Eclectic Prog Friends' Imaginative Club
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Topic: Eclectic Prog Friends' Imaginative Club
Posted By: David_D
Subject: Eclectic Prog Friends' Imaginative Club
Date Posted: May 04 2022 at 04:18
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To become member of this very special club, please tell which Eclectic Prog albums you're fond of. Another rule is that particularly Honourable Members will be appointed depending on appreciation of The Big Three of Eclectic Prog, and that means King Crimson, Van der Graaf Generator and Gentle Giant. I'm fond of: Budka Suflera (PL) - Cien Wielkiej Gory (1975) Catapilla (UK) - Catapilla (1971) Ciccada (GR) - A Child in the Mirror (2010) Djam Karet (US) - Reflections From The Firepool (1989) Gentle Giant (UK) - Acquiring the Taste (1971) Gordian Knot (US) - Gordian Knot (1998) Marek Grechuta & Anawa (PL) - Korowód (1971) Steve Hackett (UK) - Voyage of the Acolyte (1975) King Crimson (UK) - ITCOTCK, Larks’ Tongues, Red ('69,70's) Manfred Mann's Earth Band (UK) - Solar Fire (1974) Nemo (F) - Prelude a la Ruine (2004) Czeslaw Niemen (PL) - Enigmatic, Niemen Aerolit, Katharsis (´'69,70's) SBB (PL) - 2: Nowy Horyzont, Welcome (70's) Sheshet (Israel) - Sheshet (1977) Skaldowie (PL) - Krywań Krywań (1972) Terreno Baldio (BRA) - Terreno Baldio (1976) Van der Graaf Generator (UK) - H to He, Godbluff, Still Life (70's) not on PA, but a fine album and maybe closest to Eclectic Prog - even much influenced by Metal (like Skymind though): Aesma Daeva (USA) - The Eros of Frigid Beauty (2001) I hope you'll enjoy yourself and may Eclectic Prog be with you! ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 04 2022 at 06:35
My A-Z of Eclectic Prog favourites:- 1976: Absolute Elsewhere - In Search of Ancient Gods - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l1PWRzBzSJLiAbHJyBuTavdm5_RF1v3Vs" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l1PWRzBzSJLiAbHJyBuTavdm5_RF1v3Vs  1978: Bubu - Anabelas - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k4up6HWvEb3p3s_8TZrCVgwO-hK9IQ6tQ" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k4up6HWvEb3p3s_8TZrCVgwO-hK9IQ6tQ 1972: Catapilla - Changes - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lDhIntle0a3vHJeZ06hnjusBBgNR66Hwg" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lDhIntle0a3vHJeZ06hnjusBBgNR66Hwg 1978: Dice - Dice - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBgrYIi7S9w&t=823s" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBgrYIi7S9w&t=823s 1969: East of Eden - Mercator Projected - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ke4xIXppBK3D8_-4roOJnGX-7CkaEfm74" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ke4xIXppBK3D8_-4roOJnGX-7CkaEfm74 1971: Flasket Brinner - Flasket Brinner - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGWBw5NsMiY" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGWBw5NsMiY 1970: The Greatest Show on Earth - Horizons - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m59QlRFwnN0&t=2422s" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m59QlRFwnN0&t=2422s 1993: Steve Hackett - Guitar Noir - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEagjj0-tJ9m0U7eMr7E7LPe" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEagjj0-tJ9m0U7eMr7E7LPe 1977: Illusion - Out of the Mist - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLP0IenmeCOtxoSIGodDVDiYWoU3tOTTH" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLP0IenmeCOtxoSIGodDVDiYWoU3tOTTH _ 1970: Julian's Treatment - A Time Before This - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLiNqq_Jm9dh_tT7cv01LDNGTZcypS0vpX" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLiNqq_Jm9dh_tT7cv01LDNGTZcypS0vpX 1969: King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXhfRoiJBIiuXOUv_7EJ1i7UKj0aGfy0U" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXhfRoiJBIiuXOUv_7EJ1i7UKj0aGfy0U 1973: Laser Pace - Granfalloon - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=699F68dNYYM" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=699F68dNYYM 1970: Marsupilami - Marsupilami - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_myAl5Hq7MikJkxdE1HEY2k7yUYoIKVpY4" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_myAl5Hq7MikJkxdE1HEY2k7yUYoIKVpY4 1976: Nova - Atlantis - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm1DizsYYj4&t=1405s" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm1DizsYYj4&t=1405s 1978: Odyssee - White Swan - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xms0AHhVnp4&t=1708s" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xms0AHhVnp4&t=1708s 1973: Peggy's Leg - Grinilla - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPLlWZ2pPKI" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPLlWZ2pPKI 2012: Quilt - +5 to Strength - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLaA7V5zufINvmPmuxKaeUW05XBMmGnl_f" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLaA7V5zufINvmPmuxKaeUW05XBMmGnl_f 1971: Raw Material - Time Is.... - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TprBPdbjSbk" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TprBPdbjSbk 1971: Spring - Spring - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lQg8GiWHT46fiKGRpK7Slfu3BiMwn_R8U" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lQg8GiWHT46fiKGRpK7Slfu3BiMwn_R8U 2006: The Tangent - A Place in the Queue - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEajbXCRB7tc9jY6adfUZSj0" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEajbXCRB7tc9jY6adfUZSj0 1978: UK - UK - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lRmLgTPDecdD37neDBgZIhbLAqwdmkaP8" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lRmLgTPDecdD37neDBgZIhbLAqwdmkaP8 1970: Van der Graaf Generator - The Least We Can Do is Wave to Each Other - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lNuUilJm-b2csXdNoaBVzfCvJFuEhYIfo" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lNuUilJm-b2csXdNoaBVzfCvJFuEhYIfo 1972: Walpurgis - Queen of Saba - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n_5zNe5gpELsZYvwJfQxtmiI_9BJs5gBg" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n_5zNe5gpELsZYvwJfQxtmiI_9BJs5gBg 1969: Xhol Caravan - Electrip - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPwtFasX4Yk&t=1179s" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPwtFasX4Yk&t=1179s 1971: Year One - Year One - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clf0byl9gyU&t=646s" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clf0byl9gyU&t=646s 2006: Zita Ensemble - Volume 1 - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mHfTTCR9YcEkMoUQiCqfsVMmi_wZjpy-w" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mHfTTCR9YcEkMoUQiCqfsVMmi_wZjpy-w |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 04 2022 at 06:43
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Impressing and interesting to see a new A-Z list from you, Paul.  ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 04 2022 at 07:08
Thanks! It was easier than I thought to assemble an A-Z of Eclectic Prog, when the only obvious entry was for the letter "K"
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David_D wrote:Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: May 04 2022 at 08:49
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Adrian Belew - Lone Rhino and Twang Bar King Bubblemath - Both releases. Third one on the way soon!! Gentle Giant - All but Giant for a Day Happy the Man - Crafty Hands King Crimson - Red and Discipline Marco Minnemann - The Green Mindbomb, Broken Orange, EEPS, Celebration, Schattenspiel, Borrego, and My Sister Steve Morse Band - The Introduction, High Tension Wires, and Southern Steel Ske - Both releases Thieves' Kitchen - All releases U.K. - Both releases Utopia - Todd Rundgren's Utopia, RA, Oops! Wrong Planet, Adventures in Utopia, and Trivia Wippy Bonstack - Wippy Bonstack's Dataland |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 04 2022 at 10:41
I'd say, it's quite obvious for the letter "V" as well, even not everybody of course are fond of at least one VdGG album. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 04 2022 at 15:41
But that doesn't make much difference.
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: May 04 2022 at 16:24
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Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: May 04 2022 at 17:06
| What is eclectic prog ? |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 04 2022 at 22:28
The only band I like beginning with the letter "X" is Xhol Caravan.
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: May 05 2022 at 00:18
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 05 2022 at 00:21
To be honest, XTC aren't my cup of tea.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 05 2022 at 01:16
" Eclectic Prog definition The term 'eclectic' in the context of progressive rock describes a summation of elements from various musical sources, and the influences and career paths of bands that take from a wide range of genres or styles. While progressive music can be, in a larger sense, eclectic, the 'Eclectic Prog' term is specially meant to reference bands that trespass the boundaries of established Progressive Rock genres or that blend many influences.Eclectic Prog combines hybrids of style and diversity of theme, promoting many elements from different sources. The Eclectic category recognizes bands that evolved markedly over their career (in a progressive, evolutionary way), or have a plural style without a clear referential core. The basic features lie within the music's variety, rich influences, art tendencies and classic prog rock elements. Among the representative bands are KING CRIMSON, VAN DER GRAAF GENERATOR, and GENTLE GIANT. - written by Ricochet (Victor)" ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 05 2022 at 01:42
Besides that, x means "unknown", right?  ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 05 2022 at 01:53
X-actly, and besides which, XTC are too X-treme for my conservative tastes. I suppose Xhol Caravan might be considered Eclectic Prog, as all of their albums are very different. For X-ample, Electrictrip (1969) sounds nothing like their 1972 album, the title of which I dare not even mention.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 05 2022 at 01:56
You can see PA's list of Eclectic Prog bands at the end of this page http://www.progarchives.com/subgenre.asp?style=42 ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 05 2022 at 02:06
and not Prog
as much of Krautrock is very eclectic.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 05 2022 at 02:13
....and not least Xhol Caravan, if just looking at PA's description of this band. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 05 2022 at 02:59
In that case, I'll add Xhol Caravan to my above list of Eclectic Prog favourites, even though Cristi would probably object to their inclusion if he was here.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 05 2022 at 06:47
I've added some more albums to my list as well. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 06 2022 at 04:29
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Anyone else to join this so far very exclusive club of Eclectic Prog friends? ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 06 2022 at 07:14
That's true. I'm not fond of Pawn Hearts, but the least we can do is give it a mention. The only other viable option for the letter "V" was the very obscure (but very good) Visitor 2035.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 06 2022 at 07:31
I'm not fond of Pawn Hearts either. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 06 2022 at 08:14
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After thinking some more about your A-Z list, Paul, I'd say it's not only impressive but very amazing that you can be fond of so many Eclectic Prog albums so you can make a list like that - for not to talk about the other A-Z lists, you've made. You can't like everything for sure, but your musical tastes are very very including. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 06 2022 at 08:31
Thanks. You've just reminded me that I still haven't got around to putting together my A-Z list of Progressive Electronic favourites.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 06 2022 at 09:44
Then you remember it better than I do. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: wiz_d_kidd
Date Posted: May 06 2022 at 09:55
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Favorites: Daal - Decalogue of Darkness Days Between Stations - In Extremis Herd of Instinct - Unravel Infinien - Light at the Endless Tunnel King Crimson - Red Lazuli - Tant Que L'herbe Est Grasse Lizard - Spam Mad Fellaz - Mad Fellaz II Makajodama - Makajodama NIL - Novo Sub Sole Rozmainsky & Mikhaylov Project - Adventures at the Babooninumfest 2018 Stick Men - Midori Tripcycle - Beep UK - UK Honorable mention: Fromuz Gentle Giant Trey Gunn It's The End Mr. Hyde Philharmonie Platurno RTFact Sanhedrin |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 06 2022 at 10:00
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very welcome to you joining this club, wiz_d_kidd ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 06 2022 at 13:06
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I can reveal that I'm curious about who will show to be the one most fond of The Big Three of Eclectic Prog. So to me this thread is like a kind of poll - but it surely has a slow start.  ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: May 06 2022 at 14:01
| Thanks all for the definition of eclectic prog |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: May 06 2022 at 14:13
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 06 2022 at 15:40
I reckon
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: May 06 2022 at 21:01
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King Crimson - Larks Tongues In Aspic VDGG - Godbluff Gentle Giant - In A Glass House William D Drake - The Rising Of The Lights Steve Hackett - Voyage of the Acolyte Kultivator - Barndomens Stigar Happy The Man - Crafty Hands Gosta Berlings Saga - Glue Works Gordian Knot - s/t Djam Karet - The Devouring Bubblemath - Edit Peptide Bubu - Anabelas Trey Gunn - The Joy of Molybdenum Sky - Sky II If I went with more than 1 per artist then my top 10 would be King Crimson - LTiA, Red, Great Deceiver Box, S&BB, ITCOTCK VDGG - Godbluff, Pawn Hearts, H to HE GG - IAGH, Octopus ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 07 2022 at 02:14
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Aallriight! Now we're moving!  ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: May 07 2022 at 06:51
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Mentioning only the albums that I would rate 5 stars, by bands filed under Eclectic Prog: Akt - Blemmebeya Alquin - The Mountain Queen Areknamés - In Case of Loss... Ciccada - Harvest Days between Stations - In Extremis Gentle Giant - Free Hand, In a Glass House, Three Friends Gnidrolog - Lady Lake Peter Hammill - Chameleon in the Shadow of the Night King Crimson - Islands Manfred Mann's Earth Band - Solar Fire Nice Beaver - The Time It Iakes Oblivion Sun - The High Places Shamblemaths - both albums The Tangent - A Place in the Queue Traffic - John Barleycorn Must Die UK - Danger Money Van der Graaf Generator - Still Life, Godbluff, H to He, The Least We Can Do Is Wave to Each Other ------------- 
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Posted By: wiz_d_kidd
Date Posted: May 07 2022 at 07:09
I wager it will NOT be me: King Crimson - 15 titles Gentle Giant - 11 titles VDGG - 0 titles
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 07 2022 at 07:27
It won't be me either:- King Crimson - one album Gentle Giant - none VDGG - two albums
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: May 07 2022 at 07:38
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KC 31 GG 8 VDGG 9 What the hells up with the thread title? ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 07 2022 at 08:02
At least it's a more original thread title than "An A-Z of Eclectic Prog", which is what I would've named it.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 07 2022 at 08:28
It has been updated - see the edited OP. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 07 2022 at 08:35
and thanks------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 07 2022 at 08:56
It can happen that it'll be updated/changed a bit again depending on how it goes with this thread.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 07 2022 at 19:18
To become one of the Honourable Members, you must be fond of at least one album by each of The Three Big of Eclectic Prog. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: May 07 2022 at 19:51
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Ftenor.com%2Fview%2Femoji-laugh-laughing-crying-gif-10362019&psig=AOvVaw1YfZD447b3Zj9NAcsbp4gi&ust=1652060977504000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAwQjRxqFwoTCIjelIrlzvcCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAW" rel="nofollow">  ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 07 2022 at 20:03
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Everybody doesn't have to know that, Atavachron, and anyway, why to react like this? ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: May 07 2022 at 20:13
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Oh c'mon, man, that's funny. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: May 07 2022 at 20:45
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Agreed its a weird genre name that kinda works ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: May 07 2022 at 21:07
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I wasn't laughing at that member, I was laughing at how obscure eclectic prog really is - Sorry for the trolling - ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 08 2022 at 04:08
update
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 08 2022 at 04:32
Okay, not that I agree, but you're still welcome to become a member of this club, and can be appointed as an Honourable Member, as well. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: May 08 2022 at 05:19
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Dang it. I'm disqualified to be an Honourable Member.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 08 2022 at 05:36
Don't be so sure about that, as there can be some special circumstances/reasons. Actually, the members list is on its way, and it'll prove otherwise. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 08 2022 at 06:07
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The members list of Eclectic Prog Friends' Exclusive Club: The present members are (in the chronological order of joining EPFEC): David, Paul, Grumpy, Wizdkidd, Nogbad and Someone The Honourable Members are (in the order of the degree of The Big Three appreciation): Nogbad, Someone and David Additionally, following members have been appointed as Honourable: Paul - for being one of the first three members to join, for appreciation of albums by two of The Three Big, and for being able to make not least than an A-Z list of Eclectic Prog artist appreciation Grumpy - for being one of the first three members to join, for appreciation of albums by two of The Three Big, and for appreciation of very large number of GG albums Wizdkidd - for being one of the very first members to join, and for appreciation of very large number of KC and GG albums Besides that, Nogbad has been appointed as The Most Honourable Member for the very largest appreciation of The Big Three albums - actually an incredibly large number of each band.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 08 2022 at 08:55
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When talking about The Big Three of Eclectic Prog btw, it can be mentioned that Steve Hackett is a kind of Big Fourth - I think. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 08 2022 at 10:46
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When talking about Eclectic Prog as a genre, I've noticed something interesting about Polish Prog Rock in the 70's. The Polish albums on my list here are about all the Polish most well-known and highest rated/mostly internationally appreciated to be, which indicates that Polish Prog in the 70's was mainly Eclectic - at least as classified by PA. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 08 2022 at 12:50
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News update: A bit disquieting rumour says that members of EPFEC are sometimes called "Friends of ITCHYCOCK". ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 08 2022 at 12:51
When it comes to Eclectic Prog, Steve Hackett is my #1 choice and none of "The Big Three" are even in my Top 10.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 08 2022 at 13:57
My Friend!? This statement puts your appointment as Honourable Member in danger.  ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 08 2022 at 14:46
That's okay. I'm probably more suited to the Symphonic Prog club.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 08 2022 at 15:01
Well, concerning myself, I could be even more fond of Symphonic club than Eclectic as well. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: May 08 2022 at 15:43
Thank you but that's okay, I helped create Eclectic Prog, no need to be a club member. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 08 2022 at 16:33
Did you? That could be very interesting to hear something about - if you could tell? ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: May 08 2022 at 21:55
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It's an epic tale of war & romance, suffice to say Art Rock needed an updating and was divided into Ec, Cros, and Hev , none of which actually existed at that point . ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 09 2022 at 00:04
But I wouldn't be more fond of joining a Symphonic Metal club. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 09 2022 at 01:09
And when was it? ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Progrocco
Date Posted: May 09 2022 at 09:40
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King Crimson and Van Der Graaf Generator are two of my top 5 favourite bands of all time, and Gentle Giant is close. Not sure that I have a favourite album from any of these bands as there are too many excellent ones. I will instead say that I think Lizard, Trisector and Civilian are three underrated albums by these three fine bands in my opinion. ------------- I've authored the first-ever Prog Rock Murder Mystery. Available in ebook and paperback format at: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09NKWGJ3S |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 09 2022 at 12:44
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It would be nice if you told about other Eclectic Prog albums, you're fond of, than the ones of The Big Three, Progrocco, but you're accepted as a new member, and my very welcome to you. When that is said, there're certainly good reasons to appoint you as an Honourable Member as well - my congratulations. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 09 2022 at 12:48
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Members list update: The members list of Eclectic Prog Friends' Exclusive Club: The present members are (in the chronological order of joining EPFEC): David, Paul, Grumpy, Wizdkidd, Nogbad, Someone and Progrocco The Honourable Members are (in the order of the degree of The Big Three appreciation): Nogbad, Progrocco, Someone and David Additionally, following members have been appointed as Honourable: Paul - for being one of the first three members to join, for appreciation of albums by two of The Three Big, and for being able to make not least than an A-Z list of Eclectic Prog artist appreciation Grumpy - for being one of the first three members to join, for appreciation of albums by two of The Three Big, and for appreciation of very large number of GG albums Wizdkidd - for being one of the very first members to join, and for appreciation of very large number of KC and GG albums Besides that, Nogbad has been appointed as The Most Honourable Member for the very largest appreciation of The Big Three albums - actually an incredibly large number of each band. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 10 2022 at 01:08
"Existing" is a tricky question, as things can exist without anybody being aware of it. By that, I don't argue that what the term "Eclectic Prog" refers to did exist in the 70's. I just leave it as a possibility. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 10 2022 at 03:54
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Concerning the history of using the term "Eclectic Prog", when I wrote my Prog defining article in 2010, discussed on PA at that time and including description of "the main sub-genres", the term "Eclectic Prog" was quite sure already in use as a sub-genre on PA: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=72615&FID=58 ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: May 10 2022 at 04:34
I believe the split in Art Rock on PA occurred in 2007. I could be wrong. ------------- https://tinyurl.com/nickhnz-tpa" rel="nofollow - Reviewer for The Progressive Aspect |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 11 2022 at 03:58
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Anyway, it can be noticed that this club is still quite exclusive, and I miss some more friends of The Big Three, and other Eclectic bands. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 11 2022 at 04:21
There's an awful lot of Eclectic Prog in your blog, but that's much preferable to a lot of awful Eclectic Prog, if you follow my meaning.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 11 2022 at 05:42
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Well, anyway, a bit of Eclectic lyrics: VdGG - The Undercover Man (a part of) Here at the glass - all the usual problems, All the habitual farce. You ask, in uncertain voice, what you should do As if there were a choice But to carry on miming the song And hope that it all works out right. Tonight it all seems so strange - my spirit feels rigid, My body deranged; Still that's only from one point of view And we can't have illusion between me and you, My constant friend, ever close at hand - You and the undercover man. (from the album Godbluff (1975))
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: May 11 2022 at 06:37
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Here's some Adrian Belew lyrics. "Lone Rhinoceros" I'm a lone rhinoceros there ain't one hell of a lots of us left in this world I stand alone in my concrete cell where people stare and toss me Coke cans I guess it's better than being poached but I'd give my horn just to see my homeland I'm a lone rhinoceros there ain't one hell of a lots of us left in this world They say I am ugly, call me a beast I hear them snicker when I'm half asleep Is beauty such a big commodity I always heard it was only so deep I'm a lone rhinoceros there ain't one hell of a lots of us left in this world I know the zoos protect my species they give me food, collect my feces but I can't help it, I miss the past I'll never again see my good old mudbath |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 11 2022 at 07:58
nice ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 11 2022 at 08:05
Yes, I can follow your meaning. All members of this club are Honourable. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 11 2022 at 08:28
Whatever I mean by that. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 11 2022 at 08:34
I just hope I don't receive a dishonourable discharge from the club for not being a fan of Gentle Giant, King Crimson or Van der Graaf Generator.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 11 2022 at 08:56
no worry ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 11 2022 at 10:44
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News update: A rumour says that some people don't find the Eclectic sub-genre to be a true, organic one, and that prevents them from joining the club. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: May 11 2022 at 10:49
| ^ Don't pay attention to rumors. Their loss if they don't want to join. |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 11 2022 at 12:08
Another rumour says that the Eclectic sub-genre, being the most eclectic, is the truest, proggiest of all the sub-genres. And what to believe? ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 11 2022 at 12:21
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I was an early member of the Eclectic Prog team, a category, as said, that was created with the great Art Rock split in 2007. We, Ricochet (Viktor) and I (and later Moris/ Clarke as I recall), didn't describe it as a proper genre or subgenre, instead we thought of it just as a category which worked reasonably well for PA purposes. Multi-tagging albums with various genres would have been much better methinks, but this site's architecture doe not support that apparently. Of course there are many Prog acts that are truly eclectic outside of Eclectic Prog, and I tend to think of Prog commonly as inherently eclectic (eclectic by nature), but we used it for ones that we felt would have been appropriate for the Art Rock category, and crossed several of the Prog subgenres (for instance, if it mixed JRF, Symph, and Prog Folk) without leaning to much towards any of those. Often those acts would have fit other categories quite well, and quite often I found that our team, the Avant Prog team, and Crossover Prog would be discussing which one it would best fit, which lead to some fun suggestion threads with more discussion than one commonly finds now. If an eclectic Art Rock prog act was more on the pop, mainstream or "alternative rock" side, then often it would be chosen for Crossover Prog, If it was more experimental, weird or out there, then Neo-Prog. Just kidding, Avant-Prog. I'm not looking to be an honorary member of the club, as I am content in being a retired member of the Eclectic Prog team, but there is a lot that I like in the category. And quite a lot that I don't that is included in Eclectic (mixed bag). Some of my favourite albums in the category are (I could list many for GG, VdGG and KC and others but I usually only like to list one per band in such things but will go to three for the big names) and there are way more that I could list, but some of my faves included in PA's category... Jean-Claude Vannier - L'enfant assassin des mouches Bubu - Anabelas Haikara - Haikara Play du Jour - s/t Kultivator - Kultivator Jean-Paul Prat - Masal Ma banlieue flasque - Ma banlieue flasque Island - Pictures Gnidrolog - In Spite of Harry's Toe-nail Peter Hammill - The Silent Corner and the Empty Stage William D. Drake - Briny Hooves Carpe Diem - En regardant passer le temps Jean-Philippe Goude (et Olivier Colé) - Jeunes Années Gosta Berlings Saga - Jean-Pierre Alarcen -st Gentle Giant - Acquiring the Taste, Three Friends, Octopus Van Der Graaf Generator - Pawn Hearts, The Least We Can Do..., H to He... King Crimson - Lizard, Islands, Larks' Tongues in Aspic And as I am very into Swans, to me that is more of an Eclectic Prog band than a post-rock band. A lot of acts that I like I could describe as eclectic. Whatever people think of the category, clearly some of the acts in it are very respected. Putting things in boxes is handy for classification, it especially can help in finding musically related albums and acts, but eclectic is by its nature a pretty mixed bag. Still there is a certain kind of Art Rock core about it, which especially if one had been working with it in those early days one would likely be very receptive too. I often would think when evaluating music for Eclectic Prog: a) Is it Prog? b) Is it Art Rock? c} Does it cross several subgenres at PA without leaning too heavily towards any of them and what other categories could it fit? There were other considerations too. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 11 2022 at 13:14
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By the way, here's maybe an interesting intepretation of the lyrics from The Undercover Man: "Hammill writes some stunningly complex lyrics. This one appears to have several of his recurring "themes". Specifically, Mirrors and Illusion or the difference between perception and reality.I think the narrative arc is of a performer (Hammill) staring into his mirror and questioning his motives for being who he is. He's talking to his reflection - "You and the Undercover man". The undercover man is his subconscious. The cracking dam is a maybe reference to the possible consequences of self doubt. It's interesting to me that it also appears to be Hammill offering his own hand to his drowning self.I think this may mean that we have in ourselves to power of self control." (written by PBA on songmeannings.com) ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 11 2022 at 13:44
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Thank you very much, Logan, for telling us much more about the history and character of the Eclectic "sub-genre", and for your list as well. It looks like, you prefer not to be a member of this "club" at all, so I just welcome you to joining this thread - but that very much. And thank you very much again for your so informative post. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 11 2022 at 14:24
I'll give The Great Annihilator a new listen, and The Glowing Man as well. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 11 2022 at 15:07
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^ Hope you enjoy them. My favourite Swans albums are Soundtracks For the Blind, Children of God, The Great Annihilator, White Light From the Mouth of Infinity and the Glowing Man methinks. That may change and I still haven't heard all of them. Those are all quite different, but not as different as Swans can get. Sorry, I didn't want to sound like a party pooper, David and I appreciate your post. I don't mind being a member of this club at all, but it's more like it is enough for me to remember the time when I was on the Eclectic team -- I still feel rather nostalgic about it. Being a member of the Eclectic Team was a significant commitment over some years, and when I did choose to retire, I did it with some sorrow and regrets. It's sad to move on from things that one has put a lot of time into, I find, and then just not to be part of it anymore. Between taking care of work (as a copy-editor/ kind of researcher I could work from home) and two young children since my wife didn't take maternity leave, those were very busy days. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 01:24
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OP update: The thread title is changed to Eclectic Prog Friends' Illusory Club, and the present OP is edited to: "To become member of this very special club, please tell which Eclectic Prog albums you're fond of." ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 01:52
thanks, by the way ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 02:28
So far, I've found Children of God to be most accessible, but I must say that I don't think of Swans music as Progressive Rock, the way I've defined it, which is: "1. be a synthesis/fusion of Rock (significantly present) and at least one of other "main genres": Classical, Jazz, Folk, electronic avant-garde or other avant-garde, AND 2. be rather complex or at least to some extent experimental in another way than #1. ”electronic avant-garde” is here primarily Musique Concrete and Minimalism while ”other avant-garde” include Free and Avant-Jazz and Contemporary Classical." ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 02:35
Just when I was proud to be a member of the Eclectic Prog Friends' Club, I now realise the club may be Just an Illusion, or is that just my Imagination, running away with me? |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 03:21
I'm happy to hear about you being proud, Paul. The "Illusory Club" is how I think of the present state of it (and to make the title maybe even more interesting/intriguing), but it continues and depending on how it goes, the illusion may proved to be illusory, and then the name of the club can just be changed again, right? - maybe even to "not so Exclusive Club". ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 03:32
and thanks for this telling about your appreciation ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 03:39
Yes, it's not such an "Exclusive Club" after all, if it includes me as a member.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 06:09
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 06:19
Meanwhile, I've changed the name again to "Imaginative Club", as I guess it sounds more positive than "Illusory". ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 07:19
thanks for the suggestion
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 10:41
Sorry for any and all-mistakes. I quickly typed this out and haven't the chance to read through and edit now, but I wanted to get in my response before heading out the door. So not as thought through a response as I would have liked, but decent and quite comprehensive posts can take considerable time for me to write. That's fine although I do think when asking if a band is Prog, one should try to consider a large portion of the discography deemed most relevant. Ask ten people at PA what is Prog to them, and you might get 30 definitions. It's a nebulous, amorphous concept to me and it can mean many things. I too commonly consider Prog to be a fusion of genres -- commonly classical, jazz, and folk mixed with rock but it can incorporate any genre, some of my favourites would be world music, and it often has some basis in psychedelic music, and has an overlap with art rock. Prog can mean experimental rock to me. An important aspect of being progressive in this sense has involved breaking away from the established conventions of rock (or commercial rock) to some extent (so it is quite unconventional) as I see it. Often it is what I would call non-canonic or not generic rock. Sometimes the music has gone beyond rock. Progressive rock need not adhere to the common expectations of rock music. It is about progressing away from the rock lexicon (canonical rock), taking in varied influences, playing with form etc. It is often playful with often long compositions etc. So I see Prog as non-generic in a sense, and I think by limiting it to strict definitions that to me works against what I see as the spirit of progressive rock. Progressive rock might be seen as rock without borders, without barriers. It may be music that is constantly progressing farther and farther away from what rock has been and could be. That said, there have been borders for me even if those borders are fuzzy. While I tend to avoid the Prog label except for site work (when it comes to the site I try to consider all of our subgenre definitions and what I know has been included) and because of forum discussion, but a part of me dislikes even the term progressive rock, I would sooner describe Swans as experimental rock than progressive rock. I have become less keen on trying to label things, and Prog can mean so many things, The reason why Eclectic Prog works better as a descriptor than Post-Rock for Swans to me is because I don't find that Post-Rock dominates the music enough across the discography -- I guess it was though to be significant enough in the albums thought most PA worthy, which might have been Soundtracks of the Blind up -- I think it was added more the revival period albums, The Seer and to be Kind in maybe early 2015 or late 2014. I get why it was added to Post Rock for those atmospheric qualities, the ambience and crescendos. I suggested a band not long with Swans-like qualities to Post Rock, which was accepted and added. I think of it as more experimental rock with art rock qualities first (those two overlap anyway), which has a Prog Folk relation (think Neofolk, Dark Folk and Avant Folk), Krautrock, and Post-Rock qualities (with a Psych relation). I also would say that the band could be seen as progressive rock because it has progressed or changed style enough from album to album and even song to song. The No Wave Noise Rock of the debut is quite different from the Experimental Post Punk, Neo Folk, Gothic and Industrial Children of God, which is quite different from the more commercial Neofolk with country following album, which is different from the Experimental Post-Rock Soundtracks for the Blind (which many consider to be Swans masterpiece), which is different again from the more folky leaving meaning. Which is not say that it has been hugely diverse. It as at least prog related to me and I am a big tenter. A lot of my favourite music I don't consider to be properly Prog genre, but has a Prog relation. And I'd rather listen to the likes of Portishead, Stereolab, Air, Broadcast and Pram than Dream Theater, Marillion, Spock's Beard etc. etc. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 12:39
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Could this be the theme song for the imaginative club? |