavgratings=2&smaxresults=250&x=0&y=0#list 61 https://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=&syears=1970&scountries=&sminratings=100&smaxratings=0&sminavgratings=2&smaxresults=250&x=0&y=0#list" rel="nofollow - https://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=&syears=1970&scountries=&sminratings=100&smaxratings=0&sminavgratings=2&smaxresults=250&x=0&y=0#list |
Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: May 05 2023 at 07:51
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You could put them on one, if you wish... https://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=&syears=1970&scountries=&sminratings=1500&smaxratings=1600&sminavgratings=2&smaxresults=250&x=68&y=7#list" rel="nofollow - https://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=&syears=1970&scountries=&sminratings=1500&smaxratings=1600&sminavgratings=2&smaxresults=250&x=68&y=7#list And I have to say, aside from all the jokes, that I really like this album!
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 05 2023 at 07:55
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^ it also depends on " |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 05 2023 at 08:00
Crikey! I had no idea I was entering a Land of Confusion when I started cataloguing PA's annual lists of top albums, considering all five of those lists above are the Spitting Image of each other. I prefer the fifth list where Time and a Word is at #61.  The question now though is how did you manage to find five different top albums lists when I've only ever found one list for each year? |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: May 06 2023 at 08:18
Two different lists - I get Asterix at 250 on your one Paul but Yes on suitkees' one. Don't know what the difference is though.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 06 2023 at 08:23
the lists look different, depends on how Minimum Number of Ratings is set.
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Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: May 06 2023 at 09:15
Bad alcoorithm 
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Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: May 06 2023 at 09:39
Manipulation of "alcoorithm"...  ------------- The razamataz is a pain in the bum |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: May 06 2023 at 10:04
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The lists here are defective I’m a huge fan of the first two Yes albums -------------  https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 06 2023 at 10:09
this whole thread is defective I also love early Yes. Time and a Word was one of the first Yes albums I listened to long ago, along with The Yes Album.
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Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: May 06 2023 at 10:19
The early Yes albums are incredible imho ------------- Friedrich Nietzsche: "Without music, life would be a mistake." Music Is Live Two people are better off than one, for they can help each other succeed. Keep Calm And Listen To The Music… < |
Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: May 06 2023 at 10:24
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 06 2023 at 10:29
Which reminds me that the debut YES album doesn't feature in PA's Top 100 Albums of 1969 either (it's at #120), so I'll have to do something about that by manipulating the algorithm until it produces the desired results, just like in politics.  https://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=&syears=1969&scountries=&sminratings=10&smaxratings=0&sminavgratings=2&smaxresults=250&x=70&y=6#list" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=&syears=1969&scountries=&sminratings=10&smaxratings=0&sminavgratings=2&smaxresults=250&x=70&y=6#list
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 06 2023 at 10:38
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Thanks for everyone's help in solving the mystery of the missing YES album, which also had the added benefit of me learning how to spell "ALGORITHM" - and not "algorhythm".
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Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: May 06 2023 at 10:39
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^ Easy: https://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=&syears=1969&scountries=&sminratings=17&smaxratings=0&sminavgratings=2&smaxresults=250&x=71&y=0#list" rel="nofollow - https://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=&syears=1969&scountries=&sminratings=17&smaxratings=0&sminavgratings=2&smaxresults=250&x=71&y=0#list ------------- The razamataz is a pain in the bum |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 06 2023 at 10:46
The Top 100 for 1969 is looking a lot better already and I now know how to manipulate the statistics in such a way that the debut YES album is now at #4 in the chart - although the downside is that there are only four albums in the chart, so it's essentially a Top 4. https://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=&syears=1969&scountries=&sminratings=1500&smaxratings=0&sminavgratings=2&smaxresults=250&x=57&y=5#list" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=&syears=1969&scountries=&sminratings=1500&smaxratings=0&sminavgratings=2&smaxresults=250&x=57&y=5#list
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Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: May 06 2023 at 10:53
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^ So, you know now how to get it on number 1! When you set the filters on a basic minimum (minimum ratings on 1, avg. rating on 1) the album even ends up on spot 154. When you prefer to select more "popular" prog and set - for example - the minimal ratings on 100, it ends op on #31... It's up to... ------------- The razamataz is a pain in the bum |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 06 2023 at 11:11
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^ Yes, thanks to you, I now know how to get the album to number one (with no other albums in the chart) by manipulating the alcorhythm, or something like that. http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=&syears=1970&scountries=&sminratings=1500&smaxratings=1600&sminavgratings=2&smaxresults=250&x=68&y=7#list" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=&syears=1970&scountries=&sminratings=1500&smaxratings=1600&sminavgratings=2&smaxresults=250&x=68&y=7#list
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: May 07 2023 at 03:22
I tend to disregard these things, since "I was there", and had the album, which I bought immediately after I got "The Yes Album". My biggest issue with reviews and ratings is that too many of them are done strictly by "preference", thus, something not being there is not a surprise. But anyone ... in the past 20 years, rating that album, and ranking it, is not likely to give it as good a review and ranking, as it might have had at the time, and place. I did not think the album was a "good" or "great" as "The Yes Album", but it got my ears ... but since I do not rank/rate things at all, I prefer to say that is is an enjoyable album ... another one of many that shows a band getting better and then all of a sudden explode with their next album. If the rankings and ratings took on some more of the time and place, I might enjoy it much, but I am not sure that many of us here are time travelers. I fly, and time travel with all music, going as far back as Vivaldi ... not sure why earlier stuff doesn't do that for me, but it has the feeling that it is not exactly "music" as it became after the Albinoni's, and Vivaldi's and such. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: telefunk
Date Posted: May 07 2023 at 11:14
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Time & a Word is an orchestral experiment that didn't entirely christalise. Thus it is my least favourite of the first three. Thereafter they nailed it good and hard! As for ratings: I compare to absolute standards like Bach or Beatles, to name a select few. So practically nothing can attain 5 stars except Yes, Zappa and some other übergeniuses.
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Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: May 07 2023 at 11:32
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 07 2023 at 12:03
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I've learned more about algorithms in the last couple of days than I ever learnt during five years of maths lessons at school.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: May 08 2023 at 08:14
Hi, Nice. At least this list is more like it and enjoyable for its variety ... but it has a wonderful amount of very nice things deserving of mention. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: May 08 2023 at 10:27
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We had the same kind of discussion not so long ago: https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=130792" rel="nofollow - https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=130792 |