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Topic: The NEW (old) ASIA ???
Posted By: JD
Subject: The NEW (old) ASIA ???
Date Posted: February 01 2022 at 15:26
What do you think?
My biggest issue with any iteration of ASIA is that they don't really play around with the tunes. they need more of the prog extravaganza approach with more improv's. Make Heat of the Moment a 9 minute tune. That sort of thing. I think Mark Bonilla will be a good addition, I'm torn on Billy Sherwood. Would have preferred Tony Levin or Geddy Lee although I'm not overly familiar with his contribution.


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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 01 2022 at 16:04
Tony Levin or Geddy Lee? Why would they join Asia? Confused
Not interested in this line-up. Downes has been uninspired for quite a while. 
He shouldn't have got rid of John Payne and that line-up so... easily, unexpectedly and out of the blue, after that long and I dare say fruitful collaboration. He collaborated with a lot of great musicians in that era, now he's got Sherwood... 🤦‍♂️. 
I listened to Bonilla in some collaboration with Keith Emerson but I don't remember much, which means I didn't find it that memorable or it would have stayed with me... 

They should lay Asia to rest, but I guess they got contracts and bills to pay... 


Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: February 01 2022 at 16:07
Any Asia is a yawn inducing Asia. 

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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: February 01 2022 at 16:51
Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

What do you think?
My biggest issue with any iteration of ASIA is that they don't really play around with the tunes. they need more of the prog extravaganza approach with more improv's. Make Heat of the Moment a 9 minute tune. That sort of thing. I think Mark Bonilla will be a good addition, I'm torn on Billy Sherwood. Would have preferred Tony Levin or Geddy Lee although I'm not overly familiar with his contribution.


http://www.carlpalmer.com/press/2022/ASIA-40th-Anniversary-PR.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://www.carlpalmer.com/press/2022/ASIA-40th-Anniversary-PR.pdf

Not a fan of Sherwood, I think from a prog perspective he's a bit over rated. I don't think Geddy is ready for anything like this yet, if they were to go on tour 99% of the audience would be screaming for them to play Tom Sawyer.
Tony Levin would be a good one.

I was a big Asia fan back in the day, those first couple albums are excellent, I still spin them...


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Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: February 01 2022 at 16:52
I agree.  Downes is not inspired. I'd prefer Levin to Sherwood. Lee would be dreamy.  Yeah, I'd like progressive improvs.  



Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: February 01 2022 at 17:35
I really, really hope they do something interesting this time around.


Posted By: Jaketejas
Date Posted: February 01 2022 at 17:56
They’re messing around with my nostalgia again. Is it going to sound like Asia? I feel like that ship has sailed. But, what the heck. Never say never! I’ll listen.


Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: February 01 2022 at 18:39
Asia is a brand. While I enjoy much of their music, they do not have much of a reason to mix the songs up, especially with only two original members. Bonilla and Sherwood will do just fine.

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Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: February 01 2022 at 19:07
have no idea what Downes is thinking he is totally uninspired for years---Yes sucks with him and Sherwood so of course tour with Asia---he's clueless. I mean the success of the original line-up a few years ago would have been a happy ending.


Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: February 01 2022 at 22:48
Interesting timing....let Asia rest in peace.  A friend of mine wrote this nice eulogy to John Wetton...

Remembering JOHN WETTON on the 5th anniversary of his death..(January 31)

Born John Kenneth Wetton - Willington, Derby, England (12 June 1949 - 31 January 2017).

Bassist, vocalist, songwriter: Mogul Thrash (1971), Family (1971-72), KING CRIMSON (1972-74), ROXY MUSIC (1974-75), URIAH HEEP (1975-76), UK (1977-80 & 2011-15), Jack-Knife (1979), solo, Wishbone Ash (1981), ASIA (1981–83, 1984–86, 1989–91 & 2006–16), Wetton / Downes (2003-09).

One of the very best. Not only as a singing bass player. But a progressive rock icon recording/touring with several heavyweight bands and recording numerous milestone albums.

Plus sessions with the likes of Gordon Haskell, Peter Banks, Bryan Ferry, Brian Eno, Phil Manzanera, Roger Chapman, Eddie Jobson, Steve Hackett, Renaissance, ...

He also released six solo studio albums and several live ones.

In August 2015, Wetton announced on Twitter that he was starting chemotherapy for an undisclosed form of cancer. Wetton died in his sleep at a hospice in Bournemouth, Dorset on 31 January 2017, from colon cancer.


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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: February 02 2022 at 00:20
I like Asia. The first couple of albums are still played pretty regularly, and the comeback albums were by no means that bad.

I will not, however, watch them in the absence of Wetton and Howe. I really cannot see the point, but good luck to them. Why would they bother listening to the likes of me if they can make a few bucks?


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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 02 2022 at 00:32
Marc is a very talented guy both as a guitarist and singer. He did a lot of good stuff with Emerson and has all the chops needed for this stuff. If they stick to mainly the debut and Phoenix then I'd love to catch them at some point. Also give some credit to Carl, now in his seventies but there are few guys out there even with 50 years on him that are better!


Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: February 02 2022 at 04:37
Are we still talking about the continent? It sure does have a lot of peninsulas.

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Posted By: Cinema
Date Posted: February 02 2022 at 08:12
Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:

Any Asia is a yawn inducing Asia. 

Amen to that.


Posted By: Jaketejas
Date Posted: February 02 2022 at 19:03
I hope they make more Indiana Jones videos!


Posted By: TheLionOfPrague
Date Posted: February 04 2022 at 08:20
Why isn't Howe playing? That would make it more interesting and worth it, but no Howe and Wetton is hardly Asia.

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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 04 2022 at 08:28
Originally posted by TheLionOfPrague TheLionOfPrague wrote:

Why isn't Howe playing? That would make it more interesting and worth it, but no Howe and Wetton is hardly Asia.

Steve Howe left Asia three times. He's played on 6 of their albums. Asia have released 12 albums. Howe is playing only in half of them (and on Aqua he is not even the main guitarist, he played some acoustic guitars here and there). 

The Payne era Asia deserves more respect, or at least i don't know why it's so ignored and forgotten about. I think the songwriting on some of those albums is great. Downes has chosen to work with some great players during those times. 


Posted By: Steve Wyzard
Date Posted: February 04 2022 at 12:18
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

The Payne era Asia deserves more respect, or at least i don't know why it's so ignored and forgotten about. I think the songwriting on some of those albums is great. Downes has chosen to work with some great players during those times. 

Why doesn't the Payne era receive more respect? Let's keep it simple:

John Wetton is one of the greatest rock vocalists EVER.

John Payne is a downright horrible vocalist, who I'm convinced was only brought on board in 1992 because he sounded like every other second-rate metal vocalist on MTV at the time. Believe me, I really wanted to like him because I loved the band and wanted them to stay active in the marketplace, but his performance on Aqua drove me away until Wetton returned. 


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 04 2022 at 12:21
Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

The Payne era Asia deserves more respect, or at least i don't know why it's so ignored and forgotten about. I think the songwriting on some of those albums is great. Downes has chosen to work with some great players during those times. 

Why doesn't the Payne era receive more respect? Let's keep it simple:

John Wetton is one of the greatest rock vocalists EVER.

John Payne is a downright horrible vocalist, who I'm convinced was only brought on board in 1992 because he sounded like every other second-rate metal vocalist on MTV at the time. Believe me, I really wanted to like him because I loved the band and wanted them to stay active in the marketplace, but his performance on Aqua drove me away until Wetton returned. 

That's fine, I understand.
It's just my opinion that the Payne era is underrated, underappreciated. 


Posted By: Heart of the Matter
Date Posted: February 04 2022 at 12:51
Surely Aqua is not their best (rather far from it), but in Silent Nation I think they shine, and Payne's singing is part of it (no competitor for Wetton, anyway, but to whom fit that shoes?)


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 04 2022 at 12:54
Originally posted by Heart of the Matter Heart of the Matter wrote:

Surely Aqua is not their best (rather far from it), but in Silent Nation I think they shine, and Payne's singing is part of it (no competitor for Wetton, anyway, but who can fit that shoes?)

I agree, Silent nation was such a good album, getting good reviews, I was surprised, if not a bit shocked Downes dissolved that line up out of the blue. 


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 06 2022 at 03:22
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Heart of the Matter Heart of the Matter wrote:

Surely Aqua is not their best (rather far from it), but in Silent Nation I think they shine, and Payne's singing is part of it (no competitor for Wetton, anyway, but who can fit that shoes?)

I agree, Silent nation was such a good album, getting good reviews, I was surprised, if not a bit shocked Downes dissolved that line up out of the blue. 

I'm not an expert but I guess he had a chance to get the original line up together again and that was too big an opportunity to miss . I saw one of the reunion gigs at Shepherds Bush Empire in London and it was packed to the rafters. Would the Payne line up have delivered that?


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 06 2022 at 03:31
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Heart of the Matter Heart of the Matter wrote:

Surely Aqua is not their best (rather far from it), but in Silent Nation I think they shine, and Payne's singing is part of it (no competitor for Wetton, anyway, but who can fit that shoes?)

I agree, Silent nation was such a good album, getting good reviews, I was surprised, if not a bit shocked Downes dissolved that line up out of the blue. 

I'm not an expert but I guess he had a chance to get the original line up together again and that was too big an opportunity to miss . I saw one of the reunion gigs at Shepherds Bush Empire in London and it was packed to the rafters. Would the Payne line up have delivered that?

I don't know TBH, but that's not the issue here. It's not what he did (reunite with the old line up), it's how he did it. 


Posted By: altaeria
Date Posted: February 07 2022 at 12:57

Apparently, Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal, their singer since 2019, has decided to stop playing live shows due to covid concerns (or something like that).   

So this is why Marc Bonilla suddenly got involved.   

I always wondered why they never approached Robert Berry.   Granted, maybe they did at some point and it just wasn't a fit for all parties involved.    


Posted By: altaeria
Date Posted: February 07 2022 at 13:04
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I agree, Silent nation was such a good album, getting good reviews, I was surprised, if not a bit shocked Downes dissolved that line up out of the blue. 
I'm not an expert but I guess he had a chance to get the original line up together again and that was too big an opportunity to miss . I saw one of the reunion gigs at Shepherds Bush Empire in London and it was packed to the rafters. Would the Payne line up have delivered that?

Back during that SILENT NATION tour across the USA, Geoff Downes posted a public blog about those shows... and many venues were tiny little clubs with disappointing attendance.   I remember he blatantly commented that he "needs to reassess the entire situation after the tour".   It all sounded quite bleak at the time.      




Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: February 07 2022 at 13:36
Originally posted by altaeria altaeria wrote:

Back during that SILENT NATION tour across the USA, Geoff Downes posted a public blog about those shows... and many venues were tiny little clubs with disappointing attendance.   I remember he blatantly commented that he "needs to reassess the entire situation after the tour".   It all sounded quite bleak at the time.     

I remember catching them on the Aura tour back in 2000 and was told by a member of their crew that the situation was the same... I think the only time they got to play in front of a decent audiences was when they supported Kansas in Germany (I saw them in Hamburg)...


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 07 2022 at 13:46
Originally posted by altaeria altaeria wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I agree, Silent nation was such a good album, getting good reviews, I was surprised, if not a bit shocked Downes dissolved that line up out of the blue. 
I'm not an expert but I guess he had a chance to get the original line up together again and that was too big an opportunity to miss . I saw one of the reunion gigs at Shepherds Bush Empire in London and it was packed to the rafters. Would the Payne line up have delivered that?

Back during that SILENT NATION tour across the USA, Geoff Downes posted a public blog about those shows... and many venues were tiny little clubs with disappointing attendance.   I remember he blatantly commented that he "needs to reassess the entire situation after the tour".   It all sounded quite bleak at the time.      



You gotta learn to quote properly, mine is only the first sentence. 

Asia had a bigger audience in Europe and Japan. 
Did the original Asia reunited get a big audience in the US? I still have my doubts. 

Like I said, it's how he did that was shocking, one day he's in one line-up, the next he was with the other. The Payne line-up was in shock from what I read, especially John Payne, the whole thing was painful for him. 


Posted By: altaeria
Date Posted: February 07 2022 at 15:33
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

You gotta learn to quote properly, mine is only the first sentence. 

Asia had a bigger audience in Europe and Japan. 
Did the original Asia reunited get a big audience in the US? I still have my doubts. 

Like I said, it's how he did that was shocking, one day he's in one line-up, the next he was with the other. The Payne line-up was in shock from what I read, especially John Payne, the whole thing was painful for him. 


Ah, but it's like a Re-Tweet ...... Once you quote it, it becomes your problem too !   Ouch

And, yes, the Original Asia reunion shows did very well in the US.  
They didn't play huge arenas, but the tours were actually profitable.  

 




Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 07 2022 at 15:39
Originally posted by altaeria altaeria wrote:


Ah, but it's like a Re-Tweet ...... Once you quote it, it becomes your problem too !   Ouch

And, yes, the Original Asia reunion shows did very well in the US.  
They didn't play huge arenas, but the tours were actually profitable.  

 

no, it's not like are-tweet, you did not quote it right, you made a bad edit. 

I was talking about the bad break-up of the Payne line-up, you were talking about concerts and tours, two different things. I understand why Downes did it, I just found rather appalling how he did it. 


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 09 2022 at 04:48
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by altaeria altaeria wrote:


Ah, but it's like a Re-Tweet ...... Once you quote it, it becomes your problem too !   Ouch

And, yes, the Original Asia reunion shows did very well in the US.  
They didn't play huge arenas, but the tours were actually profitable.  

 

no, it's not like are-tweet, you did not quote it right, you made a bad edit. 

I was talking about the bad break-up of the Payne line-up, you were talking about concerts and tours, two different things. I understand why Downes did it, I just found rather appalling how he did it. 

Really?! Asia was never formed for artistic reasons or to achieve 'high art'. It was a commercial money making machine and not much else. The fact that Payne was upset when he never had anything to do with the original line up must mean he's quite a fragile character. Tagging along with other peoples creations can often lead to nowhere.

When Cozy Powell was unceremoniously dumped out of ELP to allow Palmer back in without any warning he can't have been happy either. The whole ELP/Yes/Asia axis through the 80's and beyond became very very much about money and not having any real reason to exist.

IMO



Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 09 2022 at 05:00
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by altaeria altaeria wrote:


Ah, but it's like a Re-Tweet ...... Once you quote it, it becomes your problem too !   Ouch

And, yes, the Original Asia reunion shows did very well in the US.  
They didn't play huge arenas, but the tours were actually profitable.  

 

no, it's not like are-tweet, you did not quote it right, you made a bad edit. 

I was talking about the bad break-up of the Payne line-up, you were talking about concerts and tours, two different things. I understand why Downes did it, I just found rather appalling how he did it. 

Really?! Asia was never formed for artistic reasons or to achieve 'high art'. It was a commercial money making machine and not much else. The fact that Payne was upset when he never had anything to do with the original line up must mean he's quite a fragile character. Tagging along with other peoples creations can often lead to nowhere.

When Cozy Powell was unceremoniously dumped out of ELP to allow Palmer back in without any warning he can't have been happy either. The whole ELP/Yes/Asia axis through the 80's and beyond became very very much about money and not having any real reason to exist.

IMO


He did not tag along. Payne was Downes partner for 15 years, they did 5 albums together. Downes sacked that line-up out of the blue. Maybe he did reunite the original Asia for money, I'm not judging, what was shocking, even for me as a listener of their music, was how easy he got rid of his partnership with John Payne, like it was nothing. 


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 11 2022 at 02:30
^ Well I'm not sure that 2 different versions of the band could possibly exist so I'm not sure what Downes could have done differently? I doubt it was 'nothing' and of course we have no idea of the relationship/music dynamic between the two of them. A band is not a family but if it was then the original members would be the blood relatives as I see it.


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 11 2022 at 02:47
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

^ Well I'm not sure that 2 different versions of the band could possibly exist

They have existed since the split happened. Payne has the right to play Asia's music, especially the songs he co-wrote. Asia featuring John Payne has released a few singles, an EP and an album. 

John Payne is also in a band called Dukes of the Orient. After the Asia split, he formed a project called GPS (Govan-Payne-Schellen plus help from Spock's Beard keybordist Ryo Okumoto), decent album, continued the sound of last Asia album back then, Silent Nation. 


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: February 11 2022 at 10:19
Is there really speculation as to why the original Asia line-up reunited, and Downes left Payne in the dust!?

MONEY. LOL


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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: February 11 2022 at 10:25
Originally posted by altaeria altaeria wrote:

Back during that SILENT NATION tour across the USA, Geoff Downes posted a public blog about those shows... and many venues were tiny little clubs with disappointing attendance.   I remember he blatantly commented that he "needs to reassess the entire situation after the tour".   It all sounded quite bleak at the time.

"Tiny little clubs"...and bookstores! I read Geoff & John played to handfuls of people in a few Barnes & Noble or Borders on the east coast. That couldn't have been a morale booster. LOL


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Posted By: Rottenprogger
Date Posted: March 11 2022 at 21:15
"Buy a book and get a free ticket to a riveting in-store performance by ASIA!" 

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