Your Top 10 Favourite Prog Albums of 1997
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Topic: Your Top 10 Favourite Prog Albums of 1997
Posted By: Mirakaze
Subject: Your Top 10 Favourite Prog Albums of 1997
Date Posted: November 20 2021 at 00:47
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My only memory of the year 1997 is of me driving my tricycle into a lake. Luckily my dad pulled me out of the water in time, or else I wouldn't have been able to enjoy all the undoubtedly wonderful prog albums of 1998! 1. Mats/Morgan - The Music Or The Money... 2. David Bowie - Earthling 3. Squarepusher - Hard Normal Daddy 4. Tipographica - Floating Opera 5. Volaré - The Uncertainty Principle 6. Björk - Homogenic 7. Harpy - Do Not Eat 8. Happy Family - Toscco 9. Brand X - Manifest Destiny 10. Koenjihyakkei - Viva Koenji! ------------- https://mirasnelder.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow - Freelance composer, accepting commissions | https://mirasnelder.bandcamp.com/album/altered-acuity" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp page |
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Posted By: Necrotica
Date Posted: November 20 2021 at 01:19
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Haven't participated in many of these, so it's time to make up for that now  2. Bjork - Homogenic 3. Radiohead - OK Computer 4. Arcturus - La Masquerade Infernale 5. Devin Townsend - Ocean Machine: Biomech 6. Dream Theater - Falling Into Infinity (One of DT's most underrated albums in my opinion) 7. Spastic Ink - Ink Complete 8. IQ - Subterranea 9. Sigur Ros - Von 10. Sadist - Crust (extremely underrated technical/progressive death metal, although I prefer their Tribe album)
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: November 20 2021 at 01:44
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1997, a good year, maybe the best so far since the 70's 13 Höyry-Kone Huono Partur i Fin 12 Lindh Project, Pär Mundus Incompertus Swe 12 Phish Slip, Stitch, and Pass USA 11 'O'rang Herd of Instinct Eng 11 Anekdoten Live EP Swe 11 Happy
Family Toscco Jpn 11 Godspeed You Black Emperor! F♯A♯∞ Can 11 More Experience From Acid Dreams Pol 11 Radiohead OK Computer 11 Smell
of Incense - Through the Gates of
Deeper Slumber Nor 11 Sinkadus Aurum Nostrum Swe 11 Tangle Edge Tarka Nor 11 Volare The Uncertainty Principle USA 11 Wizards of Ooze Bambee Bel 11 Wyatt, Robert Shleep Eng 11 Yes Keys to Acsension 2 Eng Bubbling under: 10 Aka Moon Ganesh Bel 10 Aum Aum Bel 10 Dagmähr My Magnificent Instability Can 10 Discipline - Unfolded Like Staircase USA 10 Djam Karet The Devouring USA 10 Lowercase Kill the Lights USA 10 Mogwai Young Team Sco 10 Narajama V Tom Vine Je Nalhano Cze 10 Orange Blossom Orange Blossom Fra 10 Portishead Portishead Eng 1997 10 X-Legged Sally / The Smith Quartet Bereft of a Blissful Union 10 Zorn, John / Masada Het (Eight) USA 09 Blast Stringy Rugs Net 09 Krutzen, Henry Iceland Bel 09 Louise Attaque Louise Attaque Fra 09 Niacin Niacin USA 09 Stern, Mike Give and Take USA 09 Thule Graks Norw 09 Tuatara Breaking the Ethers USA ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 20 2021 at 02:17
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Marillion - This Strange Engine Fates Warning - A Pleasant Shade of Gray Threshold - Extinct Instinct Pain of Salvation - Entropia Sieges Even - Uneven Dream Theater - Falling Into Infinity IQ - Subterranea In The Woods - Omnio The Night Watch - Twilight Ivanhoe - Polarized |
Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: November 20 2021 at 02:25
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Stardust We Are - The Flower Kings MIND Volume 1 - Isildurs Bane Subterranea - IQ Shleep - Robert Wyatt Black Light Syndrome - Bozzio, Levin & Stevens Paradox - Royal Hunt Bílé Inferno - Iva Bittová & Vladimír Václavek Doppler 444 - Mongol Unfolded Like Staircase - Discipline Homogenic - Björk |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 20 2021 at 02:36
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Par Lindh Project - Mundus Incompertus Mansun - Attack of The Grey Lantern Godspeed You! Black Emperor - F#A#Radiohead - OK Computer IQ - Subterranea Enchant - Time Lost Steve Hackett - A Midsummer Night's Dream Marillion - This Stange Engine Tangerine Dream - Tournado The Verve - Urban Hymns |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 20 2021 at 02:58
^ nice to see Enchant in your list, I forgot about them. 
I just remembered Devin Townsend released Ocean Machine in 1997, that's an excellent album (IMO).
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: November 20 2021 at 04:03
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Not very familiar with the period, but 1997 has seen the best prog album outside the classic era: Discipline - Unfolded Like Staircase Another album worth mentioning is Ok Computer. ------------- 
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: November 20 2021 at 06:01
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1. Mike Keneally & Beer for Dolphins - Sluggo! 2. Pat Metheny Group - Imaginary Day 3. Discipline - Unfolded Like Staircase 4. Dream Theater - Falling into Infinity 5. Pain of Salvation - Entropia 6. Fates Warning - A Pleasant Shade of Gray 7. Radiohead - OK Computer 8. Spastic Ink - Ink Complete 9. Bill Bruford Earthworks - Heavenly Bodies 10. Symphony X - The Divine Wings of Tragedy
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Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: November 20 2021 at 06:26
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1997 1. STEREOLAB Dots and Loops 2. ALAIN ESKANAZI/BRAINSCAPES Chakradancer 3. PÄR LINDH PROJECT Mundus Incompertus 4. HÖYRY-KONE Huono Parturi 5. DISCIPLINE Unfolded Like Staircase 6. PAT METHENY Imaginary Day7. BJÖRK Homogenic 8. AFTER CRYING 6 9. VOLARÉ Uncertainty Principle 10. RADIOHEAD OK Computer 11. THE FLOWER KINGS Stardust We Are 12. THE GATHERING Nighttime Birds 13. ART ZOYD Häxan 14. IN THE WOODS Omnio 15. FATES WARNING A Pleasant Shade of Gray 16. SINKADUS Aurum Nostrum 17. ROBERT WYATT Shleep 18. DJAM KARET The Devouring 19. DAVID CROSS Exiles 20. SYMPHONY X The Divine Wings of Tragedy Honorable Mentions: BONDAGE FRUIT III - Récit ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 20 2021 at 07:27
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A fabulous year for music and the most interesting, exciting, varied and enjoyable decade for my life. Even in the 90s I used to think that I wished that the decade (or certain years especially) could last forever for me. This list of ten is arranged alphabetically by artist. I did include two not in PA (Stereolab and Portishead) -- I don't think those out of place in this list considering music by Björk and Radiohead. Art Zoyd - Häxan Björk - Homogenic Godspeed You Black Emperor! - F♯A♯∞ Ground Zero - Plays Standards Höyry-Kone - Huono Parturi Portishead - Portishead* Radiohead - OK Computer Stereolab - Dots and Loops* Tipographica - Floating Opera Wyatt, Robert - Shleep |
Posted By: Progmind
Date Posted: November 20 2021 at 07:55
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My favs are in no particular order Bjork - Homogenic Volaré - The Uncertain Principle GYBE! - F♯A♯∞ The Gathering - Nightime Birds In The Woods... - Omnio Radiohead - Ok Computer Bark Psychosis - Game Over The Night Wacht - Twilight Timothy Pure - The Blood Of The Berry Sinkadus - Aurum Nostrum honorable mentions Discipline - Unfold Like Staircase Fates Warning - A Pleasant Shade Of Grey Hoyre-Kône - Huono Parturi Fruitcake - One More Slice Voivod -Phobos Porcupine Tree - Coma Divine Crucible - Tall Tales
Art Zoyd - Haxan |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 20 2021 at 08:04
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Radiohead - OK Computer Koenji Hyakkei - Viva Koenji! Volapuk - Slang! 5UU's - Crisis In Clay Höyry-Kone - Huono Parturi Vezhlivy Otkaz - Kosa na Kamen Djam Karet - The Devouring Idiot Flesh - Fancy Happy Family - Toscco Ozric Tentacles - Curious Corn
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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: November 20 2021 at 16:39
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1. 5uu's - Crisis in Clay 2. Discipline - Unfolded Like Staircase 3. The Flower Kings - Stardust We Are 4. Koenjihyakkei - Viva Koenji!! 5. Citizen Cain - Raising the Stones 6. Cliffhanger - Not to Be or Not to Be? 7. Leger de Main - Second First Impression 8. Bi Kyo Ran - Kyobo Na Ongaku (A Violent Music) 9. Doracor - The Long Pathway 10. The Night Watch - Twilight Honorable mentions: Poppsykosen - Sig du vil ha’ mig After Crying - 6 Crucible - Tall Tales Big Big Train - English Boy Wonders Lizard - W Galerii Czasu Fish - Sunsets on Empire IQ - Subterranea Robert Wyatt - Shleep Clepsydra - Fears Djam Karet - The Devouring ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: November 20 2021 at 17:37
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Holger Czukay vs. Dr. Walker - Clash Art Zoyd - Häxan Can - Sacrilege Kong - Earmined Radiohead - OK Computer Godspeed You Black Emperor! - F♯A♯∞ .O.rang - Fields and Waves Björk- Homogenic Mogwai - Young Team Robert Wyatt - Shleep
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: November 20 2021 at 21:14
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In no particular order Art Zoyd- Haxan The Smell Of Incense- Through The Gates Of Deeper Slumber Fig Leaf- The Humble Poet Sinkadus- Aurum Nostrum Arcana- Arc Of The Testimony In The Woods...- Omnio GYBE!- F#A# The Gathering- Nighttime Birds Twin Age- Lialim High Tangle Edge- Tarka ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 22 2021 at 01:37
| I'm not sure if I'm the only one who remembers Mansun or whether I'm the only one who rates them? Admittedly their next album Six was their best and I hope to see that on a few lists and not just mine when we get to 1999! |
Posted By: essexboyinwales
Date Posted: November 22 2021 at 06:14
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IQ - Subby Marillion - TSE Mansun - AOTGY Prodigy - FOTL Symphony X - DWOT DT - FII (although not one of their best) Radiohead - OK C
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 22 2021 at 07:39
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Radiohead - OK Computer , a Prog album??, I'd like to see that Prog definition which include it. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 22 2021 at 07:43
http://www.progarchives.com/subgenre.asp?style=3" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/subgenre.asp?style=3  |
David_D wrote:Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 22 2021 at 07:51
Yes, actually, I've seen it before. I don't think I'll comment it here, but in my Prog world, OK Computer is Art-Rock, which is something else than Progressive Rock.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 22 2021 at 08:29
This Crossover Prog definition states: "...influence from mainstream music in addition to classical, jazz and folk" Is that present in OK Computer? ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 22 2021 at 08:47
They've been quoted as it being influenced by Miles Davis, Ennio Morricone and CAN so yes. It's been widely described as a prog album just not in the style of the classic 70s bands. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: November 22 2021 at 09:06
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^ Prog any music that moves music into new directions. ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 22 2021 at 10:19
You seem to have understood that out of context, and I wouldn't say that is the most relevant part of the article at all. I do think one should be very careful when selectively quoting. A key word you left out is "or". As it says there, "... whether it be the lack of emphasis on extended compositions, or an influence from mainstream music in addition to classical, jazz and folk." Another key phrase is in "addition to". Buy I would say that Radiohead has been influenced by classical, jazz, and folk music. The site's Crossover prog definition also says: "The defining characteristics of Crossover Prog are a pop music influence that is largely vacant in typical prog rock. Songs tend toward shorter, more concise presentations though still reach beyond the typical verse, bridge, chorus pattern. The harmonic, melodic, and rhythmic structures may be more easily digested in Crossover while not losing the musical integrity that a prog listener expects. Whereas Prog Related bands are generally commercial groups with certain prog elements or players that were involved in prog acts, Crossover Prog artists are predominantly progressive with elements of popular music. The most representative examples for this genre include The MOODY BLUES, SUPERTRAMP, DREDG, CINEMA SHOW, RADIOHEAD." So Radiohead is directly cited as an example. You don't have to agree with it being Prog or progressive rock with a small p, or even with it being under the progressive rock umbrella. It has been a forum expectation that music is treated as Prog when it is included in a Prog category. By the way, you mention it being Art Rock, Prog Archives used to have an Art Rock category. The Crossover Prog and Eclectic Prog categories were created later and split largely from Art Rock. A lot of music in PA I consider to be on the Art Rock side, and Art Rock and Progressive Rock surely overlap for me. Radiohead can also be called Alternative Rock. Radiohead has been considered to be part of the Nu-Prog /New Prog /Alt. Prog / Alternative Prog family. See this: http://dictionary.sensagent.com/New%20prog/en-en/" rel="nofollow - http://dictionary.sensagent.com/New%20prog/en-en/ To me Radiohead falls under the progressive rock umbrella which includes much experimental music and unconventional rock and rock-based music. A short-hand version of Prog I have used is Rock or rock-based music that does not follow certain standard rock conventions. I have no issue with you not finding Radiohead Prog, but I do find it strange coming in here seeming surprised that others would mention it. Note the presence of Bjork, Stereolab and others. Heck I mentioned Portishead. Some of us are being more liberal in your lists than others. I have a wide prog related umbrella (and am considering more than what I consider prog proper and more than is included in PA, such as the Prog and Prog Related categories). What are your top ten from the year? |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 22 2021 at 10:43
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 22 2021 at 12:05
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Yes, Logan, I've misunderstood partly the Crossover Prog definition. What I quoted was much on basis of other part of the definition, namely: "the fusing of rock with the structures and discipline of more traditional musics". I might have a closer look at this definition, and comment it in my blog "How to define and classify Progressive Rock?".
And yes, I was very suprised to see OK Computer mentioned by so many as a Prog album, and my reaction was very spontanious. I'm sorry that it showed lack of understanding for what others might find as Prog (I don't dinstinguish between "prog" and "Prog", for me there's only Prog). I'm sorry, too, that these mistakes of mine disturbed you. What is left, as you've pointed it, too, are some differences regarding what should be considered as Prog. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 22 2021 at 13:43
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If this site (and community generally) had taken a very narrow and traditionalist view of what can be Prog, then I think I might have lost interest in it very quickly. What is Prog, the differences and overlap between progressive rock (where progressive is an adjective), Prog (noun, genre) and progressive music have been debated time and time again. There are many differences when it comes to perception and I do think that is important to appreciate and to avoid being overly dogmatic and closed-minded about it. I'm not that interested in what is Prog, its limits anymore, except when it comes to certain site work. And prog can mean different things to me depending on context and time. I guess most everyone think of Prog a little differently, but a lot of us also think of it in terms of how PA classifies things (I would argue that PA adding a band doesn't make it Prog, but it can change one's perception about the band is and we can treat it differently according to site rules). I do have issues with the PA definitions, by the way, mostly that 100 percent progressive thing. I have suggesting changing that before. The Prog label has been an interesting one for me as there is such a breadth of music often considered to be under the Prog umbrella, and it lacks clear boundaries/ is amorphous. Prog rather by definition doesn't fit tidy boxes. It can be seen as a progression from rock music (breaking established conventions of rock), non-generic, non-rock canonical, and it can bring any style of music into it. It's so diverse. Some Prog is more progressive in this sense than others, and Prog is a rather nebulous label often. The word progressive is important to me in Progressive Rock, and I rather think that Prog should ever be expanding, changing and morphing as well as our understanding of it. I did look at early progressive rock (and Prog proper) as changing the lexicon of rock, subverting genre expectations, trying different things, playing with form, fusing with other styles, being experimental. It was ageneric music in a sense, and so limiting our lexicon to narrow genre definitions often doesn't fit my thinking well. I wouldn't say I was disturbed, more curious. I wasn't sure what your motivations were, why you singled out Radiohead from many perhaps questionable ones, why you seemed surprised (enough to use a double question mark) and I would have liked to see your own list more than questioning an addition by some other people (including me). Of course you can question. It can help if one puts forth one's argument/ reasoning at the same time. That way can help to avoid potential negativity, or avoid others perceiving something negatively, and is more likely to achieve some form of consensus methinks. I like it best when discussions lead to a synthesis of ideas. I don't really care much if this Prog or not, I just love it (fine if you don't enjoy OK Computer): |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 22 2021 at 14:13
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I haven't read your last post, yet Logan, only the last sentence of it, and: I like pretty much OK Computer, or at least most of the songs on this album - it's not about that. And by the way, I have only one favourite Prog album from 1997, which is Porcupine Tree - Coma Divine.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 22 2021 at 15:15
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Today, I'm much more concerned with that the understandig of what Prog is can be so including that Progressive Rock becomes difficult to distinguish from mainstream Rock - and that would be a pity for us, Prog lovers.
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 22 2021 at 15:23
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Personally I think if mainstream rock can stretch in experimental and diverse styles enough to be discussed in prog references it's a good thing. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: November 22 2021 at 16:22
I don't quite get the idea that this would somehow be bad for prog. I don't think musicians are much concerned about definitions, at least the interesting ones. So I don't think having an inclusive definition will hurt the music, and if it doesn't, and don't see what bad effect it could have at all?
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 22 2021 at 22:53
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Mirakaze, sorry if you find this discussion being too much off your topic. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 22 2021 at 23:29
I agree on that. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 22 2021 at 23:40
Well, here, I'm not thinking about musicians but about Prog aficionados, or even more just about plain music fans. Prog can only be something distinctive from mainstream Rock, if it's really considered so, otherwise, I'm afraid it will drown in mainstream - like it can be difficult to distinguish between light grey and white. Edit: What I mean, is for instance, if you say to plain music fans about OK Computer "this is Progressive Rock", will they understand what you mean, will they be able to see it as something different from mainstream Rock? And talking about OK Computer and mainstream, I can tell that this album is today on RYM's Rock chart as #1 all-time on basis of 71,279 ratings. - So, Logan, I think I know now why I focused so much on OK Computer, and not any other album mentioned in this thread. Further, I haven't been looking at it more specifically, but I wonder how RYM's top 100 "Prog" chart all-time would look if you made it on basis of the same criterias which include OK Computer. How many of the traditional Prog albums would be on it?
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 23 2021 at 00:15
Besides that, I can tell that OK Computer is one of my 1997 favourites, another one is Primal Scream's Vanishing Point  - and I have only three alltogether. - What do you say to that, Shadowyzzard?
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 23 2021 at 01:06
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^^ Radiohead's OK Computer is number one at RYM all music/all years top albums chart with 71,279 ratings and a 4.23 rating. Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here is at number two with a 4.29 rating and 49,314 ratings. At number three is King Crimson's In the Court of the Crimson King at 4.30 and 45,496 ratings. |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 23 2021 at 01:53
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But what do I know, maybe I'm just an old school Prog rocker - right Nogbad? ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 23 2021 at 03:23
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Barclay James Harvest - River of Dreams England - The Last of the Jubblies The Enid - White Goddess Fleetwood Mac - The Dance Annie Haslam - Live in PhiladelphiaIona - Heaven's Bright Sun IQ - Subterranea Peter Bardens' Mirage - Live Rick Wakeman - Tribute to the Beatles YES - Keys to Ascension 2
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Posted By: essexboyinwales
Date Posted: November 23 2021 at 05:14
Interesting discussion about Radiohead, but do remember that in these threads many have been posting non-prog albums due to a percieved lack of decent prog albums to list!
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 23 2021 at 05:40
true, thanks for pointing this out.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 23 2021 at 06:48
thank you! ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 23 2021 at 06:49
I certainly think that music has gotten blurred across genres a lot in the last couple of decades. Maybe its me but Rock, Jazz, Blues, Punk, Metal were pretty clearly defined without much crossover. Nowadays it seems a lot of different influences crossing over. Personally I love it, particularly in jazz.
This is certainly true, though '97 seems to be one of the years where I'm getting back to having enough 'prog' albums available to pick. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 23 2021 at 07:01
I agree on that, what I made a hint to was
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 23 2021 at 08:04
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Indeed we are ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 23 2021 at 09:30
Your "an old school British headbanger" helped me with putting some good words on what I already well knew was my very dominant Prog taste. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Steve Wyzard
Date Posted: November 23 2021 at 11:19
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1. Supertramp - Some Things Never Change 2. Yes - Keys to Ascension II 3. GTR - King Biscuit Presents In Concert 4. Steve Hackett - A Midsummer Night's Dream 5. Asia - Live in Nottingham
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 24 2021 at 00:39
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Oh good yet another discussion about 'what is prog' . Don't we just love those lol. I remember immediately thinking when Paranoid Android was released that prog had returned . a lot of other people thought the same , so much so that Radiohead were more than a little embarrassed by it. In the seventies 'prog' had a much narrower definition and was applied mainly to the symphonic bands ELP, Yes etc. It has gradually widened over the years to the point where its just 'interesting rock music' that avoids the mainstream. Don't sweat it!
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 24 2021 at 01:39
We are some, and maybe not so few, which have very different view of it.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 24 2021 at 01:49
| Radiohead is the least offensive entry in any list considering some of the artists/bands I've seen in these '80s and '90s lists. |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 24 2021 at 01:56
If you say that to comfort me, you failed. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 24 2021 at 02:05
so brutal  Check out some of those lists and you'll see what I mean.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 24 2021 at 02:11
How much do you want me to suffer?
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 24 2021 at 02:13
I don't understand. How are you suffering? And why?
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 24 2021 at 02:15
Now, you really want to see my heart bleeding. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 24 2021 at 02:16
I honestly do not understand why you are upset here.
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: November 24 2021 at 03:24
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I'm curious when we see the next list actually. |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 24 2021 at 06:38
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It's really just a fun poll, it's not that much of a deal. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: November 24 2021 at 07:10
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I think I’d probably find it easier to compile a top ten of not prog from 1997 than prog from 1997, simply because a lot more of my favourite albums from this year are from bands either not at all prog, or not agreed to be prog enough for PA even if sometimes recognised as such outside this site. So, sticking to prog as agreed by PA, my top ten for 1997 (in alphabetical order only) is: Arcturus - La Masquerade Infernale Art Zoyd - Häxan David Bowie - Earthling Dream Theater - Falling Into Infinity Höyry-Kone - Huono Parturi In the Woods… - Omnio Koenji Hyakkei- Two Mansun - Attack of the Grey Lantern Radiohead - OK Computer The Tea Party - Transmission Now to go back and see what I have missed, by looking through the lists on the preceding pages! ------------- https://tinyurl.com/nickhnz-tpa" rel="nofollow - Reviewer for The Progressive Aspect |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 24 2021 at 07:51
Someone just like to go more in depth with things than that, and maybe Prog means more to them.
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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: November 24 2021 at 08:05
These are two of the many albums I was implying when I was talking about albums not considered prog “enough” for PA. Although, when I then checked, I see that Tuatara is in PA (and I just never knew it). I would probably call Tuatara a multi-National group, rather than a US group, though. It was formed by Barrett Martin and Justin Harwood, the latter of whom gave the project its name, and who is a Kiwi. From the initial idea from Barrett and Justin, they were joined initially by Peter Buck and Skerik, but with the idea that they would always be a floating and changing collective of musicians with influences from around the globe. After Justin left, Barrett took the reins solo and has been the only constant member that I’m aware of, but there has pretty much always been musicians from at least one country other than the US. I love Breaking the Ethers so much, so I would have to put them into my top ten for 1997. ------------- https://tinyurl.com/nickhnz-tpa" rel="nofollow - Reviewer for The Progressive Aspect |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: November 24 2021 at 08:52
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Many great ones in 97. Hard to identify which is tops. 1. Phi Yaan Zek - Worlds Beyond Cause 2. 5uus - Crisis in Clay 3. Koenji Hyakkei - ni(Viva Koenji) 4. Spastic Ink - Ink Complete 5. Happy Family - Toscco 6. Fredrik Thordendal - Sol Niger Within 7. Idiot Flesh - Fancy 8. Bondage Fruit - Récit 9. Par Lindh Project - Mondus Incopertus 10. Bozzio Levens Stevens - Black Light Syndrome ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 25 2021 at 00:37
as you can see I have a long history with this site I got very annoyed when the likes of Queen and 10CC started appearing (albeit under Prog related). Nowadays its not worth increasing my blood pressure over. There is a whole lot of stuff that would fail if we were taking a seventies definition. I would not stray much beyond the likes of ELP, Genesis , Marillion, Floyd and Tull if was down to me. A key thing though is 'rock'. It should be 'rock music' at least and many bands and artists fail that immediately. I mean what the eff is Kate Bush doing here? She is not prog and never was as much as I adore her. And we can go on and on and on with this argument but I won't. As Christi suggests, Radiohead is one the lesser controversial choices for prog. I remember magazine articles comparing them to Yes and Genesis. Hilarious maybe but not totally off the mark.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 25 2021 at 08:18
My main point was considering much more than just OK Computer.
And precisely speaking, it's not about what Prog is, but about what it should be considered/defined as to be - it's a decision. (for this very important distinction, maybe see my article - even I dont think, you have any need for that, richardh) http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=127835&SID=6216975ab2282e7cc89bc6f99bze40384490741 ....... In the Wake of Poseidon...and not...at the black bottom of the sea... We need Prog.........right?, progardvaark?  Edit: And now, I think, I'll better move on from here - Mirakaze, sorry for all the disturbance, I don't hope, you find it meaningless.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 26 2021 at 01:22
was it? It seemed you went straight for that one on the thread.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 26 2021 at 01:28
I had a quick look but got bored quickly (sorry). I grew up in the seventies and was well aware of what 'prog' was. Probably 90% of what is now on the site would fail the definition for all sorts of reasons. There was a point when I stopped caring about whether something called be prog or not and whether its innovative. I'm not remotely qualified to answer such questions and really you go down all sorts of rabbit holes and 'how many angels dance on the head of a pin' such arguments. What I do know is the so called 'music industry' is not for music but for money making. Literally anyone going against this is progressive. You need talent , a vision and a need to create something. Very little else counts imo. |
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: December 12 2021 at 21:09
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pretty good year Clannad - Landmarks Clepsydra - Fears Galahad - Return of the Piper Kerrs Pink - Art of Complex Simplicity Promethean - Gazing the Invisible Tempus Fugit - Tales of a Forgotten World Andreas Vollenweider - Kryptos Hon Mentions Dice - Nightmare Kad - 18.61 Red Jasper - Anagramary |