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Topic: Your fav album is not one of the usual onesPosted By: LAM-SGC
Subject: Your fav album is not one of the usual ones
Date Posted: October 30 2022 at 08:37
I've got some odd responses in the past about this, maybe others are in the same boat. Fav albums that aren't in the usual top three picked by fans. I've only got a few though
Jethro Tull - Songs from the Wood Genesis - W & W Dream Theater - Dream & Day
Replies: Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: October 30 2022 at 08:50
Genesis - A trick of the tail
Yes - Relayer
ELP - same
Not sure if those count. Maybe not. Relayer is usually at least number four behind the Bruford/Howe albums though (not counting ABWH of course ).
For KC my favorite is LTIA but that usually squeezes in at number 3 behind Court and Red.
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: October 30 2022 at 08:56
Nice thread, i was thinking to do something like that.
Jethro Tull - Stand Up
Dream Theater - Awake
Iron Maiden - Somewhere in Time
Kansas - Leftoverture
Rush - Signals
I'll get back to this.
Posted By: Tasartir
Date Posted: October 30 2022 at 09:41
The answers would probably change tomorrow, but my top three prog albums that are not in the top 3 here are:
Discipline - Unfolded Like Staircase (what a name for an album!)
Marillion - Marbles
Tool - Lateralus
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: October 30 2022 at 09:49
Black Sabbath - Tyr
Blue Oyster Cult - Imaginos
Dead Can Dance - Anastasis
ELO - Xanadu
ELP - Works Volume 1
IQ - Resistance
Mostly Autumn - Graveyard Star
Pallas - The Edge of Time
Deep Purple - The Book of Taliesyn
Pink Floyd - The Division Bell
Twelfth Night - Sequences
YES - The Quest
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: October 30 2022 at 10:10
Gentle Giant - Free Hand Rush - 2112 Haken - Visions Radiohead - The Bends Pink Floyd - Amimals Todd Rundgren - Nearly Human Genesis - Trick
Posted By: fredyair
Date Posted: October 30 2022 at 10:13
RPWL: Beyond Man & Time
Genesis: W&W
Yes: TFTO
Led Zeppelin: Physical Graffiti
ELP: LOve Beach...no, just kidding.
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Posted By: LAM-SGC
Date Posted: October 30 2022 at 11:30
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
Genesis - A trick of the tail
Yes - Relayer
ELP - same
Not sure if those count. Maybe not. Relayer is usually at least number four behind the Bruford/Howe albums though (not counting ABWH of course ).
For KC my favorite is LTIA but that usually squeezes in at number 3 behind Court and Red.
My no. 2 fav Genesis album, for a long time it was my no. 1
Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: October 30 2022 at 13:44
ELP- Works Volume 1
Yes- Big Generator
Genesis- Nursery Crime
Dream Theater- Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: October 30 2022 at 13:59
LAM-SGC wrote:
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
Genesis - A trick of the tail
Yes - Relayer
ELP - same
Not sure if those count. Maybe not. Relayer is usually at least number four behind the Bruford/Howe albums though (not counting ABWH of course ).
For KC my favorite is LTIA but that usually squeezes in at number 3 behind Court and Red.
My no. 2 fav Genesis album, for a long time it was my no. 1
What's your number one now? For a long time my number one was SEBTP but now it's either 2 or 3 (depending on where I want to put in W&W).
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: October 30 2022 at 14:01
omphaloskepsis wrote:
ELP- Works Volume 1
Yes- Big Generator
Genesis- Nursery Crime
Dream Theater- Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
Yeah, BG is really underrated these days and one of their best post 1980 albums imo. Then again part of it for me could be sentimental reasons because I went to a Yes convention in 1987 just before it was released and saw them twice on this tour which was the first time I ever saw them live.
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: October 30 2022 at 14:41
Tasartir wrote:
Tool - Lateralus
but that album is the big fan-favorite. Their most highly rated/regarded, most sold etc...
Anyway, these are the ones I can think of right now:
Jethro Tull - Benefit
ELO - Time
Weather Report - St
Vangelis - The Dragon
Steely Dan - Countdown To Ecstasy
Captain Beefheart - Clear Spot
Magma - Kobaïa
Herbie Hancock - Crossings
Woven Hand - Consider the Birds
Terje Rypdal - St
Pentangle - Cruel Sister
The Residents - Mark of the Mole
Pink Floyd - Meddle (not all that unusual)
Genesis - Nursery Cryme (same)
Posted By: Archisorcerus
Date Posted: October 30 2022 at 15:00
Iron Maiden - Fear of the Dark
Dream Theater - Awake
Royal Hunt - Paper Blood
Kamelot - Ghost Opera
Myrath - Hope
Voyager - Univers
Opeth - Morningrise
IQ - Dark Matter
Silhouette - Beyond the Seventh Wave
Jadis - No Fear of Looking Down
Kaipa - Notes from the Past
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: October 30 2022 at 15:52
Cool thread!
My top three albums of all-time are TheLamb, Magma's MDK, and Humunculus Res' debut, so, I definitely can commiserate with the OP.
Also, my fave Yes is Relayer, H to He for VDGG, Free Hand for GG, Novella for Renaissance, Epilog for Änglagård, Animals for Floyd, and Fear of a Blank Planet for PR/SW.
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: October 30 2022 at 17:34
Mother Gong - Fairy Tales from 1979.
this album holds a special place in the hearts of Friede and me. our kids Alice and Dorothy (who are both 20 years old meanwhile) loved it when they were children
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: October 30 2022 at 17:52
Camel - The Snow Goose
The Last Bright Light - Mostly Autumn
Shattered Image - La Tulipe Noire
edit: God, how did I forget the mighty Horslips album The Tain!
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: October 30 2022 at 18:03
Soon Over Babaluma isn't most people's favourite Can album. Discipline isn't most people's favourite King Crimson album. Ummagumma isn't most people's favourite Pink Floyd album. Live (1973) isn't most people's favourite Genesis album. Shamal isn't most people's favourite Gong album. Camera Camera for sure isn't most people's favourite Renaissance album; honestly I'm not even sure it's mine but certainly top 3 at least, which is unusual enough.
Relayer on the other hand has many fans, I wouldn't list it here.
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: October 30 2022 at 19:55
Jethro Tull's Stand Up is my favorite record of all time. It was the first progressive record I ever bought when I was 14, back in 1972, so it has quite a sentimental value for me.
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: October 30 2022 at 20:09
Lewian wrote:
Soon Over Babaluma isn't most people's favourite Can album. Discipline isn't most people's favourite King Crimson album. Ummagumma isn't most people's favourite Pink Floyd album. Live (1973) isn't most people's favourite Genesis album. Shamal isn't most people's favourite Gong album. Camera Camera for sure isn't most people's favourite Renaissance album; honestly I'm not even sure it's mine but certainly top 3 at least, which is unusual enough.
Relayer on the other hand has many fans, I wouldn't list it here.
Some of the albums you listed have many fans too. Relayer is not a top 3 Yes album and sometimes not even top 4. Sales have nothing to do with this. If someone said 90125 was their favorite Yes album that would most certainly be unusual(at least on here or any other prog site) even though it's apparently their biggest selling album.
Posted By: Starjet
Date Posted: October 31 2022 at 01:59
Marillion - Afraid Of Sunlight
IQ - Nomzamo
Jethro Tull - Heavy Horses
Led Zeppelin - In Through The Out Door
Pendragon - Believe
Threshold - Subsurface
Strawbs - Bursting At The Seams
Camel - A Nod And A Wink
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: October 31 2022 at 02:03
Starjet wrote:
Marillion - Afraid Of Sunlight
Jethro Tull - Heavy Horses
Threshold - Subsurface
These three are great.
Threshold - Subsurface is my favorite, too. I wonder which of their albums is the usual favorite.
Posted By: LAM-SGC
Date Posted: October 31 2022 at 02:16
Starjet wrote:
Marillion - Afraid Of Sunlight
IQ - Nomzamo
Jethro Tull - Heavy Horses
Led Zeppelin - In Through The Out Door
Pendragon - Believe
Threshold - Subsurface
Strawbs - Bursting At The Seams
Camel - A Nod And A Wink
Now that is a list of non-favs for most. Although Heavy Horses and Bursting at the Seams get a lot of spins on my record player.
Posted By: LAM-SGC
Date Posted: October 31 2022 at 02:18
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
LAM-SGC wrote:
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
Genesis - A trick of the tail
Yes - Relayer
ELP - same
Not sure if those count. Maybe not. Relayer is usually at least number four behind the Bruford/Howe albums though (not counting ABWH of course ).
For KC my favorite is LTIA but that usually squeezes in at number 3 behind Court and Red.
My no. 2 fav Genesis album, for a long time it was my no. 1
What's your number one now? For a long time my number one was SEBTP but now it's either 2 or 3 (depending on where I want to put in W&W).
W & W as I wrote in my opening post.
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: October 31 2022 at 06:11
I'm for sure part of the "Jethro Tull's best is Heavy Horses" crowd.
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: October 31 2022 at 06:16
I've had a think about this and really, I'm very orthodox in my choice of faves across most band's discography.
Possibly, with Alan Parsons Project, whereas most people go for one of the first two, my favourite is The Turn Of A Friendly Card....
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: October 31 2022 at 06:20
Lewian wrote:
I'm for sure part of the "Jethro Tull's best is Heavy Horses" crowd.
My favourite Jethro Tull album is "Ian Anderson Plays the Orchestral Jethro Tull"
Posted By: TerLJack
Date Posted: October 31 2022 at 06:40
Queen II
Jon Anderson Animation
10CC How Dare You
Bruford Gradually Going Tornado
Utopia Ra
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: October 31 2022 at 06:48
TerLJack wrote:
Queen II
great album, I don't find it unusual as a favorite at all.
Posted By: LAM-SGC
Date Posted: October 31 2022 at 08:59
The key is to think of the top three the mainstream non-prog media always mention. e.g. JT - Taab, pp, aqualung PF - dsotm, wall, wywh
And if your fave isn't one of those, then..so...
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: October 31 2022 at 09:10
Pink Floyd - More
Yes - The Yes Album, debut, TAAW.
Posted By: LAM-SGC
Date Posted: October 31 2022 at 09:16
I love More and Clouds.
Posted By: Argo2112
Date Posted: October 31 2022 at 10:03
Some of mine would be:
Going for the One - Yes
Power Windows - Rush
Crest of a Knave - Jethro Tull
Over-Nite Sensation - Zappa
Posted By: Gentle and Giant
Date Posted: October 31 2022 at 11:50
Rush -Rush
Pendragon - The Jewel
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Posted By: Steve Wyzard
Date Posted: October 31 2022 at 12:55
1. Yes - 90125
2. Genesis - Abacab
3. Moody Blues - The Present
4. Alan Parsons Project - Stereotomy
5. Rush - Signals
6. E.L.P. - Emerson, Lake, and Powell
7. Steve Hackett - Please Don't Touch
8. Mike Oldfield - Amarok
9. Supertramp - Crisis? What Crisis?
10. Marillion - Brave
11. Anthony Phillips - Wise After the Event
12. Camel - Nude
Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: October 31 2022 at 14:16
Yes - Tales From Topographic Oceans
Genesis - The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway
King Crimson - Larks' Tongues In Aspic
Kansas - Kansas
Rush - A Farewell To Kings
Spock's Beard - The Kindness Of Strangers
Dream Theater - Octavarium
Renaissance - Novella
Big Big Train - Folklore
Opeth - Sorceress
Riverside - Love, Fear and the Time Machine
echolyn - Mei
Le Orme - Contrappunti
Iron Maiden - Dance Of Death
XTC - Drums & Wires
Nothing too crazy but those are ones that go against the grain a bit...
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: October 31 2022 at 14:43
miamiscot wrote:
Kansas - Kansas
I agree with you here...
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: October 31 2022 at 15:03
Many beloved albums which are not in the usual top 10... just a few which come easily to mind
KC: The Power to Believe
3: To the Power of Three
Rush: Caress of Steel
Spock's Beard: The Kindness of Strangers
Jesus Christ Superstar
Renaissance: A Song for all Seasons
Moon Safari: Lover's End
Glass Hammer: If
Steve Morse Band: The Introduction
Le Orme: Contrappunti
Extreme: Three Sides to Every Story (prog-related to my ears)
Citizen Cain: Somewhere but Yesterday
Bozzio Levin Stevens: both albums
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: October 31 2022 at 15:07
Gerinski wrote:
Extreme: Three Sides to Every Story (prog-related to my ears)
nice choice, but nothing unusual, it's their best work by far.
Posted By: Cinema
Date Posted: October 31 2022 at 15:21
Yes - Relayer
10CC - How Dare You
10CC - Bloody Tourists
Porcupine Tree - Deadwing
5UUs - Crisis In Clay
Somnambulist - Paranormal Humidor
The Beatles - White Album
Chris Squire - Fish Out Of Water
Pink Floyd - Animals
The Flower Kings - Adam and Eve
Steven Wilson - 4 ½
Steven Wilson - The Raven That Refused To Sing
Storm Corrosion - Storm Corrosion
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: October 31 2022 at 16:11
Cristi wrote:
Gerinski wrote:
Extreme: Three Sides to Every Story (prog-related to my ears)
nice choice, but nothing unusual, it's their best work by far.
Without a doubt, but not frequently talked about when talking prog.
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: October 31 2022 at 16:15
Gerinski wrote:
Cristi wrote:
Gerinski wrote:
Extreme: Three Sides to Every Story (prog-related to my ears)
nice choice, but nothing unusual, it's their best work by far.
Without a doubt, but not frequently talked about when talking prog.
oh, I thought you meant it's not the usual Extreme favorite, which would be for some people Pornograffitti?!
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: October 31 2022 at 16:27
Cristi wrote:
Gerinski wrote:
Cristi wrote:
Gerinski wrote:
Extreme: Three Sides to Every Story (prog-related to my ears)
nice choice, but nothing unusual, it's their best work by far.
Without a doubt, but not frequently talked about when talking prog.
oh, I thought you meant it's not the usual Extreme favorite, which would be for some people Pornograffitti?!
Yes indeed. To be honest I really like Pornograffitti but it's on another wave. Three Sides is much more proggy and better imho
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: October 31 2022 at 17:00
IQ - Dark Matter Marillion - Somewhere Else (in my top-5 of their whole discography) The Mars Volta - Octahedron Fates Warning - Disconnected Yes - Magnification Rush - Signals VDGG - Still Life Deftones - Koi No Yokan Paradise Lost - Host Deafheaven - Infinite Granite The Smashing Pumpkins - Adore Oasis - Dig Out Your Soul The Blue Nile - A Walk Across The Rooftops Metallica - Reload AND St Anger!
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: October 31 2022 at 17:05
Prog-jester wrote:
Fates Warning - Disconnected Paradise Lost - Host
I love these two.
Nice to see Host getting some love!
Posted By: LAM-SGC
Date Posted: October 31 2022 at 17:43
miamiscot wrote:
Iron Maiden - Dance Of Death
Dance of Death for me too. What a fantastic album.
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 01 2022 at 01:19
Kansas - Somewhere To Elsewhere
Tangerine Dream - Purgatorio
Jean Michel Jarre - Rendez- Vous
The Flower Kings - Banks Of Eden
Deep Purple - Whoosh!
Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: November 01 2022 at 02:06
A lot of these aren't very unusual...
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 01 2022 at 02:13
Awesoreno wrote:
A lot of these aren't very unusual...
some are though and it's fine.
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 01 2022 at 02:15
LAM-SGC wrote:
miamiscot wrote:
Iron Maiden - Dance Of Death
Dance of Death for me too. What a fantastic album.
I've grown to dislike this, the only listenable song on this is Paschendale.
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: November 01 2022 at 02:18
Cristi wrote:
LAM-SGC wrote:
miamiscot wrote:
Iron Maiden - Dance Of Death
Dance of Death for me too. What a fantastic album.
I've grown to dislike this, the only listenable song on this is Paschendale.
Not a patch on BNW, is it?
I've just done my MS thing... BNW 8.7 / 10. DoD 7.9
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 01 2022 at 02:23
Jared wrote:
Cristi wrote:
LAM-SGC wrote:
miamiscot wrote:
Iron Maiden - Dance Of Death
Dance of Death for me too. What a fantastic album.
I've grown to dislike this, the only listenable song on this is Paschendale.
Not a patch on BNW, is it?
I've just done my MS thing... BNW 8.7 / 10. DoD 7.9
Brave New World has its flaws, a couple of songs are repetitive, but I still enjoy it.
Later day Maiden is rather hit and miss with me. The albums are uneven, some songs drag on for too long, the long songs have mostly the same pattern - an intro-verse-chorus-verse chorus- long solos- chorus-outro. It gets tedious after a while.
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: November 01 2022 at 02:44
Cristi wrote:
Brave New World has its flaws, a couple of songs are repetitive, but I still enjoy it.
Later day Maiden is rather hit and miss with me. The albums are uneven, some songs drag on for too long, the long songs have mostly the same pattern - an intro-verse-chorus-verse chorus- long solos- chorus-outro. It gets tedious after a while.
I agree, and DoD and AMoLaD both certainly fit into that category for me; there's only so many listens you can give them before you get jaded. BNW was certainly a bit fresher when it came out, but I don't listen to any of them any more...
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: November 01 2022 at 03:39
Oh, VDGG: The Quiet Zone/The Pleasure Dome
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: November 02 2022 at 11:00
Cristi wrote:
Nice to see Host getting some love!
my fave PL album hands down! From the heavy ones, another unusual one takes the cake - The Plague Within Not a huge fan of their early records tbh
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 02 2022 at 11:05
Prog-jester wrote:
Cristi wrote:
Nice to see Host getting some love!
my fave PL album hands down! From the heavy ones, another unusual one takes the cake - The Plague Within Not a huge fan of their early records tbh
Greg and Nick have a new project called Host that has that sound. Album coming soon.
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: November 03 2022 at 09:35
oh yes, very much looking forward to this one
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Date Posted: November 03 2022 at 15:51
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: November 12 2022 at 01:49
Cristi wrote:
Starjet wrote:
Marillion - Afraid Of Sunlight
Jethro Tull - Heavy Horses
Threshold - Subsurface
These three are great.
Threshold - Subsurface is my favorite, too. I wonder which of their albums is the usual favorite.
Afraid of Sunlight is when I decided to quit with Marillion. I have rediscovered them with F.E.A.R. many years later.
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: November 12 2022 at 02:24
octopus-4 wrote:
Afraid of Sunlight is when I decided to quit with Marillion. I have rediscovered them with F.E.A.R. many years later.
I managed to stick with them until Radiation... my, what a lacklustre, mediocre affair that was!
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: November 12 2022 at 02:27
Cristi wrote:
Threshold - Subsurface is my favorite, too. I wonder which of their albums is the usual favorite.
Yes, it's difficult with Threshold, because their discography is so very even in quality, isn't it? I know Hypothetical always got a lot of love back in the day, when I always slightly preferred Clone..
Posted By: Moonshake
Date Posted: November 16 2022 at 10:46
Henry Cow - Unrest
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: November 16 2022 at 11:13
Moonshake wrote:
Henry Cow - Unrest
Mine as well.
+five more in addition to my fourteen on the first page makes twenty:
Univers Zero - St/1313
Nektar - Journey to the Centre of the Eye
Samla Mammas Manna - St
Motorpsycho - Ancient Astronauts
+the only Eloy-album I like is Inside
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 17 2022 at 13:35
Porcupine Tree - Voyage 34: The Complete Trip
Strawbs - Pognostic
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: November 17 2022 at 13:57
Saperlipopette! wrote:
Motorpsycho - Ancient Astronauts
A few more listens and I may well get around to this assessment, too. SMM's debut is great as well.
Posted By: Steve Wyzard
Date Posted: December 08 2022 at 09:55
Just thought of 5 more:
13. Barclay James Harvest - Turn of the Tide
14. Led Zeppelin - In Through the Out Door
15. Pallas - The Wedge
16. Deep Purple - Deepest Purple: The Very Best of
17. Vangelis - The City
Posted By: BarryGlibb
Date Posted: December 11 2022 at 00:33
Not all prog (in fact not many at all!). These are the ones at the top of my tree but obviously not at the top of anyone else's!.....in chronological order
Scott - Scott Walker 1967
Moving Waves - Focus 1971
Wild Turkey - Battle Hymn 1971
The Tàin - Horslips 1973
Foreigner - Cat Stevens 1973
There's The Rub - Wishbone Ash 1974
Free Hand - Gentle Giant 1975
The Book Of Invasions - Horslips 1976
Avocet - Bert Jansch 1979
A - Jethro Tull 1980
The Absolute Game - Skids 1980
Sons And Fascination - Simple Minds 1981
Porcupine - Echo and The Bunnymen 1983
Steeltown - Big Country 1984
The Nine Maidens - John Renbourn 1985
Waiting For The Floods - The Armoury Show 1985
Time's Up - Living Colour 1990
Barafundle - Gorky's Zygotic Mynci 1997
AM - The Arctic Monkeys 2013
Posted By: BarryGlibb
Date Posted: December 12 2022 at 00:46
I forgot..
Rumor and Sigh - Richard Thompson 1991
....what an album!
Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: December 15 2022 at 12:48
Some of my favourites:
Pink Floyd - Ummagumma Centipede - Septober Energy Amon Düül II - Yeti
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: December 15 2022 at 13:21
Stool Man wrote:
Amon Düül II - Yeti
Ok. Which Amon Düül II-album do you consider to be the usual favorite?
... remembered a few more:
Miles Davis - Big Fun
Frank Zappa - Waka Jawaka
Faust - So Far
Kayo Dot - Blue Lambency Downward
Thin Lizzy - Vagabonds of the Western World
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: December 15 2022 at 14:15
I was just pondering this myself!
My one suggested fav is "Starless and Bible Black" by King Crimson. Folks on PA seem enraptured with "Red," but I think SBB is superior.
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Posted By: Magog2112
Date Posted: July 24 2023 at 19:31