England's Hidden Reverse and then some
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Topic: England's Hidden Reverse and then some
Posted By: Hiram
Subject: England's Hidden Reverse and then some
Date Posted: February 06 2022 at 02:20
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England's Hidden Reverse: A Secret History of the Esoteric Underground is a biography of the bands Coil, Current 93 and Nurse With Wound, written by David Keenan. This poll includes the said bands, but also a few others (not only English) more or less closely related to the same scene and era. Choose your favourites and, if you like, let us know which ones and why. MULTIPLE VOTES ALLOWED. All discussion on the subject is encouraged. I'm especially interested if there's anyone who followed the scene closely at the time. Any members of TOPY? Similar artists worth mentioning? I'm aware that some works of some of these bands can be considered ideologically "dodgy", but let's all be civil and keep politics out of the discussion, shall we.
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Posted By: Hiram
Date Posted: February 06 2022 at 22:58
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Anyone? Ok, I'll start myself. Coil for showing what Magick is. Throbbing Gristle for pushing the boundaries and finding beauty in the grotesque. Psychic TV for keeping up the good work and opening many doors ov perception. 23/93 |
Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: February 07 2022 at 02:12
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I’ll let my patriotic bias come through, and go for SPK, founded by Kiwi Graeme Revell, and featuring a rotating international cast, including the future progenitor of dark ambient, Lustmord. Somehow or other, SPK seem to have been lost in the annals of history, despite being a massively influential band. Most people will recognise some of the bands here (eg Throbbing Gristle), but despite Graeme Revell being quite well known now for his soundtracks, SPK remains hugely overlooked and underrated. ------------- https://tinyurl.com/nickhnz-tpa" rel="nofollow - Reviewer for The Progressive Aspect |
Posted By: Hiram
Date Posted: February 07 2022 at 02:23
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I like the early noisy and horrible (in the best possible way!) SPK albums Information Overload Unit and Leichenschrei. I also appreciate the later ones, but don't find them as interesting. You're right about them being overlooked. I think they were musically as good or even better than Throbbing Gristle for instance.
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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: February 07 2022 at 04:40
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I like how varied the SPK discography is, most (if not all) of it is not too hard to find between YouTube and Bandcamp, which is cool - as at least there is a chance for people to be introduced to their music. I don’t think I particularly have a preference for any particular album. I enjoy both beauty and the beast. And, again it might be my patriotic bias, but I definitely think SPK is better than Throbbing Gristle! 😜 🇳🇿 🥝 ------------- https://tinyurl.com/nickhnz-tpa" rel="nofollow - Reviewer for The Progressive Aspect |
Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: February 08 2022 at 01:01
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Just to continue my patriotic streak, I’ll put in a plug for Skeptics. AFFCO, by the Skeptics, from was the very first industrial track I ever heard. The band “made a video for the Skeptics III track "AFFCO", named after the New Zealand meat processing company AFFCO. Directed by Stuart Page, the video was filmed in the Westfield Freezing Company and Kellax meat packers in Auckland and included graphic footage of lambs being slaughtered and cut up, contrasted with footage of lambs in a field. Singer David d'Ath also appeared wrapped in plastic cling film and fake blood.” (Wikipedia). When I created a list of 150 of the most important/influential albums in New Zealand music, Skeptics III was always going to be part of it. I must have accidentally caught one of the very few times the AFFCO video was played on tv (you need to verify your age to watch it on YouTube) and it clearly made an impact because I can remember where I saw it - on holiday in Cromwell. I was still very young, the music was unlike anything I’d ever heard, and the video was mind-blowing. I didn’t like the audio or the visual at the time. Even though I now like a lot of industrial music, it took me a long time before o ever felt any desire ot curiosity to listen to Skeptics again, and the only reason I can think of is because of how shocked I was when I first saw/heard AFFCO. Listening to the album in later years, it’s of course not at all as extreme as I remembered it to br. Heck, it’s actually quite...well, nice is definitely not the right word, but listenable. Maybe, even enjoyable? 😜 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZKDjElk7Ts" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZKDjElk7Ts (Not sure if the link will work for an age restricted video.) ------------- https://tinyurl.com/nickhnz-tpa" rel="nofollow - Reviewer for The Progressive Aspect |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: February 08 2022 at 02:55
| NON of the above. |
Posted By: Hiram
Date Posted: February 08 2022 at 12:21
Many thanks! I don't think I've heard of Skeptics before. Quick sampling from youtube and they sound very good. Will have to dig in deeper. |
nick_h_nz wrote:Posted By: Hiram
Date Posted: February 08 2022 at 12:22
 You're correct, though. This stuff is best left alone.
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: February 08 2022 at 17:06
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NWW ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 08 2022 at 18:09
| I have been very into Current 93, and I would like to give another vote for Nature and Organisation. I'm not as familiar, but also Nurse With Wound will get a mention. Have checked out Coil and Throbbing Gristle, and I think Cabaret Voltaire. I wish were more familiar with various acts here. |
Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: February 08 2022 at 23:48
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I like what I’ve heard from a lot of the bands mentioned here, but I certainly am not familiar with all of them, and even the ones I have listened to, I wouldn’t claim any great familiarity. A lot of it is not easy to listen to, so it’s not a surprise there haven’t been many who’ve responded to this poll - but I am still surprised at just how few have. 🤔 ------------- https://tinyurl.com/nickhnz-tpa" rel="nofollow - Reviewer for The Progressive Aspect |
Posted By: Hiram
Date Posted: February 09 2022 at 13:23
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I should mention that not all of these bands are my favourites. I connect them with certain era or "scene", ie. the early industrial music of late 1970s until mid 1980s or so. I have heard all of them, but I'm not sure if I've heard everything from any of them. Hafler Trio I've never understood. I very much struggle with Nurse With Wound. There seems to be a few absolutely brilliant minutes in every hour of their recorded works but most of it goes well over my head. NON/Boyd Rice I can't stand. Cabaret Voltaire and DAF debut albums are great but the rest of theirs are more or less crap to me. Early Laibach is good but most of it is just silly to me.
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: February 09 2022 at 14:26
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Test Dept. are great and the winner for me here. I also like Laibach and Psychic TV a lot. I have much respect for Throbbing Gristle and Coil and probably also for SPK of whom I know almost nothing - I should do something about this. |