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Topic: Magnificent Excess: The Story of ELPPosted By: Psychedelic Paul
Subject: Magnificent Excess: The Story of ELP
Date Posted: March 04 2023 at 07:58
Magnificent Excess: The Story of Emerson, Lake & Palmer:- Pictures of three exhibitionists at the height of their fame making an exhibition of themselves - so to speak - in this entertaining and revealing documentary film from ELP's 40th Anniversary Concert DVD in 2010, where it's revealed that ELP stands for "Everybody Loves Potatoes", especially Greg Lake, whose nickname is "Spud", although that's probably because he resembled Mr. Potato Man in his later years, bless him.
After the documentary, it's Welcome Back My Friends to the blogs that never end. Come inside, come inside, and enjoy more Pictures at an Exhibition from ELP's aforementioned 40th Anniversary Concert, posted below. If you believe in The Power of Three, then you'll believe in the awesome Trilogy of Emerson, Lake & Palmer, and if you include ELP's full Works, there were two short-lived offshoots of the dynamic Tarkus trio too: Emerson, Lake & Powell and Emerson, Berry & Palmer, otherwise known as "3". I've been In the Hot Seat recently for showing some love towards the much-maligned Love Beach album - an album which was about as welcome amongst ELP fans as an ominous Black Moon on the horizon. The cheesy Beach Gees album cover and album title admittedly looks and sounds like a third-rate reality TV show, and it probably is. I'm thinking "Love Island", which is close enough.
Coming up... ELP's Complete Works, including:- Emerson Lake & Powell; "3" (Emerson, Berry & Palmer); and all of the collective solo works of Keith Emerson; Greg Lake; Carl Palmer; Cozy Powell; Robert Berry, and The Nice!
Replies: Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: March 04 2023 at 08:36
EMERSON, LAKE & PALMER'S COMPLETE WORKS
1970: Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Emerson, Lake & Palmer - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LupA_HcmerhVcS72ZRm6z5f" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LupA_HcmerhVcS72ZRm6z5f
1970: Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Live at the Lyceum Theatre - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LsLAtaXzZYNdphJ2K31sGlg" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LsLAtaXzZYNdphJ2K31sGlg
1971: Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Pictures at an Exhibition - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lvtxv-_M990EeRAYs0262c7" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lvtxv-_M990EeRAYs0262c7
1973: Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Brain Salad Surgery - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k0hQMgNN7BQdyXhurRMojLEASGtZlbdGo" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k0hQMgNN7BQdyXhurRMojLEASGtZlbdGo
1974: Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Welcome Back My Friends to the Show That Never Ends - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lv08PZL5CkZsjxcHJy6ILWj" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lv08PZL5CkZsjxcHJy6ILWj
1974: Emerson, Lake & Palmer - California Jam - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvlDSW-XWwVXoVF_-v5U5Nj" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvlDSW-XWwVXoVF_-v5U5Nj
1977: Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Works Volume 1 - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtbMMJU_ueOBFsKScckwbjp" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtbMMJU_ueOBFsKScckwbjp
1977: Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Works Volume 2 - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtyTIWpaQ-4akV2z3B9c3RL" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtyTIWpaQ-4akV2z3B9c3RL
1977: Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Live in Montreal - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lt48UNkRvvhF-HpmWCpEM5U" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lt48UNkRvvhF-HpmWCpEM5U
1978: Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Love Beach - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvU2i83JQfiswmBTTaAyhB5" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvU2i83JQfiswmBTTaAyhB5
1979: Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Works Live in Concert - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LubGEipGTTCOJXyJnyDqiAw" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LubGEipGTTCOJXyJnyDqiAw
1986: Emerson, Lake & Powell - Emerson, Lake & Powell - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtKb2sKbN9e7RqzfFtnb3k0" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtKb2sKbN9e7RqzfFtnb3k0
1988: 3 (Emerson, Berry & Palmer) - To the Power of Three - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvwwylCrJEuChC68BBpb9pt" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvwwylCrJEuChC68BBpb9pt
1992: Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Black Moon - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvKlKtnIef2L-sKwWozM6Dh" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvKlKtnIef2L-sKwWozM6Dh
1993: Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Live at the Royal Albert Hall - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lu1SH2fMU-LN405jSagHGzD" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lu1SH2fMU-LN405jSagHGzD
1994: Emerson, Lake & Palmer - In the Hot Seat - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LsRElYTXER7YSEMhEIOmP3D" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LsRElYTXER7YSEMhEIOmP3D
1997: Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Live at Montreux - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtwKNdYm3zjUe82cvjEujZ" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtwKNdYm3zjUe82cvjEujZ _
1988: Keith Emerson - The Christmas Album - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lt4gDG3msPdTxltfryLs7-o" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lt4gDG3msPdTxltfryLs7-o
1989: Keith Emerson & Goblin - La Chiesa (The Church) (soundtrack) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LsZX9l_o_BAtkBmTrZWfqjV" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LsZX9l_o_BAtkBmTrZWfqjV
1995: Keith Emerson - Changing States - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LuJ3BMA_KV3YFU2lmRfkK2F" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LuJ3BMA_KV3YFU2lmRfkK2F
2002: Keith Emerson - Emerson Plays Emerson - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lt0j8DJ2s8J4nOwFvBGxD19" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lt0j8DJ2s8J4nOwFvBGxD19
2006: Keith Emerson - Off the Shelf - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lum1oebiQKKLpJylA_ubkhh" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lum1oebiQKKLpJylA_ubkhh
2008: Keith Emerson Band - Featuring Mark Bonilla - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvKUkutZDmdgJegCFgosX24" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvKUkutZDmdgJegCFgosX24
2009: Keith Emerson, Glenn Hughes & Mark Bonilla - Boys Club: Live from California - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtSNDgsu1RPemxmUSSgRf8R" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtSNDgsu1RPemxmUSSgRf8R
2010: Keith Emerson Band - Live in Moscow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lv0udqH3maPISwzwAC5rE1b" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lv0udqH3maPISwzwAC5rE1b
2012: Keith Emerson Band - Three Fates Project - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LuaNbvbnr5eMdR-G-zaESmu" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LuaNbvbnr5eMdR-G-zaESmu
2014: Keith Emerson & Greg Lake - Live from Manticore Hall - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LuQDyxtfWSlA3b7iNCSxT3w" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LuQDyxtfWSlA3b7iNCSxT3w
1981: Greg Lake - Greg Lake - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtcaOCa4wT-YJtjuWfjqNst" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtcaOCa4wT-YJtjuWfjqNst
1983: Greg Lake - Manoeuvres - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtBWId24f-kRPRAhd8nJ09r" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtBWId24f-kRPRAhd8nJ09r
1995: Greg Lake - In Concert: London '81 - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lsbn7iNYLqu6mPist4nF8YB" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lsbn7iNYLqu6mPist4nF8YB
1997: Greg Lake - From the Beginning: Retrospective - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtDjlZFDvvQ-THExFc8UpCb" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtDjlZFDvvQ-THExFc8UpCb
2006: Greg Lake - Live - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtuJOtx5fF-pKhYoGmn3aZ3" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtuJOtx5fF-pKhYoGmn3aZ3
2013: Greg Lake - Songs of a Lifetime - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvZuB-AOsFRb2jNrOvK6ZPU" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvZuB-AOsFRb2jNrOvK6ZPU
2015: Greg Lake & Geoff Downes - Ride the Tiger - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LsBdyiJSuH-ZpGTmKtPRip" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LsBdyiJSuH-ZpGTmKtPRip -
2017: Greg Lake - Live in Piacenza - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvCPKD24GagW39f3NBan6Un" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvCPKD24GagW39f3NBan6Un
2020: Greg Lake - The Anthology: A Musical Journey - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lt5pfJbwAmCf2LteKr6gYwv" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lt5pfJbwAmCf2LteKr6gYwv
1992: Cozy Powell - The Drums Are Back - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CQuwGeCkT4" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CQuwGeCkT4
1998: Cozy Powell - Especially for You - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRqf53VfwCs" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRqf53VfwCs
2008: Cozy Powell - Alive in Studio III: The Phenomena Years - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpP84nEcIy8" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpP84nEcIy8
1985: Robert Berry - Back to Back - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvXlICzvcKo" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvXlICzvcKo
1992: Robert Berry - Pilgrimage to a Point - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3yEsWoYBIk" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3yEsWoYBIk
1994: Robert Berry - In These Eyes
1995: Robert Berry - Takin' It Back - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV96p_FMXmk" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV96p_FMXmk
1999: Robert Berry - A Soundtrack for the Wheel of Time - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kruuxgJat1Nmzuu0l5YRMYEA95XFDCEnU" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kruuxgJat1Nmzuu0l5YRMYEA95XFDCEnU
2002: Robert Berry's December People - Sounds Like Christmas - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8BAiQ1UrbA" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8BAiQ1UrbA
2006: Robert Berry - Prime Cuts - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k3LLn62ka8oFzq4c7yhcau0fJsGsJiBlQ" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k3LLn62ka8oFzq4c7yhcau0fJsGsJiBlQ
2008: Robert Berry - The Dividing Line
1968: The Nice - The Thoughts of Emerlist Davjack - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvszOvt-hB0xo24qHZuvnSI" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvszOvt-hB0xo24qHZuvnSI
1968: The Nice - Ars Longa Vita Brevis - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Ls_1uyqkLCuyFL39nTFnF-W" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Ls_1uyqkLCuyFL39nTFnF-W
1969: The Nice - Nice - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lv2LylcpR3ErWkYrlYRgDUb" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lv2LylcpR3ErWkYrlYRgDUb
1970: The Nice - Five Bridges - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvG_xXyk6DDYfpJc7Oqd5iC" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvG_xXyk6DDYfpJc7Oqd5iC
1971: The Nice - Elegy - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Ls-bcBjfIm_VMERMLSIFEfU" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Ls-bcBjfIm_VMERMLSIFEfU
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: March 04 2023 at 09:21
My faves are
1970: Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Emerson, Lake & Palmer
1971: Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Tarkus
1971: Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Pictures at an Exhibition
1972: Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Trilogy
1973: Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Brain Salad Surgery
------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: March 04 2023 at 09:26
^ That's a much more sensible-looking list than my ELP Top 10.
1. Works Volume 1 - 10/10
2. Black Moon - 10/10
3. Emerson, Lake & Palmer - 9/10
4. Emerson, Lake & Powell - 9/10
5. Tarkus - 8/10
6. Pictures at an Exhibition - 8/10
7. Love Beach - 7/10
8. Works Volume 2 - 7/10
9. Welcome Back My Friends -6/10
10. Trilogy - 6/10
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: March 04 2023 at 09:32
^ You said it but these don't look so bad, as I see it:
3. Emerson, Lake & Palmer - 9/10
5. Tarkus - 8/10
6. Pictures at an Exhibition - 8/10
------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: March 04 2023 at 09:40
David_D wrote:
^ You said it but these don't look so bad, as I see it:
3. Emerson, Lake & Palmer - 9/10
5. Tarkus - 8/10
6. Pictures at an Exhibition - 8/10
Yes, it's not a bad list if you ignore Love Beach, which most ELP fans do anyway.
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: March 04 2023 at 12:18
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Yes, it's not a bad list if you ignore Love Beach, which most ELP fans do anyway.
Yes, Love Beach is surely not the most beloved album, and anyway, nothing new about people having different preferences.
------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: March 04 2023 at 13:00
ELP Top 10 without Emerson, Lake & Powell? Say it ain't so!
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: March 04 2023 at 15:03
verslibre wrote:
ELP Top 10 without Emerson, Lake & Powell? Say it ain't so!
Emerson, Lake & Powell is #4 in my ELP Top 10.
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 05 2023 at 03:12
Happy to see some love for Works Vol One. I mentioned it on the double album thread, think its been unfairly maligned over the years, in some respects it's their Topographic Oceans, perhaps over-reaching but still massively ambitious and honestly not that bad.
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: March 05 2023 at 03:20
richardh wrote:
Happy to see some love for Works Vol One. I mentioned it on the double album thread, think its been unfairly maligned over the years, in some respects it's their Topographic Oceans, perhaps over-reaching but still massively ambitious and honestly not that bad.
Yes, it's an underrated album that deserves a Fanfare, albeit in an empty football stadium.
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 05 2023 at 04:44
Hi,
I just watched this again ... and I still have a tremendous amount of respect for their music and work. And, as Keith stated, the idiot that made the comment about him not being a composer, is just a rock groupie that has no idea what music is for him other than toilet paper. Keith did not deserve that criticism, but like all of us, he was also sensitive to it all, because even though ELP had a lot of "show" in the end, combined with the music it was an incredible experience that you will never see today with bands faking it out in badly designed lights and smoke bombs, and a casual explosion here and there to make it look like a wow. These light shows are meaningless and have no sense of anything ... except, supposedly, trying to excite you into thinking that what they are doing is valuable and important ... and in the GREAT BANDS? A line by itself is better and sometimes more important than the lights or the show itself!
While I could say that I miss the "quality" of the music in the time it was done, in the last 30 years I have not seen anything half as good or as strong ... other than maybe MAGMA, but perhaps they belong into another sphere of experience, which is a lot more than just the music itself.
I have said hundreds of times, you only have to hear Rachel Flowers do TARKUS in its entirety on the piano, to realize what a massive composition it is, but sadly, as much as DD appreciates it, he won't say that Keith put together a massive piano concerto ... which he should have to help bridge the gap between rock music and classical music ... those differences need to die.
ELP combined everything, and made it work. Maybe a synthesizer helped folks tune in to something new ... but in the end, it was the quality of the music that woke us up to it ... not an idiot saying Keith had no talent to be a composer.
------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com
Posted By: JD
Date Posted: March 05 2023 at 05:14
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
richardh wrote:
Happy to see some love for Works Vol One. I mentioned it on the double album thread, think its been unfairly maligned over the years, in some respects it's their Topographic Oceans, perhaps over-reaching but still massively ambitious and honestly not that bad.
Yes, it's an underrated album that deserves a Fanfare, albeit in an empty football stadium.
Just to be clear, the stadium, The Big O in Montreal, is a baseball stadium. Quebec doesn't have a football team.
EDIT
I stand corrected, I thought the Alouettes had folded. It's been that long since I even watched the CFL. All I remembered was the Expos, but it was them that folded in 2004. Please accept my apology.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: March 05 2023 at 08:15
^ Okay, I had no idea it was filmed at a baseball stadium in Montreal. I'll hand in my prog card at the door on my way out.
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: March 05 2023 at 11:17
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
verslibre wrote:
ELP Top 10 without Emerson, Lake & Powell? Say it ain't so!
^ Okay, I had no idea it was filmed at a baseball stadium in Montreal. I'll hand in my prog card at the door on my way out.
From Wikipedia...August 1977 show at the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic_Stadium_%28Montreal%29" rel="nofollow - Olympic Stadium
in Montreal that was attended by an estimated 78,000 people, the
highest attended Emerson, Lake & Palmer concert as a solo act.
*This is also a record for attendance at the Big O that stands to this day.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 05 2023 at 21:32
they looked so cool in that video and such a contrast to the trendy spikey hair and angry young men of the time
Posted By: Cactus Choir
Date Posted: March 06 2023 at 04:17
Some more love for Works Volume 1 as it was the album that spiked my interest in ELP and prog rock in general. I really liked the eclecticism with a piano concerto, guitar balladry and jazz rock, then the final side with the Fanfare and Pirates epics.
The timing of the album couldn't have been much worse coming in the Summer of Punk. A double album called "Works Volume 1" featuring a piano concerto gave plenty of ammo for the prevailing narrative about "pretentious dinosaurs". It was just asking for a kicking from the Punk-fixated music press and that's what it got, even though the quality of the music is really good IMHO and it deserves better than the three-star rating it has on Progarchives.
And yeah they looked much cooler than Johnny Rotten or Joe Strummer in the Fanfare promo!
------------- "And now...on the drums...Mick Underwooooooooood!!!"
"He's up the pub"
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: March 06 2023 at 04:28
^ Well said! ELP and Prog have outlasted Punk by at least fifty years and counting and Johnny Rotten is now the butt of jokes, having been reduced to advertising Country Life butter to spread the cost of living.
Posted By: Cactus Choir
Date Posted: March 06 2023 at 04:37
^ When I first saw the Sex Pistols on Top of the Pops Mr Rotten reminded me of the comedian Norman Wisdom. "Anarchy Mr Grimsdale!"
------------- "And now...on the drums...Mick Underwooooooooood!!!"
"He's up the pub"
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: March 06 2023 at 04:42
Cactus Choir wrote:
^ When I first saw the Sex Pistols on Top of the Pops Mr Rotten reminded me of the comedian Norman Wisdom. "Anarchy Mr Grimsdale!"
You just reminded me of Robbie Williams, who thinks he's the new Frank Sinatra, but in reality, he's more like the old Norman Wisdom.
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: March 06 2023 at 07:56
My Top 10 ELP Songs (in alphabetical order)
All I Want is You
Burning Bridges
Fanfare for the Common Man
The Great Gates of Kiev
I Believe in Father Christmas
Jerusalem
Lucky Man
Piano Concerto No. 1
Romeo and Juliet
Take a Pebble
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: March 06 2023 at 08:33
Are you ready to Dance with the Devil? I've heard he has all the best tunes, and this amazing tribute to Cozy Powell is no exception.
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: March 06 2023 at 11:08
COZY POWELL A legendary drummer who's been in more bands than you can shake a drumstick at. On the rainy evening of 5 April 1998, Cozy Powell danced with the devil one too many times when, having had a few drinks and not wearing a seat-belt, he drove his Saab 9000 at over 100mph on the M4 motorway with a defective tyre in appalling weather at night-time, whilst chatting with his girlfriend on a mobile phone. Somewhat inevitably, one of the defective tyres blew out and Cozy's last words (reported by his girlfriend) were "Oh s**t!" followed by a loud bang.
1986: Emerson, Lake & Powell - Emerson, Lake & Powell - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtKb2sKbN9e7RqzfFtnb3k0" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtKb2sKbN9e7RqzfFtnb3k0
1979: Cozy Powell - Over the Top - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOZIdAeS-ZU" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOZIdAeS-ZU
1992: Cozy Powell - The Drums Are Back - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CQuwGeCkT4" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CQuwGeCkT4
1998: Cozy Powell - Especially for You - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRqf53VfwCs" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRqf53VfwCs
2008: Cozy Powell - Alive in Studio III: The Phenomena Years - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpP84nEcIy8" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpP84nEcIy8
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: March 06 2023 at 11:35
^I love those solo Cozy albums, especially Over the Top.
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: March 06 2023 at 11:41
^ Admittedly, I'd never listened to any of Cozy Powell's albums up until today and I also discovered he's listed on Prog Archives too (under Jazz Rock/Fusion).
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: March 06 2023 at 17:02
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
^ Admittedly, I'd never listened to any of Cozy Powell's albums up until today and I also discovered he's listed on Prog Archives too (under Jazz Rock/Fusion).
Better late than never, right? I like the first three best, but they're all good. Cozy was an exceptional talent who left us far too soon.
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 07 2023 at 07:34
I guess its doesn't do any harm to repeat the much told anecdote that Cozy turned up to his first audition for ELP without his drumsticks, but still got the job anyway. I prefer listening to the Sprocket Sessions for my ELPowell fix rather than the studio album which felt way over the top production even for ELP. Shame they didn't do another album but as soon as Palmer completed his contractual obligations with Asia then it was back to the original line up.
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: March 07 2023 at 07:48
verslibre wrote:
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
^ Admittedly, I'd never listened to any of Cozy Powell's albums up until today and I also discovered he's listed on Prog Archives too (under Jazz Rock/Fusion).
Better late than never, right? I like the first three best, but they're all good. Cozy was an exceptional talent who left us far too soon.
Yes, it was well-worth the wait too, especially for Cozy's OTT debut album. The title of Cozy Powell's third album - Octopuss - reminded me of Procol Harum's drummer B.J. Wilson, who was once described as being like an octopus in a bathtub, mainly because he usually sat on a very low drum stool with arms flailing about all over the place, but always keeping perfect time.
Coming up next..... the forgotten member of the various ELP line-ups: Robert Berry.
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: March 07 2023 at 14:52
ROBERT BERRY A Californian singer and guitarist whose brief stint with supergroup GTR turned out to be fruitful when Berry met with Keith Emerson and Carl Palmer and they formed the imaginatively-named supergroup "3" together, when Emerson, Berry & Palmer would've been the more logical (and less confusing) choice of band-name. Unfortunately, the "supergroup" turned out to be not so super when barely anyone was "Talkin' 'Bout" their one and only album "To the Power of Three" in the year of its release in 1988, when the album virtually sank without trace - until many years later when "3" reappeared on ProgArchives and YouTube with a new resurgence of interest - although not always positive, it has to be said.
1988: 3 (Emerson, Berry & Palmer) - To the Power of Three - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvwwylCrJEuChC68BBpb9pt" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvwwylCrJEuChC68BBpb9pt
1985: Robert Berry - Back to Back - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvXlICzvcKo" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvXlICzvcKo
1992: Robert Berry - Pilgrimage to a Point - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3yEsWoYBIk" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3yEsWoYBIk
1994: Robert Berry - In These Eyes
1995: Robert Berry - Takin' It Back - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV96p_FMXmk" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV96p_FMXmk
1999: Robert Berry - A Soundtrack for the Wheel of Time - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kruuxgJat1Nmzuu0l5YRMYEA95XFDCEnU" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kruuxgJat1Nmzuu0l5YRMYEA95XFDCEnU
2002: Robert Berry's December People - Sounds Like Christmas - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8BAiQ1UrbA" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8BAiQ1UrbA
2006: Robert Berry - Prime Cuts - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k3LLn62ka8oFzq4c7yhcau0fJsGsJiBlQ" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k3LLn62ka8oFzq4c7yhcau0fJsGsJiBlQ
2008: Robert Berry - The Dividing Line
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 08 2023 at 01:13
^ there are 2 more albums by Robert Berry under the moniker of '3'. The second one had the last remaining Keith Emerson material as he was closely collaborating with Berry before his sad demise. Worth checking out.
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: March 22 2023 at 13:07
1970: Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Emerson, Lake & Palmer - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LupA_HcmerhVcS72ZRm6z5f" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LupA_HcmerhVcS72ZRm6z5f
I feel such a Lucky Man to have been there From the Beginning with ELP.
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: March 25 2023 at 12:13
1970: Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Live at the Lyceum Theatre - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LsLAtaXzZYNdphJ2K31sGlg" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LsLAtaXzZYNdphJ2K31sGlg
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: March 26 2023 at 11:13
1974: Emerson, Lake & Palmer - California Jam - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvlDSW-XWwVXoVF_-v5U5Nj" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvlDSW-XWwVXoVF_-v5U5Nj
ELP at the California Jam in 1974 with Greg Lake singing "Still You Turn Me On" - a song which features the immortal lines:- "Every day a little sadder, A little madder, Someone get me a ladder" - although it's still the best song on the Brain Salad Surgery album, but probably belongs on the Love Beach album, in all honesty.
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: March 26 2023 at 12:35
Greg Lake: a picture of an exhibitionist doing what he does best at Stevenage Concert Hall, Hertfordshire back in 2005.
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: March 26 2023 at 13:05
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
^ Admittedly, I'd never listened to any of Cozy Powell's albums up until today and I also discovered he's listed on Prog Archives too (under Jazz Rock/Fusion).
He did the drums on my two favorite Jeff Beck group lps....Rough and Ready and 1972 JB GRoup 'Ice Cream Cakes' lp. Killer job...the band broke up or I assume there would have been more lps.
------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 27 2023 at 08:27
and it was Ritchie Blackmore that persuaded him out of retirement. Stargazer is still one of the best exhibitions of hard rock drumming I can think of, for me he had no peers in that dept.
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 27 2023 at 08:29
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Greg Lake: a picture of an exhibitionist doing what he does best at Stevenage Concert Hall, Hertfordshire back in 2005.
Strictly Come Dancing fans will note a certain David Arch playing keys. I went to the gig at Orpington on that tour and still have the programme.
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 23 2023 at 11:16
Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Welcome back my friends to the concert documentaries that never end: Pictures of three exhibitionists making a comeback in 1991.
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 24 2023 at 20:43
Hi,
Interesting comment in the special that kinda makes sense, and I'm not sure how we really look at it ... the comment about creating music for the stage, as opposed to create it for your imagination. That's usually two completely different things, since not many of the things that we hear (specially today as an example of the 2023 listings), are actually designed for the stage. They were, let's say, home studio designed and thought about ... the presentation of a lot of things takes a bit different dimension ... as is the case if you were reading a poem, and tomorrow you would say it differently, because it felt different.
I, for example, don't write for an audience, as I write strictly to what I see in my inner movie, and make sure I get all the details out of it as much as possible. I suppose that this can be not the "thing" for many folks that are used to things they know and are familiar with. In my "movie" I don't know what it is familiar or not, I am too tied up simply translating what is coming through ...
For the time, the presentation side of it, was important, since classical music concerts were known to be ... quite boring, specially to a rock audience. But the value and quality of the work has to be present, or it falls on its face.
------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 24 2023 at 23:46
It was nice to see ELP on the Black Moon tour back in the 90's. It was my first chance to see them and I wasn't going to miss out. At the time I felt Black Moon was a 'killer' album and I happily devoured it. In the context of music around at then it was great to see a band with clarity of purpose and totally comfortable with themselves. There was no posturing or over indulgence in keyboard stacks and massive drum sets (Palmer had quite a small pare downed kit at this time). I loved it and it was pure enjoyment. That said I don't listen to any of their 90's stuff (live or studio) any more. It's just way too 'safe' compared to classic era ELP.
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: November 25 2023 at 00:03
richardh wrote:
It was nice to see ELP on the Black Moon tour back in the 90's. It was my first chance to see them and I wasn't going to miss out. At the time I felt Black Moon was a 'killer' album and I happily devoured it. In the context of music around at then it was great to see a band with clarity of purpose and totally comfortable with themselves. There was no posturing or over indulgence in keyboard stacks and massive drum sets (Palmer had quite a small pare downed kit at this time). I loved it and it was pure enjoyment. That said I don't listen to any of their 90's stuff (live or studio) any more. It's just way too 'safe' compared to classic era ELP.
I was lucky enough to have seen them on that tour, as well, at the Ottawa Congress Centre in early January, 1993. For me, too, it was something I refused to miss out on. They had not played Ottawa since 1971 (I was only 9 then) The Congress Centre was a fairly intimate venue and atmosphere with all seating on one level, so I could see everything that nite quite nicely. Excellent and memorable show, it was.
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: November 25 2023 at 12:32
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 25 2023 at 14:54
As I guess it's well-known by this point of time,
true dinosaurs are not of big interest of mine.
------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: November 25 2023 at 16:15
I like the pachycephalosaurus. It just rolls off the tongue like a bitmap of beans.
------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 26 2023 at 03:36
David_D wrote:
As I guess it's well-known by this point of time,
true dinosaurs are not of big interest of mine.
Actually, I keep away from them because otherwise, it would diminish my enjoyment and appreciation of their classic work.
------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 26 2023 at 09:14
David_D wrote:
David_D wrote:
As I guess it's well-known by this point of time,
true dinosaurs are not of big interest of mine.
Actually, I keep away from them because otherwise, it would diminish my enjoyment and appreciation of their classic work.
Good idea. Too much magnificent excess can be bad for you.
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 26 2023 at 09:34
progaardvark wrote:
I like the pachycephalosaurus. It just rolls off the tongue like a bitmap of beans.
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 26 2023 at 16:50
So there's something conservative in my tastes too, Paul.
------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
Posted By: MortSahlFan
Date Posted: November 27 2023 at 08:29
Always liked the documentary.. I'll check out the 40th anniversary concert (and the thread).
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: December 04 2023 at 05:24
THE NICE Cindy just reminded me again of ELP, which was Nice, and this is the original power trio who really take the biscuit! The Nice were the early progenitors of Emerson, Lake & Palmer, and could lay claim to being the first Symphonic Prog band, although Justin Hayward & John Lodge might have something to say about that. The Nice trio consisted of dagger-wielding keyboardist Keith Emerson, bassist and singer Lee Jackson, and drummer and Phil Collins lookalike, Brian 'Blinky' Davison. Lee Jackson later went onto even greater Heights by forming his own band, Every Which Way (which may or may not have inspired a Clint Eastwood movie), as well as forming Jackson Heights, and then lastly, Refugee in 1974 with drummer and Phil Collins lookalike, Brian Davison and Swiss keyboard wiz, Patrick Moraz. All in all then, a busy time was had by all, but it's Nice work if you can get it.
1968: The Nice - The Thoughts of Emerlist Davjack - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNE78JD7rl4" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNE78JD7rl4
1968: The Nice - Ars Longa Vita Brevis - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt99wLDaTVg" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt99wLDaTVg
1969: The Nice - Nice - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lv2LylcpR3ErWkYrlYRgDUb" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lv2LylcpR3ErWkYrlYRgDUb
1970: The Nice - Five Bridges - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvG_xXyk6DDYfpJc7Oqd5iC" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvG_xXyk6DDYfpJc7Oqd5iC
1971: The Nice - Elegy - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OMJXasuBe0" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OMJXasuBe0
1970: Brian Davison's Every Which Way - Every Which Way - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9qFDNGdTdI" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9qFDNGdTdI
1970: Jackson Heights - King Progress - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LsbOW894VWhOztHDxA1VXr5" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LsbOW894VWhOztHDxA1VXr5
1972: Jackson Heights - 5th Avenue Bus - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LuarXkVTS-0ORyeZSloT7ru" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LuarXkVTS-0ORyeZSloT7ru
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 04 2023 at 10:43
^ 5 stars for Refugee
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: December 04 2023 at 11:03
richardh wrote:
^ 5 stars for Refugee
Someday, I may get around to listening to Refugee again, but in the meantime, here's a review I prepared earlier, in the tradition of Blue Peter.
Janet Ellis:- Here's one she made earlier - Sophie Ellis Bextor
REFUGEE were a short-lived Symphonic Prog threesome from London. You could be forgiven for thinking Phil Collins was a member of Refugee, because the man in the middle on their one and only self-titled album cover from 1974 bears a striking resemblance to the Genesis drummer. There's no mistaking Swiss keyboard player Patrick Moraz on the right of the album cover though. He was brought in as a last-minute replacement for Keith Emerson, who was otherwise engaged with the Prog- Rock supergroup Emerson, Lake & Palmer at the time. The other two members of Refugee besides Patrick Moraz were both ex-members of The Nice:- Lee Jackson on bass, electric cello, electric guitar, 12-string acoustic guitar and lead vocals, and Brian Davison on drums and percussion, where "percussion" meant virtually anything the versatile drummer could lay his hands on, including tympani, various gongs, Tibetan temple bells, African drums, kabassa (whatever that is!?) and broken glass! Patrick Moraz wasn't exactly slacking in the keyboards department either with this very impressive array of keyboard instruments at his disposal:- Mini- moog, AKS synthesiser, piano, electric piano, clavinet, organ, pipe organ, marimbaphone, alpine horn, electronic slinky, mellotron, and occasional vocals too! Patrick Moraz would of course go on to be a member of YES and a "days of future passed" member of The Moody Blues. Who could forget the famous music trial of the century!? The sole Refugee album was recorded in 1974 at ART Studios in Geneva in Patrick Moraz' native Switzerland, so he would have felt right at home there, whereas the two English members of the band, Lee Jackson and Brian Davison were temporary "refugees".
The title of the imperious 5-minute-long opening number "Papillon" can have several meanings:- Either a black butterfly; a symbolic breaking free of societal restraints and restrictions; or even a toy breed of dog with large butterfly-like ears! One thing's for sure though, the "Papillon" on this album is no delicate butterfly. No, this is an aggressive and impressive Pictures at an Exhibition-style display of powerful keyboard prog in the best tradition of Emerson, Lake & Palmer. There's no shortage of classically-inspired, lightning-speed keyboard runs to be heard from Patrick Moraz in this tremendous instrumental album opener, which also features a storming salvo of machine-gun-like drumming from Brian Davison. Yes, it looks like we could be in for quite a treat here with this gloriously pompous one-off album of unashamedly exhibitionistic Symphonic Prog. On the second song "Someday", We get to hear the emotionally-wrought (and some might say "over-blown") vocals of Lee Jackson for the first time, which also features another incredible keyboard performance from Patrick Moraz before he went on to join YES for their "Relayer" album in late 1974. "Someday" is one of those grand magisterial prog epics that gathers in pace and intensity as it progresses, so it could be described as the true definition of Progressive Rock. If "Papillon" represented a symbolic breaking-free, then "Someday" continues the theme of liberation with the powerful message contained within these lyrics:- "Someday, I'll go away, Pack my bag, Get on a plane, I'll fly up through my cloud, I'll smash right through, Right into the sun." ..... This is the kind of powerfully uplifting feel-good prog that'll leave you flying high on a wave of joyous and exhilarating emotion. If you haven't quite reached seventh prog heaven yet, then the third piece of music might help get you there, because next up is the awesome 17-minute-long, "Grand Canyon" suite, the first of two epic suites on the album. This magnificent five-part magnum opus is every bit as grandiose and spectacular as the song title implies. Be prepared to be stunned by this brilliant landscape of dazzling musical colours. The outstanding "Grand Canyon" suite represents the musical equivalent of the real Grand Canyon bathed in rich golden colours at sunset.
The title of the Side Two opener "Ritt Mickley" is a humorous reference to the strong Swiss accent of Patrick Moraz when he pronounces "rhythmically". It's another 6-minute-long demonstration of ELP-style keyboard prog at it's absolute best, so you can expect another dazzling display of keyboard histrionics from Mr Moraz & Co. The final piece of music on the album is the second of the two epic suites. It's a thunderous 18-minute-long masterpiece titled "Credo". The majestic music is divided into eight movements of stunning symphonic splendour and delight, which just HAS to be heard to be believed. This is incredible!
You can't fail to be over-awed by this stunning display of ELP-style keyboard prog. This outstanding one-off album has a treasured place in the hallowed halls of ProgArchives. Refugee might not be in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, but they truly deserve to be included with full honours and flags flying with this very impressive powerhouse debut!
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: December 04 2023 at 13:14
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 04 2023 at 22:09
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
richardh wrote:
^ 5 stars for Refugee
Someday, I may get around to listening to Refugee again, but in the meantime, here's a review I prepared earlier, in the tradition of Blue Peter.
Janet Ellis:- Here's one she made earlier - Sophie Ellis Bextor
REFUGEE were a short-lived Symphonic Prog threesome from London. You could be forgiven for thinking Phil Collins was a member of Refugee, because the man in the middle on their one and only self-titled album cover from 1974 bears a striking resemblance to the Genesis drummer. There's no mistaking Swiss keyboard player Patrick Moraz on the right of the album cover though. He was brought in as a last-minute replacement for Keith Emerson, who was otherwise engaged with the Prog- Rock supergroup Emerson, Lake & Palmer at the time. The other two members of Refugee besides Patrick Moraz were both ex-members of The Nice:- Lee Jackson on bass, electric cello, electric guitar, 12-string acoustic guitar and lead vocals, and Brian Davison on drums and percussion, where "percussion" meant virtually anything the versatile drummer could lay his hands on, including tympani, various gongs, Tibetan temple bells, African drums, kabassa (whatever that is!?) and broken glass! Patrick Moraz wasn't exactly slacking in the keyboards department either with this very impressive array of keyboard instruments at his disposal:- Mini- moog, AKS synthesiser, piano, electric piano, clavinet, organ, pipe organ, marimbaphone, alpine horn, electronic slinky, mellotron, and occasional vocals too! Patrick Moraz would of course go on to be a member of YES and a "days of future passed" member of The Moody Blues. Who could forget the famous music trial of the century!? The sole Refugee album was recorded in 1974 at ART Studios in Geneva in Patrick Moraz' native Switzerland, so he would have felt right at home there, whereas the two English members of the band, Lee Jackson and Brian Davison were temporary "refugees".
The title of the imperious 5-minute-long opening number "Papillon" can have several meanings:- Either a black butterfly; a symbolic breaking free of societal restraints and restrictions; or even a toy breed of dog with large butterfly-like ears! One thing's for sure though, the "Papillon" on this album is no delicate butterfly. No, this is an aggressive and impressive Pictures at an Exhibition-style display of powerful keyboard prog in the best tradition of Emerson, Lake & Palmer. There's no shortage of classically-inspired, lightning-speed keyboard runs to be heard from Patrick Moraz in this tremendous instrumental album opener, which also features a storming salvo of machine-gun-like drumming from Brian Davison. Yes, it looks like we could be in for quite a treat here with this gloriously pompous one-off album of unashamedly exhibitionistic Symphonic Prog. On the second song "Someday", We get to hear the emotionally-wrought (and some might say "over-blown") vocals of Lee Jackson for the first time, which also features another incredible keyboard performance from Patrick Moraz before he went on to join YES for their "Relayer" album in late 1974. "Someday" is one of those grand magisterial prog epics that gathers in pace and intensity as it progresses, so it could be described as the true definition of Progressive Rock. If "Papillon" represented a symbolic breaking-free, then "Someday" continues the theme of liberation with the powerful message contained within these lyrics:- "Someday, I'll go away, Pack my bag, Get on a plane, I'll fly up through my cloud, I'll smash right through, Right into the sun." ..... This is the kind of powerfully uplifting feel-good prog that'll leave you flying high on a wave of joyous and exhilarating emotion. If you haven't quite reached seventh prog heaven yet, then the third piece of music might help get you there, because next up is the awesome 17-minute-long, "Grand Canyon" suite, the first of two epic suites on the album. This magnificent five-part magnum opus is every bit as grandiose and spectacular as the song title implies. Be prepared to be stunned by this brilliant landscape of dazzling musical colours. The outstanding "Grand Canyon" suite represents the musical equivalent of the real Grand Canyon bathed in rich golden colours at sunset.
The title of the Side Two opener "Ritt Mickley" is a humorous reference to the strong Swiss accent of Patrick Moraz when he pronounces "rhythmically". It's another 6-minute-long demonstration of ELP-style keyboard prog at it's absolute best, so you can expect another dazzling display of keyboard histrionics from Mr Moraz & Co. The final piece of music on the album is the second of the two epic suites. It's a thunderous 18-minute-long masterpiece titled "Credo". The majestic music is divided into eight movements of stunning symphonic splendour and delight, which just HAS to be heard to be believed. This is incredible!
You can't fail to be over-awed by this stunning display of ELP-style keyboard prog. This outstanding one-off album has a treasured place in the hallowed halls of ProgArchives. Refugee might not be in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, but they truly deserve to be included with full honours and flags flying with this very impressive powerhouse debut!
Nice!
Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: December 22 2023 at 07:47
If Roger Dean had come up with a Grand Canyon-like dreamscape for the cover, I bet the Refugee album would've sold a heap more.....or at least would've been heard at the time instead of dug out of the dollar bins by Yesfans after Moraz's gig on Relayer. The album deserved a better fate - it ain't groundbreaking but Moraz shines.....plus, I've always rooted for the Davjak portion of the Nice.
------------- I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there.....
Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: December 22 2023 at 15:28
IMO ELP made splendid (studio + live) albums up to BSS, and even the Ummagumma-esque Works vol.1 was just about palatable... but then the wheels fell off.
------------- 'We're going to need a bigger swear jar.'
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: December 22 2023 at 15:45
Floydoid wrote:
IMO ELP made splendid (studio + live) albums up to BSS, and even the Ummagumma-esque Works vol.1 was just about palatable... but then the wheels fell off.
The wheels came off and got stuck in the sand when ELP became the Beach Gees.
Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: December 22 2023 at 15:57
^Possibly the worst album cover by any artist in the Prog Archives.
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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: December 22 2023 at 16:17
By 'Discuss', what you meant was Disgusted...right?
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 23 2023 at 21:51
Floydoid wrote:
IMO ELP made splendid (studio + live) albums up to BSS, and even the Ummagumma-esque Works vol.1 was just about palatable... but then the wheels fell off.
They were still a hot live band even in 1978. I have the 2 CD set of them playing Wheeling, West Virginia and highly recommend it. So much better than the Works tour in all honest truth although Montreal 1977 was a great event. When they got back to the studio in 1978 they should have taken that energy and put it into a great album. The demos for Love Beach were promising espcially Canario and Memoir's but they were too intent on pushing a radio style album. That said I've always maintained that with decent production it could have been something. The album cover is now legendary for all the wrong reasons but to be fair they were good looking boys (for a prog band) so it wasn't totally an insane idea! I saw them play Top Of The Pops in 1978 (alongside the likes of Sarah Brightman and Hot Gossip) and it was all very surreal. They even had the Yamaha GX1 wheeled into the studio although Palmer's kit was very pared down if I remember right.
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 23 2023 at 21:58
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 23 2023 at 21:59
but this ELP as we know and love them
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: December 24 2023 at 07:45
^ Another classic performance.
To truly appreciate the awesome power of ELP, The Only Way is to take it From the Beginning again in 1970, long before they got sand in their shorts on Love Beach. Oh well, C'est La Vie.
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: December 24 2023 at 12:42
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
To truly appreciate the awesome power of ELP, The Only Way is to take it From the Beginning again in 1970, long before they got sand in their shorts on Love Beach. Oh well, C'est La Vie.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: August 20 2024 at 03:38
Emerson, Lake & Palmer on Love Beach
Greg Lake's take on the Love Beach cover photo :- "The cover was a departure for ELP, with a photograph of us smiling with bright-white teeth, chest hair on show and a background of a palm tree and clear skies. It was a shock to most of the fans after the likes of the H.R. Giger cover for Brain Salad Surgery. The cover said commercial MOR, not ELP. We looked like the Bee Gees on holiday."
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 20 2024 at 05:44
^Yep very interesting, I think they all sum it up well in that interview. IMO that album did untold damage to their legacy and resulted in so much negativity that they were severely downgraded from the legendary band they were in their heyday to a postscript that represented all that went wrong with the decade and prog in particular. Carl Palmer states that ELP's artistic peak was Brain Salad Surgery and that with that they were done. He is right.
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: August 20 2024 at 09:34
richardh wrote:
Carl Palmer states that ELP's artistic peak was Brain Salad Surgery and that with that they were done. He is right.
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: August 20 2024 at 11:54
David_D wrote:
As I guess it's well-known by this point of time,
true dinosaurs are not of big interest of mine.
Hi,
There are some things, in the arts, that are a once in a lifetime thing. You will never get another chance to see it, and RW redoing The Wall, completely distilled to nothing but a boring show, in the end, The original WALL was probably the last of the big must see things, but when you saw the film, the concert was no longer necessary and the film seemed better all around.
It was the same in the 60's. You were not going to get a 2nd chance to see Nureyev, and also later to see Misha and you had to grab your chance when it was there. The only bad thing is that you had to travel to the big city to catch these things ... because they would never be in a smaller place where the ability to even break even simply was not there.
A very sad, and disappointing comment by David_D ... and kinda denying an artist his/her work that deserves better respect, than being thought of as inconsequential and bad as so many in this commercial generation look at music from 60/50 years ago. It's OK to not like something, but it is very ___________ to say something like that.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 25 2024 at 10:49
Apparently it's a 'Happy 50th' to Welcome Back My Friends To The Show That Never Ends..
The album that summed up all the sheer brilliance, hubris and near out of control 'w**kery' of ELP in one very nice package. It even gets name checked on the show Loudermilk showing it's well embedded in popular culture. I remember taking the vinyl package to school around about 1977 but I just wasn't brave enough to put it on the common room record deck.