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Topic: Your fave Jazz-Rock bands around the world?Posted By: David_D
Subject: Your fave Jazz-Rock bands around the world?
Date Posted: January 29 2023 at 12:10
Inspired by Paul's two around-the-world threads, here's a third one,
and my fave bands from East to West are:
Stomu Yamash'ta (Japan)
Jukka Tolonen, Wigwam (Finland)
Made in Sweden (Sweden)
Burnin' Red Ivanhoe, Secret Oyster (Denmark)
Embryo, Out of Focus (Germany)
Fermata (Slovakia)
Korni Grupa (Serbia)
Accordo Dei Contrari (Italy)
Jean-Luc Ponty (France)
Iman Kalifato Independiente (Spain)
Osibisa (Africa)
Mahavishnu Orchestra, Return to Forever, Santana (USA)
If quite to follow PA's classification, I had listed Iconoclasta (Mexico) as well,
but I consider them more to be Symphonic than Jazz-Rock.
Enjoy it!
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Replies: Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: January 29 2023 at 12:22
I'll have to get back to you on this one, but I can tell you that Secret Oyster (Denmark) and Out of Focus (Germany) will be on my list too if I'm choosing one favourite Jazz Rock/Fusion band from each of ten countries.
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: January 29 2023 at 12:42
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
I'll have to get back to you on this one, but I can tell you that Secret Oyster (Denmark) and Out of Focus (Germany) will be on my list too if I'm choosing one favourite Jazz Rock/Fusion band from each of ten countries.
and preferably only Jazz-Rock, I've planned another thread for Jazz Fusion.
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: January 29 2023 at 13:10
elephant9 (Norway)
Jaga Jazzist (Norway)
Pekka Pohjola (Finland)
Forgas Band Phenomena (France)
Guillaume Perret & The Electric Epic (France)
Ghost Rhythms (France)
Accordo Dei Contrari (Italy)
Brown vs Brown (Netherlands)
------------- Ian
Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: January 29 2023 at 13:19
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
Accordo Deo Contrari (Italy)
I've forgotten this one on my list, so it's better to be added.
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Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: January 29 2023 at 13:43
Jean Luc Ponty : France Mingo Lewis : Cuba Joe Zawinul : Austria Michael Urbaniak : Poland Terje Rypdal : Norway Eberhardt Weber : Germany Jan Garbarek : Norway Manu Katché : France ( his works on ECM)
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: January 29 2023 at 13:55
mellotronwave wrote:
Jean Luc Ponty : France
and how could I forget this one?
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Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: January 29 2023 at 14:21
(The late) Didier Lockwood (France) (Violinist around 1975/76 with Magma ( see Their Live 1975)
Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: January 29 2023 at 14:31
David_D wrote:
mellotronwave wrote:
Jean Luc Ponty : France
and how could I forget this one?
No problem , here is an another one from France for the road
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: January 29 2023 at 14:31
Hiromi (Japan) Dewa Budjana (Indonesia) Pat Metheny and Chick Corea (USA) Allan Holdsworth (UK) Antoine Fafard (Canada) Virgil Donati (Australia) Jonas Hellborg (Sweden) Jan Akkerman (Netherlands) Alex Machaceck (Austria) On The Raw (Spain) Panzerballett (Germany) Jean-Luc Ponty (France) Sympozion (Israel)
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: January 29 2023 at 14:57
mellotronwave wrote:
David_D wrote:
mellotronwave wrote:
Jean Luc Ponty : France
and how could I forget this one?
No problem , here is an another one from France for the road
Fine, and JLP got on my list as well.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: January 29 2023 at 15:00
Grumpyprogfan wrote:
Hiromi (Japan) Dewa Budjana (Indonesia) Pat Metheny and Chick Corea (USA) Allan Holdsworth (UK) Antoine Fafard (Canada) Virgil Donati (Australia) Jonas Hellborg (Sweden) Jan Akkerman (Netherlands) Alex Machaceck (Austria) On The Raw (Spain) Panzerballett (Germany) Jean-Luc Ponty (France) Sympozion (Israel)
very nice with some bands well around the world
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Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: January 29 2023 at 17:10
Nice list from Grumpy.
Overall, how do you all look at Jazz Rock? Doo you all see it as a strict subcategory of Jazz Fusion. Or is there Jazz Rock, that isn't Jazz Fusion. Like, where do you place a band like Steely Dan?
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: January 29 2023 at 17:21
David_D wrote:
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
I'll have to get back to you on this one, but I can tell you that Secret Oyster (Denmark) and Out of Focus (Germany) will be on my list too if I'm choosing one favourite Jazz Rock/Fusion band from each of ten countries.
and preferably only Jazz-Rock, I've planned another thread for Jazz Fusion.
Thanks for clearing up the Con-Fusion. I'd be hard-pressed to name any Jazz Fusion artists I like, but I'm a big fan of Jazz Rock.
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 30 2023 at 01:56
Mostly only the big names but the only band I play regularly is Colosseum 11. Electric Savage and War Dance is pretty much all I need from this.
Recently started enjoying the Norwegian band Krokofant
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: January 30 2023 at 05:52
mathman0806 wrote:
Overall, how do you all look at Jazz Rock? Doo you all see it as a strict subcategory of Jazz Fusion. Or is there Jazz Rock, that isn't Jazz Fusion. Like, where do you place a band like Steely Dan?
Some very good questions.
I see Jazz-Rock and Jazz Fusion as two different categories, Jazz-Rock being more Rock-influenced while Jazz Fusion mostly Jazz-influenced, and also to higher degree having influences from other genres than Rock.
Then I distinguish between Progressive Jazz-Rock and non-Progressive Jazz-Rock, the latter one being less complex/experimental, like Steely Dan.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: January 30 2023 at 06:58
mellotronwave wrote:
...
Terje Rypdal : Norway Eberhardt Weber : Germany Jan Garbarek : Norway Manu Katché : France ( his works on ECM) ...
Hi,
Nice to see some ECM listed here, and if we look at their listing of albums we probably could add a lot more!!!!!.
Terje is the "odd one" here in that what he does is not exactly jazz-rock, but then it is not rock either, or jazz in a lot of the stuff he does. As an example, the odd one out, EOS is an example of Chamber Music with an electric guitar and electric bass and effects and the album is more ... about classical chamber music, than it is anything else ... (make sure to skip the first cut!!!).
Jan Garbarek is more pure jazz, but when you hear him with Gismonti and Haden, the story is very different. I like his experimental period in EVENTYR ... which is an incredible album, and many other things, and the trio's MAGICO is a very beautiful album, that defies jazz or rock ... it's just excellent music all around.
Egberto Gismonti deserves to be listed. I was thinking SANFONA is valuable here, but I wonder if people get lost when they hear the piano excursions, which I find outstanding. Of his albums, I prefer NO CAIPIRA, which is a sort of psychedelia meets Villa Lobos, meets Samba, meets Brazil, and meets heaven knows what ... it's way out there and the combination with the orchestra is just sick ... totally sick in its design and beauty. I often think it's pure Brazilian music, but I'm not sure that even fits ...
On the topic of Brazil ... Milton Nascimento was mostly jazz-rock, Moacir Santos I have not heard enough of as yet to say much, Airto Moreira was jazz-rock, although when it was around, I'm not sure that many could handle the Brazilian rhythm touch with the jazz-rock ... this was the case with a jazz guy at our local station that liked Airto (the one famous piece) but disliked the rest because it wasn't jazz enough! The kind of comment that makes you groan, right?
Some Japanese? Like Bondage Fruit? When I saw them in SF in 1999, I thought of this as Japanese jazz with a touch of rock, but (honestly) I have not listened to them since!
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: January 30 2023 at 07:36
David_D wrote:
Inspired by Paul's two around-the-world threads, here's a third one,
and my fave bands from East to West are:
But frankly speaking, Paul, I miss here listing albums, and I don't feel quite well with talking about "my fave bands" when I'm mostly just fond of one album from each of those bands/artists.
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: January 30 2023 at 07:58
moshkito wrote:
Some Japanese? Like Bondage Fruit? When I saw them in SF in 1999, I thought of this as Japanese jazz with a touch of rock, but (honestly) I have not listened to them since!
Bondage Fruit are a great band, I tend to place them in the Japanese Zeuhl arena with the likes of Koenjihyakkei, Happy Family, Amygdala, Le Silo, etc.
------------- Ian
Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: January 30 2023 at 10:21
moshkito wrote:
Nice to see some ECM listed here, and if we look at their listing of albums we probably could add a lot more!!!!!.
I'll do some adding in the next thread I've planned about Jazz Fusion.
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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: January 30 2023 at 17:08
I’m really digging Weather Report with the “Heavy Weather” album. I think it is the best Jazz fusion album I’ve ever heard.
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: January 31 2023 at 00:41
Let me suggest some of my favorite American bands!
Spyro Gyra
Kick the Cat (from Chicago!)
Pat Metheny Group
Dixie Dregs (often overlooked)
Return to Forever and their offspring!
Fareed Haque Group and his many projects i.e. Garaj Mahal
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: January 31 2023 at 02:03
progbethyname wrote:
I’m really digging Weather Report with the “Heavy Weather” album. I think it is the best Jazz fusion album I’ve ever heard.
But is it Jazz-Rock? - Even it doesn't have to matter that much.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: February 02 2023 at 07:33
I've been very fond of some Jazz-Rock albums from about the very beginning of my digging music in the first half of the '70s,
and most notably Birds of Fire, RtF's Where Have I Known...and Osibisa. But it was not until the '00s that I became interested
in Jazz-Rock from many different countries around the world which I in return have had very much pleasure of ever since.
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: February 02 2023 at 09:43
David_D wrote:
I've been very fond of some Jazz-Rock albums from about the very beginning of my digging music in the first half of the '70s,
and most notably Birds of Fire and RtF's Where Have I Known....But it was not until the '00s that I became interested
in Jazz-Rock from many different countries around the world which I in return have had very much pleasure of ever since.
Excellent! Sounds as if we have walked the same path! Of course, RtF led to my lifelong appreciation & love for the music by Al Dimeola, Stanley Clarke etc.
Here's a taste of Chicagoland's own Fareed Haque playing some M. Orchestra with the California Guitar Trio! Fareed turns on the burners about 2:40!
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: February 02 2023 at 10:27
Agora (Italy)
Brian Auger (UK)
Eela Craig (Austria)
Emergency (Multi-National)
Out of Focus (Germany)
Santana (Multi-National)
Secret Oyster (Denmark)
Shadowfax (USA)
Solution (The Netherlands)
Gabor Szabo (Hungary)
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: February 02 2023 at 10:55
great, Paul
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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: February 02 2023 at 12:48
David_D wrote:
<span style="white-space:pre"> </span>I've been very fond of some Jazz-Rock albums from about the very beginning of my digging music in the first half of the '70s,
<span style="white-space:pre"> </span>and most notably Birds of Fire, RtF's Where Have I Known...and Osibisa. But it was not until the '00s that I became interested
<span style="white-space:pre"> </span>in Jazz-Rock from many different countries around the world which I in return have had very much pleasure of ever since.
Yeah David. You may have a point. I think it may just be straight Jazz fusion. Very very accessible Jazz fusion.
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: February 02 2023 at 18:52
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Agora (Italy)
Brian Auger (UK)
Eela Craig (Austria)
Emergency (Multi-National)
Out of Focus (Germany)
Santana (Multi-National)
Secret Oyster (Denmark)
Shadowfax (USA)
Solution (The Netherlands)
Gabor Szabo (Hungary)
Thanks for adding Shadowfax, Paul!
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Posted By: Dapper~Blueberries
Date Posted: February 03 2023 at 10:46
There is only really one and that is Weather Report. Heavy Weather is a masterpiece of an album, same with Mysterious Traveller and Black Market. It is honestly a shame how underrated they are on the archives, they are on the same pedestal as bands like Santana and Mahavishnu Orchestra for me.
------------- D~B
Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: February 03 2023 at 12:03
Dapper~Blueberries wrote:
There is only really one and that is Weather Report. Heavy Weather is a masterpiece of an album, same with Mysterious Traveller and Black Market. It is honestly a shame how underrated they are on the archives, they are on the same pedestal as bands like Santana and Mahavishnu Orchestra for me.
Couldn’t agree with you more. Well said, sir.
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Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: February 18 2023 at 07:09
and preferably only Jazz-Rock, I've planned another thread for Jazz Fusion.
What???? Jazz Rock and Jazz Fusion are not the same thing? I'm confused.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 18 2023 at 07:17
Hrychu wrote:
and preferably only Jazz-Rock, I've planned another thread for Jazz Fusion.
What???? Jazz Rock and Jazz Fusion are not the same thing? I'm confused.
you're not the only one.
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: February 18 2023 at 08:32
Hrychu wrote:
and preferably only Jazz-Rock, I've planned another thread for Jazz Fusion.
What???? Jazz Rock and Jazz Fusion are not the same thing? I'm confused.
David_D wrote:
mathman0806 wrote:
Overall, how do you all look at Jazz Rock? Doo you all see it as a strict subcategory of Jazz Fusion. Or is there Jazz Rock, that isn't Jazz Fusion. Like, where do you place a band like Steely Dan?
Some very good questions.
I see Jazz-Rock and Jazz Fusion as two different categories, Jazz-Rock being more Rock-influenced while Jazz Fusion mostly Jazz-influenced, and also to higher degree having influences from other genres than Rock.
Then I distinguish between Progressive Jazz-Rock and non-Progressive Jazz-Rock, the latter one being less complex/experimental, like Steely Dan.
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: February 18 2023 at 09:46
Quite a thin line between jazz rock and fusion. This post may confuse you more. 😅
Jazz rock:
Jazz fusion:
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: February 18 2023 at 11:57
cstack3 wrote:
Let me suggest some of my favorite American bands!
Spyro Gyra
Kick the Cat (from Chicago!)
Pat Metheny Group
Dixie Dregs (often overlooked)
Return to Forever and their offspring!
Fareed Haque Group and his many projects i.e. Garaj Mahal
I forgot a couple of artists from the States:
Shawn Lane - amazing talent, a life cut short by severe health problems!
Mahavishnu Orchestra - I tended to think of this band as British, but I'm told it is properly US!
Jeff Berlin - another amazing talent, who played with many of the greats!
Happy the Man
Jaco - sad ending to a great talent!
I tend to think of blazing guitar-driven fusion as Jazz Rock, but there may be others that qualify, such as Paul Winter Consort, Oregon (the band) etc.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: February 18 2023 at 14:31
I have hundreds of Jazz-Rock favourites, but I can't think of any Jazz Fusion I really like, not unless you count Jan Hammer as Jazz Fusion.
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: February 18 2023 at 16:15
I have them all under Fusion
------------- Ian
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