15 of your fave non-Prog albums from the '90s?
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Topic: 15 of your fave non-Prog albums from the '90s?
Posted By: David_D
Subject: 15 of your fave non-Prog albums from the '90s?
Date Posted: May 21 2022 at 04:30
Well, PAers, there we go again. After non-Prog '70s and '80s, how about the '90s. I can say that I find them quite exiting, and here's my list:
Babes in Toyland (USA) - Fontanelle (1992)
Brygada Kryzys (PL) - Cosmopolis (1992)
The Cure (UK) - Wish (1992)
Deep Forest (F) - Boheme (1995)
Trilok Gurtu (India) - The Glimpse (1996) PJ Harvey (UK) - To Bring You My Love (1995)
Hedningarna (S) - Karelia Visa (1999)
Kyuss (USA) - Sky Valley (1994) Massive Attack (UK) - Mezzanine (1998)
Nirvana (USA) - In Utero (1993)
Portishead (UK) - Roseland NYC Live (1998) Shellac (USA) - At Action Park (1994)
Sonic Youth (USA) - Experimental Jet Set... (1994)
Unkle (UK) - Psyence fiction (1998)
a couple additional Fugazi (USA) - Repeater (1990)
Soundgarden (USA) - Badmotorfinger (1991)
Enjoy yourself, brothers and sisters! 
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 21 2022 at 04:53
Toto - Tambu (1995) Simple Minds - Good News From The Next World (1995) Coverdale Page - s/t (1993) Testament - The Ritual (1992) Death Angel - Act III (1990) Paradise Lost - Icon (1993) a-ha - East Of The Sun, West Of The Moon (1990) Sanctuary - Into the Mirror Black (1990) Solitude Aeturnus - Into The Depths Of Sorrow (1991) Lethal - Programmed (1990) Enola Gay - F.O.T.H (1995) The Gallery - Dreamscapes (1997) Evereve - Seasons (1996) Van Halen - For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge (1991) Paul Rodgers - Now (1997)
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Posted By: Archisorcerus
Date Posted: May 21 2022 at 05:08
Bruce Dickinson - Accident of Birth Bruce Dickinson - The Chemical Wedding In Flames - The Jester Race The Prodigy - The Fat of the Land Scorpions - Face the Heat Obituary - The End Complete Cradle of Filth - Dusk and Her Embrace Cradle of Filth - Cruelty and the Beast The Kovenant - Nexus Polaris Limbonic Art - In Abhorrence Dementia The Offspring - Ixnay on the Hombre Dungeons & Dragons: Shadow Over Mystara (game soundtrack) Dimmu Borgir - Enthrone Darkness Triumphant Amorphis - Tuonela Megadeth - Youthanasia
There are many more, for sure. These are the first 15 that came to my mind amongst my absolute favourite non-prog albums from the '90s.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 21 2022 at 05:15
Archisorcerus wrote:
Bruce Dickinson - Accident of Birth Bruce Dickinson - The Chemical Wedding In Flames - The Jester Race Scorpions - Face the Heat Amorphis - Tuonela Megadeth - Youthanasia
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these are really good! 
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: May 21 2022 at 05:21
I love these...
Cocteau Twins - Heaven or Las Vegas (1990) Jane's Addiction - Ritual de lo Ηabitual (1990) Sonny Sharrock - Ask the Ages (1991) Carcass - Necroticism: Descanting the Insalubrious (1991) Alice in Chains - Dirt (1992) Adam Rudolph's Moving Pictures - Skyway (1994) Portishead - Dummy (1994) Arnold Dreyblatt - Animal Magnetism (1995) Trembling Strain - Four Pictures ~四つの弔歌~ (1995) Stereolab - Dots and Loops (1997) Ween - The Mollusk (1997) PJ Harvey - Is This Desire? (1998) Mos Def - Black on Both Sides (1999) The Necks - Hanging Gardens (1999)
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: May 21 2022 at 05:47
Jellyfish - Bellybutton Jellyfish - Spilt Milk Freak Kitchen - Spanking Hour Freak Kitchen - s/t Eric Johnson - Ah Via Musicom New York Stories - Volume One Charles Fambrough - The Proper Angle Alice In Chains - Dirt Roy Hargrove - Of Kindred Souls MVP - Truth in Shredding Kenny Kirkland - s/t Bobby Watson & Horizon - Post-Mowtown Bob Kenny Barron - Other Places Soundgarden - Superunknown XTC - Nonsuch
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 21 2022 at 06:22
my welcome to the first ones to join the non-Prog 90's 
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 21 2022 at 06:24
Grumpyprogfan wrote:
Alice In Chains - Dirt
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Saperlipopette! wrote:
Alice in Chains - Dirt (1992)
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I'm quite fond of this one, too.
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Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: May 21 2022 at 07:31
Off the top of my head: Sade Love Deluxe Brainscapes Chakradancer Everything But the Girl Walking Wounded Luther Vandross Power of Love Janet Jackson Janet. Soul Family Sensation New Wave R. Carlos Nakai & Nawang Khechog Winds of Devotion Seal Seal (II - 1994) Pearl Jam TenAlanis Morrissette Jagged Little Pill John McLaughlin Time Remembered
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: May 21 2022 at 08:01
The Necks - Hanging Garden Deathprod - Treetop Drive Steve Reich - Music for 18 Musicians Spratleys Japs - Pony Boards Of Canada - Music has the Right to Children Alice In Chains - Dirt Richard Thompson - Mock Tudor Leonard Cohen - The Future John Lee Hooker - Mr Lucky Andy Sheppard - Soft On The Inside Depeche Mode - Violator Pearl Jam - Vs
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Posted By: Hiram
Date Posted: May 21 2022 at 08:04
These three right off the top of my head, not only my 90s non-prog favourites, but among my all-time favs:
PJ Harvey - To Bring You My Love Sonic Youth - Dirty Tom Waits - Bone Machine
also:
Einstürzende Neubauten - Ende Neu Jesus Lizard - Goat Melvins - Houdini and Stoner Witch
+ loads of Finnish albums no one abroad has heard of + loads of early 90s death and black metal albums
edit: added some
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: May 21 2022 at 08:09
12 Lenny
Kravitz – Let Love Rule
11 Madredeus Existir
10 Heroes
del Silencio Senderos de Traición
10
Litfiba El Diablo
10 Tori
Amos - Little Eartquakes
11 Neil
Young & C H - Arc/Weld
12
Outback Dance the Devil
Away Oz
12 Red Hot
Chili Peppers Blood Sugar Sex
Magik
11
Nirvana Nevermind
11 Noir
Désir Tostaky
11 FFF -
Free For Fever Fra
10 Jolly
Joker & The Plastic Beatles of the Universe Heavy, Funky, Boxing n' Roll CzR 12 Bjork - Debut
11 Page,
Jimmy / Robert Plant No Quarter: Jimmy
Page & Robert Plant Unledded
13
Portishead Dummy
10
dEUS Worst Case Scenario Bel
10 Pearl
Jam Ten/Vs/Vitalogy
12 Red Hot
Chili Peppers One Hot Minute
10
Lowercase Kill the Lights USA
10 Orange
Blossom Orange Blossom Fra
10
Iditarod The River
Nektar USA
The numbers before it (over 15) give you an idea how much I like them.
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: May 21 2022 at 08:34
Sean Trane wrote:
12 Lenny
Kravitz – Let Love Rule
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You're favorite non-prog album for this whole decade was released in September 1989:)
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: May 21 2022 at 09:04
Not listed on PA, every artist once, 1990-1995 (that's well enough to get to 15 with excellent albums)
Seigmen - Metropolis
Scorn - Gyral Cpt. Kirk & - Reformhoelle
Killing Joke - Extremities, Dirt, and Various Regressed Emotions Blumfeld - L'Etat Et Moi
Comsat Angels - The Glamour
Shudder To Think - Get Your Goat
Suzanne Vega - Days of Open Hand Aphex Twin - Selected Ambient Works Vol. II
Tear Garden - The Last Man To Fly The Cure - Wish
Nirvana - Nevermind The Grassy Knoll - s/t
Jeff Buckley - Grace Geteilte Koepfe - Don't Ask
(Edit: I had to kick Astor Piazzolla out as that was 1986. I even had already listed it in the eighties; it ended up here because the edition that I have in my machine is dated 1990.)
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 21 2022 at 09:20
Hiram wrote:
PJ Harvey - To Bring You My Love |
nice to see that one listed by you as well
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 21 2022 at 09:29
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
Alice In Chains - Dirt
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You can suprise me a bit with this one, but it confirms me in liking it, as this album has been rather critically received among "feinschmeckers".
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: May 21 2022 at 09:52
David_D wrote:
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
Alice In Chains - Dirt
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You can suprise me a bit with this one, but it confirms me in liking it, as this album has been rather critically received among "feinschmeckers". |
I like plenty of non-gourmet music, punk, blues, grunge amongst the more esoteric
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Posted By: The Anders
Date Posted: May 21 2022 at 11:44
Too much to choose from.
Björk - Post bob hund - Omsl*g: Martin Kann Blur - Parklife Jeff Buckley - Grace Eric Clapton - Unplugged Einstürzende Neubauten - Tabula Rasa Hedningarna - Trä
Kashmir - The Good Life Love Shop - Go
Nirvana - In Utero Portishead - Dummy Pulp - Different Class
R.E.M. - Automatic for the People Sorten Muld - Mark II Sort Sol - Flow my Firetear
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Posted By: The Anders
Date Posted: May 21 2022 at 11:57
What does PA have against the word o-m-s-l-a-g? Here it just means cover art.
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: May 21 2022 at 11:58
The Anders wrote:
Einstürzende Neubauten - Tabula Rasa | Now there's an album I've forgotten a little. I used to listen to it a lot.
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Posted By: Hiram
Date Posted: May 21 2022 at 12:13
Saperlipopette! wrote:
The Anders wrote:
Einstürzende Neubauten - Tabula Rasa | Now there's an album I've forgotten a little. I used to listen to it a lot.
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Same here! Although I prefer the following Ende Neu, and am going to add it to my list above.
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: May 21 2022 at 12:25
The Anders wrote:
What does PA have against the word o-m-s-l-a-g? Here it just means cover art. |
My guess is the last 4 letters when said in English
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 21 2022 at 12:53
The Anders wrote:
Nirvana - In Utero
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nice to see this one listed by you as well
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 21 2022 at 12:57
I've noticed, but I meant that particularly this album hasn't been so well received among Metal "feinschmeckers" - more like Jar of Flies.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: May 21 2022 at 17:00
Saperlipopette! wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
12 Lenny
Kravitz – Let Love Rule
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You're favorite non-prog album for this whole decade was released in September 1989:)
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just because it's first listed on my list doesn't mean it's my fave
And TBH, in Continental Europe, Let Love Rule had its commercial life in 1990.
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: May 21 2022 at 17:04
Sean Trane wrote:
Saperlipopette! wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
12 Lenny
Kravitz – Let Love Rule
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You're favorite non-prog album for this whole decade was released in September 1989:)
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just because it's first listed on my list doesn't mean it's my fave | I figured it had to be as it's the only one you gave a rating as high as a 12
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Posted By: The Anders
Date Posted: May 21 2022 at 18:40
David_D wrote:
The Anders wrote:
Nirvana - In Utero
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nice to see this one listed by you as well |
Indeed. I think I prefer it to Nevermind. It is less streamlined and a bit more edgy.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 22 2022 at 01:35
The Anders wrote:
David_D wrote:
The Anders wrote:
Nirvana - In Utero
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nice to see this one listed by you as well |
Indeed. I think I prefer it to Nevermind. It is less streamlined and a bit more edgy.
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So do I, and agree.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 22 2022 at 01:42
Saperlipopette! wrote:
I figured it had to be as it's the only one you gave a rating as high as a 12
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You haven't had very good look at his list, Saperlipopette! 
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: May 22 2022 at 02:03
Hiram wrote:
+ loads of early 90s death and black metal albums | I never really "warmed up" to 1990's black metal. I have a hard time listenting to most mid-to late 90's metal in general. Death Metal largely became generic, lifeless and sterile while in the opposite corner most Black Metal felt like the "dogme95 film" version of metal. An understandable reaction perhaps. Sort of like punk to prog and grunge to hair metal. But all it's restricting rules and (as a result of that) their sound esthetics had little appeal to me. But I'm into plenty of early 1990's death metal and the sort of too late to the party, aggressive death/thrash bands (such as Morbid Saint, Sadus, Demolition Hammer, Аспид [Aspid], Hellwitch, Ripping Corpse, Epidemic...) of the same era.
Along with the Carcass-album on my list I also considered Bolt Thrower - The IVth Crusade and a 1996 BM-exception: Kvist - For kunsten maa vi evig vike - which I find thick in atmosphere and full of beauty + it sounds more than decent enough.
-anyway; I would be interested in learning some of your fave 90's death and black metal albums.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 22 2022 at 02:58
a good post this last one of yours, Saperlipopette! 
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: May 22 2022 at 03:33
David_D wrote:
a good post this last one of yours, Saperlipopette!  | Thank you!
David_D wrote:
Saperlipopette! wrote:
I figured it had to be as it's the only one you gave a rating as high as a 12
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You haven't had very good look at his list, Saperlipopette! 
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That's true. It appeared that way at a quick glance - and I knew
Let Love Rule was a late 1980's album - which is still correct... and
really all I should have commented about. Linda Perhacs - Parallelograms wasn't released until sometime in the 2000's in Europe, but it's a 1970-album nevertheless.
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Posted By: Hiram
Date Posted: May 22 2022 at 03:58
Saperlipopette! wrote:
Hiram wrote:
+ loads of early 90s death and black metal albums | I never really "warmed up" to 1990's black metal. I have a hard time listenting to most mid-to late 90's metal in general. Death Metal largely became generic, lifeless and sterile while in the opposite corner most Black Metal felt like the "dogme95 film" version of metal. An understandable reaction perhaps. Sort of like punk to prog and grunge to hair metal. But all it's restricting rules and (as a result of that) their sound esthetics had little appeal to me. But I'm into plenty of early 1990's death metal and the sort of too late to the party, aggressive death/thrash bands (such as Morbid Saint, Sadus, Demolition Hammer, Аспид [Aspid], Hellwitch, Ripping Corpse, Epidemic...) of the same era.
Along with the Carcass-album on my list I also considered Bolt Thrower - The IVth Crusade and a 1996 BM-exception: Kvist - For kunsten maa vi evig vike - which I find thick in atmosphere and full of beauty + it sounds more than decent enough.
-anyway; I would be interested in learning some of your fave 90's death and black metal albums.
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Autopsy - Mental Funeral (just listened to it last night actually) Darkthrone - Soulside Journey, A Blaze in the Northern Sky, Under a Funeral Moon, Transilvanian Hunger Morbid Angel - Blessed Are the Sick, Covenant Entombed - Left Hand Path, Clandestine Amorphis - Karelian Isthmus, Tales form the Thousand Lakes Sentenced - Shadows of the Past, North from Here Convulse - World Without God Goatlord - Reflections of the Solstice Immortal - Diabolical Fullmoon Mysticism, Pure Holocaust, Battles in the North
Rather classic stuff, and for a reason.
Not death/black, but I'll also have to mention:
Skepticism - Stormcrowfleet, Lead and Aether Unholy - From the Shadows, Second Ring of Power Eyehategod - In the Name of Suffering, Take as Needed for Pain, Dopesick
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 22 2022 at 04:06
About the 90's from the book Rock Music Styles : a history. Fith Edition (McGraw Hill, 2008) by musicologist Katherine Charlton:
"Grunge Rock The roots of grunge rock can be found in the music and image of an important and influential "no wave" band from New York, Sonic Youth. They experimented with unusual guitar tunings and sound effects created by prepared instruments. ............... One of the first Seattle bands to gain a strong following was Soundgarden, which recorded its first EP, Screaming Life, in 1987. The term grunge represented the loud crunch of their typical guitar sound. Many of the grunge bands (many of which do not like the title) recorded under the Sub Pop record label, although Soundgarden eventually moved to A&M." (p. 337)
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: May 22 2022 at 04:42
Hiram wrote:
Autopsy - Mental Funeral (just listened to it last night actually) Darkthrone - Soulside Journey, A Blaze in the Northern Sky, Under a Funeral Moon, Transilvanian Hunger Morbid Angel - Blessed Are the Sick, Covenant Entombed - Left Hand Path, Clandestine Amorphis - Karelian Isthmus, Tales form the Thousand Lakes Sentenced - Shadows of the Past, North from Here Convulse - World Without God Goatlord - Reflections of the Solstice Immortal - Diabolical Fullmoon Mysticism, Pure Holocaust, Battles in the North
Rather classic stuff, and for a reason.
Not death/black, but I'll also have to mention:
Skepticism - Stormcrowfleet, Lead and Aether Unholy - From the Shadows, Second Ring of Power Eyehategod - In the Name of Suffering, Take as Needed for Pain, Dopesick
| Thanks! quite the fan of the Autopsy, Convulse and Morbid Angel albums and I've heard most of the Darkthrone, Entombed and Immortal albums.
Look forward to check out those I'm unfamilar with. Starting with Stormcrowfleet, as I have the feeling I need some classic funeral doom from Finland in my life.
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Posted By: The Anders
Date Posted: May 22 2022 at 06:27
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
The Anders wrote:
What does PA have against the word o-m-s-l-a-g? Here it just means cover art. |
My guess is the last 4 letters when said in English |
I had to look it up to find out that it doesn't always refer to a byproduct of iron ore.
I always found that kind of censorship strange. Even with those *'s, you can still figure out what it is supposed to say anyway.
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Posted By: Mirakaze
Date Posted: May 22 2022 at 07:37
A woefully underappreciated decade. There's no chance of me listing everything I like even when excluding prog-related artists and listing only one album per artist, but here's an attempt:
1. Goldie – Timeless 2. Lush – Spooky 3. DJ Shadow – Endtroducing 4. Boards Of Canada – Music Has The Right To Children 5. Cocteau Twins – Four-Calendar Café 6. Slowdive – Pygmalion 7. Failure – Fantastic Planet 8. Drop Nineteens – Mayfield 9. Art Of Noise – The Seduction Of Claude Debussy 10. Underworld – Second Toughest In The Infants 11. Eels – Beautiful Freak 12. Seefeel – Quique 13. Avishai Cohen – Adama 14. Derek Bailey – Guitar, Drums & Bass 15. Simon H. Fell – L’Huile Sur Le Feu
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 22 2022 at 08:41
I love the 90s for music, both for the acts that I have listed below that are not in PA, and also for albums by ones in PA (Swans, Art Zoyd, Björk, Höyry-kone etc.)
I'll do one album per act even though with some acts I would really like to mention multiple albums, and I am excluding albums included in Prog Archives which I don't think of as Prog. Some of these might be thought of as Prog or Prog associated by some, but none of these are in PA (to my knowledge). Alphabetically listed by act:
Air - Moon Safari Belle and Sebastian - If You're Feeling Sinister Boards of Canada - Music Has the Right to Children Broadcast - The Book Lovers Cardigans - Life Eels - Electro-Shock Blues Fishmans - Long Season The Flaming Lips - The Soft Bulletin PJ Harvey - To Bring You My Love Mercury Rev - Deserter's Songs The Necks - Hanging Gardens Neutral Milk Hotel - In the Aeroplane Over the Sea Portishead - Dummy Pram - Helium Pulp - This is Hardcore Stereolab - Dots and Loops
EDIT: That is 16, but I found the Cardigans omission glaring when looking back on the list.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 22 2022 at 08:58
I'd like to mention another fine Trip Hop album
Moloko (UK) - Do You Like My Tight Sweater (1995)
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Posted By: The Anders
Date Posted: May 22 2022 at 09:01
How could I forget Electro-Shock Blues. Great album.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 23 2022 at 03:18
More about Grunge:"GrungeFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Grunge (sometimes referred to as the Seattle sound) is an https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_rock" rel="nofollow - alternative rock https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_genre" rel="nofollow - genre and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subculture" rel="nofollow - subculture that emerged during the mid-1980s in the American https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Northwest" rel="nofollow - Pacific Northwest state of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_%28state%29" rel="nofollow - Washington , particularly in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle" rel="nofollow - Seattle and nearby towns. Grunge fuses elements of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punk_rock" rel="nofollow - punk rock and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_music" rel="nofollow - heavy metal , but without punk's structure and speed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grunge#cite_note-anderson2007C1-2" rel="nofollow - [2] The genre featured the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distortion_%28music%29" rel="nofollow - distorted https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_guitar" rel="nofollow - electric guitar sound used in both genres, although some bands performed with more emphasis on one or the other. Like these genres, grunge typically uses https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_guitar" rel="nofollow - electric guitar , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bass_guitar" rel="nofollow - bass guitar , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drums" rel="nofollow - drums and vocals. Grunge also incorporates influences from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indie_rock" rel="nofollow - indie rock bands such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_Youth" rel="nofollow - Sonic Youth . Lyrics are typically angst-filled and introspective, often addressing themes such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_alienation" rel="nofollow - social alienation , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doubt" rel="nofollow - self-doubt , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abuse" rel="nofollow - abuse , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neglect" rel="nofollow - neglect , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betrayal" rel="nofollow - betrayal , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_isolation" rel="nofollow - social and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_isolation" rel="nofollow - emotional isolation , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_trauma" rel="nofollow - psychological trauma and a desire for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty" rel="nofollow - freedom . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grunge#cite_note-4volumes-5" rel="nofollow - [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grunge#cite_note-AlanisMorissette-6" rel="nofollow - [6] "
( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grunge )
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: May 23 2022 at 03:38
^ and why do we need two superbasic posts about grunge that pretty much says the same thing? So grunge
is a form of rock that typically uses electric guitar, bass guitar, drums
and has vocals.
...also "All brontosauruses are thin at one end, much, much thicker in the middle, and then thin again at the far end."
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 23 2022 at 03:53
Saperlipopette! wrote:
^ and why do we need two superbasic posts about grunge that pretty much says the same thing? So grunge
is a form of rock that typically uses electric guitar, bass guitar, drums
and has vocals.
...also "All brontosauruses are thin at one end, much, much thicker in the middle, and then thin again at the far end."
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I wouldn't say, they say the same things, and they're from different sources, which is important when discussing the existence and character of Grunge.
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Posted By: Cambus741
Date Posted: May 23 2022 at 04:19
here goes. I wish to stress this is not in any kind of order:
Chumbawamba - Anarchy Adam Ant - Manners and Physique Adam Ant - Wonderful Roxette - Crash! Boom! Bang! Paul Roland - Gargoyles Levellers - Levelling the Land Current 93 - All the Pretty Little Horses Alanis Morisette - Jagged Little Pill Sophie B Hawkins - Tongues and Tails Enigma - MCMXC ad Al Stewart - Between the Wars Blur - Parklife Art of Noise - The Seduction of Claude Debussy Rage - Linguir Mortis Death in June - Take Care and Control
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 23 2022 at 04:23
David_D wrote:
Saperlipopette! wrote:
^ and why do we need two superbasic posts about grunge that pretty much says the same thing? So grunge
is a form of rock that typically uses electric guitar, bass guitar, drums
and has vocals.
...also "All brontosauruses are thin at one end, much, much thicker in the middle, and then thin again at the far end."
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I wouldn't say, they say the same things, and they're from different sources, which is important when discussing the existence and character of Grunge. |
I've thought this would be good as a little theme in this thread, and as a follow up to some discussion in the Punk thread, if you haven't seen it.
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: May 23 2022 at 04:38
^I think I've even contributed to it. It won't change my mind as to whether I think simply copying and
pasting a basic wikipedia (or something similar) articles about a genre without
some kind of angle to it - is a good basis for a(ny) discussion. Having a
personal opinion of sorts that's written in your own words - will give you a much more fruitful response than the one you got from me.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 25 2022 at 03:26
AllMusic about Grunge:" https://www.allmusic.com/genre/pop-rock-ma0000002613" rel="nofollow - Pop/Rock » https://www.allmusic.com/subgenre/alternative-indie-rock-ma0000012230" rel="nofollow - Alternative/Indie Rock » GrungeUsing the sludgy, murky sound of the Stooges and Black Sabbath as a foundation, Grunge was a hybrid of heavy metal and punk. Though the guitars were straight from early '70s metal, the aesthetic of grunge was far from metal. Both the lyrical approach and musical attack of grunge were adopted from punk, particularly the independent ideals of early '80s American hardcore. The first wave of grunge bands -- Green River, Mudhoney, Soundgarden -- were heavier than the second, which began with Nirvana. Nirvana was more melodic than their predecessors and they also had signature stop-start dynamics, which became a genre convention nearly as recognizable as fuzzy, distorted guitars. After Nirvana crossed over into the mainstream, grunge lost many of its independent and punk connections and became the most popular style of hard rock in the '90s."
( https://www.allmusic.com/style/grunge-ma0000002626 )
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 25 2022 at 03:29
I don't think anyone needs to be explained what grunge is.
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: May 25 2022 at 03:38
Cristi wrote:
I don't think anyone needs to be explained what
grunge is. |
Nope, I suppose I should have spelled it out as
clearly as you do because David_D just won't quit. Anyway:
Rock music is a
broad genre of popular music that originated as "rock and roll" in the
United States in the late 1940s and early 1950s, developing into a range
of different styles in the mid-1960s and later, particularly in the
United States and the United Kingdom.
Now let us discuss this "rock" thing!
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 25 2022 at 03:40
Saperlipopette! wrote:
Now let us discuss this "rock" thing! |
Even worse, what is pop music? 
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: May 25 2022 at 04:44
Music
vocal or instrumental sounds (or both) combined in such a way as to produce beauty of form, harmony, and expression of emotion.
------------- Ian
Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com
https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 25 2022 at 06:17
Okay, friends, we look differently at it. 
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 25 2022 at 06:38
I could've listed many more, but these are the first fifteen that come to mind.....
BAD COMPANY - Holy Water (1990) BLACK SABBATH - Tyr (1990) ENYA - Shepherd Moons (1991) ROBERT FOX - Blue Mountain Suite (1993) GLENN FREY - Strange Weather (1992) BILLY JOEL - River of Dreams (1993) ELTON JOHN - The One (1992) MADONNA - Ray of Light (1998) NIGHTWISH - Oceanborn (1998) ANDY PICKFORD - Replicant (1993) PREFAB SPROUT - Jordan: The Comeback (1990) CHRIS REA - La Passione (1996) BEKKI WILLIAMS - Elysian Fields (1996) DAVID WRIGHT - Dissimilar Views (1995) NEIL YOUNG - Harvest Moon (1992)
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 25 2022 at 09:08
Thank you very much, Paul. I know, this kind of list is not easy for you if it's not an A-Z list - which of course is difficult itself. 
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 25 2022 at 09:19
David_D wrote:
Thank you very much, Paul. I know, this kind of list is not easy for you if it's not an A-Z list - which of course is difficult itself. 
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Maybe I should have made it an A-Z list, then I could've included another ten albums in my list. 
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 25 2022 at 09:24
Cristi wrote:
Saperlipopette! wrote:
Now let us discuss this "rock" thing! |
Even worse, what is pop music?  |
Bucks Fizz is pop music in both senses - it's the name of a pop band and it's also fizzy pop. 
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 25 2022 at 12:36
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
David_D wrote:
Thank you very much, Paul. I know, this kind of list is not easy for you if it's not an A-Z list - which of course is difficult itself.  |
Maybe I should have made it an A-Z list, then I could've included another ten albums in my list.  |
You're always welcome, as you know.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 27 2022 at 07:26
Would anybody else like to tell about their fave non-Prog albums from the 90's?
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 27 2022 at 15:28
Some great lyrics:
Moloko - "Where Is the What if the What Is in Why?" (excerpt)
What is a god of phoney creation, Where am I going with no destination, What if the fish came from the sea, What if my lover made me feel free, What if my intake caused revelation, What if the point was reincarnation, What if my shoes don't match my jacket, If it's not working why don't you smack it, (from the album Do You Like My Tight Sweater? (1995))
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Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: September 10 2022 at 05:02
I missed posting when this came up earlier this year. I loves the 90s for music. So much. Here are 15 of my favorites in a random order.
The Eels - Electro-Shock Blues (1998) Leftfield - Leftism (1995) Tribe After Tribe - Love Under Will (1993) The Black Crowes - The Southern Harmony and Musical Companion (1992) Spiritualized - Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating in Space (1997) Pearl Jam - Ten (1991) Sugar - Copper Blue (1992) Afghan Whigs - 1965 (1998) Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream (1993) Jane's Addiction - Ritual de lo Habitual (1990) Faith No More - Angel Dust (1992) Kyuss - Blues for the Red Sun (1992) Masters of Reality - Sunrise on the Sufferbus (1992) Primal Scream - Vanishing Point (1997) Blind Melon - Blind Melon (1992)
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 10 2022 at 05:51
mathman0806 wrote:
I missed posting when this came up earlier this year. I loves the 90s for music. So much. Here are 15 of my favorites in a random order.
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great, thanks
mathman0806 wrote:
Kyuss - Blues for the Red Sun (1992) Primal Scream - Vanishing Point (1997)
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good friends of mine as well
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Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: September 10 2022 at 06:31
^Kyuss is great! I saw you had listed Sky Valley and that one is a favorite is well. I first heard Kyuss (known as Sons of Kyuss) when they opened for Masters of Reality (also made my 15 albums of the 90s). That must have been 1991 as it was right when Ginger Baker joined Masters of Reality.
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