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Topic: 5 things you probably didn't know about...
Posted By: BaldJean
Subject: 5 things you probably didn't know about...
Date Posted: February 18 2022 at 19:29
... any musical artist of your choice. I will start with Barbara Dennerlein.

1) at age 11 Barbara was given an organ by her grandpa as a Christmas present. it didn't have any pedals though. when Barbara went to her first organ lesson her teacher had a Hammond B3, so when she came home she told her Dad: "you have to buy me an organ with pedals; I want to learn the real thing". luckily for us her Dad obliged.

2) Barbara had lessons for only 2 years; after that she is self-taught.

3) at age 15 Barbara gave her first concerts in a in a jazz club in Munich and quickly earned a reputation as "the organ tornado from Munich".

4) Barbara doesn't only play organ; she also plays drums. she has a drum kit in her studio on which she practices on a fairly regular basis, though definitely not as much as she practices playing organ. she has never played drums on one of her albums or in a concert though.

5) Barbara has a complicated backstory with famous jazz organist Jimmy Smith; it started beautifully, almost like a fairy tale, and ended ugly. at age 15 (so late 1979 or early 1980; Barbara was born Sep 25th 1964) Barbara took part in an organ contest to which Jimmy Smith was invited as guest of honor; he was not a member of the jury though. Barbara came in 2nd in the contest; she played jazz on the organ. the ones who came in 1st and 3rd played pop songs that were popular at that time.

the 3 players who came in the first 3 places were supposed to play again. the 1st-placed played the same pop song. Barbara decided to play a different jazz number than she had played in the contest, and while she was playing she suddenly noticed someone gently brushing her hair aside (according to Barbara it was very long back then) to sit down beside her and play with her - Jimmy Smith! this was of course a slap in the face for the jury; the great Jimmy Smith playing with the one they put in 2nd place! they had apparently chosen the wrong one as winner.

for several years Barbara and Jimmy kept a good friendship; they went to each others concerts when the occasion arose, went to restaurants together and the likes. all this changed when about 2 weeks before Barbara's 24th birthday they both were to play at a TV-program called "Jazz Club". here is what Barbara said about that event in an interview:

Interviewer: You played Dizzy's "Night in Tunisia" with some really hot pedal work, a song Jimmy Smith had also recorded. I'm curious how things went backstage - For example, did he see you playing during the sound check, and did you talk?

BD: Yeah, I mean I didn't see him, but I'm sure he did. The story is, we were supposed to play together. I remember that very well, it was in Leonberg, fine weather, it was very nice - and he didn't talk to me. And I thought, well, we're playing in two hours, we should talk about what we are going to play. And then I met him in the hallway, and I said, "Hello! We're supposed to play together, should we talk about what we're going to play?" I said that to him and I've never seen someone getting such an angry face. And he was shivering [enraged] and says "What, you and me playing together, never. They don't pay me enough!" Really, those were his words, really angry.

So I'm thinking, "Whoops what's going on here," so then I went to the director and I said, "I just talked to Jimmy Smith and he's not going to play with me, maybe you should clear up the situation. I just tried to ask him what we are going to play - whatever," later he [the director] came and said, "Well if he would do it now would you still play with him?" And I said, "Well, you know of course I'm not happy about it, because I know from this reaction that we won't be playing with each other, this will be a playing against each other, a competition," and that's one thing I hate. I really hate to be on stage with people in that situation, trying to one-up each other, everyone tries to play quicker and louder to get the audience's attention, I hate that, I want to make music. But I said, "Okay, I mean, if you want me to do it, I will, but I'm not happy about it." And later he [the director] came and told me he wouldn't do it anyway.

And then, the thing is originally, Jimmy Smith was there with his quartet, and the show wanted to have me there solo, they thought I should play with Jimmy Smith's musicians. And I said in advance of that concert, I think this isn't a fair situation, because this is the band Jimmy Smith is playing with and they know each other and know the music, and you want me to play on the same show with musicians I don't know. At least I think I should have my drummer who knows my songs.

And in the end I was able to bring my drummer, and this was something which saved me you know, because then Jimmy Smith didn't allow his musicians to talk to me or to play with me. I remember sitting outside with his musicians and they were very, very nice and we were talking and we had fun, and then Jimmy Smith came out in the garden where we were sitting and immediately, you know, they stopped talking.

Interviewer: It's strange, before that, the last time you saw each other you were friendly?

BD: Yeah, I don't know, I remember one concert where I played in Munich and he [Jimmy Smith] told my father he should not tell me that he was there. And he stood behind a column. And he was very nice. And then suddenly at that ZDF Jazz Club - and I think he really heard me play that night, and maybe in a way that caused the shift. I was disappointed of course, but on the other hand I thought maybe I can understand him a little bit.

I try to see the other person's side. I think that because generations of organ players have copied Jimmy Smith, maybe this affects someone's thinking, you know what I mean, because it's a fact, almost all organ players copy Jimmy Smith. A few, like Larry Young, had their own style, but for the most part, it's always - Jimmy Smith is the greatest and I want to play like Jimmy Smith. Now don't get me wrong, of course he is fantastic, but why should everyone play like Jimmy Smith, that's boring.

well, that's it. now for the artist of your choice...


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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: February 18 2022 at 19:59
oh, and in case you have no idea who Barbara Dennerlein is here three videos of her: one with band, one solo on a pipe organ, and the TV-performance of her which I mentioned in my initial post and which Jimmy Smith had apparently heard her practice; she played Dizzy Gillespie's standard "A Night in Tunisia" and her own composition "Tribute to Charlie". the YouTube title of the pipe organ track is misleading; she cites the famous toccata and fugue in D-minor, but the improvisation is based on the track "Downtown N.Y." from her 1992 album "That's Me".









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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta


Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: February 19 2022 at 05:30
Triumvirat....

1) Triumvirat's famous musician/singer/songwriter Helmut Koellen used to be a sound man for the band before he joined the group itself

2) Though developing a following and album sales in Canada, Triumvirat only ever played one concert there, on August 5th, 1975, in Calgary, Alberta, opening for Supertramp. The band had passport difficulties that prevented them from doing many Canadian concerts.

3) Doug Fieger, later of the group the Knack, joined Triumvirat briefly as a guitarist/vocalist in late 1975, but left as things within the group were pretty chaotic at the time, as Helmut Koellen had just left the band.

4) Triumvirat's fourth studio album, Old Loves Die Hard, reached Number 1 in Portugal in the year of it's release in 1976, and the group were invited there to receive an award.

5) Alas, after the success of their album Spartacus, entering the top 30 in America, and doing well in other parts of the world, the tour for the subsequent album Old Loves Die Hard had to be cancelled due to lack of ticket sales. With the next album, 1977's Pompeii, lead singer Barry Palmer had wanted to tour properly for the album, but group leader Juergen Fritz objected to doing so in any grand way, something that was never properly explained to Palmer. 


Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: February 19 2022 at 06:38
1 - Emerson, Lake & Palmer referred to each other by their respective nicknames of Fingers, Spud and Porky Pig

2 - The working title of the Karn Evil 9 suite was Ganton 9

3 - What sounds like a kick drum as 'heartbeat' on the atmospheric intro to the Endless Enigma from the Trilogy album was actually a percussive thump by Greg on his bass guitar (No, he didn't invent slap bass)

4 - The original title for Abaddon's Bolero from the same Trilogy album was Bellona's Bolero after the Roman goddess of war.

5 - HR Giger claims he was never paid for doing the artwork for Brain Salad Surgery

6 - (Bonus thang y'all) The band approached Salvador Dali to do the cover for the Trilogy album but on hearing his exorbitant fee they quickly had to withdraw their offer (kinda ironic seeing as how the market rate at that point was precisely zero based on 5)







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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: February 19 2022 at 07:03
I forgot to mention a nice anecdote Barbara told in an interview with Alan Bryson. she was going to give a concert on the organ of the dome of Passau, one of the largest organs in the world. it has 17974 pipes and 5 manuals which trigger 5 different sets of organ pipes, plus of course the pedals. this means that on average 62 pipes are assigned to each key or pedal. why on average? because on most organs some rows of pipes don't cover the full range, and I assume this is the same with this specific organ.

anyway, she was practicing on that organ at night (she couldn't do it during the day because too many tourists are in the dome then) and was playing a tutti with all stops out (meaning all pipes assigned to a key or pedal were on), and just as she did this a thunderstorm raged outside the church. can you imagine this? this is right outside of a gothic novel or a horror movie - a lonely woman raising hell on a church organ while thunder and lightning raise hell outside.

and just think of the noise she must have made! when she played a chord with 8 fingers and her 2 feet about 600 organ pipes went off at the same time. wow! I would have liked to be there.

you can find this interview on YouTube; here a link to the first part in which she tells that story of her playing accompanied by a thunderstorm:




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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta


Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: February 19 2022 at 07:35
Some Todd Rundgren things you might not know.

1. Todd created the Apple II computer paint program called the Utopia Graphics System and codeveloped Flowfaze, a screensaver with psychedelic video effects.

2. In the mid-1990's, Todd harnessed the rise of the internet to launch Patronet, severing ties with record labels and distributing his music directly to fans via a subscription model. A visionary move, predating iTunes or Napster by years.

3. Rundgren composed scores for several comedy films and shows, including Pee-Wee's Playhouse and the 1994 Jim Carrey film Dumb and Dumber.

4. When he was 21, he almost gave up music for computer programming. 

5. Todd had a feud with John Lennon.  https://grunge.com/459438/the-truth-about-todd-rundgrens-feud-with-john-lennon/" rel="nofollow - https://grunge.com/459438/the-truth-about-todd-rundgrens-feud-with-john-lennon/

Bonus item
6. In 1980, Todd his girlfriend, and houseguests, were tied up and robbed. Todd said of the incident - the robbers "threatened to cut all my fingers off if I didn't tell them where I hid all my cocaine, on the weird presumption that anybody in the music business had a lot of cocaine". 


Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: February 19 2022 at 07:54
I can't think of anything that anyone visiting this site would care to know about Barbara Dennerlein apart from she's a brilliant post bop jazz organist who has also released classically inspired compositions and that she will never be admitted to Prog Archives (and I own 5 of her albums so kill me) She also plays bass-lines with her feet like Jimmy Smith, Vincent Crane, Joey DeFrancesco, Tony Monaco, Cory Henry, Groove Holmes, Jimmy McGriff, Jack McDuff, Charles Earland, Shirley Scott, Larry Goldings, Pat Bianchi, Mike LeDonne, Jared Gold, Brian Charette (the list goes on)

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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: February 19 2022 at 08:40
Motorcycle daredevil Robert Kneivel reportedly acquired his "Evel" moniker after being banged up overnight in a police cell in his home town of Butte, Montana on a minor traffic violation. In the cell next to Evel was a notorious  local villain known as Awful Knaufel. When the local county sheriff saw them both together, the sheriff exclaimed, "Look at what we got here: Awful Knaufel and Evil Knievel", and the nickname stuck. Evel Knievel later changed the spelling to "Evel" to make his name sound less evil. Smile



Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: February 19 2022 at 09:46
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Motorcycle daredevil Robert Kneivel reportedly acquired his "Evel" moniker after being banged up overnight in a police cell in his home town of Butte, Montana on a minor traffic violation. In the cell next to Evel was a notorious  local villain known as Awful Knaufel. When the local county sheriff saw them both together, the sheriff exclaimed, "Look at what we got here: Awful Knaufel and Evil Knievel", and the nickname stuck. Evel Knievel later changed the spelling to "Evel" to make his name sound less evil. Smile


Er, the OP says "any musical artist of your choice.". Unless Mr Knievel has made some albums I'm not aware of.


Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: February 19 2022 at 10:19
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Motorcycle daredevil Robert Kneivel reportedly acquired his "Evel" moniker after being banged up overnight in a police cell in his home town of Butte, Montana on a minor traffic violation. In the cell next to Evel was a notorious  local villain known as Awful Knaufel. When the local county sheriff saw them both together, the sheriff exclaimed, "Look at what we got here: Awful Knaufel and Evil Knievel", and the nickname stuck. Evel Knievel later changed the spelling to "Evel" to make his name sound less evil. Smile


Er, the OP says "any musical artist of your choice.". Unless Mr Knievel has made some albums I'm not aware of.
Okay, here's a brief musical factoid to get back on-topic:-

Snooker legend and Romford boy-wonder Steve "Interesting" Davis is currently a member of Krautrock trio, The Utopia Strong. Not a lot of people know that. Wink





Posted By: JD
Date Posted: February 19 2022 at 10:37
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

1 - Emerson, Lake & Palmer referred to each other by their respective nicknames of Fingers, Spud and Porky Pig

2 - The working title of the Karn Evil 9 suite was Ganton 9

3 - What sounds like a kick drum as 'heartbeat' on the atmospheric intro to the Endless Enigma from the Trilogy album was actually a percussive thump by Greg on his bass guitar (No, he didn't invent slap bass)

4 - The original title for Abaddon's Bolero from the same Trilogy album was Bellona's Bolero after the Roman goddess of war.

5 - HR Giger claims he was never paid for doing the artwork for Brain Salad Surgery

6 - (Bonus thang y'all) The band approached Salvador Dali to do the cover for the Trilogy album but on hearing his exorbitant fee they quickly had to withdraw their offer (kinda ironic seeing as how the market rate at that point was precisely zero based on 5

Thumbs Up I was going to do an ELP one but it looks like you beat me to the punch. So may I suggest that anyone who want to discuss a band already mentioned just add to the OP post?
As in.

7 - Keith Emerson said in an interview that the band joked amongst themselves that ELP stood for "Eat Lots of Potatoes"


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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: February 19 2022 at 12:01
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Motorcycle daredevil Robert Kneivel reportedly acquired his "Evel" moniker after being banged up overnight in a police cell in his home town of Butte, Montana on a minor traffic violation. In the cell next to Evel was a notorious  local villain known as Awful Knaufel. When the local county sheriff saw them both together, the sheriff exclaimed, "Look at what we got here: Awful Knaufel and Evil Knievel", and the nickname stuck. Evel Knievel later changed the spelling to "Evel" to make his name sound less evil. Smile


Er, the OP says "any musical artist of your choice.". Unless Mr Knievel has made some albums I'm not aware of.
Okay, here's a brief musical factoid to get back on-topic:-

Snooker legend and Romford boy-wonder Steve "Interesting" Davis is currently a member of Krautrock trio, The Utopia Strong. Not a lot of people know that. Wink



Ooh, ooh, I knew that. Their album is really good too.



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