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Topic: Violin missing from modern prog?Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Subject: Violin missing from modern prog?
Date Posted: March 22 2022 at 14:48
In the 70's, bands such as Kansas, Dixie Dregs, Jean-Luc Ponty, and Mahavishnu Orchestra prominently featured violin in their music. Are there any modern bands (last twenty years) that feature the violin?
Replies: Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: March 22 2022 at 15:02
Quite a few, I think, and in surprising genres, too. A lot of prog metal bands often have prominent violin.
One band I reviewed last year even included violin as much for political reasons as musical, I suspect - but it worked beautifully.
I wrote:
One of the tags for this debut album from Massen is “violin of protest”. Anyone who has followed the Belarusian protests can’t fail to be moved by this. There are many symbols that have been adopted during the protests, from wearing white (for peace, and also for the white red white flag), to flowers (again, often white and red), to music. Simply Google ‘violin protest Belarus’ and you will find a multitude of stories, images and videos. If the band is going to give themselves this tag, then I am going to mention the need for protest. But now, onto the music…
As you will no doubt have guessed,ContrAesthetic features violin, and it’s beautifully played by Karalina Nasko (Kara), who is surely one of the greatest additions to the band – who were formerly known as Massenhinrichtung (initially as a solo project from multi-instrumentalist Aliaksandr Yermak) but have reinvented themselves, in music as much as in name. No longer straightforward pagan folk black metal, the music of Massen is more expansive and experimental, and this has resulted in an addictively engaging aural experience. The beauty is supplied by Kara’s violin and the clean vocals of Elvira Stselmashuk.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: March 22 2022 at 15:04
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: March 22 2022 at 15:07
I think prog bands just don't want to fiddle with it.
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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: March 22 2022 at 15:22
A lot of post rock and math rock bands use violin. Just looking back at those I’ve reviewed in the last two years, a large proportion of them have violin.
RIO/Avant bands also often use violin, and again just looking at those I’ve reviewed in the last couple of years, a large portion have violin.
And, as I already stated, prog metal bands often use violin.
So it’s always a possibility if you feel you’ve not heard it much in recent prog, that’s because of the genres of prog you listen to? 🤷🏻♂️
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: March 22 2022 at 15:52
The Swedish band Zello from the 90s. Ok, maybe not really modern these days but post seventies at least.
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 22 2022 at 15:53
The Dark Elf wrote:
I think prog bands just don't want to fiddle with it.
As said, a lot of RIO/Avant and Post-Rock bands use it. I would explore "chamber prog".
Aranis is one of my favourites:
North Sea Radio Orchestra is a favourite of mine that uses violin.
Not your traditional Prog there.
I prefer "chamber prog rock" to "symphonic prog rock" generally.
Posted By: xhouse
Date Posted: March 22 2022 at 16:38
Big Big Train.
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: March 22 2022 at 17:32
What do you consider modern? Sleepytime Gorilla Museum had some excellent violin parts.
My Dying Bride if you consider that prog. It's here on PA.
Ne Obliviscaris
Thank You Scientist
Bent Knee
Unexpect
Indukti
Godspeed You! Black Emperor
Cydemind
Diablo Swing Orchestra
The Dear Hunter
Gazpacho
ptf
That's all i can think of at the moment
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: March 22 2022 at 17:41
Forgas Band Phenomena Present Everything with Carla Kihlstedt Asturias Volapuk Pikapika Teart
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: March 22 2022 at 17:56
siLLy puPPy wrote:
What do you consider modern?
Bands with debut release after 2000. By prominent violin, I mean it's on most songs, not just parts or an occasional solo. Kansas and Ponty's music are the best examples of what I'm looking for.
Thanks everyone for the suggestions.
Posted By: malsader
Date Posted: March 23 2022 at 01:22
Big Big Train!
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 23 2022 at 07:57
What you need - baby I’ve got it! In Love With coming up with one of the most fiery performances I’ve seen in a while. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sk6r1NVhXeY
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- Douglas Adams
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: March 23 2022 at 08:42
^Well the violinist is animated. Musically not for me, but thanks for posting.
Posted By: wiz_d_kidd
Date Posted: March 23 2022 at 09:47
Vespero
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: March 23 2022 at 10:10
This came up not that long ago. I honestly think it's more prevalent now than it was back then.
Bondage Fruit Fantasmogoria Pochakaite Malko Salle Gauveau Armonite Deluge Grander Edensong Emmett Elvin Estradasphere Far Corner Ghost Rhythms Infinien Jack O the Clock Lady With Phlox Pitom Promenade Rational Diet
Posted By: Duddick
Date Posted: March 23 2022 at 10:10
Both these are excellent - thank you!
Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: March 23 2022 at 10:13
Tapfret wrote:
I honestly think it's more prevalent now than it was back then.
That is my feeling too. Or, at least, I know of far more recent and contemporary bands/artists that use violin, than I do from the classic era…
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Posted By: Zeph
Date Posted: March 23 2022 at 11:16
I was randomly humming on songs by http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=11668" rel="nofollow - Meer today, and realized it was a violin line.
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: March 23 2022 at 11:44
Thanks again. I've listened to some recommendations, like the North Sea Radio Orchestra. The others aren't my cup o' tea, so far. I will keep listening.
I'm familiar with Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, Thank You Scientist, BBT, and Bent Knee, and while they have a violinist, it's not a prominent instrument. So they are disqualified.
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: March 23 2022 at 12:42
Les Fragments De La Nuit... maybe even more violin (a string octet really) then you want. By they got some percussion/a percussive approach - which is probably the reason they're at PA at all
Posted By: Qrofous
Date Posted: March 23 2022 at 13:00
Ukrainian instrumental progressive rock band Silent Grace uses viola
Shepherds of Cassini are a New Zealand's experimental metal band that uses violin:
Minnesota's instrumental progressive rock band The Galactic Cowboy Orchestra, live at Raga Piloo, 2012:
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: March 23 2022 at 14:21
^Welcome to PA Qrofous. All clips you posted were great.
Les Fragments De La Nuit is awesome but not prog for me. Thanks.
Slowly browsing all suggested bands. Some great ones.
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: March 23 2022 at 14:33
Grumpyprogfan wrote:
Les Fragments De La Nuit is awesome but not prog. Thanks.
Well, they are listed here (in RIO-Avant) for a reason - this live concert doesn't display everything that they are about. Sure, they're not prog like Yes or Genesis and probably of little interest if that's the "only" prog you crave. But then again you could say that about most bands represented in the Archives. Glad you liked them though. They're great.
Posted By: Kokil
Date Posted: March 24 2022 at 01:16
Saperlipopette! wrote:
Grumpyprogfan wrote:
Les Fragments De La Nuit is awesome but not prog. Thanks.
Well, they are listed here (in RIO-Avant) for a reason - this live concert doesn't display everything that they are about. Sure, they're not prog like Yes or Genesis and probably of little interest if that's the "only" prog you crave. But then again you could say that about most bands represented in the Archives. Glad you liked them though. They're great.
Grumpyprogfan has right. Les Fragments de la Nuit are very nice but
not "prog" at all, let's forget Yes and Genesis. Les Fragments de la
Nuit is quite a minimalist neoclassical repetitive sextet in the vein
of Arvo Pärt.
However, if you for a change might want to hear an avant-garde
approach to progressive rock that features a violin, I suggest you to check out Brooklyn's band
Starring, also in PA [this is actually a viola, but as I presume that it
would does matter regarding Les Fragments de la Nuit, it doesn't really
matter in this case, lol] :
Posted By: foregonillusions
Date Posted: March 24 2022 at 01:30
Prog-wise, Stella Lee Jones' http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=53274" rel="nofollow - last album is nice.
That
aside--hoping this isn't too brazen--I'm going to veer of track a
little as this next recommendation is neither prog nor one that features
a violin (but a relative of sorts): Murder by Death's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82wntS2R944" rel="nofollow - Who Will Survive, and What Will Be Left of Them .
Because while it isn't prog, it's nonetheless an interesting conceptual
rock album, and while it doesn't have a violin, it does have cello.
Posted By: foregonillusions
Date Posted: March 24 2022 at 01:30
Zeph wrote:
I was randomly humming on songs by http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=11668" rel="nofollow - Meer today, and realized it was a violin line.
Spooky! I was just listening to them.
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: March 24 2022 at 02:02
Kokil wrote:
Saperlipopette! wrote:
Grumpyprogfan wrote:
Les Fragments De La Nuit is awesome but not prog. Thanks.
Well, they are listed here (in RIO-Avant) for a reason - this live concert doesn't display everything that they are about. Sure, they're not prog like Yes or Genesis and probably of little interest if that's the "only" prog you crave. But then again you could say that about most bands represented in the Archives. Glad you liked them though. They're great.
Grumpyprogfan has right. Les Fragments de la Nuit are very nice but
not "prog" at all, let's forget Yes and Genesis. Les Fragments de la
Nuit is quite a minimalist neoclassical repetitive sextet in the vein
of Arvo Pärt.
However, if you for a change might want to hear an avant-garde
approach to progressive rock that features a violin, I suggest you to check out Brooklyn's band
Starring, also in PA [this is actually a viola, but as I presume that it
would does matter regarding Les Fragments de la Nuit, it doesn't really
matter in this case, lol] :
What do you mean change your mind - about what? I know what they sound like and where they are coming from. I've heard all of Les Fragments de la Nuit albums (have you?) - which is why I understand why they are included in the RIO/Avant section on Progarchives. It wasn't me who did it, so someone else decided they fit in here. On a studio album they sometimes sound like this, which is very much comparable to Aranis, Julverne and other chamber rock ensembles that has a natural place in the mentioned sub-genre there. Of course they are not "prog" as in the rock genre - I even wrote that myself. I've heard most of the Avant Garde-approach to progressive rock out there and never claimed LFdlN were avant-anything (its simply the section they are placed under in the PA-Index - by association I suppose). This was a "violin-related" reccomendation and I posted the clip because I like it and the fact that it's a concert-clip as opposed to the video underneath - not because I wanted to show how prog they are.
Posted By: Kokil
Date Posted: March 24 2022 at 02:50
Saperlipopette! wrote:
Kokil wrote:
Saperlipopette! wrote:
Grumpyprogfan wrote:
Les Fragments De La Nuit is awesome but not prog. Thanks.
Well,
they are listed here (in RIO-Avant) for a reason - this live concert
doesn't display everything that they are about. Sure, they're not prog
like Yes or Genesis and probably of little interest if that's the "only"
prog you crave. But then again you could say that about most bands
represented in the Archives. Glad you liked them though. They're great.
Grumpyprogfan has right. Les Fragments de la Nuit are very nice but
not "prog" at all, let's forget Yes and Genesis. Les Fragments de la
Nuit is quite a minimalist neoclassical repetitive sextet in the vein
of Arvo Pärt.
However, if you for a change might want to hear an avant-garde
approach to progressive rock that features a violin, I suggest you to check out Brooklyn's band
Starring, also in PA [this is actually a viola, but as I presume that it
would does matter regarding Les Fragments de la Nuit, it doesn't really
matter in this case, lol] :
What do you mean change your mind - about what? I know what they sound
like and where they are coming from. I've heard all of Les
Fragments de la Nuit albums (have you?) - which is why I understand why
they are included in the RIO/Avant section on Progarchives. It wasn't
me who did it, so someone else decided they fit in here. On a studio
album they sometimes sound like this, which is very much comparable to
Aranis, Julverne and other chamber rock ensembles that has a natural
place in the mentioned sub-genre there. Of course they are not "prog" as
in the rock genre - I even wrote that myself. I've heard most of the
Avant Garde-approach to progressive rock out there and never claimed
LFdlN were avant-anything (its simply the section they are placed under
in the PA-Index - by association I suppose). This was a "violin-related"
reccomendation and I posted the clip because I like it and the fact
that it's a concert-clip as opposed to the video underneath - not
because I wanted to show how prog they are.
Sorry but neoclassical sextet Les Fragments de la Nuit has nothing to do with the prog idiom,
let's forget the progressive rock as a genre. And this isn't a topic
about strange additions to PA, but Grumpyprogfan started the thread
where he is looking for prog with violin, and with the clearly mentioned
acts from the golden era like Kansas, Dixie Dregs, Jean-Luc Ponty, and
Mahavishnu Orchestra who should give us a guide what kind of music we
are supposed to post on this thread.
Want an avant-garde approach to prog feat. violin? Hey let me know what
you think about this tune by Calomito from Italy:
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: March 24 2022 at 03:12
Kokil wrote:
Sorry but neoclassical sextet Les Fragments de la Nuit has nothing to do with the prog idiom,
let's forget the progressive rock as a genre. And this isn't a topic
about strange additions to PA, but Grumpyprogfan started the thread
where he is looking for prog with violin, and with the clearly mentioned
acts from the golden era like Kansas, Dixie Dregs, Jean-Luc Ponty, and
Mahavishnu Orchestra who should give us a guide what kind of music we
are supposed to post on this thread.
Want an avant-garde approach to prog feat. violin? Hey let me know what
you think about this tune by Calomito from Italy:
Here's what he wrote
Grumpyprogfan wrote:
In the 70's, bands such as Kansas, Dixie Dregs,
Jean-Luc Ponty, and Mahavishnu Orchestra prominently featured violin in
their music. Are there any modern bands (last twenty years) that feature
the violin?
And Les Fragments de la Nuit are a modern band that fits nicely. They are a modern band included on PA that feature violin. The second clip I posted is not neoclassical (did you even listen to it before you posted this reply?), but typically the approach you'll find by plenty of bands in the RIO/Avant section. Whether you, Mr. Grumpy or anyone else think it's a strange addition, is not something I'm interested in discussing. If I posted 1970/1980's band Julverne (also in the RIO/Avant section), you'd probably oppose to them as well. I know why I think this music is part of the inclusive umbrella that PA with all its sub-genres represent. I'm not primarely looking for reccomendations from you, but both your examples sound interesting enough. The last one not so different from Des Restes Vivaces.
Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: March 24 2022 at 03:25
No doubt to some, a large proportion of what can be found in the RIO/Avant section of PA will not be seen as prog. That says more about how the person making that claim views prog than anything else. Personally, the style(s) of music that can be found in the RIO/Avant section of PA, and similar that can be found outside PA, tend to be my favourite, and that which I’m drawn back to most often.
As with any thread in the forum, there is a tendency to get bogged down in what one’s subjective view of what is prog (or not). For the sake of discussion, let’s just assume that (whether you believe it personally to be prog, or not) if something is listed in PA, for the purposes of this thread, it is prog.
So, if it’s in PA, and it has violin (or viola, it seems), then share away!
There’s plenty of violin in modern prog (and as I’ve said, I find there to be more in modern prog than from the classic era).
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Posted By: Mastronzo
Date Posted: March 24 2022 at 10:10
Cast "House by the Forest" (feat. Gnu Quartet)
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: March 24 2022 at 10:26
nick_h_nz wrote:
No doubt to some, a large proportion of what can be found in the RIO/Avant section of PA will not be seen as prog. That says more about how the person making that claim views prog than anything else. Personally, the style(s) of music that can be found in the RIO/Avant section of PA, and similar that can be found outside PA, tend to be my favourite, and that which I’m drawn back to most often.
As with any thread in the forum, there is a tendency to get bogged down in what one’s subjective view of what is prog (or not). For the sake of discussion, let’s just assume that (whether you believe it personally to be prog, or not) if something is listed in PA, for the purposes of this thread, it is prog.
So, if it’s in PA, and it has violin (or viola, it seems), then share away!
There’s plenty of violin in modern prog (and as I’ve said, I find there to be more in modern prog than from the classic era).
For those not as adventurous as us, symphonic prog seems to be the only kind of prog in their world. I agree with you.
There were no limitations presented in the opening comment therefore if it's on PA under a bonafide prog category, it's fair game.
Whether someone likes it or not is another matter but what's the harm in sharing. It's an interesting topic so thank you Grumps for posting this question.
I think comparing modern prog to the old school world will yield very few results. Most bands are not in the retro camp.
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Posted By: Mastronzo
Date Posted: March 24 2022 at 10:39
siLLy puPPy wrote:
For those not as adventurous as us, symphonic prog seems to be the only kind of prog in their world.
Some fans though, coming from post-punk and alternative rock, don’t understand the beauty of symphonic rock, and because of that they will always choose more avant-garde forms for “their prog”.
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: March 24 2022 at 11:10
For the record I don't consider fusion prog, yet I mentioned three fusion acts in my OP.
It matters not what subdivision of prog these suggestions are. Some I prefer more than others, but I am thankful for all posts. Lots of good music!
Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: March 24 2022 at 11:26
Maudlin of the Well - Part the Second
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Posted By: Mastronzo
Date Posted: March 24 2022 at 11:27
Grumpyprogfan wrote:
For the record I don't consider fusion prog, yet I mentioned three fusion acts in my OP.
Indeed, though for me the Mahavishnu Orchestra is more like instrumental progressive rock than jazz-fusion.
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Azigza's "Petra" features a nice violin as well as a guest appearance from Daevid Allen on guitar:
I don't know if Kevin Evans plays the viola in "Touch Moon Window", but nevermind, because the song is fantastic:
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: March 24 2022 at 11:54
Mastronzo wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
For those not as adventurous as us, symphonic prog seems to be the only kind of prog in their world.
Some fans though, coming from post-punk and alternative rock, don’t understand the beauty of symphonic rock, and because of that they will always choose more avant-garde forms for “their prog”.
True and nothing wrong with that. My point was that many seem limited in their musical appetites. I embrace it all from syrupy pop infused neo-prog to the most atonal dissonant time signature rich metal-in-opposition. It's all good!
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Posted By: Mastronzo
Date Posted: March 24 2022 at 12:13
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Mastronzo wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
For those not as adventurous as us, symphonic prog seems to be the only kind of prog in their world.
Some fans though, coming from post-punk and alternative rock, don’t understand the beauty of symphonic rock, and because of that they will always choose more avant-garde forms for “their prog”.
True and nothing wrong with that.
Certainly nothing wrong per se, but the problem arises when such people
start fantasizing that only their pseudo-avantgarde thrash is a "true
prog".
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: March 24 2022 at 12:45
Mastronzo wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Mastronzo wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
For those not as adventurous as us, symphonic prog seems to be the only kind of prog in their world.
Some fans though, coming from post-punk and alternative rock, don’t understand the beauty of symphonic rock, and because of that they will always choose more avant-garde forms for “their prog”.
True and nothing wrong with that.
Certainly nothing wrong per se, but the problem arises when such people
start fantasizing that only their pseudo-avantgarde thrash is a "true
prog".
There is no true prog so everybody needs to get off their high horse and come to the discomforting realization that prog is a nebulous term that refers to a wide spectrum of overlying attributes.
If one were to apply the true meaning of "progressive" then those avant-garde expressions are indeed "true prog."
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Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: March 24 2022 at 13:13
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
The Swedish band Zello from the 90s. Ok, maybe not really modern these days but post seventies at least.
think Zello violin player was Dave Ragsdale from Kansas (he played as a guest)
Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: March 24 2022 at 13:14
Japanese fusion KBB
Posted By: Mastronzo
Date Posted: March 24 2022 at 13:24
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Mastronzo wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Mastronzo wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
For those not as adventurous as us, symphonic prog seems to be the only kind of prog in their world.
Some fans though, coming from post-punk and alternative rock, don’t understand the beauty of symphonic rock, and because of that they will always choose more avant-garde forms for “their prog”.
True and nothing wrong with that.
Certainly nothing wrong per se, but the problem arises when such people
start fantasizing that only their pseudo-avantgarde thrash is a "true
prog".
If one were to apply the true meaning of "progressive" then those avant-garde expressions are indeed "true prog."
They aren't, because music itself does not progress;every musicologist will tell you that.Avant-rock is just a genre like any other genre, thus just because it draws some inspiration from avant-garde composers of the twentieth century, it's nothing more progressive than sympho-rock.
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Ünder Linden "Quarks", live in Montevideo, 2011
Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: March 24 2022 at 13:49
Bound Deun Ozone quartet both form USA
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: March 24 2022 at 14:07
Mastronzo wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Mastronzo wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Mastronzo wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
For those not as adventurous as us, symphonic prog seems to be the only kind of prog in their world.
Some fans though, coming from post-punk and alternative rock, don’t understand the beauty of symphonic rock, and because of that they will always choose more avant-garde forms for “their prog”.
True and nothing wrong with that.
Certainly nothing wrong per se, but the problem arises when such people
start fantasizing that only their pseudo-avantgarde thrash is a "true
prog".
If one were to apply the true meaning of "progressive" then those avant-garde expressions are indeed "true prog."
They aren't, because music itself does not progress;every musicologist will tell you that.Avant-rock is just a genre like any other genre, thus just because it draws some inspiration from avant-garde composers of the twentieth century, it's nothing more progressive than sympho-rock.
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Ünder Linden "Quarks", live in Montevideo, 2011
Such claims cannot really be generalized and artists must be taken on a case by case basis. So called "experts" are really just those who are brave enough to give their opinions.
Regardless, this is not the place to have this debate so let's keep the focus on the intended theme of violin in modern 21st century prog by the site's definition, not yours or mine
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Posted By: Mastronzo
Date Posted: March 24 2022 at 15:27
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Regardless, this is not the place to have this debate so let's keep the focus on the intended theme of violin in modern 21st century prog by the site's definition, not yours or mine
Of course. Let's bring museal silence back.
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Rovo 極星 ("Pole Star")
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: March 24 2022 at 19:46
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the very entertaining Anderson-Ponty Band yet!
Oh well, better late than never!
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: March 24 2022 at 20:30
mellotronwave wrote:
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
The Swedish band Zello from the 90s. Ok, maybe not really modern these days but post seventies at least.
think Zello violin player was Dave Ragsdale from Kansas (he played as a guest)
Nope. You should have checked their progarchives profile before responding because if you did you would see he did not play with them.
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: March 24 2022 at 21:51
Polish neo prog group BELIEVE has put out 5 albums featuring a Japanese violinist Satomi. . "Yesterday is a Friend" and "Seven Widows" seem to be the most highly regarded of their albums here
Posted By: foregonillusions
Date Posted: March 25 2022 at 00:38
And I can't believe I forgot Chris' Days of Summer Gone ! Quite an acoustic affair, however.
kenethlevine wrote:
Polish neo prog group BELIEVE has put out 5 albums featuring a Japanese violinist Satomi. . "Yesterday is a Friend" and "Seven Widows" seem to be the most highly regarded of their albums here
Their debut shouldn't be overlooked, too. Something about the grunge aesthetic works. However, it doesn't feature as much violin as the aforementioned albums. Oh, and "Poor King of Sun / Return" (from World is Round) has a riveting violin solo near the end. Believe knows how to pull the heartstrings.
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: March 25 2022 at 00:50
foregonillusions wrote:
And I can't believe I forgot Chris' Days of Summer Gone ! Quite an acoustic affair, however.
kenethlevine wrote:
Polish neo prog group BELIEVE has put out 5 albums featuring a Japanese violinist Satomi. . "Yesterday is a Friend" and "Seven Widows" seem to be the most highly regarded of their albums here
Their debut shouldn't be overlooked, too. Something about the grunge aesthetic works. However, it doesn't feature as much violin as the aforementioned albums. Oh, and "Poor King of Sun / Return" (from World is Round) has a riveting violin solo near the end. Believe knows how to pull the heartstrings.
I like the first album too, agreed. The only one I think is kinda weak is "Warmest Sun in Winter".
Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: March 25 2022 at 01:38
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Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: March 25 2022 at 02:17
@nick, I interpreted what AFlowerKingCrimson wrote to say that Dave Ragsdale never played with Zello. But then I thought mellotronwave was saying that Ragsdale was a guest player for Zello. Archives show that Zello's violinist is Lennart Glenberg-Eriksson. No mention of Ragsdale as a guest that I saw.
Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: March 25 2022 at 03:27
mathman0806 wrote:
@nick, I interpreted what AFlowerKingCrimson wrote to say that Dave Ragsdale never played with Zello. But then I thought mellotronwave was saying that Ragsdale was a guest player for Zello. Archives show that Zello's violinist is Lennart Glenberg-Eriksson. No mention of Ragsdale as a guest that I saw.
Fair enough. I shall remove my post. Thanks for the clarification. It is appreciated.
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: March 25 2022 at 03:43
Mastronzo wrote:
They aren't, because music itself does not progress;every musicologist will tell you that.Avant-rock is just a genre like any other genre, thus just because it draws some inspiration from avant-garde composers of the twentieth century, it's nothing more progressive than sympho-rock.
Any stupid musicologist would fail to understand that progressive is a useful and meaningful term when trying to explain why King Crimson is another form of rock than Status Quo. Progressive means more than one thing - and all its possible meanings fits the former band while none fits the latter. But I agree that there's nothing more progressive about being in a so called avant-rock band than in a sympho-rock band. Avant-garde has become tradition and it makes little sense thinking that playing complex rock with a string section inspired by Bartok places you in the forefront of anything. It's mainly just a preference. Both for listener and performer.
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: March 25 2022 at 06:37
Agree, a lot of avant here is retro, and can still be very enjoyable, it's just a genre label here
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 25 2022 at 06:41
Hi,
My thoughts differ just a bit. A lot of folks around me, took up a guitar, bass or drums, because they heard a song, and their older friend did. They kinda learn from the "roots" and not quite knowing music until a bit later.
Violin instruction, by anyone that I have ever met, is different, and the stuff that you learn at first is not Chuck Berry ... and I think that kids are given a little more music instruction. Forward this 5 to 6 years, and you have an youngster a bit more musically educated than most 18 years olds in a rock band, many of whom don't know how to read music at all!
I remember Charlie Daniels commenting on his playing the violin. A friend of mine asked Charlie Daniels about his violin. He said that it was easy playing with folks that did not even know what music was when he got started! And he could play circles around them, and did for a long time! In general, if this is true, most "rock bands" when you are a kid, don't want the "geeks" that are in the orchestra playing violins, flutes, bassoons and whatever else, otherwise the rock music in many local places would be a lot wilder than just bass, guitar, drums and a cheap keyboard! In a manner of speaking they only know a few songs, not music in general.
KC is not a good example in some ways, because what they did right from the start was "classically minded" in that it was well rehearsed, and the band was prepared. Most rock bands are not even halfway to that point and it shows more often than not, and is the reason why their DAW's are needed so badly! Adding a violin, or something else, must not have been a problem for Mr. Fripp because he was way more musically attuned than the folks around him, that helped him "conduct" things, while also taking advantage of what a violin, and later other things helped the music come alive.
But the worst, comes when the "big" bands don't take their work further. DT can play with an orchestra, but would they add a violin? Cold day in hell, based on how they put things together. Metallica is another example ... a violin? What for? It's not about "music". It's about the loudness and the noise and "exciting" the fans!
Having been touched by a few violin players over the years, from Gong (adding another instrument ... oh yeah go for it Daevid would say!), Dave Swarbrick (let me add this jig ... right ... here!), Jamie Muir (I wanna sound like that peddler on the street asking for a dollar!), JLP (I know so much music and make the band better, but what I play is not as important as the band!), Darryl Way (I can't play without knowing what you are all doing ... except in Vivaldi with Cannons!), PFM (Violinos? What are those. We forgot them at home!), AD2 (If Kris refuses to duel John on his violin, it means the band are having a fight, otherwise you get transported to another galaxy!), Shankar when asked by Springsteen what chord he was playing on his double violin (you no worry about that. You just play and I join in to make it better!), Papa John Creech (these boys and girls don't know music, but they can play. I just add a few notes to make it better!) ....
"Progressive" or whatever crap they name it all, has a problem because the instruments that "made" progressive music are more important and never were played by anyone else, see? The blue guitar is more important than the music. The flying Dutchman ... wait a minute ... organ ... is just a funny show and surrealistic moment for fun of the audience that says absolutely nothing about the music ... the crazy improvisational moments that SH did, count, but those that Michael Karoli and many others in Europe ... go to hell ... that ain't progressive, that is some poor music, because we're English and know music and the rest of you fudgers get lost ... we wrote history, and they didn't because we sold more in a capitalistic society, instead of something else!
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: March 25 2022 at 09:18
Antoine Fafard's 2020 release "Chemical Reactions" with Gavin Harrison features violin. For Gavin fans who have not heard this, the drumming is the best I've heard by him. Anyway, I like it but most songs sound samey and it's a tedious listen for me.
Posted By: Boojieboy
Date Posted: March 25 2022 at 15:14
Curved Air's recent albums have continued the violin presence.
Pavlov's Dog has also.
Same for the first album by The Raven and the Writing Desk ("The Recidivist").
Now, just because they have someone playing the instrument, doesn't mean it's at the level of playing and proficiency of the 70's. That's the biggest difference I see and hear.
Saxophone and flute have also lessened over the decades.
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 25 2022 at 16:19
Neither this nor my other mentions were intended particularly as recommendations for Will (the OP), but I have wanted to mention Kayo Dot with Mia Matsumiya (who does violin and viola).
Posted By: foregonillusions
Date Posted: March 25 2022 at 21:18
Another band that popped into my mind is http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=10176" rel="nofollow - Cydemind .
kenethlevine wrote:
I like the first album too, agreed. The only one I think is kinda weak is "Warmest Sun in Winter".
Gotta like "Please Go Home," however, as it's quite a powerful piece (that features violin).
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: March 26 2022 at 00:01
foregonillusions wrote:
Another band that popped into my mind is http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=10176" rel="nofollow - Cydemind .
kenethlevine wrote:
I like the first album too, agreed. The only one I think is kinda weak is "Warmest Sun in Winter".
Gotta like "Please Go Home," however, as it's quite a powerful piece (that features violin).
I was gonna say that it's one of their best tracks, and certainly the best on that album. I saw them live, playing a lot of tracks from that album, and "Please Go Home" was the only one that really grabbed me. When I got the disk it was still the only one
Posted By: PhideauxFan
Date Posted: March 26 2022 at 00:51
Discipline (with Matthew Parmenter) and Indukti - SUSAR.
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Date Posted: March 26 2022 at 02:50
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Posted By: rik wilson
Date Posted: March 26 2022 at 17:29
For violin, I'd say KBB is excellent. Isildurs Bane is another good one. Even the new release by a band I'm in; Smoregaschord -'' Sum Kees '' (not out yet). It's all violin and keyboard.
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: March 26 2022 at 20:48
Not offering much here but that GRAND GENERAL album is amazing and the violin adds a lot to that feeling.
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"Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: March 26 2022 at 20:49
PhideauxFan wrote:
Discipline (with Matthew Parmenter) and Indukti - SUSAR.
Oh I forgot about INDUKTI! Maybe my favourite music with violin. She's incredible!
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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: March 27 2022 at 02:51
^ INDUKTI is probably my favourite music with violin, too.
Unlike many, though, I prefer IDMEN to S.U.S.A.R. - but both are superb!
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: March 27 2022 at 07:49
nick_h_nz wrote:
^ INDUKTI is probably my favourite music with violin, too.
Unlike many, though, I prefer IDMEN to S.U.S.A.R. - but both are superb!
Idmen is my favourite of the two as well but it's close.
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"Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: March 27 2022 at 08:54
I know this falls outside the scope of the OP being music > 40 years old but it's more of a 'heads up' to most of you who've likely never had the chance to hear it. Rather obscure but worth every moment tracking down are Scottish avant leaning Chou Pahrot whose sole full length album from '79 is a 5 star pant filler recorded live (though some dispute this) featuring some spine tingling violin from the unforgettably named 'Eggy Beard' who started life as Martin McKenna:
Think of Crimson and the Magic Band playing unrecognisable Bartok & Stravinsky covers at the Scottish wedding of Ivor Cutler and Wild Man Fischer and you're in the ballpark thereabouts....
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: April 01 2022 at 04:33
Buried deep in PA is a list of violinists I gathered together and then updated over several years. Originally it was produced to prove a point there far more violinists than suggested by some here in the '00s. I gave up on September 2010. That is until now, adding ten more entries this morning. Clearly more to go, so please help adding names via this thread, so I can further update the master list. Here is that list:
Rock, folk, jazz violinist
data base
NOTES:
Musicians listed alphabetically, surname.
This version updated at 17.15 BST 12th September 2010, with thanks
to everybody, who have contributed and continue to contribute.
Lautaro Acosta: Arti & Mestieri’s First Live In Japan
Sanna
Ågren: guest on Time Traveller’s Chapters 1 & 2
Ed Alleyne Johnson: solo, New Model Army (e.g. Thunder &
Consolation)
Laurie Anderson: solo, (e.g. Big Science)
Darol Anger: solo, Turtle Island String Quartet (e.g. Sky Life)
Dave Arbus: e.g. East Of Eden, guest on Who's Next
Svend Asmussen, (aka ‘The Fiddling Viking’): (jazz violinist) guested with Hubert Laws, Duke Ellington,
Benny Goodman, etc.
Richard Aubert: Atoll's L'araignée-mal
Emilie Autumn: solo, Courtney Love, Billy Corgan
Bill Ayasse: Frogg Cafe (e.g. Creatures)
N Azzam: Vas Multi nation (USA) + sessions
Billy Bang:
Eggy Beard: Chou Pahrot (UK)
Georgina Biddle (aka George Biddle): Skyclad
Andrew Bird: with Bowl Of Fire (e.g. The Mysterious Production of
Eggs)
Charly Bisharat: Sahadowfax, seesions with Oman Akram, Jon
Anderson
Iva Bittova: (avant violinist), e.g.
Moravian Gems
Nick Blaser: guest on Pythagoras' After The Silence
Jan Błędowski: Krzak (Poland)
L Blendberg: Zello (Sweden)
U Blitz: Doctor of Madness (UK)
Greg Bloch: It's a Beautiful Day, Flock, PFM (e.g. Jet
Lag).
Luca Boggi: The Slowmovies (e.g. An Unconventional Italian Guide
To King Crimson)
Anchise Bolchi: Greenwall (e.g. An Unconventional Italian Guide To
King Crimson)
Alessandro Bonetti: Deus Ex Machina
Andreas Brandt: Ålgarnas Trædgård (e.g. Delayed)
Karen Briggs: solo, Vertu
Jean_Philippe Brun: Halloween
Zack Brock: e.g. Coffee Achievers,
guest Mahavishnu Project (e.g. Return To The Emerald
Beyond)
Hollis Brown: Ozone Quartet (e.g. Fresh Blood)
John Brown: Hemlock
Jean-Philippe Brun: Halloween
Paul Bunker: Hands
Regina Carter: (jazz violinist),
Freefall, a duet cd with jazz pianist Kenny Barron.
Siegfried Carver: Pavlov's Dog
Antonio Cerentola Akutala (Italy) Shika
Duncan Chisholm: Wolfstone, guested with Runrig
Rod Clements: Lindisfarne
Vassar Clements: Jazz Is Dead (e.g. Laughing Water),
Dickey Betts, session work
P Cockett: Mainhorse (UK)
Richard Coff: Third Ear Band
Ben Coleman: No-Man, Trashmonk, guested with Porcupine Tree, Alice,
Steve Jansen/Yukihiro Takahashi Pulse'
Allison Cornell: Gabrielle Roth,guest on Joe Jackson's 25th
Anniversary Special DVD
Sharon Corr: Corrs
Jacinto M. Corral: Hyacintus (Argentina)
Papa John Crech: solo, Hot Tuna, Jefferson Starship (e.g. Red
Octopus)
Claudio Criello: guest on debut eponymous Abiogenesi album
David Cross: solo (e.g. Closer Than Skin),
King Crimson,
Billy Currie: Ultravox (UK)
Julian Cusack: Spirogyra
Charlie Daniels
Linde de Groof: Aranis
Ryan Delahoussaye: Blue October
Joe Deninzon: Stratospheerius (e.g. The Next World (2012)),
Live Wires
Yvette Devereux: K2 (e.g. Book Of The Dead)
Andri Didorenko: Lost World (e.g. Awakening Of The Elements)
Allan Dodge: e.g. with https://www.discogs.com/artist/651720-Robert-Crumb-And-His-Cheap-Suit-Serenaders" rel="nofollow -
Rod Dorothy: New Celeste
Brian
Eliason: Fiction (e.g. Loose Translation)
Warren Ellis: e.g. Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds, Grinderman, The Dirty
Three, Blackeyed Susans
Marc Elton: Solstice
Michael Evans: Stackridge (e.g. Stackridge), guest on
Stray's Saturday Morning Pictures
Lucio Fabbri: PFM
Ian 'Walter' Fairbairn: Guy Manning albums
Mark Feldman: solo, John Abercrombie Group, Tunnels (e.g. Progressivity)
S Folklar: M Morton, Spriguns (UK)
Katherine Fong: e.g. Mahavishnu Project (e.g. Return To The
Emerald Beyond)
A Franfurter: Azigza (USA)
Faith Fraoli: Flying Island
Fred Frith: solo, Henry Cow (e.g. Legend/Leg End)
Michael Gallasso: solo (e.g. Scenes)
Ganesh: Indo-fusion (India)
Jeff Gauthier: (founder of Cryptogramophone Records),
leader of Jeff Gauthier's Goatette e.g. One & The Same, House Of
Return
Ronnie Gerrard: New Celeste
Ninfa Giannuzzi: Aria Palea (e.g. An Unconventional Italian Guide
To King Crimson)
Wilf Gibson: ELO
Claudio Gilice: Quella Vecchia Locanda
Lennart Glenberg: Zello
Jerry Goodman: solo, Flock, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Dregs, Force Majeure,
guest with Derek Sherinian, etc
Stuart Gordon: Peter Hammill
Stephane Grapelli: solo (jazz great), Hot Club De Paris, e.g. guest on
Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here
Richard Greene: Sea Train.
Branislav Grbic: Amarok's Sol De Medianoche
Joachim Gustafsson: Isildurs Bane (e.g. Mind Volume 4: Pass)
Rick Grech: Family, KGB, Blind Faith
Petra Haden:
K Hakenson: Kebnekaise (Sweden)
Lovisa Hallstedt: guest on Ritual's A Dangerous
Journey (ex. The Hemulic Voluntary Band).
Patrick Hanappier: Univers Zero
Don ‘Sugarcane’ Harris: solo, John Mayall, Frank Zappa
Lotta Hasselquist: guest on Ritual's eponymous first album
Lillee (Lily) Haydn: Lili, Light Blue Sun, Place Between Places,
Automaton (USA) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lili_Haydn" rel="nofollow - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lili_Haydn
Yasuda Hemmi: Steamboat (Switzerland)
Greg Hiser: Boud Deun (e.g. Astronomy Made Easy)
E Hoffmann: Embryo (Germany)
Allan Holdsworth: solo, Tempest, Gordon Beck (e.g. Sunbird)
Susie Honeyman: Echo City
Gerard Hourbette: Art Zoyd
Simon House: solo ,High Tide, Hawkwind
Sylvia Houtzager: Flairck
Cath Howell: Skyclad
Christian Howes:jazz http://www.christianhowes.com/" rel="nofollow - http://www.christianhowes.com/
Anna Hytte: plays the Norwegian hardanger violin, e.g. sl*g.’s
Linde
Ewa Jablonska: Indukti (e.g. S.U.S.A.R. (2004))
Katie Jacoby: Project Object
Fritha Jenkins: Skyclad
Leroy Jenkins:avant-garde, free-jazz.
Eddie Jobson: solo (e.g The Green Album), Curved Air,
Zappa Band, UK, UKZ, Roxy Music, (on King Crimson's USA)
Michal Jelonek: Anhk (e.g. Expected Unexpected)
Jiří Kabeš: The Plastic People of the Universe
Helena Kallander: guest with Anekdoten (e.g. Nucleus)
Mik Kaminski: Violinski, ELO
Eyvind Kang: Saiko Shimada Project, etc.
D Katz: sessions, including Roger Daltrey (UK)
Iosif Kappl: e.g. guests on Phoenix's Cei Ce Ne-Au Dat Nume
Micael Karoli: Can
Takashi Kawaguchi: Outer Limits
Chris Karrer: Amon Duul II (e.g. Wolf City)
Ilana Katz
Katz: blues rock solist, e.g. In My Mind (2021)
Y Katsui: Bondage Fruit + (Japan)
Kimoto Kazuyoshi: Ground Zero (Japan)
Nigel Kennedy: solo (classically trained), Kate Bush, Kennedy Experience
(eg. Stone Free - A Tribute to Jimi Hendrix)
Karl Kessler: guest on 4Front’s https://ibis56.blogspot.com/2010/08/4front-radio-waves-goodbye-2002.html" rel="nofollow -
Radio Waves
Goodbye – also viola
Carla Kihlstedt: Sleepy Time Gorilla Museum
Steve Kindler: Mahavishnu, Jan Hammer Group (e.g. Oh Yeah?,
Melodies)
Misa Kitatsuji: Asturias's Bird Eyes View
Tom Kitching: BBC Radio 2 Young Folk Musician runner up in 2003, with
Gren Bartley (e.g. Rushes), http://www.tomkitching.co.uk/pages/indexnews.htm" rel="nofollow - http://www.tomkitching.co.uk/pages/indexnews.htm
Peter Knight: Steeleye Span, also plays free jazz (!) e.g.
Trevor Watts/Peter Knight's Reunion Live In London
Ashot Korganyan: Oakensham (Armenia)
Christoph Krieger: Aera (e.g. Hand und Fuß),
Neue Aera
Elektra Kurtis:
David LaFlamme: Its A Beautiful Day
Martin Lamb: Fairport Convention. (<ST1:COUNTRY-REGIoN
w:st="on">UK</ST1:COUNTRY-REGIoN>)
Rod Lambert: Glass Hammer (e.g. Journey Of the
Dunadan)
Liesbeth Lambrecht: Aranis
Jack Lancaster: Blodwyn Pig (<ST1:COUNTRY-REGIoN
w:st="on">UK</ST1:COUNTRY-REGIoN>)
G Lavrentiev: Alex Kostarev Band (Russia)
Donald Lax: Quella Vecchia Locanda
Jim Lea: Slade (e.g. Coz I Luv You (single)
S Liebig: jazz violin (USA)
David Lindley: solo, Terry Reid, Jackson Browne (e.g. Running
On Empty)
Caryn Lin: solo (e.g. Tolerance For Ambiguity)
T Ling Spriguns (UK)
Didier Lockwood: solo, (e.g. Phoenix 90), Gong, Magma, Clearlight
Henry Lowther: John Mayall's Bluesbreakers (e.g. Bare Wires),
Keef Hartley Band, numerous session work
Ivanu Luna: string section on the album by William Gray's Living Fossils
Madfiddler: played with bands such as Tricks Upon Travellers, K-Passa,
the Divine Comedy, Pepe Deluxe, Bjorn Lynne, Bluehorses, The Fox Hat,
Moondance, Jill Fielding Band, Danko, Massive Attack, Laura Kenny, 4-4-2,
C64Audio.com, ID80s, Silver Dogs
Vanessa Mae: solo (classically trained)
Chad Manning: Americana, blue grass violinist,
David Grisman Quintet
Mia Matsumiya: Kayo Dot, Maudlin Of The Well (guest on Part
The Second), Tartar Lamb.
John Mayer: Indo jazz (UK)
Charlie McKerron: Capercaillie
Mark Menikos: Aura (USA)
Lucia Micarelli; guest with Jethro Tull, (e.g. Music
from a Farther Room)
H Michael: Smash (Spain)
Ben Mink: guest on Rush's Losing it, FM's
Headroom: Direct to Disc, Headroom, Surveillance, City Of Fear Junko Minobe: eponymous debut album by Cinderella Search Misao: Cosmos Factory (e.g. An Old Castle Of Transylvania
Laura Moors: guest on Season's End (e.g. The Failing Light)
Chris Murphy: solo
T Nakanishi: Cinema (Japan) Nash The Slash: solo, FM
Rick Nelson: (also viola, cello) The Mandrake Project http://www.mandrakeproject.com/guestbook/guestbook.php?page=12" rel="nofollow - http://www.mandrakeproject.com/guestbook/guestbook.php?page=12
Sarah Neufeld: The Arcade Fire
Kita Noakil: Salle Gaveau
Vittorio Nocenzi:
Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso’sGarofano
Rosso (1976)
Maarja Nuut: Phlox (e.g. Talu)
Tetsuya
Ochiai: Pryme Tyme (Jp)
Charles O'Connor: Horslips
Mark O'Connor: guesting with Dregs, (e.g. Industry Standard),
Steve Morse Band (e.g. Pick Your Position)
Helen O'Hara: Dexy's Midnight Runners.
Mauro Pagani: PFM
S Page: e.g. Dan Hick and others (USA)
Owen Pallett: The Arcade Fire (e.g. He Poos Clouds),
Has A Good Home (e.g. Final Fantasy)
P Papalardi: guested withCream, Jack
Bruce (USA)
Matthew Parmenter; solo, Discipline, e.g. Phideaux’s–Doomsday
Afternoon etc
Cleis Pearce: (also viola) The MacKenzie Theory, guested with Gilli
Smyth
Colin Pearson: Comus
John G. Perry: Sunset Wading
Péter Pejtsik: After Crying
Nick Pickett: Peter Green, John Dummer (Blues) Band; a solo (e.g.
Silversleeves)
Dominique Pifarely: (French "third-stream" style), e.g.
with Louis Sclavis
Jorge Pinchevski: Gong (e.g. Shamal)
Mirella Pirskanen: Flairck
Noel Pointer:
Sergio Polizzi: Bubu
Antonio Pontarelli: recorded with Jethro Tull, Serj Tankian (e.g. System
of a Down)
Jean-Luc Ponty: solo, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Zappa, etc.
Martin Powell: My Dying Bride
Lizzy Prendergast: Bluehorses (folk prog)
Enrico Professione: debut album by Opus Avantra
Omar Puente: member of Courtney Pine's Jazz Warriors (e.g. Afropeans)
Luluk Purwanto: Flairck
Bob Pycior: Skeletonbreath's Louise
W Quintus: Perzival (Germany)
David Ragsdale: solo (e.g. David & Goliath),
Kansas, Salem Hill, PDQ, guest on various eg. The Smashing Pumpkins (e.g. Siamese
Dream), Jason Bonham (e.g. Motherland), Queensryche (e.g.
Hear in the Now Frontier), Cryptic Vision (e.g. Moments of
Clarity and In a World)
Kala Ramnath: (Indian violinist) e.g. Miles
From India
Z Reinhart: jazz violin
(Germany)
Todd Reynolds: Mahavishnu Project (e.g. Live Bootleg)
M Ripoche: Solo,
guested with Vangelis (Canada)
Scarlet Rivera: Bob Dylan (e.g. Hurricane ex. Desire)
Mary Rowell: e.g. Joe Jackson's Symphony No 1
P Sage: Wally (Uk)
Geoffrey Salmon: Esperanto
A Sanchez: Decibel Saetna (Mexico)
Ric Sanders: solo, Soft Machine, Fairport Convention,
Sanders-Etheridge
Mariano Schiavolini: debut album by Celeste (Italy)
Jenny Scheinmann:
Thomas Schmitt: Pell Mell
Judy Schomper: Flairck
Mia Scot: folk violinist (eg. Iona Lane’s Hallival)
Barley Scotch(aka https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wheeler_%28musician%29" rel="nofollow - ): Hayseed Dixie’s blue grass pastiche’s of rock classics (e.g. (Don’t
Fear) The Reaper)
Jonathan Segal: Camper Van Beethoven.
Zbigniew Seifert, solo, guest on Charlie Mariano's Helen 12 Trees
Igor Semenoff: Univers Zero (e.g. Implosion)
Simon Shaheen: solo and other projects e.g. Bill Laswell
L. Shankar: solo, Shakti, Peter Gabriel, Frank Zappa etc.
M Shinezaki: jazz violin
(Japan)Ray Shulman: Gentle Giant (e.g. In A Glass House)
Jeffrey Sick: Christopher Gross Band, Guarneri Underground
((USA)
Tracy Silverman: guest on Paul Hanson's Frolic In The
Land Of Plenty
Nicky Skopelitis: Golden Palomino, Ekstasis, + session work
Allen Sloan: Dixie Dregs
Graham Smith: String Driven Thing, Van Der Graaf Generator
Stuff Smith: jazz legend eg. Jazz Violin
Summit (with Ponty and Grappelli).
Paul Solley : Paladin
Rob Spall: guested on Soft Machine's Third
Alejandro Spanga: string section on the album by William Gray's Living
Fossils (Argentina)
Graham Smith: String Driven Thing, Van der Graaf (e.g. Second
Generation)
Pieregidio Spiller: first album by Opus Avantra
Robby Steinhardt: Kansas, Steinhardt-Moon
Katie Stone: My Dying Bride
James Sudakow: solo (e.g. Green), Human Life Index
Dave Swarbrick: solo, Sandy Denny, Fairport Convention
https://www.discogs.com/artist/591361-Mazz-Swift" rel="nofollow - Violin on Hear In Now’sNot Living In Fear (2017)
Jamii Szmadzinski: Shadowfax
Pierre Tassone: Taylor's Free Universe.
Magdalena Tatoo: Spin XXI
Omar Faruk Tekbilek: e.g. Mystical Garden (Turkey)
Rob Thomas: e.g. Mahavishnu Project (e.g. Return To
The Emerald Beyond)
Billy Thompson: e.g. Barbara Thompson's Paraphenalia (e.g. Never
Say Goodbye)
Patrick Tillman/Tilleman: Terpandre, Zao, Gerry Hunt
Boyd Tinsley: Dave Matthews Band
Sophie Trudeau: Godspeed You Black Emperor, A Silver Mt. Zion, Valley of
the Giants
Lorre Lynn Trytten (who also played kokyo, a Japanese violin): Flairck
Akihisa Tsuboy; KBB, Interpose, Ashda
Petar Ugrin: September (e.g. Zadnja avantura)
Steve Unruh: prog folk
Michal Urbaniak: solo, Urbanator
Eigo Utoh: Midas
J Van Derek: Michael Chapman (UK)
Frank Van Essen: Iona
Jasper Van Rosmalen: Aemen (e.g. Time)
Carolijn Van Der Sanden: Aemen (e.g. Time)
Laura Van Der Stoep: Aemen (e.g. Time)
Joe Venuti: 20's/30's jazz great
Marcus Viana: Sagrado Coraçao da Terra, Saecula Saeculorum (Italy)
Raymond Vincent: Esperanto
Violin
Cyndee (Cyndee Lee Rule): solo, Systems Theory
Rocco Vitiello: Notabene (Italy)
Kleber Vogel: Quaterna Requiem (e.g. Velha
Gravura), Kaizen.
Jeremy Warmsley: (e.g. The Art of Fiction)
Darryl Way: solo, Wolf, Curved Air, guest with Gong
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wheeler_%28musician%29" rel="nofollow - (aka Barley Scotch):
Hayseed Dixie’s blue grass pastiches of rock classics (e.g. (Don’t Fear)
The Reaper)
Michael White: solo (ex. The X-Factor),
Fourth Way
John Wierder: Animals, guested with Stud (UK)
Lucy Wilkins: guested with Roxy Music
Patrick Wolf: (e.g. Wind In The Wires)
Mark Wood: Jordan Rudess, e.g. Feeding the Wheel (e.g. Encores
Legends & Paradox. Tribute to ELP); Stratospheerius
Gavyn Wright: Penguin Cafe Orchestra
Hisako Yamashta: Stomu Yamashta Band (e.g. Complete Go Sessions)
Bob Yang: http://www.bobbyyang.com/video/750kb.htm" rel="nofollow - http://www.bobbyyang.com/video/750kb.htm
Katsui
Yjui: guest with Coil on
Big Games
And for good measure some violists: John Cale: solo, Velvet Underground, guest on
Hector Zazou (e.g. Blue Sahara)
Jacinto M. Corral: Hyacintus (Argentina)
Nicole Federici: e.g. Mahavishnu Project e.g. Return
To The Emerald Beyond
Patrick Hanappier: Univers Zero.
Tony Harris: Esperanto
Christoph "Nops" Noppeney: Hoelderlin's Live
Traumstadt
Mat Maneri: (free jazz player) solo
Fernando Muollo: string section on the album by William Gray's Living
Fossils
Rick Nelson: The Mandrake Project
Cleis Pearce: The MacKenzie Theory, guested with Gilli Smyth
Jocelyne Pook: solo, Electra Strings/Brilliant Strings, ABC, Communards,
Massive Atttack
Geoffrey Richardson: Caravan (e.g. For Girls Who Grow Plump In The
Night)
David Rose:
Judy Schomper: Flairck
S Woolam: ELO (UK)
And Celloists:
Jack Bruce: Cream, Solo.
Lindsey Cooper: Henry Cow
Melora Creager: Rasputina
Ana-sofi Dahlberg: Anekdoten
Daniel De Jesus: Rasputina
Charles Dickie: Van Der Graaf Generator’s Vital
Timothy Kraemer: Esperanto
Julian Lloyd-Webber: solo (eg. Variations)
Marko Manninen: Hoyry Kone, Alamaailman Vasarat
Marieke Van der Heyden: Flairck
And String Quartets who play jazz, rock,etc.:
Ameto String Quartet: e.g. https://href.li/?https://dawdajobarteh.bandcamp.com/album/soaring-wild-lands" rel="nofollow - Balanescu Quartet: e.g. Possessed for covers of Kraftwerk
Ethel:e.g. on Joe Jackson, Todd Rundgren’s
State Theater New Jersey 2005
Kronos String Quartet: e.g. include Hendrix, Cage in their repertoire
Morgaua String Quartet: with 4 albums of progressive music covers, e.g. Atom Heart
Mother Is Close To The Edge Radio String Quartet: e.g. Celebrating The Mahavishnu Orchestra
tribute (awarded German Jazz Critics Prize 2007) Stringfever: http://www.stringfever.co.uk/video.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.stringfever.co.uk/video.html The String Quartet: e.g. released a couple of Rush cover albums. Turtle Island String Quartet: everything from blue grass to Hendrix to
Robert Johnson to Chick Corea
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 01 2022 at 06:43
Dick Heath wrote:
Buried deep in PA is a list of violinists I gathered together and then updated over several years. Originally it was produced to prove a point there far more violinists than suggested by some here in the '00s. I gave up on September 2010. That is until now, adding ten more entries this morning. Clearly more to go, so please help adding names via this thread, so I can further update the master list. Here is that list:
Rock, folk, jazz violinist
data base
NOTES:
Musicians listed alphabetically, surname.
...
Hi,
Outstanding ... by far the first time I have seen a "listing" that we can be really proud of, that does not feature 5 of the poster's favorites!
Thanks you so much
The bigger issue I have, is how much of this is actually being given a listen, so many of these have the chance to be enjoyed and appreciated.
I'm not partial to any specific one person in this list, but there are some great things here:
Darryl Way
Graham Smith
Papa John Crech
Charlie Daniels
Chris Karrer (part time)
Michael Karoli (part time)
Laurie Anderson
Charly Bisharat
Richard Coff
Michael Evans
Simon House
Dave Swarbrick
and so many others ... it's not like the violin died and went to heaven ... we got stuck on the instruments that are mentioned as most important for progressive music ... instead of concentrating on the music itself! The mentality is sad, and hurts the many bands out there that did some really beautiful work and can only get some attention via the dedication of one member in PA that went out of his way to create such a list and show us ... PROG/PROGRESSIVE never died ... it was always alive, but we got stuck on the "top 5". The sooner we admit it and agree, the better, and the more we will be able to listen to a heck of a lot of music out there.
I didn't check, and will ... I can't even name violin players that were involved with folks at ECM other than Shankar ... Egberto Gismonti had one in Brazil that was fabulous, as were a lot of the folks he played with!
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: April 01 2022 at 07:14
Thanks that is appreciated. I'll add those players already listed here on this thread.
In passing, I had attempted a list of harpsichord players... but....................
At the end of the 60's the smaller recording studios appeared to lack the funds to purchase/hire the new fangled Moog synthesiser but had access to harpsichords. For instance the instrument can be heard on several of the releases issued by Elektra Records, e.g. by Judy Collins, Love, The Doors. At the same time Neil Innes was to be found playing the instrument with the Bonzos.
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: April 01 2022 at 19:39
Did anyone mention the amazing Nash the Slash? If so, I missed it!
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Posted By: PhideauxFan
Date Posted: April 02 2022 at 02:24
KBB (Japan).
http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=738" rel="nofollow - KBB discography and reviews (progarchives.com)
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: April 02 2022 at 04:11
Appreciate the list Dick Heath but it's not what I asked for. Not reading the OP and morphing the topic seems to be tradition at PA, so carry on.
Grumpyprogfan wrote:
In the 70's, bands such as Kansas, Dixie Dregs, Jean-Luc Ponty, and Mahavishnu Orchestra prominently featured violin in their music. Are there any modern bands (last twenty years) that feature the violin?
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: April 03 2022 at 16:28
Um … yes. Dick's list was put together in 2004? I don't think it's been updated.
Ingranaggi Della Valle debuted with quite a violin-heavy sound with their 2013 debut, In hoc signo. (Marco Genarini)
So many bands use violinists or string quartets and string ensembles to augment their music--often on a song-by-song basis, its almost the minority that don't use stringed instrumentalists in their songs! It's just less common for the principle headliner/composer to be a violinist.
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: April 04 2022 at 06:01
List updated mid 2010 so includes violinists from 2002..................................
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Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: April 04 2022 at 09:24
ExittheLemming wrote:
I know this falls outside the scope of the OP being music > 40 years old but it's more of a 'heads up' to most of you who've likely never had the chance to hear it. Rather obscure but worth every moment tracking down are Scottish avant leaning Chou Pahrot whose sole full length album from '79 is a 5 star pant filler recorded live (though some dispute this) featuring some spine tingling violin from the unforgettably named 'Eggy Beard' who started life as Martin McKenna:
Think of Crimson and the Magic Band playing unrecognisable Bartok & Stravinsky covers at the Scottish wedding of Ivor Cutler and Wild Man Fischer and you're in the ballpark thereabouts....
Possibly the greatest band that ever existed.
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Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: April 04 2022 at 11:42
Dick, first of all, amazing work! May I suggest that you start another thread, exact forum location unknown, with your list where we can add in ones that are missing, so that we don't completely derail the original thread and what the OP has requested. I have a half dozen or so that I can add (Believe, Strawbs, Dave Cousins, Fuchsia, Il Castello di Atlante, FM, (beyond what you already have) , Decameron, Lindisfarne, Galahad) with probably more coming...Or, as Brufordfreak stated so well, is it so prevalent that we should start listing bands that NEVER used violin instead!
Posted By: Gallifrey
Date Posted: April 11 2022 at 07:10
My band has a full time violinist, and a saxophonist. Way more interesting than the umpteenth guitar-and-keys band. But yeah I agree it's far less common. Sax is getting big in metal circles though
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Posted By: gandalph059
Date Posted: April 11 2022 at 11:03
yes, there are thank god., shadow gallery, most or all thier lps., , a band called dreamship, title ancestral voyage, you,ll love it. , and i believe many many of glasshammers lps. also, also a band you may not know about, , called seven thieves., folk renassaince, all acoustic, , definitley uses violins, and everything else, have to hear to believe., im like you, kansas and jon luc ponty the seven thieves lp. they have 2 lps., first one called, just seven thieves, allmusic and spotify, only, , and a second one called scenic, i dont have the second one , just yet, but the first waay highermusic arts than , mainstream, of course, and crappy pbs., , i think youll really like the, dreamship lp. called ancestral voyage., and of course shadow gallery.take care, thanks for postin.
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 11 2022 at 11:06
gandalph059 wrote:
yes, there are thank god., shadow gallery, most or all thier lps., , a band called dreamship, title ancestral voyage, you,ll love it. , and i believe many many of glasshammers lps. also, also a band you may not know about, , called seven thieves., folk renassaince, all acoustic, , definitley uses violins, and everything else, have to hear to believe., im like you, kansas and jon luc ponty the seven thieves lp. they have 2 lps., first one called, just seven thieves, allmusic and spotify, only, , and a second one called scenic, i dont have the second one , just yet, but the first waay highermusic arts than , mainstream, of course, and crappy pbs., , i think youll really like the, dreamship lp. called ancestral voyage., and of course shadow gallery.take care, thanks for postin.
Sorry to be a jerk, but have you heard of punctuation and capitalization?
Posted By: gandalph059
Date Posted: April 11 2022 at 11:11
sorry, meant, no offense, please forgive, thank you.
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 11 2022 at 11:25
gandalph059 wrote:
sorry, meant, no offense, please forgive, thank you.
I'm not offended and I'm sure you mean well, but when you write like this, people won't understand what you're trying to say, you're hard to follow, that's all.
Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: April 11 2022 at 11:27
gandalph059 wrote:
sorry, meant, no offense, please forgive, thank you.
Don’t worry. I understood you. 👍🏻
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Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: April 11 2022 at 11:48
Heard this the other day on progrock.com.
Electric Asturias - Double Helix
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: April 11 2022 at 12:33
Superb stuff, they will probably be appearing on progrock.com on my show in the upcoming weeks.
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Posted By: gandalph059
Date Posted: April 11 2022 at 13:10
thank you, i know, i don"t always puncuate, ect., but getting the spelling and message out, is more important , but yes i"ll, try to better., i love prog. rock, the arts., and love all you ,, just wanted to put out some of the greatest musicians i"ve heard in art rock. i do know that glasshammer has a real time violinist on several lps., and definitley, seven thieves, 1st lp. for sure, , just tryin to spread the musical and lyrical greatness.,just so glad to be here, thanks all, god bless take care.
Posted By: gandalph059
Date Posted: April 11 2022 at 13:17
thank you,, love this site, and all where , the real musics, are discussed and appreciated., just to post, , and get the word out, , thank you, , just love great musicians and great lyrics, the highest end of what, they call arts, my opinion, god bless you,
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: April 11 2022 at 14:31
Thanks mathman0806! I am familiar with Electric Asturias. That is exactly what I'm looking for. Prominent violin, from modern bands.
Welcome to PA gandalph059! I know Glass Hammer, but I'll check out Dreamship and Seven Thieves. Thanks. Look forward to your participation in the forums.
Posted By: CosmicMessenger
Date Posted: April 12 2022 at 14:16
As a fan of the great JLP since I discovered his progressive work in the early-80s, I've found Nigel Kennedy's work to be up to comparable standards. No, he didn't start his own "band," but his work is pretty sweet, regardless.
Here's an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-3-NvNj-uk
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: April 12 2022 at 15:10
I just reviewed http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=72970" rel="nofollow - this album. The group uses a lot of electric violin...not sure if that qualifies
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: April 12 2022 at 15:27
kenethlevine wrote:
I just reviewed http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=72970" rel="nofollow - this album. The group uses a lot of electric violin...not sure if that qualifies
Qualifies if you read the OP. Will listen to your suggestion. Thanks.
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: April 12 2022 at 18:36
Grumpyprogfan wrote:
kenethlevine wrote:
I just reviewed http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=72970" rel="nofollow - this album. The group uses a lot of electric violin...not sure if that qualifies
Qualifies if you read the OP. Will listen to your suggestion. Thanks.
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 13 2022 at 07:17
Gallifrey wrote:
My band has a full time violinist, and a saxophonist. Way more interesting than the umpteenth guitar-and-keys band. But yeah I agree it's far less common. Sax is getting big in metal circles though
Hi,
Not quite as original, but still nice. I remember HAWKWIND had the saxophone, way before within hard rock music, and not a single person I ever met, complained about it, or thought it was weird, or strange. Sax, was big then, as it is now, except that the commercial side of music has hidden a lot of talent and music, to kiss its own bands as better and on the top of the pops bands. And then HAWKWIND even added violin to hard rock ... not many bands were even doing that, specially hard rock bands at the time!
But today's fans ...
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Posted By: CosmicMessenger
Date Posted: April 13 2022 at 10:26