The League of Prog Nations
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Topic: The League of Prog Nations
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Subject: The League of Prog Nations
Date Posted: October 16 2022 at 04:30
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Who are your Top 7 favoured nations when it comes to Progressive Rock? As per usual, I'll be allocating points to your listings:- 1st - 12 points 2nd - 8 points 3rd - 6 points 4th - 4 points 5th - 3 points 6th - 2 points 7th - 1 point My Top 7 Prog Nations:- 1. United Kingdom (12 points) 2. Germany (8 points) 3. Netherlands (6 points) 4. Japan (4 points) 5. United States (3 points) 6. Sweden (2 points) 7. Switzerland (1 point) Unlike the Eurovision Song Contest, you're allowed to vote for your own country.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: October 16 2022 at 10:16
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It can seem to me that we inspire each other. Anyway, a very good idea for a thread, and here's my list: 1. United Kingdom 2. Italy 3. Germany 4. United States 5. France 6. Poland 7. Spain 8. Sweden 9. Japan
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: October 16 2022 at 10:19
This one is quite a suprise to me. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Psychedelic Paul wrote:Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: October 16 2022 at 10:59
It shouldn't come as that big a surprise, bearing in mind I have a Swiss prog blog. Below is a list of the 38 classic prog artists in my Swiss Roll of Honour. Featured Swiss Artists 01. Agamemnon (Psychedelic/Space Rock) 02. Alpha to Omega (Eclectic Prog) 03. Blue Motion (Symphonic Prog) 04. Brainticket (Krautrock) 05. Circus (Eclectic Prog) 06. Country Lane (Heavy Prog) 07. Docmec (Symphonic Prog) 08. Dragonfly (Symphonic Prog) 09. Dude Durst (Krautrock) 10. Eloiteron (Symphonic Prog) 11. Elysium (Crossover Prog) 12. Ertlif (Psychedelc/Space Rock) 13. Exit (Symphonic Prog) 14. Flame Dream (Symphonic Prog) 15. Sergius Golowin (Krautrock) 16. Kay Hoffman (Prog Folk) 17. Island (Eclectic Prog) 18. Kashmir (Progressive Electronic) 19. Kedama (Crossover Prog) 20. Kjol (Jazz Rock/Fusion) 21. Krokodil (Krautrock) 22. Lost Peace (Jazz Rock/Fusion) 23. Magic Spell (Symphonic Prog) 24. Mainhorse (Symphonic Prog) 25. McChurch Soundroom (Krautrock) 26. Monseigneur (Prog Folk) 27. Patrick Moraz (Crossover Prog) 28. Nautilus (Symphonic Prog) 29. Pacific Sound (Krautrock) 30. Plamp (Eclectic Prog) 31. The Shiver (Proto Prog) 32. Sicher (Symphonic Prog) 33. Spartacus (Symphonic Prog) 34. Tea (Heavy Prog) 35. Trocarn (Prog Folk) 36. Joel Vandroogenbroek (What a great Dutch name!) 37. Andreas Vollenweider (Crossover Prog) 38. Welcome (Symphonic Prog) |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: October 16 2022 at 11:38
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After having thinking more about it, I switched Germany and Italy, and Spain and Poland - it ain't easy with this ranking, but after having thinking more about it, I'm more aware of how much I'm fond of the albums from each country, and what I think about them. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: October 16 2022 at 11:41
I don't think that I've seen it yet. Is it in the blog section? ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: October 16 2022 at 12:51
I'm only familiar with Agamemnon and Vollenweider on this list. Vollenweider have I been much fond of for a lot of years, but not so much anymore, contrary to Agamemnon. How did you get so much interest for Swiss Prog? ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: October 16 2022 at 13:29
Yes, it's in the blog section, about halfway down Page 1. Here's the link:- http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=129329" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=129329
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: October 16 2022 at 13:31
I found many of the Swiss bands on the Prog Line channel and the rest I found here on PA.
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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: October 16 2022 at 14:42
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1. France 2. Japan 3. Sweden 4. Norway 5. Italy 6. Canada 7. United States ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: October 16 2022 at 15:05
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USA UK Canada Sweden Poland Indonesia Germany |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: October 16 2022 at 15:23
That's interesting, how come? ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: October 16 2022 at 15:29
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Posted By: bender99
Date Posted: October 16 2022 at 17:12
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1 UK 2 USA 3 Sweden 4 Norway 5 Netherlands 6 Canada 7 Poland
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: October 16 2022 at 17:28
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UK Germany France Italy Sweden Norway USA ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: October 16 2022 at 19:48
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UK Norway Japan France Italy Germany Poland USA Canada Sweden Spain Finland Argentina Australia ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: October 16 2022 at 21:05
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England USA France Germany Belgium Canada Sweden Italy Norway Switzerland Japan Australia Russia Mexico Spain Finland ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: October 17 2022 at 02:46
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In terms of general long term commitment to the art and prog 'denseness' 1. Norway 2. Italy 3. Sweden 4. Germany 5. Japan 6. USA 7. UK yes the list is the right way round!
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Posted By: Gentle and Giant
Date Posted: October 17 2022 at 04:04
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1. UK 2. USA 3. Norway 4. Italy 5. Germany 6. France 7. Poland ------------- Oh, for the wings of any bird, other than a battery hen |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: October 17 2022 at 04:43
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Top 7 Prog Nations after ten rounds of voting:- 01. UK (93 points) 02. USA (47 points) 03. Germany (36 points) 03. Norway (36 points) 05. France (33 points) 06. Italy (30 points) 07. Sweden (28 points) 08. Japan (21 points) 09. Canada (12 points) 10. Netherlands (9 points) 11. Poland (8 points) 12. Belgium (3 points) 13. Indonesia (2 points) 14. Spain (1 point) 14. Switzerland (1 point)
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: October 17 2022 at 05:50
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Hi, It's a tough choice either way you look at it, especially for me who does not listen to specific cultures or some type of crap or other. To me it's about the music, not the nationality since the instruments are (basically) the same all around! Germany Italy France England Spain Japan Sweden Netherlands Germany gets the nod for its rock music, but also for its electronic music, which England lacked (in general), since it could never get off the top of the pop stuff in their media. The same for the USA, who is given credit for helping start and develop the synthesizer, but the commercial attitude towards music hurt the freedom of the instrument in the early days. Germany, just about, gets a lot of its attention based on TD and KS alone, although both you and I would never leave behind at least 2 or 3 other rock outfits.
------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: October 17 2022 at 06:10
It's strange to see Norway is currently on an equal footing with Germany, but I'll refrain from saying Das Boot is on the other foot again. 
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: October 17 2022 at 06:31
I could make that list mine (with some minor changes either +1 or -1)  , except for a big correction with Finland: I'd see it at least just below Sweden. Spain would also make a big leap forward (above Japan)By the way, I'd replace the forerunner with the UK name. .
------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Rick1
Date Posted: October 17 2022 at 06:38
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1. UK 2. France 3. Germany 4. Japan 5. Belgium A lot of the rest tend to be pastiche with some notable exceptions
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: October 17 2022 at 10:38
That sounds very limiting to me. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: October 17 2022 at 10:44
I think, it can point at much appreciating of modern Prog, and not only the one from the 70's. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: October 17 2022 at 10:48
Sorry for that on your behalf, but it doesn't really suprise me. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: October 17 2022 at 10:58
It's not nearly as surprising as Indonesia being above Switzerland in the poll.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: October 17 2022 at 11:54
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ok, in with my list In italic, lands that I haven't seen mentioned yet - or I didn't see it yet first division (in order): UK France Germany Belgium Canada Switzerland Spain second division (no order): Chile Sweden USA Argentina Finland Italy Norway also ran (no order): Japan Australia Czeckoslovakia Russia Netherlands Brazil Denmark
I already told you Joel is from Brussels (therefore Flemish name & means From-dry-marshes) .
------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: October 17 2022 at 19:14
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here's my list, as of today 1. USA 2. Norway 3. Italy 4. Sweden 5. Canada (Quebec to be precise) 6. Argentina 7. UK ------------- “On the day of my creation, I fell in love with education. And overcoming all frustration, a teacher I became.” — Ernest Vong |
Posted By: Progmind
Date Posted: October 17 2022 at 23:11
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1 - UK 2 - USA 3 - Italy 4 - Sweden 5 - Argentina 6 - Norway 7 - France 8 - Belgium 9 - Germany 10 - Canada |
Posted By: Rick1
Date Posted: October 18 2022 at 02:32
Prog is limited by it's cultural context...
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: October 18 2022 at 02:39
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Top 7 update after five more rounds of voting:- 01. UK (134 points) 02. USA (67 points) 03. Germany (60 points) 04. France (56 points) 05. Italy (50 points) 06. Norway (46 points) 07. Sweden (37 points) 08. Japan (27 points) 09. Canada (18 points) 10. Belgium (10 points) 11. Netherlands (9 points) 12. Poland (8 points) 13. Argentina (5 points) 13. Spain (5 points) 15. Switzerland (3 points) 16. Indonesia (2 points)
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Posted By: essexboyinwales
Date Posted: October 23 2022 at 10:28
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It’s good to know that we’re still thought of highly in at least one thing😑 ------------- Heaven is waiting but waiting is Hell |
Posted By: LAM-SGC
Date Posted: October 30 2022 at 15:30
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1.UK 2.Sweden 3.Germany 4.Finland 5.Norway 6.Netherlands 7.Italy 8.Ireland 9.USA 10.Canada |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: October 30 2022 at 15:35
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Top 7 update with LAM-SGC's votes added:- 01. UK (146 points) 02. USA (67 points) 03. Germany (66 points) 04. France (56 points) 05. Italy (51 points) 06. Norway (49 points) 07. Sweden (45 points) 08. Japan (27 points) 09. Canada (18 points) 10. Netherlands (11 points) 11. Belgium (10 points) 12. Poland (8 points) 13. Argentina (5 points) 13. Spain (5 points) 15. Finland (4 points) 16. Switzerland (3 points) 17. Indonesia (2 points) |
Posted By: LAM-SGC
Date Posted: October 31 2022 at 02:28
Each to his own and all that, but how have you got Sweden in division two? The third largest music producing country in the world, with the most bands generally and prog bands specifically per capita. That's akin to putting Germany in a second division of car manufacturing countries.
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Posted By: Allain
Date Posted: November 07 2022 at 14:35
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1 UK 2 Italy 3 France 4 Sweden 5 Norway 6 Japan 7 Germany |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 07 2022 at 14:59
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Top 7 update with Allain's votes added:- 01. UK (158 points) 02. USA (67 points) 02. Germany (67 points) 04. France (62 points) 05. Italy (59 points) 06. Norway (52 points) 07. Sweden (49 points) 08. Japan (29 points) 09. Canada (18 points) 10. Netherlands (11 points) 11. Belgium (10 points) 12. Poland (8 points) 13. Argentina (5 points) 13. Spain (5 points) 15. Finland (4 points) 16. Switzerland (3 points) 17. Indonesia (2 points) |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: November 07 2022 at 15:22
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1. UK 2. USA 3. Germany 4. France 5. Italy 6. Norway 7. Sweden Hmmm...thats the same as the list...what a surprise. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 07 2022 at 15:48
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Top 7 update with DrWu23's votes added:- 01. UK (170 points) 02. USA (75 points) 03. Germany (73 points) 04. France (66 points) 05. Italy (62 points) 06. Norway (54 points) 07. Sweden (50 points) 08. Japan (29 points) 09. Canada (18 points) 10. Netherlands (11 points) 11. Belgium (10 points) 12. Poland (8 points) 13. Argentina (5 points) 13. Spain (5 points) 15. Finland (4 points) 16. Switzerland (3 points) 17. Indonesia (2 points) |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: November 07 2022 at 16:31
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United Kingdom Sweden The United States Italy Germany Canada France
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 07 2022 at 23:48
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Top 7 update with AFlowerKingCrimson's votes added:- 01. UK (182 points) 02. USA (81 points) 03. Germany (76 points) 04. France (67 points) 05. Italy (66 points) 06. Sweden (58 points) 07. Norway (54 points) 08. Japan (29 points) 09. Canada (20 points) 10. Netherlands (11 points) 11. Belgium (10 points) 12. Poland (8 points) 13. Argentina (5 points) 13. Spain (5 points) 15. Finland (4 points) 16. Switzerland (3 points) 17. Indonesia (2 points) |
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: April 29 2023 at 09:16
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1) Uk 2) Germany 3) Italy 4) Usa 5) France 6) Sweeden 7) Netherland ------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion. |
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: April 29 2023 at 09:17
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In my opinion, it's a big mistake that Uk is not the winner. ------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion. |
Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: April 29 2023 at 09:41
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1) UK 2) Italy 3) Norway 4) Germany 5) USA 6) Sweden
7) France |
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: April 29 2023 at 09:41
------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion. |
Posted By: Sem__
Date Posted: April 29 2023 at 12:47
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1. UK 2. Germany 3. Italy 4. Sweden 5. France 6. US of A 7. Netherlands
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: April 29 2023 at 12:53
big overlap here ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: VultureCulture07
Date Posted: April 29 2023 at 19:44
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Alright, I did a lot of thinking and here's what I got 1. UK (obviously) 2.Germany 3.Italy Now I make some hot takes 4. Canada 5. Nordic regions(Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Iceland)slightly cheating but who's counting 6. The USA 7. Netherlands 8. USSR(I love USSR prog folk) 9. Argentina 10. Japan And with that I leave ------------- https://llamakoifish.wixsite.com/goosestavsrecordrevi" rel="nofollow - My Link I make content here... Sometimes |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: April 30 2023 at 04:03
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Top 7 update after four more rounds of voting:- 01. UK (230 points) 02. USA (118 points) 03. Italy (92 points) 04. Germany (76 points) 05. France (74 points) 06. Sweden (68 points) 07. Norway (63 points) 08. Japan (29 points) 09. Canada (24 points) 10. Netherlands (13 points) 11. Belgium (10 points) 12. Poland (8 points) 13. Argentina (5 points) 13. Spain (5 points) 15. Finland (4 points) 16. Switzerland (3 points) 17. Indonesia (2 points) 18. Denmark (1 point) A huge boost for Italy from fifth to third place above Germany! |
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: April 30 2023 at 05:52
Hmmm, I think there's an error, Paul, Germany got more points than Italy. ------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion. |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 30 2023 at 06:03
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Hi, I was thinking that the UK should not
be at the top ... why? They may have helped "start" the whole thing,
but after that period, they did not improve, and France, Italy, Germany
and Spain did much better and was more adventurous and interesting. A
commercially minded country, like the USA and UK to a great extent with
the upper class greed and steal kind of thing, after a while loses its
luster. It easy to consider "Canterbury" progressive, but many folks
don't like it, because it was a lot more fun stuff actually making fun
of pop music! And many of the other bands around the later 70's and
early 80's did not exactly get stronger and better, other than KC, which
(for me) falls back later into a sound and something that was
"familiar". Compared to the French and Italian scenes at the time, the
continent was doing way better ... even though many folks did not hear
it, or bothered listening to it more than their 5 minutes to decide what
is something or not!  ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: April 30 2023 at 06:12
^^ You're right! I forgot to add the 28 points on for Germany.  01. UK (230 points) 02. USA (118 points) 03. Germany (104 points) 04. Italy (92 points) 05. France (74 points) 06. Sweden (68 points) 07. Norway (63 points) 08. Japan (29 points) 09. Canada (24 points) 10. Netherlands (13 points) 11. Belgium (10 points) 12. Poland (8 points) 13. Argentina (5 points) 13. Spain (5 points) 15. Finland (4 points) 16. Switzerland (3 points) 17. Indonesia (2 points) 18. Denmark (1 point) |
Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: April 30 2023 at 11:18
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UK Italy Sweden Norway USA Germany Belgium |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: April 30 2023 at 11:42
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Top 7 update with MellotronWave's votes added:- 01. UK (242 points) 02. USA (121 points) 03. Germany (106 points) 04. Italy (100 points) 05. France (74 points) 05. Sweden (74 points) 07. Norway (67 points) 08. Japan (29 points) 09. Canada (24 points) 10. Netherlands (13 points) 11. Belgium (11 points) 12. Poland (8 points) 13. Argentina (5 points) 13. Spain (5 points) 15. Finland (4 points) 16. Switzerland (3 points) 17. Indonesia (2 points) 18. Denmark (1 point) |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: May 02 2023 at 10:17
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France Japan Norway Italy Belgium Sweden US ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 02 2023 at 11:45
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Top 7 update with Tapfret's votes added:- 01. UK (242 points) 02. USA (122 points) 03. Germany (106 points) 04. Italy (104 points) 05. France (86 points) 05. Sweden (76 points) 07. Norway (73 points) 08. Japan (37 points) 09. Canada (24 points) 10. Belgium (14 points) 11. Netherlands (13 points) 12. Poland (8 points) 13. Argentina (5 points) 13. Spain (5 points) 15. Finland (4 points) 16. Switzerland (3 points) 17. Indonesia (2 points) 18. Denmark (1 point) |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: May 02 2023 at 12:48
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Hi, France Italy Japan Spain In "evaluating" my choices, I find that I'm more attuned to the European continent than I am England, or the USA, and I probably will blame someone for that. However, I quickly fell into the Japanese scene, with the Sadistic Mika Band, and then Yellow Magic Orchestra and some of their members that went solo. Stomu Yama'sh*ta also comes to mind, and then Kitaro and the incarnation of Chronicle, Far East Family Band ... and the various solos within. Surprisingly enough I never really got a lot of the Latin American things, and other than Egberto Gismonti, while I was aware of Airto, Flora Purim, Milton Nascimento and some of the bigger names in Brazil, there was a keyboard artist in Mexico, whose name I can not remember, that had an excellent CD ... and I wish I knew who it was. I think it was 2 long cuts, but I am not sure of it. My tastes in African music is very different. I remember listening to the MISSA LUBA going back to my days in Brazil (dad bought the album) ... and then later when I came to America I even acquired the PIPES OF PAN that Brian Jones put together. It gave me a rather different idea about African music, and then many years later hearing Ginger Baker talk about it, and even realizing that he had a hard time drumming with it, kinda brought about ideas that there was more to music than we knew and understood. You would think that I would know and be better acquainted with Portuguese music, but in my early days, hearing the FADO next to classical music, was very boring, and later I enjoyed the Spanish Rock bands a lot more because they at least took their ability into a more progressive state of things, though many of us have a hard time discussing guitar pickers, so many of which in the streets of Madrid of Barcelona, make almost every rock&roll guitarist look like a high schooler. But the Spaniards were never at the level of my top three choices in terms of preferences. The only odd one I would like to mention, that doesn't exactly fit France, is ALAN STIVELL who represents "Brittany", that part of France on the Western front. He has, for a long time, done traditional material that thrashed the French and then some ... and one of the reasons why "New Age" folks did not like him a whole lot, was because he was too political and an activist. But his first album (I think it was actually his second) still is, and should be listed as the VERY FIRST "New Age" album ever done since it was done in the late 60's ... but I doubt that we will find votes for Brittany by anyone else buy me, even though there were some nice musicians coming out of it with and without Alan Stivell. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 02 2023 at 13:34
Nice to see these ones listed again. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |