ELP~Trilogy
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Topic: ELP~Trilogy
Posted By: Catcher10
Subject: ELP~Trilogy
Date Posted: July 06 2022 at 16:49
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https://ultimateclassicrock.com/emerson-lake-and-palmer-trilogy-album/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=New%20Campaign&utm_term=UCR" rel="nofollow - ELP, Trilogy 50 years ago... -------------   
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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: July 06 2022 at 16:58
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Their absolute best IMHO. ------------- Thank you for supporting independently produced music |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: July 06 2022 at 17:02
...word....I was more interested in how they change a light bulb  -------------
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JD wrote:Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: July 06 2022 at 17:26
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LEGENDS. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Hugh Manatee
Date Posted: July 06 2022 at 17:28
I agree.
------------- I should have been a pair of ragged claws Scuttling across the floors of uncertain seas |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: July 06 2022 at 20:55
| One of my all time favorite albums. |
Posted By: elpprogster
Date Posted: July 07 2022 at 04:19
Still their most elegant, romantic and sophisticated album; in other words, their BEST! 
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: July 07 2022 at 04:40
| Their best, most cohesive album as a whole, masterpiece. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: July 07 2022 at 04:45
| One of my favorites from them, along with Tarkus. |
Posted By: Neu!mann
Date Posted: July 07 2022 at 07:42
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Not only the first ELP album I ever heard, but my first exposure to Progressive Rock... ------------- "we can change the world without anyone noticing the difference" - Franco Falsini |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: July 07 2022 at 08:24
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My first prog purchase and still one of my favorite listens. ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: July 07 2022 at 08:25
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My first prog album ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 07 2022 at 10:01
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My favourite will always be the Brain Salad Surgery album and interestingly that is the only ELP album in their top 50 list if you scroll down. Trilogy has some great things Vocal - Lake's perfect and easily at his peak. There are virtually no enhancements to his lovely English baritone. Drums - Palmer is so accurate it's almost ridiculous. Keyboards - The first ELP album with Mini Moog and this is one of the outstanding features of the album. Lyrics - The only ELP album where Lake writes all the lyrics and they are actually quite special at times on Endless Enigma and From The Beginning. With all this going on it should be their best album however they hardly played any of it after the tour. Partly the technical level was so high even they couldn't recreate it but I would also postulate that it didn't capture their true character. Is there really enough bombast for it be ELP at their best? They were also encroaching on other bands territories a tiny bit where normally it would be completely impossible to mix them up with anyone else. It also lacks originality, kind of a taking stock exercise, and most importantly was not especially 'progressive' in outlook However its certainly a good album and does at least show their more arty philosophical side but ultimately for me it lacks the focus and flow of most other albums they produced at this time. IMO
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: July 07 2022 at 10:02
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: July 07 2022 at 10:04
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: July 07 2022 at 10:44
Good boy.....how this music should be listened to anyhow!  -------------
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: July 07 2022 at 11:11
BSS is mine, too. Whichever album "Karn Evil 9" appeared on would be my fave by ELP.  I think Trilogy does sound about as ELP as one can get, though. (When you say encroaching, do you mean "From the Beginning"?)' "Abaddon's Bolero" is where I check out early, though. I think it was a waste of space and effort. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: July 07 2022 at 12:39
Unfortunately ELP has a lot of this on their albums..... -------------
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Posted By: Steve Wyzard
Date Posted: July 07 2022 at 13:42
I could have done without "The Sheriff", "Living Sin", and "Abaddon's Bolero". It's tracks like these that prevent the album from making it into the Top 50. The rest is masterful!
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: July 07 2022 at 13:53
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"Living Sin" is a fine song. It was cool that Keith dusted that one off for the Keith Emerson Band with Marc Bonilla. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: JD
Date Posted: July 07 2022 at 14:56
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Living Sin is a great song and another example of ELP in their Heavy-Prog mode. I like that S.Wilson put the extended instrumental section back in on his remix. Between 1:50 & 2:25 with the additional snippet beginning around 2:14. ------------- Thank you for supporting independently produced music |
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: July 08 2022 at 01:13
| I like Living Sin a lot, and The Sheriff is not a bad song. Abbadon's Bolero is more of a musical exercise but I don't mind listening to it at the end of the album. |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: July 08 2022 at 07:11
Do you mean the Jakko Jakszyk remix? The one that stuffed up the ending of The Sheriff by mixing the piano down?
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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: July 08 2022 at 08:22
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^Oops, my bad. I forgot Stevie bowed out after Tarkus. Yes, that's the one. ------------- Thank you for supporting independently produced music |
Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: July 08 2022 at 12:12
Same here. Fantastic music and still got the groovy 60's vibe that I love.
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Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: July 08 2022 at 13:26
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Wonderful album, indeed, but somehow I always found it a bit too "polished" compared to the albums that came before and after, which I personally have always preferred over Trilogy... ------------- The razamataz is a pain in the bum |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: July 08 2022 at 13:50
 ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: July 08 2022 at 13:57
attaboy!! -------------
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: July 08 2022 at 14:00
| I was listening to this in my car about a month ago. While not my personal favorite ELP (that would be the debut) I do think all of their first four studio albums are great. Two of my favorite tracks are on here which are the title track and the endless enigma. From the Beginning is great too. Of course the whole thing is pretty top shelf. |
Posted By: JD
Date Posted: July 09 2022 at 14:17
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Posted By: jamessavik
Date Posted: July 10 2022 at 20:00
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Trilogy is an album I bought on CD to preserve my vinyl copy. It's my favorite by ELP, but I've still got a special place for Brain Salad Surgery and Tarkus. ------------- There might have been things I missed But don't be unkind It don't mean I'm blind |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: July 11 2022 at 10:02
8:00 would have been better....  . I agree though, it does get a tad long but I have grown to enjoy it quite well.-------------
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 11 2022 at 10:32
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Living Sin is a great track but typical of ELP it almost doesn't seem to belong. I imagined Greg Lake was trying to sound a bit like Jim Morrison on those low notes, but that's okay. Palmer's drumming is very tight as it's on the whole album while Emerson + Organ = prog heaven. Abaddon' Bolero is perhaps also another track that's a bit odd and Emerson was deliberately aping Walter/Wendy Carlos style Moog extravaganza. It was however a serious piece of music properly scored for orchestra and worth noting it was played as such at the Keith Emerson tribute concert in Birmingham (UK) with Rick Wakeman on synths.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: July 11 2022 at 11:02
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I must admit, Trilogy isn't one of my favourite ELP albums, but at least it's in my Top 10. 1. Works Volume 1 2. Black Moon 3. Emerson, Lake & Palmer 4. Emerson, Lake & Powell 5. Tarkus 6. Pictures at an Exhibition 7. Love Beach 8. Works Volume 2 9. Brain Salad Surgery 10. Trilogy
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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: July 11 2022 at 15:57
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^Seriously ???? What are you doing man...standing on your head? That list is really upside down and inside out in so many ways. ------------- Thank you for supporting independently produced music |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: July 11 2022 at 16:40
Hey at least we found someone that likes ELPowell...... -------------
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: July 11 2022 at 17:25
Hey, now! I love ELPowell! That's a kick*ss record! ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Steve Wyzard
Date Posted: July 11 2022 at 17:42
Seconded!!! Emphatically!!!
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 11 2022 at 17:44
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An unfocused mess. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: July 12 2022 at 03:43
I'd agree, except then Love Bitch would be at number 4.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: July 12 2022 at 04:07
It could've been worse..... At least Love Beach - the much-maligned album that ELP fans love to hate - is way down the list in my Top 10. Maybe it has something to do with the tacky Love Island-style album cover.  |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: July 12 2022 at 06:10
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: July 12 2022 at 06:15
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 12 2022 at 09:52
You are entitled to your opinion of course Paul. I do think that Works Volume One is much maligned and very undeservedly so. It has a proper classical symphonic work. It includes some absolutely brilliant jazz fusion stuff from Palmer and 2 great 'headline' ELP tracks on the group side. Perhaps Greg Lake's side is a let down although it's not bad by any means ( I bet it's your favourite  ). If in the modern CD age it was slimmed down a bit to 60 minutes it would be one of ELP's best. In the day it made sense to have a side each and keep the band together and the show they did at the Montreal Olympic Stadium with orchestra was their pinnacle.I also believe that Love Beach was not the horror story made out by many. Lyrically (and visually
 ) yes but playing wise its still on a high level. (IMO) |
Posted By: Hugh Manatee
Date Posted: July 12 2022 at 17:59
OK, yeah sure, each to his own...but better than " Brain Salad Surgery" or "Trilogy"? That just seems like willful contrariness to me. ------------- I should have been a pair of ragged claws Scuttling across the floors of uncertain seas |
Posted By: felonafan
Date Posted: July 13 2022 at 05:18
| Masterpiece! One of the favorites |
Posted By: Cactus Choir
Date Posted: July 13 2022 at 06:15
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I'd put Trilogy on a par with BSS and the debut as ELP's three best and most consistent albums. They all sound quite different: the debut is classical and gothic, Trilogy is warm and romantic, and BSS is metallic and futuristic. ------------- "And now...on the drums...Mick Underwooooooooood!!!" "He's up the pub" |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: July 13 2022 at 10:03
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Trilogy is a fine album, though my favorite is Tarkus. I don't really like Brain Salad Surgery, I have tried it so many times, and can't appreciate it, though many fans do. |
Posted By: Necrotica
Date Posted: July 13 2022 at 16:06
Tarkus is my favorite as well. I know a lot of people don't like Jeremy Bender and Are You Ready Eddy very much - and I'm mixed on both as well - but that's only about 3-4 minutes in an otherwise amazing album, so I'm willing to overlook it. And of course, the title track is just spectacular ------------- Take me down, to the underground Won't you take me down, to the underground Why oh why, there is no light And if I can't sleep, can you hold my life https://www.youtube.com/@CocoonMasterBrendan-wh3sd |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: July 13 2022 at 16:20
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I own two copies of this amazing album, just different pressing variants both cut by the great George Piros (GP in deadwax). The proper way to listen to this music.....  -------------
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: July 14 2022 at 09:22
^ This ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: RockHound
Date Posted: July 16 2022 at 10:32
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BSS is my favorite ELP album-I find it to be the most cohesive. Tarkus is next because the title track is so great. Pictures is a sentimental favorite because it is such an unapologetic military attack on a great classic. ELP is also great, although The Three Fates stops me cold in my tracks. I really like Black Moon-it’s nicely cohesive-a real breath of fresh air to me after a series of duds. I find trilogy uneven-the Endless Enigma is what resonates most with me, although the fugal section is a mess. The live version of Hoedown from Welcome Back My Friends is much better to me than the studio rendition. |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: July 16 2022 at 17:18
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The first Progressive Rock album I liked - even quite a lot - and 50 years later, I still much do. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 18 2022 at 02:25
| If it's to be a wider discussion about ELP albums then they are all uneven apart from Works Volume One which was more focused but you have to put up with a whole side of Greg Lake ballads. It could be trimmed to a more manageable 60 minutes by losing a couple of tracks from Palmer's side and keeping one Greg Lake song ( the masterpiece Closer To Believing) but then you are full circle back to a 'normal' ELP album. BSS in my opinion is the most cohesive only because Emerson took a lot of creative control on that album (Lake didn't like sci-fi concepts and heavily electronic based music) . Trilogy is nicely balanced in ideas but does sound like 6 different projects were going on at the same time. That was admittedly the nature of the band though. |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: July 18 2022 at 02:49
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Welcome Back My Friends to the debate that never ends. Come inside. Come inside. If you believe in The Power of Three, then you'll believe in the awesome Trilogy of Emerson, Lake & Palmer. If you include ELP's full Works, there were two short-lived offshoots of the dynamic Tarkus trio too: Emerson, Lake & Powell and Emerson, Berry & Palmer. I've been In the Hot Seat recently for showing some love towards the much-maligned Love Beach album - an album which was about as welcome amongst ELP fans as an ominous Black Moon on the horizon. The cheesy Beach Gees album cover and album title admittedly looks and sounds like a third-rate reality TV show, and it probably is. I'm thinking "Love Island", which is close enough. Anyway, I'm accustomed by now to having a mockery made of my crockery, so yes, I really DO prefer the melodic romance of the Love Beach album to the endless complexities of Trilogy and Brain Salad Surgery - and that's not "wilful contrariness".
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Posted By: Steve Wyzard
Date Posted: July 18 2022 at 09:36
Fully agree with your assessment of Black Moon: it's a vastly underrated album that truly is a "breath of fresh air". Unlike most ELP albums, there are no dud tracks - they're all good! I'm aware a lot of the fanbase was alienated by the album because of no 7+ minute epics, but the songs are so strong that it just doesn't matter.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 20 2022 at 10:33
I played the thing to death when it came out , it was great to have a proper new ELP release, arguably their best since Works Volume One. There are no dud tracks so you can play without skipping. The fanbase were perhaps more alienated by Mark Mancina's production that removed some of the bands fire in favor of a slick professional product fit for radio airplay. I liked it though and was actually disappointed they didn't play more of it when I saw them in Bristol.
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: July 20 2022 at 14:48
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I also played Black Moon constantly when it was new. It was like a tonic after that horrible album with Berry. But no dud tracks? I always skipped "Affairs of the Heart" (too vanilla) and I began to check out during "Footprints in the Snow." I still think Emerson, Lake & Powell's sole outing > Black Moon. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |