Progger or non-progger?
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Topic: Progger or non-progger?
Posted By: David_D
Subject: Progger or non-progger?
Date Posted: January 27 2022 at 08:19
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I'm just curious  "a progger" - mostly interested in prog (as you self define it) "a non-progger" - mostly interested in non-prog Please, try to vote using this definition of a progger, it's not about identity. And I hope, you'll enjoy it! Thank you very much everybody for voting and replying!!
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: January 27 2022 at 12:36
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refresh ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: January 27 2022 at 13:51
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progz ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 27 2022 at 13:53
| Although I listen to a lot of non prog stuff (maybe 50 percent or close to it) I'm still definitely a progger or prog head. |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: January 27 2022 at 15:24
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: January 27 2022 at 15:27
I listen to a lot of prog....Maybe a bit too much.... If there's such a thing!
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 27 2022 at 15:27
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I don't consider myself a progger, despite prog being the dominant music I listen to. I listen to all sorts of music, I see myself as music listener, music fan, call me a music nerd, i don't mind. People have called me a rocker, a metalhead, it's all good. So I voted here for the third option.
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: January 27 2022 at 15:42
| Jazz and fusion are my most listened to genres, and I don't classify fusion or jazz as prog - so non-progger. |
Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: January 27 2022 at 15:45
| I'm not a progger, but prog is among the music genres that I listen to most. The 3rd option. |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: January 27 2022 at 16:13
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I'm a progger, but I'm also a Jazz and Soul Man with a dash of psychedelic color thrown in too. |
Posted By: Necrotica
Date Posted: January 27 2022 at 16:56
I'm pretty much in the same boat. I don't really classify as a progger, metalhead, etc. because I try to absorb music of several different genres. So at the end of the day... yeah, just a dedicated music fan (and musician). ------------- Take me down, to the underground Won't you take me down, to the underground Why oh why, there is no light And if I can't sleep, can you hold my life https://www.youtube.com/@CocoonMasterBrendan-wh3sd |
Cristi wrote:Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: January 27 2022 at 17:19
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I listen to about 80% prog, but I also like folk (mainly folk rock or Celtic folk, often electric - think Runrig or Oysterband, but also some traditional folk and more modern bands like Bellowhead and Show of Hands). So definitely a progger. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: January 27 2022 at 17:21
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I’m probably half & half. Can’t really say. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Jaketejas
Date Posted: January 27 2022 at 17:23
| Is this regarding the ordering of more Prog dweeb cards? If so, I’ll take one! |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: January 27 2022 at 17:24
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Prog stole my heart many years ago, even I still like, listen to and in different ways am interested in quite a lot of non-Prog. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: January 27 2022 at 17:25
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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: January 27 2022 at 17:37
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So now we get a voice... I said progger due to that genre being high on my go to listen list. I didn't think "I can't really say' was appropriate because I can say. But over all I just like GOOD music. Sometimes it's pop sometimes it rock sometimes it's jazz sometimes it's prog. Ok, a lot of times it's prog. ------------- Thank you for supporting independently produced music |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: January 27 2022 at 17:53
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I listen to too much music from a large swathe of genres to be considered just a "progger".
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 27 2022 at 18:44
| I only chose progger because prog is my favorite not because it's the only thing I listen to (which it certainly is not). |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: January 27 2022 at 19:33
| Though I'm really into prog, I'm also into classical, jazz, world music, etc. so certainly, I can't really say. |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: January 27 2022 at 21:14
I love prog but it is a narrow view--there is a lot of it I really don't like. I love jazz both instrumental and vocal--Jobim and other Brazilian jazz--and some classic rock--David Crosby---and female composer singers like Joni Mitchell. But I also will listen to Beck and Linkin Park.
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Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: January 27 2022 at 22:17
That's me as well.
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Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: January 27 2022 at 23:21
| Does this have anything to do with Frogger? |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: January 28 2022 at 00:02
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All in all I'd say I listen to bands and artists represented in these archives about 30% of the time. More than half of those 30% is spent on music no one in the real world would assosiate with prog (Mwandishi, Can, Electric Miles, Kraftwerk, Pearls Before Swine, Terje Rypdal...). Not a progger - not a non-progger either. |
Posted By: Hiram
Date Posted: January 28 2022 at 00:59
| A progger. Mostly interested in prog, especially if you include proto and related stuff as defined on this website. |
Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: January 28 2022 at 06:20
| a progger for sure, but aswell I listen to other genres from time to time, but prog as a whole is my thing |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: January 28 2022 at 10:19
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On balance I am a progger. Prog was the first music I discovered for myself, and it still accounts for much of my listening pleasure. Like many others, though, my musical taste knows few boundaries. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 28 2022 at 10:36
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Progger I guess. I like mostly prog. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: January 28 2022 at 10:45
| I can't really say... over the past 15 years, I have listened to a great of Classical and switch between the two, like I have some sort of split personality... but if I listen to non-Classical, then it tends to be Prog or Prog-related rock or metal... |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 28 2022 at 10:57
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While I would not call myself a progger, to answer the kind of question of "Are you mostly into music you consider to be Prog?" then the answer probably would be no. I listen to a lot of music that I loosely consider to be under a prog umbrella and as prog related but don't consider to be prog-as-genre-proper. Even with the music I listen to in PA Prog categories, a great amount of it many don't consider to be truly Prog -- I might be more ambivalent on that matter. I think of Prog as lacking clear boundaries anyway, and am not that interested in classifying music I like as Prog or not these days (I have thought mostly about Prog classifications when it has come to work I have done here, and even then it was more about thinking about the particular categories PA utilises). I do still listen to a lot of music included in PA's Prog categories, as well as a lot that isn't on PA at all. Most is Prog related by my standards and an awful lot of it could be considered progressive if not really Prog (genre). I'll vote non-Progger per the OP. |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: January 28 2022 at 11:12
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Half the time non prog , half the time prog rock ...so went with option 3.....can't say for certain. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: January 28 2022 at 11:26
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About 3/4 of my collection in my very broad definition of prog that includes lots of jazz & avant garde. Went with option 3 as its probably 50:50 when I think about what I listen to regularly. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: January 28 2022 at 11:34
"Progger" always reminds me of Frogger. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: January 28 2022 at 20:26
| Progger, of course. I do enjoy more music, though. |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: January 28 2022 at 20:47
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i'm a progger when i listen to prog and a non-progger when i don't i'm a metal head when i listen to metal and a non metal head when i don't i'm a hip hopper when i listen to hip hop and a non hip hopper when i don't i trust you catch my drift -------------  https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: January 28 2022 at 22:35
I bet I know what you are if you listen to Country
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Posted By: PhideauxFan
Date Posted: January 29 2022 at 00:44
| I can't really say. Because I listen to progressive music, but also to post/alternative rock/metal, hard-rock/heavy-metal, classic rock, electro music and some other styles. |
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: January 29 2022 at 12:27
I'm maybe 65% prog, 20% folk (mostly Celtic) and 15% pop and rock Love Oysterband and Runrig. Do you know The Men they Couldn't Hang? so I vote progger
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Posted By: Machinemessiah
Date Posted: January 29 2022 at 15:31
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A progger definitely.. (played Frogger too!
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: January 30 2022 at 06:12
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progger, but I also listen to blues, country, southern rock, classical, concrete... More than progger I'd call myself a non-pop ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: January 30 2022 at 06:54
| I put non-progger because on balance I listen to more non-prog than prog music, although prog would probably be my most listened to genre but I would guess at around 30-40% of my listening. |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: January 30 2022 at 10:09
A progger primarily because I don't get sick of it. Most other genres wear thin for me pretty fast.  ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: Sacro_Porgo
Date Posted: January 30 2022 at 12:49
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I can't really say I'm either one, it's probably pretty close to half and half. I do love my prog, but I have a lot of love for a lot of other things as well. ------------- Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :) |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: January 30 2022 at 14:59
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Thank you very much for all your answers, as they tell much more than the poll result alone.
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: January 30 2022 at 15:24
Do ya now? If you think i'm a country-er than you are wrong! In that case i'd be a renegade yeehaw! Hehe Don't listen to a lot of country but there are a few songs here and there. I do however like some alt country, rockabilly, gospel and other traditional styles (bluegrass, honky tonk, Appalachian folk) Modern pop country though is one particular style of music that induces my gag reflexes ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: January 30 2022 at 18:46
| Went with I can't really say. I go through period where I will listen to mostly prog but then through stretches of other types. |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: January 30 2022 at 23:26
All phonetic joking aside, I'm quite partial to some Johnny Cash, Hank Williams and George Jones when all that fancy learnin' starts looking like running all over hell's half acre y'all. Does 'Modern Pop Country' include the execrable 'Bro Country?'
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: January 31 2022 at 09:19
Generally speaking i dislike country after the early 1980s. I have to admit there are some pop country crossover hits from the 70s and 80s that are fun. I have no idea what bro country is!!! The only modern country i like would be considered alt country. Artists like 16 Horsepower, Lucinda Williams, The Jayhawks, Son Volt, Neko Case, Steve Earle, Woven Hand, Gillian Welch, etc. A few others like Dwight Yoakam and Iris DeMent work for me too otherwise it's classic country from the early 80s and before that works for me but it's hardly a style of music i listen to on a regular basis. ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: Jaketejas
Date Posted: January 31 2022 at 18:16
Lucinda Williams is great! I would also add Uncle Tupelo, Blue Mountain, Dire Straits, and Junior Brown. |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: February 04 2022 at 01:28
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Would anybody else like to tell about what they're most into? ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: February 04 2022 at 05:00
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I voted "progger" because most of the music I listen to is prog, and most of the remainder is at least a little bit proggy in some sense. On the other hand, most prog doesn't actually appeal to me, and prog clichés tend to be viewed negatively by me. In other words, I seek something unusual and special in the music I listen to, and generally don't know what I'm looking for until I've found it. ------------- No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man. |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: February 04 2022 at 05:21
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I listen to classical, dub, punk, post punk, psychedelia, indie, eastern european and middle eastern/north african folk, jazz, blues, reggae, pop, heavy rock, afrobeat, some hip hop/drill/trap (the list goers on) Prog represents about 40% of my input. -------------
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: February 04 2022 at 05:43
interesting comment, Prophesy ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: February 04 2022 at 07:58
In recent times, I've been purchasing music from Bandcamp, more or less abandoning the brick and mortar music store that I would buy my music from in the past. This shift has also been a shift away from physical media, though I still may purchase the CD if available in addition to the digital download (that is, I'm becoming less concerned if the CD is not available). In the past, I tended to allow music to come to me rather than actively seek music. But now I tend to listen to a sampling of what's available on Bandcamp with the view of possibly purchasing new music that in the past I would never be exposed to. But this newfound desire for more music has highlighted that I don't actually know what music I'm seeking. I can't sample every album listed in Bandcamp, not even every progressive rock album listed, so I have to use clues supplied by the artist name, album name, or the album cover art to provide a shortlist. Even if this can provide an indication of the type of music, it doesn't help if one doesn't know what type of music one is looking for. I actually discovered Nolan Potter's Nightmare Band because the name Nolan Potter reminded me of Nic Potter from Van der Graaf Generator. I wasn't expecting any connection, but it did provide a selection basis that was more interesting than random. Yesterday I discovered the self-titled album by French band Arachnoid, released in 1979. Here's the cover:  Remind you of anything? The point is that if one doesn't know what to look for, then allowing something peripheral to the music to grab one's attention might actually be a good way to choose, particularly if one is looking for something different and interesting. ------------- No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man. |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: February 04 2022 at 12:57
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I'm familiar with this album, Prophesy, as it's one of the French Prog albums which are quite highly rated. And yes, the cover art reminds me of a spider but that might be partly due to that I associate the title with a spider. I certainly understand your present problem, and can say that I in my very young days often bought music if I liked the cover, and often with good result. In the last quite a lot of years, I've searched for new-to-me-music by means of lists with high rated albums - but that presumed searching by specific genres. So, all I can say is that there are many different possibilities for finding new music, and one must think about it and find own way which gives good result. Anyway, good luck with it, and I must say, I'm impressed with the very good quality of your writing. By the way, if that could have your interest as a possible help, I could send you the list of my collection which is written in Word (about 450 albums). I can at least say that it's to high degree a list of old and newer classics and high rated albums from many countries and covering many different genres, Prog being though the main one. If so, send me a private message.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: February 04 2022 at 16:08
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refresh ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 04 2022 at 16:11
what are you refreshing here?
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: February 05 2022 at 01:31
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Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: February 05 2022 at 09:51
 ------------- No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man. |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: February 05 2022 at 10:02
Ookaay, I'm not that familiar with GG's covers.
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Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: February 05 2022 at 12:24
A few years ago, I got the self-titled album by Helium Horse Fly because of the cover:  The striking nature of the cover art suggests music that is quite bleak, and bleak it is. It's about what the artwork is saying rather than how visually appealing it is. I tend to avoid albums with artwork that says "metal music" or "folky symphonic prog", even if the artwork itself is quite impressive.
I've gotten quite a few albums because they are highly rated or mentioned quite a lot on PA. For example, at the time I discovered Änglagård - Hybris, it was the 12th album in the all-time top 100 list. They were the highest rated artist that I'd never heard of, and I felt the need to rectify that. And I got Wobbler - From Silence to Somewhere because it made it to very high in the top 100 list shortly after its release.
I've found music by a wide variety of means. For example, I found Kingston Wall - III Tri-Logy because I was looking for a particular version of the song "The Real Thing", and came across Kingston Wall's track of the same name, which was not what I was looking for, but a find nevertheless.
Thank you.
Thanks for the offer, but no. One reason I'm searching Bandcamp is that if I find something I like, I know a high-quality copy is available to be purchased, whereas if I find music elsewhere, there is no guarantee that it will be available to me. Over the past few years, I've been finding it increasingly difficult to get the music I want. Bandcamp is great for music that is there, but a lot of albums are not on Bandcamp, and even artists that are on Bandcamp do not necessarily have all their albums there. Also, finding music to listen to is easy. There really is an abundance of music on the internet. The hard part is selecting the very small amount of music to listen to from all the other music that is to be dismissed without trial. What is the basis for the selection? ------------- No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man. |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: February 05 2022 at 14:05
I've never been able to analyse the artwork as good as you do it here, but it has often been like that if I liked the cover there was a good possibility for that I liked the music. More comments follow.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: February 05 2022 at 14:14
I've experienced that my musical taste is quite in line with the by many high rated albums but I guess that can be rather different from one person to another, so one have to see how it is for oneself. And then there is this question if one is impressed with high rated albums/newer and older classics, or if one is more happy with more or less obscure music.
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Posted By: Zeph
Date Posted: February 05 2022 at 14:17
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Most certainly a progger. Not exclusively, but most of my music at least can be tied in that direction. Prog rock has become such a huge umbrella that being a progger can mean you listen to a huge variety of genres. I like that I also find a lot of good music in here that is not prog. |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: February 05 2022 at 14:42
Yes, many things like that can happen, and that is one of the wonders and beauties of life and very good to remember.  I can actually tell you that it has been difficult for me to find new-to-me music for some years now, so it has become an rather exiting question how it will happen the next time. And right now I'm virtually stuck and even don't really feel like bother to try to find something. But what I right now then do, is just to listen to all my collection, and I'm really happy with it; because I've always somehow been stressed with my new purchases, so I felt like that I should hurry up with listening to the old ones, so I could listen to the new ones. But I don't have to do that now, so I can listen to all my "precious" albums with good peace on my mind. And then I wonder what will happen next  - which is exiting.------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: February 05 2022 at 14:59
I can tell that two of the albums I remember, I've got that way is Tubular Bells and Birds of Fire, and I knew nothing of Oldfield and Mahavishnu at that time, which was mid-70's. - And I've been very fond of these two albums more or less ever since (except from the 80's though). Actually, I'm fascinated by that artwork can so well express music, so it can be a bit like hear the music when seeing the artwork. What do you say?
 - But then, I have the impression that this ability of artwork was much better in the 70's than it has been in the last many years.------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: February 05 2022 at 16:03
Well, one possibility as mentioned is that which has been highly rated by many others. Anyway, good luck again.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: February 06 2022 at 02:06
It's okay now to get a bit out off topic while waiting for more votes. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: February 08 2022 at 06:03
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thanks refreshment ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 08 2022 at 06:06
bumping your thread after just 2 days?
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: February 08 2022 at 06:12
special thanks to you then, Cristi
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 08 2022 at 06:12
wait, why?
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: February 09 2022 at 08:32
I refreshed the thread mainly with the purpose to thank the participiants - I wrote thanks both in the title and my OP. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: The Anders
Date Posted: February 09 2022 at 12:22
| I had to go with "Can't really say". I'm interested in many different kinds of music, and I wouldn't try to choose one above the others. |
Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: July 10 2022 at 01:33
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progger ------------- Friedrich Nietzsche: "Without music, life would be a mistake." Music Is Live Two people are better off than one, for they can help each other succeed. Keep Calm And Listen To The Music… < |