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Topic: Chimes and Chains
Posted By: ProfPanglos
Subject: Chimes and Chains
Date Posted: October 06 2021 at 17:28

If I had to pick a single favorite band, and only one, it would be Tangerine Dream.

I’ve been tempted over the last couple of years to give a focused, chronological re-listening to their music, and lay some thoughts down on paper – a short, personal review and reflection on each track as I go through their catalog.

[Not their *entire* catalog, because that would be silly and I probably don’t have enough time left on planet earth to take on such a gargantuan task.  I’ll just be blogging on my own personal library of TD - which is extensive enough.]

Since this forum has a sub-forum for such an endeavor with this ‘prog blog’ section, I think I’ll give this idea a shot.

I’ll also include whatever solo albums I have from TD band members (the “Big 4” anyway… Froese, Franke, Baumann, Schmoelling), just for my own fun.

The listening equipment:  AKG K240 headphones  |  Onkyo CR-N755 bookshelf CD player  |  U-Turn Orbit Special turntable with Ortofon 2M red stylus  |  Nakamichi CR-1A cassette deck



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Posted By: ProfPanglos
Date Posted: October 06 2021 at 17:32

INTRODUCTION

My first purchase of/exposure to Tangerine Dream’s music was in 1981 with the release of “Exit.”

I was already a big fan of Vangelis, Kraftwerk, Jean-Michel Jarre, Klaus Schulze, Kitaro, and a few others – but for whatever reason I had not been exposed to Tangerine Dream yet.

In 1980 a friend of mine who lived abroad sent me a cassette tape of Peter Baumann’s “Trans Harmonic Nights” and in his letter he mentioned that the guy had been from a band called Tangerine Dream.  He recommended I get “Stratosfear” and “Force Majeure” - so these names and titles were in my head, but it wasn’t until a year later that I saw “Exit” in the ‘New Releases’ section of the record store and bought it.

I was immediately hooked, and thus began a lifelong love affair with this incredible band.  I hit every record store in town, made lots of special order import purchases (I waited six solid months for my copy of the ’70-’80 Box Set to arrive!) and continued collecting, listening, and enjoying the music throughout the years.

Okay, enough introduction... it’s time to don the headphones and listen to: ELECTRONIC MEDITATION.



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Posted By: ProfPanglos
Date Posted: October 06 2021 at 19:04

Tangerine Dream

ELECTRONIC MEDITATION (1970)

 Track List:

 Genesis  |  Journey Through A Burning Brain  |  Cold Smoke  |  Ashes To Ashes  |  Resurrection

I first bought this LP around ’81 or ’82, after having already become familiar with several other titles of the Froese/Franke/Baumann and Froese/Franke/Schmoelling recordings.  At the time, I was certainly intrigued by the wild, white & orange record cover with the headless baby doll and all the patch cables… and had high hopes - but initially (and for many years afterward) found the music boring and unlistenable.  It wasn’t until later in life that the early Tangerine Dream recordings began to really resonate with me.

10-6-2021  |  Listening state of mind: Calm, serene, sober.

Genesis:

Starts out a bit ambient and spooky, but quickly morphs out of the ambient and into the psychedelic arena with some free-form, effect-heavy cello, violin, flute - and a young Klaus Schulze banging away on the drums as if there was no tomorrow.  Froese’s weird guitar noises (I would not call them “riffs” haha) come in, and then the piece ends [too soon, in my opinion] with an abrupt transition into track two.

Journey Through A Burning Brain:

Edgar’s guitar noises continue to be in the forefront on this longer piece, where there are actually moments of organ melody/chord progressions… the organ chord progressions then shares center stage with the electric guitar, but there is still plenty of dissonance.  About 5 minutes into the piece, a rhythmic guitar fires up in the background, and Klaus comes in with some radical drumming.  Still plenty of weirdness and processed noises going on throughout the piece, but the track maintains a bit of structure and melody throughout.  (I use the word “melody” in its loosest possible sense.)  The structure seems to cavitate around the 9 minute mark, and it gets more free-form and frantic.  Around the 11 minute mark, the drums drop out, and the organ and flute become center, and the piece mellows out (and ultimately fades out).  Good stuff.

Cold Smoke:

Another longer piece, which begins ambient-ish, with abrupt moments of discord frequently interrupting a more mellow organ background.  At about 3.5 minutes in, the organ starts pulsing a bit, with Klaus doing some faster-tempo drum work.  The organ begins to rock steady with Klaus, and at 6 minutes or so into the piece, things build (and continue to build) with Edgar bringing the electric guitar back into the mix.  Some weird vocal noises appear after the 9 minute mark.  Maybe the most “rocking” piece on the album… and at the height of the heavy rocking, the piece cuts out entirely and the odd beginning of track 4 begins.   

Ashes To Ashes:

The immediate drop of the cacophonous ending of track 3 is juxtaposed here with 4 deep human breaths, in and out, before a slower paced groove of organ, drums, guitar, and various weird noises commences.  I really like this piece, I think it may be my favorite track on the album.  The flute I’m hearing, in the background and panned right, is high-register and wild, and a subtle but integral component.

Resurrection:

Organ and backward voice open this final track.  The voice drops out after a minute or so, the organ fades, and the piece returns to the opening Genesis sounds, completing the circle.


Some brief thoughts after this re-listening:  I adore this album.  When I’m in the mood for weird psychedelic music, this is definitely one of my go-to recordings.  It’s really grown on me over the years.  It’s definitely not the album I’d play for someone to *introduce* them to the band, but it is a great debut for the very young and experimental band - and has stood the test of time with a vengeance, in my opinion.



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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: October 06 2021 at 19:37
"Chimes and Chains" is a great title. I suspect we're on the same page with regard to most things Tangerine Dream (you can probably tell by my avatar).

The funny thing is, while I didn't buy it new on arrival, Exit was also my first proper Tangerine Dream purchase (followed by Firestarter and Le Parc). I find the music on Exit as compelling, as captivating, to this day — though I now prefer Side B to Side A. The overall sonic palette effected by the gear they used in that 1980-1983 window remains my overall favorite.

Looking forward to reading your musings.


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Posted By: ProfPanglos
Date Posted: October 06 2021 at 22:36
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

"Chimes and Chains" is a great title. I suspect we're on the same page with regard to most things Tangerine Dream (you can probably tell by my avatar).

The funny thing is, while I didn't buy it new on arrival, Exit was also my first proper Tangerine Dream purchase (followed by Firestarter and Le Parc). I find the music on Exit as compelling, as captivating, to this day — though I now prefer Side B to Side A. The overall sonic palette effected by the gear they used in that 1980-1983 window remains my overall favorite.

Looking forward to reading your musings.

Hi, verslibre - and thanks for posting!

Yes indeed I noticed (and highly approve of) your avatar!  Stuntman is an interesting, complex album, and my second-favorite Froese solo album, right behind Epsilon In Malaysian Pale.

Agreed on the sonic palette of those years, absolutely stunning!


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Posted By: ProfPanglos
Date Posted: October 07 2021 at 00:03

Tangerine Dream

ALPHA CENTAURI (1971)

Track list:  Sunrise In The Third System  |  Fly And Collision Of Comas Sola  |  Alpha Centauri

“Alpha Centauri” was another LP I purchased in '81 or '82 - though it was a special import from Europe and when it arrived, it was a 2LP with "Atem" as the 2nd album.  For a few years I thought they were released together like that, and didn't realize they were separate recordings with "Zeit" in-between them.  Again, in those early days of my immersion into Tangerine Dream's music, all I wanted was minor-key bad-ass sequencing with ominous (but harmonious) chord progressions, and the early experimental recordings didn't do anything for me until many years later.  

10-6-2021  |  Listening state of mind:  A little tired but not ready for bed, and still calm & sober.

Sunrise In The Third System:

This opening track begins with a delicate, sublime plucking sound; shortly thereafter, organ, synth, and [what I think sounds like] electric guitar emerges.  It’s a short, relatively harmonious piece and more ambient and meditative than anything on “Electronic Meditation.”  A nice opener, but too short!

Fly And Collision Of Comas Sola:

Okay, *now* we’re getting into some serious “space music.”  A faint electric guitar-strummed melody resides in the background – the foreground is all spacy oscillating synth, LOL.  An organ joins the guitar melody after a couple of minutes, and then a flute to compliment them.  So far, it’s a mellow piece of music, far less frantic than anything on its predecessor LP, until about the 8 minute mark, where the drums come in and take over the forefront from the VCS synth.  At the 10 minute mark, it’s primarily drums and flute in front, with the guitar and synth taking a back seat.  Franke’s drumming seems a bit better (yet similar in its overwhelming, full style) than Schulze’s.  The piece closes with the guitar dropping out, the drums and VCS taking us back into outer space, and the piece can no longer be called “mellow” – it gets busier, with the drums creating more of a ‘wall’ (or a ‘wash’) than a ‘beat.’  The ending is abrupt.

Alpha Centauri:

The longest track on the album, at just over 22 minutes.  Another spooky, spacy ambient-like opening, no semblance of melody or structure.  After 2-3 minutes, flute sounds coalesce over an organ drone, with some synth weirdness thrown in for good measure, sounding more like sirens than synths.  The background drone is maintained, but begins to fluctuate and change pitch here and there, the flute departs, and a little after 7 minutes, that droning organ starts ascending and descending all over the place.  After the 9 minute mark, some electric guitar notes appear, but nothing that resembles a melody or riff – just plucked notes sliding down the fretboard.  The flute returns to the front to join the guitar sounds, but the guitar is short-lived; the flute remains.  The piece seems rather free-form and random at this point; still fairly mellow – albeit spooky, with the high-register synth voices going everywhere and back, like some choir on LSD.  Some German recitation begins around the 18 minute mark, and a low drone returns.  Voices emerge, but this time in a minor-key undulating melody with the organ – a strong and majestic 4-minute finish to the composition.

 

Some brief thoughts after this re-listening:  Of the 4 early and experimental studio albums, I think this one’s my favorite.  It’s that closing 4 minutes of the title track – just phenomenal!  [I actually have not heard “Zeit” or “Atem” in quite a while, so it’ll be interesting to me to see if I still favor “Alpha Centauri” after tomorrow’s listening excursion.]



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Posted By: ProfPanglos
Date Posted: October 07 2021 at 12:17

Tangerine Dream

ULTIMA THULE (1971)

Track list:  Ultima Thule (Part 1)  |  Ultima Thule (Part 2)

This 7” was not something I had ever heard of until the late 1990’s.  I had saved up several hundred dollars for a music shopping spree, and had been told that there was a CD shop in Burien, WA (“Soundwaves”) that specialized in prog.  One Saturday morning, I went there with my wallet full of cash to get some good new titles for the collection.  Sure enough, it was a really great CD shop.  There was only one other person in the store when I got there, some younger kid, clearly high on something… jittery and talking to himself.  I had already picked out a dozen or more titles, and had a stack at the counter I was going to purchase.  The kid was watching me flip through the music, and soon came over to chat.  I happened to be flipping through PFM CDs, and the kid scoffed, “Everyone’s heard of PFM.  That’s not prog.  The only true prog band is Brainticket.”  I was trying to be polite, but also really did not want to engage with him much.  The store clerk spoke up from the counter – “Don’t bother the paying customers!”  (Which got a slight chuckle out of me.)

Anyway, after having browsed through the whole place, and after picking out a couple tall stacks of CDs to buy, I asked the clerk, “Do you have any… oddball recordings behind the counter?”  (My way of trying to be discreet about bootlegs.)  He asked what bands I was looking for, and I said “Tangerine Dream, Jethro Tull, and Kate Bush.”  He pulled out a brand new 4 CD bootleg of TD called “Electronic Orgy,” and said “80 bucks for this one.”  He also pulled out some live Tull stuff that I also bought.  He didn’t have any unique Kate Bush stuff.

Those familiar with TD bootlegs will know that “Electronic Orgy” was a treasure trove of previously unreleased & rare material.  So that’s where I first heard these two short songs.

[It ended up being a good investment.  I burned myself a copy, and put the original on eBay and got $250 for it.  My days of collecting for the sake of collecting rarities is long gone.  I’m just interested in listening to the music.]

Ultima Thule (Part 1):

The track definitely has some charm as a non-traditional Tangerine Dream “rock jam.”  I honestly don’t know what else I can say about it, it’s short, structured, and simple… but kind of fun.

Ultima Thule (Part 2):

Less driving and forceful than Part 1, and more in-line with what one would expect from TD in 1971.  More reliance on the organs than the guitar – in fact, I’m not even sure if I heard *any* guitar in it.  I think I hear an electric bass in the background, toward the end of the piece.  Still pretty energetic, though.


I don’t have any real comments or conclusions on this one.  It doesn’t blow me away by any means, but it’s not… bad.  Just sort of an unusual nugget from them.



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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: October 07 2021 at 12:20
Originally posted by ProfPanglos ProfPanglos wrote:

Some brief thoughts after this re-listening:  I adore this album.  When I’m in the mood for weird psychedelic music, this is definitely one of my go-to recordings.  It’s really grown on me over the years.  It’s definitely not the album I’d play for someone to *introduce* them to the band, but it is a great debut for the very young and experimental band - and has stood the test of time with a vengeance, in my opinion. 

Hear! Hear! This is a special one, and there really isn't anything else like it out there. Logan likes this record a lot, too. For me, it's a toss-up between "Journey" and "Cold Smoke." I used to wonder if Klaus had any idea he'd be operating on a wavelength much closer to Edgar's just a few years hence.

Originally posted by ProfPanglos ProfPanglos wrote:

Some brief thoughts after this re-listening:  Of the 4 early and experimental studio albums, I think this one’s my favorite.  It’s that closing 4 minutes of the title track – just phenomenal!  [I actually have not heard “Zeit” or “Atem” in quite a while, so it’ll be interesting to me to see if I still favor “Alpha Centauri” after tomorrow’s listening excursion.]

I prefer Atem to Alpha Centauri by a hair, because the former is the first record by the line-up of Froese, Franke and Baumann, and it's the dawn of their "sound." But both are essential.


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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 07 2021 at 12:22
A excellent topic. I'm a big admirer of Tangerine Dream (one of my favourites) and related projects and am really appreciating reading through this, and will continue to follow it. By the way, I started with Phaedra and it did not resonate with me, and then heard the debut a couple of years later and it worked for me first try. I love it. I then got into all of the pre-Phaedra ones but still wasn't much into later things I knew, and then I appreciated Pheadra and later material. Ricochet really got me on first listen.

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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: October 07 2021 at 12:27
Originally posted by ProfPanglos ProfPanglos wrote:

Anyway, after having browsed through the whole place, and after picking out a couple tall stacks of CDs to buy, I asked the clerk, “Do you have any… oddball recordings behind the counter?”  (My way of trying to be discreet about bootlegs.)  He asked what bands I was looking for, and I said “Tangerine Dream, Jethro Tull, and Kate Bush.”  He pulled out a brand new 4 CD bootleg of TD called “Electronic Orgy,” and said “80 bucks for this one.”  He also pulled out some live Tull stuff that I also bought.  He didn’t have any unique Kate Bush stuff.

Those familiar with TD bootlegs will know that “Electronic Orgy” was a treasure trove of previously unreleased & rare material.  So that’s where I first heard these two short songs.

I also sold mine. When it first showed up, a friend who was working at a shop got us two copies (they didn't even make it out of the stock room). He quickly described the title and the cover photos, and I thought he was joking. Then I saw them. LOL

Of course, Electronic Orgy is pretty much obsolete now, but 25 years ago, it packed a wallop!



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Posted By: ProfPanglos
Date Posted: October 07 2021 at 12:41
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Of course, Electronic Orgy is pretty much obsolete now, but 25 years ago, it packed a wallop!

True.  Kind of a monumental bootleg.  I still pull my copy off the shelf on occasion, just to hear "Octahedron I" - which I understand isn't really a "TD" composition, but all Haslinger.  Regardless, I love that one.

Now, even the rarest items are searchable, orderable, or available to listen to on YT.  Sometimes I get nostalgic about the old days, hunting for those good "finds" at obscure little record stores.  It was a lot more fun than just clicking a mouse and putting a recording in my Amazon cart. 


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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: October 07 2021 at 13:54
It took some finding, but I knew I'd written an albums tribute to TD somewhere in the distant past, and just as Tangerine Dream uses sequencers to make albums, I used a sequencer to arrange their albums in chronological order. Wink

Phaedra was a princess of Crete in Greek mythology, and that's where we begin our journey as we cross the Rubycon with the music of Tangerine Dream. This legendary German electronica band have been with us seemingly forever, and their wonderful music reverberates and resonates through the years like a Ricochet bouncing endlessly off the walls through eternity. Tangerine Dream are best-known for their classic 1970's albums on the Virgin label and they really soared to the heights of the Stratosfear and beyond with the success of their fourth Virgin album in 1976. The trio of Tangerine Dream were led by the electronic Sorcerer of the keys Edgar Froese (1944-2015) with Chris Franke and Peter Baumann completing the line-up in the early years, until Johannes Schmoelling replaced Peter Baumann in 1979. The band had a very successful concert tour of the USA in 1977 where they were often asked to perform an Encore and they stormed from coast to coast across the United States with all the power of a Cyclone in an unstoppable Force Majeure of energy and strength. The music of Tangerine Dream has all the colour and versatility of a Tangram puzzle, and can often be as  grand and imposing as the Pergamon Museum in Berlin. Tangerine Dream are well-known for their soundtrack albums too, most notably with the score to the James Cann movie Thief in 1981. It's in their stunning concert performances where Tangerine Dream really excel though, and fans are always guaranteed a long concert set before the band finally Exit the stage. The magnificent music of Tangerine Dream soars with the grace and beauty of a White Eagle and their music is just as distinctive as the Logos on their album covers. In fact, Tangerine Dream are almost as legendary as the mystical land of Hyperborea in ancient Greek folklore.


Posted By: ProfPanglos
Date Posted: October 07 2021 at 13:55
As an aside, and jumping momentarily from 1971 to 2021:

I was visiting the link BaldJean posted in regard to James McGaw's repose, and found this, just released today - apparently TD have a new "EP" coming out.  I thought "Raum" was actually a pretty good track!



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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: October 07 2021 at 14:28
^I'm on Eastgate's mailing list; today they sent the update for the new EP Probe 6-8.

It has three new tracks and two remixes (of those tracks). Interestingly, there's this tidbit (bold areas are theirs — underlined is mine):

Quote During the last months, Tangerine Dream were working on the EP 'Probe 6-8' in their Berlin studio space. Classic studio productions and late night real time compositions became the blueprint for slowly evolving ambient structures. The band’s sequencer driven sound in the tradition of the early '70s work was combined with lush 1980s crystalline bliss. Thorsten Quaeschning, Hoshiko Yamane and Paul Frick composed and produced with full access to Edgar Froese's Cubase arrangements and Otari Tape Archive with recordings from 1977 – 2013.

For the first time in decades, Tangerine Dream’s tracks can not exactly be re-created for a live performance. An EP, which was not meant to be performed live, as a direct response to the many canceled shows of the last months. 'Probe 6-8' is the band’s preview to their upcoming album in March 2022, the second studio album after the passing of the founder Edgar Froese.

Composed by Edgar Froese, Thorsten Quaeschning, Hoshiko Yamane & Paul Frick. Remixes by Grand River and Sam Barker.


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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: October 07 2021 at 14:37
Originally posted by ProfPanglos ProfPanglos wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Of course, Electronic Orgy is pretty much obsolete now, but 25 years ago, it packed a wallop!

True.  Kind of a monumental bootleg.  I still pull my copy off the shelf on occasion, just to hear "Octahedron I" - which I understand isn't really a "TD" composition, but all Haslinger.  Regardless, I love that one.

Now, even the rarest items are searchable, orderable, or available to listen to on YT.  Sometimes I get nostalgic about the old days, hunting for those good "finds" at obscure little record stores.  It was a lot more fun than just clicking a mouse and putting a recording in my Amazon cart.

Copy that. I loved "the hunt." Now it's mostly online. Nothing beats sifting through scores of records and discs. That's how I discovered Mark Shreeve in 1988.

Haslinger's "Octahedron I" was available only on a compilation CD, which I eventually sold. Solid track.

A few years ago, Peter Baumann released his first new instrumental electronic solo album since Trans Harmonic Nights, titled Machines of Desire. If you don't already have it, I recommend it. It's quite good.




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Posted By: ProfPanglos
Date Posted: October 07 2021 at 14:43
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

A few years ago, Peter Baumann released his first new instrumental electronic solo album since Trans Harmonic Nights, titled Machines of Desire. If you don't already have it, I recommend it. It's quite good.

I'll put M.O.D. on my list to listen to.  I've known of it since it came out, but (amazingly, really) have not yet heard it.  I am presuming you have heard the Neuland recording?  I do like that one quite a bit.  


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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: October 07 2021 at 15:18
Originally posted by ProfPanglos ProfPanglos wrote:

I am presuming you have heard the Neuland recording?  I do like that one quite a bit.  

I tried to like that one. Never quite gets going. It's missing...something. I didn't expect it to sound like Tangerine Dream, just a little more developed, I guess.


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Posted By: ProfPanglos
Date Posted: October 07 2021 at 15:27
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

It's missing...something. I didn't expect it to sound like Tangerine Dream, just a little more developed, I guess.

It's missing Franke and Schmoelling, LOL.  I'd love to see some sort of 'conglomerate' of past members put out some high level epic new Berlin-School with a nod to TD/EF.

Edited to add: Though I've been pretty disappointed with Franke's output.  I thought Pacific Coast Highway had some good moments, and I thought Klemania was pretty good (I haven't heard either one of those recordings in ages), but a lot of the other stuff I've heard is pretty bland and too soft and new-agey for my tastes.


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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: October 07 2021 at 16:08
Originally posted by ProfPanglos ProfPanglos wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

It's missing...something. I didn't expect it to sound like Tangerine Dream, just a little more developed, I guess.

It's missing Franke and Schmoelling, LOL.

Truth. LOL

Originally posted by ProfPanglos ProfPanglos wrote:

I'd love to see some sort of 'conglomerate' of past members put out some high level epic new Berlin-School with a nod to TD/EF.

For a while, I thought we would get exactly that within the first few years of Edgar's passing. I guess not. Peter Baumann did join up with Ulrich and Thorsten to complete some of Edgar's ideas, but it didn't work out. Then Peter recorded Machines of Desire, so no complaint here!

Thorsten and Ulrich then went and recorded an album removed from the Tangerine Dream umbrella, Synthwaves. It's a winner.



Originally posted by ProfPanglos ProfPanglos wrote:

Edited to add: Though I've been pretty disappointed with Franke's output.  I thought Pacific Coast Highway had some good moments, and I thought Klemania was pretty good (I haven't heard either one of those recordings in ages), but a lot of the other stuff I've heard is pretty bland and too soft and new-agey for my tastes.

The London Concert remains my favorite of Franke's — I freely admit because it's the most TD-esque of his solo output! KLEMania was pretty cool for the time.

The best post-departure surprise that involved Franke was the unveiling of the bonus disc with four long pieces in the Dream Roots box set. "Valley of the Sun" is a closet classic if I ever heard one.


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Posted By: ProfPanglos
Date Posted: October 07 2021 at 16:24
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Thorsten and Ulrich then went and recorded an album removed from the Tangerine Dream umbrella, Synthwaves. It's a winner.

I'm adding it to the list to explore!

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

The best post-departure surprise that involved Franke was the unveiling of the bonus disc with four long pieces in the Dream Roots box set. "Valley of the Sun" is a closet classic if I ever heard one.

Right???  How did *that* one not make it to a studio album?  Valley Of The Sun is one of my ALL-TIME favorite TD pieces!

Speaking of Dream Roots, I know a lot of people/purists had heartburn about the "Tangentized" TD tracks on both Tangents and Dream Roots (I am also one of those who didn't appreciate the additions) - but I did sort of groove on what they did with the early experimental pieces on Disc 1 of Dream Roots.  I haven't heard those Dream Roots discs in forever, and have [finally] come to love the originals of those early years, so I may not appreciate the Dream Roots CD1 additions anymore.  I'll probably get there to review it on this blog in about 20 years.

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Posted By: ProfPanglos
Date Posted: October 07 2021 at 18:14

Tangerine Dream

OSZILLATOR PLANET CONCERT (1971)

This 8+ minute piece came from an album called “Ossiach Live.”  I never had this album; my copy of O.P.C. comes from the aforementioned TD bootleg, “Electronic Orgy.”

10-7-2021  |  Listening state of mind:  Still recuperating from listening to that cheesy new “Yes” album.  And I’m incredibly hungry… haven’t eaten all day.  But I have a giant plate of homemade spaghetti in front of me, which I plan on horfing down while I listen to this.

Oszillator Planet Concert:

The first 5+ minutes have no guitar, and no other instruments than synth & organ, that I can tell.  Some guitar notes are finally plucked & bent, starting at the 5.5 minute mark of this mostly formless and ambient piece.  A minute or so later, a lower-register guitar comes in with a slow, methodical note progression which changes key back and forth until the end.  There are moments that remind me of the title track of Alpha Centauri, but this is mellower.


Some brief thoughts after this re-listening:  It’s another interesting historical nugget in their early material, but that’s as far as I can go.  The piece doesn’t offend my ears, but I don’t ever foresee myself saying, “Hey – I’m in the mood for Oszillator Planet Concert!”  My spaghetti, on the other hand, was absolute dynamite!



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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: October 08 2021 at 09:51
Originally posted by ProfPanglos ProfPanglos wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

The best post-departure surprise that involved Franke was the unveiling of the bonus disc with four long pieces in the Dream Roots box set. "Valley of the Sun" is a closet classic if I ever heard one.

Right???  How did *that* one not make it to a studio album?  Valley Of The Sun is one of my ALL-TIME favorite TD pieces!

Speaking of Dream Roots, I know a lot of people/purists had heartburn about the "Tangentized" TD tracks on both Tangents and Dream Roots (I am also one of those who didn't appreciate the additions) - but I did sort of groove on what they did with the early experimental pieces on Disc 1 of Dream Roots.  I haven't heard those Dream Roots discs in forever, and have [finally] come to love the originals of those early years, so I may not appreciate the Dream Roots CD1 additions anymore.  I'll probably get there to review it on this blog in about 20 years.

When I first got Tangents, I enjoyed the experimentation. Once the honeymoon was over, I knew nothing would top the originals (and Edgar did that since he didn't have the rights to a lot of material at the time). The bonus disc of rarities was the best part, naturally.

And ditto on Disc 1 of Dream Roots.

Originally posted by ProfPanglos ProfPanglos wrote:

Are you a Radio Massacre International fan?

I appreciate what they do, but I wouldn't call myself a fan (maybe I need to hear more). I do like the output of Mark Shreeve (solo and Redshift) and Ian Boddy, and their collaborations as Arc are fantastic.

A short-lived band (duo) I loved was Wavestar. They weren't around long, but they left their mark! Moonwind is essential EM.


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Posted By: ProfPanglos
Date Posted: October 08 2021 at 12:19

Tangerine Dream

ZEIT (1972)

Track list:  Birth Of Liquid Plejades  |  Nebulous Dawn  |  Origin Of Supernatural Probabilities  |  Zeit

“Zeit” was another TD album I purchased around ’81 or ’82 - a “special order” from Europe - and I had ordered both “Zeit” and “Alpha Centauri/Atem” at the same time (paying about $20.00 for each) which at that time seemed astronomical since LPs typically ranged from around $7.00 for a standard LP and maybe $10 or $12 for a double LP.

As an aside, I lived in Taiwan from 1977 to 1980 and the pirated albums there sold for the equivalent of $0.18 USD.  I built a huge LP and cassette collection from my years living in Taiwan, and every summer from ’81 to ’84 I’d go back there for a month to visit my dad.  The last trip (’84) I actually got harassed by Customs because I had so many LPs that they thought I was re-selling them in the US.  I was taken to some office in the airport and had to explain to these Customs officers that they were for my own personal collection; that I was just a music buff.

In the early 1980’s when I was in high school back in the USA 99.9% of my peers and friends had no clue who Tangerine Dream was.  Everyone was listening to Van Halen, Rush, Scorpions, AC/DC, Queen, Loverboy, The B-52’s, Talking Heads, Duran Duran, The Police, U2, or whatever.  The radio stuff.  The “New Wave” was in full swing.  Bright colors, shoulder pads, big hair, skinny ties, and androgyny was all the rage.  Running concurrent with the “New Wave” music was the increasing popularity with “New Age” music, and that was often where one could find interesting electronic (and acoustic) music.  I remember reading an interview decades ago with Edgar Froese where they asked him about the frequent labeling of Tangerine Dream’s music as “New Age.”  I can’t remember his exact words, but he said something like “We view things from a very high tower, and we don’t see this ‘new age’ anywhere.”  It cracked me up.

10-8-2021  |  Listening state of mind:  Calm & sober, and ready to don the headphones for an uninterrupted serious listening of this epic, generally well-respected double album.

ZEIT – I cannot separate the pieces to comment on them.  (Well, I can, but I won’t.)  Personally, I think this is a special album, and the 4 different tracks all belong together, and create a “whole” experience after listening.  I feel enveloped by all of it.  The tracks can stand by themselves, for sure… and each are distinctly different, but it just seems to me that they need to be taken as a whole – that the sum is greater than the parts, and that something is “lost” when they are separated and analyzed too deeply.

What comes to my mind as I listen?  “Minimalist.”  “Classical.”  “Encompassing.”  “Meditative.”  The album is aptly titled; a sense of… long passages of time, eons, evolution… things like this come to my mind.  Harmony, discord, complexity, simplicity, integration, disintegration, growth, decay, the material and the immaterial… it’s all here.  A very evocative album.

I rescind my earlier comment about “Alpha Centauri” being my favorite of the 4 early experimental studio albums.  “Zeit” is far better and more… mature.  And I’m looking forward to listening to “Atem” - but it won’t be today.  I feel an afterglow effect with “Zeit,” and I want to carry it with me for the rest of the day (or make a good attempt to, anyway).



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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: October 08 2021 at 16:22
Originally posted by ProfPanglos ProfPanglos wrote:

Running concurrent with the “New Wave” music was the increasing popularity with “New Age” music, and that was often where one could find interesting electronic (and acoustic) music.  I remember reading an interview decades ago with Edgar Froese where they asked him about the frequent labeling of Tangerine Dream’s music as “New Age.”  I can’t remember his exact words, but he said something like “We view things from a very high tower, and we don’t see this ‘new age’ anywhere.”  It cracked me up.

Haha! Edgar definitely did not consider Tangerine Dream a New Age band ("—not that there's anything wrong with that!") and neither did I. One friend, who was a (very) casual fan (but did attend the Optical Race concert with our group), did call them New Age, and it was mostly to annoy me. Confused

John McLaughlin once wrote in to Keyboard to voice his concern about the burgeoning New Age market, all but chastising amateur musicians who were "poking pianos and synthesizers and releasing albums."

Originally posted by ProfPanglos ProfPanglos wrote:

I rescind my earlier comment about “Alpha Centauri” being my favorite of the 4 early experimental studio albums.  “Zeit” is far better and more… mature.  And I’m looking forward to listening to “Atem” - but it won’t be today.  I feel an afterglow effect with “Zeit,” and I want to carry it with me for the rest of the day (or make a good attempt to, anyway).

I'm giving Zeit a fresh revisit this weekend. It's been quite some time. Great write-up, Prof!



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Posted By: ProfPanglos
Date Posted: October 08 2021 at 18:04
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Haha! Edgar definitely did not consider Tangerine Dream a New Age band ("—not that there's anything wrong with that!") and neither did I. One friend, who was a (very) casual fan (but did attend the Optical Race concert with our group), did call them New Age, and it was mostly to annoy me. Confused

John McLaughlin once wrote in to Keyboard to voice his concern about the burgeoning New Age market, all but chastising amateur musicians who were "poking pianos and synthesizers and releasing albums."

I'm giving Zeit a fresh revisit this weekend. It's been quite some time. Great write-up, Prof!


You know, I think McLaughlin's being a bit severe.  While a lot of it was indeed weak and cheesy, some really good stuff came out of those "new age" artists.  Others may disagree.  I thought Andreas Vollenweider's Caverna Magica was a great album, and still do.  I really love a lot of the earlier Windham Hill stuff, like George Winston, Alex DeGrassi, William Ackerman, Shadowfax, and so on.  I was a very early follower of the Windham Hill stuff, and actually saw George Winston (for the first time), in a high school auditorium with about 100 people in the audience.  By the following year, he was selling out the Opera House.  Another great classic (to me) of electronic music that was "new age" - and now quite rare - was Trans-Millenia Consort's Plot Zero.  Suzanne Ciani got more popular/more noticed during that whole time period too, with Seven Waves and Velocity Of Love.  Another really great rarity (that I unfortunately no longer have) was an album by a dude named Darren Kearns - titled Optimal Being.  I've seen it occasionally on eBay... one of these days I'll get another copy.  Another guy I like is Thierry Fervant.  Swiss, I think.  His albums Univers, Seasons Of Life, and Blue Planet are all enjoyable to me.

Thanks for the kind words on the write-up, and thanks for the conversation in general.  It's fun to talk TD with someone who knows as much or more about them than I do! 

Edited to add:  Is the eBay link in your signature stuff from your own collection?  I saw Lucia Hwong's House Of Sleeping Beauties and Robert Schroeder's Brain Voyager in there and smiled... two albums I very much enjoy, though I haven't heard either of them in a looooong time.


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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: October 09 2021 at 12:58
Originally posted by ProfPanglos ProfPanglos wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Haha! Edgar definitely did not consider Tangerine Dream a New Age band ("—not that there's anything wrong with that!") and neither did I. One friend, who was a (very) casual fan (but did attend the Optical Race concert with our group), did call them New Age, and it was mostly to annoy me. Confused

John McLaughlin once wrote in to Keyboard to voice his concern about the burgeoning New Age market, all but chastising amateur musicians who were "poking pianos and synthesizers and releasing albums."

I'm giving Zeit a fresh revisit this weekend. It's been quite some time. Great write-up, Prof!

You know, I think McLaughlin's being a bit severe.  While a lot of it was indeed weak and cheesy, some really good stuff came out of those "new age" artists.  Others may disagree.

I concur he was being very severe, though I understand his perspective, considering his accomplishments. The mushrooming of the category is mostly to blame. My guess is he wandered into a New Age shop along the Californian coast (like Santa Cruz) and saw a rack full of tapes by artists he'd never heard of, and was accosted by the strains of tinkling plastic DX tones and wind FX, emanating from the store's speaker system. LOL

Originally posted by ProfPanglos ProfPanglos wrote:

I thought Andreas Vollenweider's Caverna Magica was a great album, and still do.  I really love a lot of the earlier Windham Hill stuff, like George Winston, Alex DeGrassi, William Ackerman, Shadowfax, and so on.

I had Vollenweider's Down to the Moon and played it a lot. I still need to get the remaster of that. I think it might have some extra music.

Shadowfax is awesome, and they do have fans here. They inevitably streamlined, but their early material is prog as far as I'm concerned. There's a great performance & interview video from the early '80s on YouTube where they tear it up. Chuck burns a solo on his EWI in the very first piece that probably sent a lot of reed players to Yamaha dealers. And Phil Maggini is an excellent bassist.

Originally posted by ProfPanglos ProfPanglos wrote:

I was a very early follower of the Windham Hill stuff, and actually saw George Winston (for the first time), in a high school auditorium with about 100 people in the audience.

George Winston is a tremendous pianist. There's nothing wimpy about his playing at all.

Another fine Windham Hill pianist is Liz Story, whose first four albums I love. Hers is a very different but no less evocative style.

And we must credit Windham Hill for introducing us to one of the greatest bassists of all time, Michael Manring!

Originally posted by ProfPanglos ProfPanglos wrote:

Suzanne Ciani got more popular/more noticed during that whole time period too, with Seven Waves and Velocity Of Love.

A perfect example of a pioneering artist who was marketed as New Age for lack of a proper category. Ciani's early synthesizer albums are top notch EM. In recent years, she's returned to her love for the Buchla and modular synthesis and made many wonderful electronic noises again. The Sunergy album with Kaitlyn Aurelia Smith was the best new music Ciani had made since The Velocity of Love.

Originally posted by ProfPanglos ProfPanglos wrote:

Another really great rarity (that I unfortunately no longer have) was an album by a dude named Darren Kearns - titled Optimal Being.  I've seen it occasionally on eBay... one of these days I'll get another copy.

That's a new one to me! Looks like it was never issued on CD. I sampled some of it on YT. He's got some nice gear on that. One piece reminds me of Phaedra.

One I know you'll like is one by Chris Spheeris & Paul Voudouris called Passage (1982). It's OOP, but it's on YouTube. Three longform pieces. An unsung gem!

Originally posted by ProfPanglos ProfPanglos wrote:

Another guy I like is Thierry Fervant.  Swiss, I think.  His albums Univers, Seasons Of Life, and Blue Planet are all enjoyable to me.

I've only heard Legends of Avalon. Another guy I need to hear more by!

Originally posted by ProfPanglos ProfPanglos wrote:

Thanks for the kind words on the write-up, and thanks for the conversation in general.  It's fun to talk TD with someone who knows as much or more about them than I do!

Likewise! It's been a while since I've seen a dedicated TD thread and this one's shaping up. Thumbs Up

Originally posted by ProfPanglos ProfPanglos wrote:

Edited to add:  Is the eBay link in your signature stuff from your own collection?  I saw Lucia Hwong's House Of Sleeping Beauties and Robert Schroeder's Brain Voyager in there and smiled... two albums I very much enjoy, though I haven't heard either of them in a looooong time.

Yeah, those are extras. I used to buy stuff in lots and sometimes I'd upgrade or swap out a pressing. I basically sell to buy more! I have my personal copies of those. Brain Voyager is just wonderful. Schroeder's got some others I like, but that's the one I keep coming back to. The last piece, "The Inside of Feelings," is one of his best.


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Posted By: ProfPanglos
Date Posted: October 09 2021 at 13:55
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Shadowfax is awesome, and they do have fans here. They inevitably streamlined, but their early material is prog as far as I'm concerned. There's a great performance & interview video from the early '80s on YouTube where they tear it up. Chuck burns a solo on his EWI in the very first piece that probably sent a lot of reed players to Yamaha dealers. And Phil Maggini is an excellent bassist.

Interesting tidbit:  My brother-in-law (RIP) Steve Izzi was a professional sound engineer on the East Coast from the '70's to the '90's.  He is credited as making the first recording of the lyricon.  I don't recall who the artist was, though.  He also assisted production for Birdsongs of the Mesozioc's Faultline.  Also did pro sound work for Boston Public Radio and the WWF.  An extremely talented, gentle, total audiophile and all-around great guy - I miss him.

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Another fine Windham Hill pianist is Liz Story, whose first four albums I love. Hers is a very different but no less evocative style.

The only one of hers that I have is Soild Colors - and always liked it a lot.

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

And we must credit Windham Hill for introducing us to one of the greatest bassists of all time, Michael Manring!

Manring's the man.  Definitely in my top 5 bassists list.  Here's my Michael Manring story: Being into all that WH stuff in the '80's, I took my girlfriend to a Montreaux concert (Higbie, Anger, Marshall, Manring, etc. - I'm sure you're familiar) which was held, of all places, at a small auditorium at my community college.  The band played energetically and flawlessly, but MM was keeping in the background, not getting fancy or out front with the bass.  Then, right before the intermission, the band said they were taking a break and Manring was going to play a fretless solo to close out the first half of the set.  (He was playing an Ernie Ball Music Man 4-string, nice tobacco sunburst.)  The solo was... well, you know Manring.  It was OUT OF THIS WORLD.  The crowd gave him a thunderous applause.  I'll never forget it, and it was all anyone was talking about during the intermission, LOL.

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

One I know you'll like is one by Chris Spheeris & Paul Voudouris called Passage (1982). It's OOP, but it's on YouTube. Three longform pieces. An unsung gem!

I have Enchantment on CD - I'll give Passage a listen!

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

I've only heard Legends of Avalon. Another guy I need to hear more by!

LMAO, when I posted about Thierry Fervant, I almost said "just don't get Legends of Avalon."  Haha.  I thought Legends was kind of weak.  The three I mentioned are all better, in my opinion, with my personal favorite being Seasons Of Life.  The original artwork to Seasons of Life had this crazy-looking baby doll thing on the cover, and a great pic of Thierry manning the helm of his synth rack in his studio on the back.  I seem to recall a Prophet 5 (or maybe a 10) in the pic.  A friend of mine was co-hosting a "Hearts of Space" radio show back in the early '80's, and asked me for a couple of lesser-known artists/albums to play, so I handed him Fervant's Seasons and Adelbert Von Deyen's Atmosphere.



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Posted By: ProfPanglos
Date Posted: October 09 2021 at 15:12
verslibre - Two other great EM albums I feel the need to mention (and am confident you will know them, if not own them) are:

Michael Garrison - In The Regions Of Sunreturn
Peter Michael Hamel - Nada

I consider those 2 albums essential.

Listening to Passage now, by the way, and am enjoying it very much... just starting the 2nd track now.


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Posted By: ProfPanglos
Date Posted: October 10 2021 at 11:15

Tangerine Dream

ATEM (1973)

Track List:  Atem  |  Fauni-Gena  |  Circulation Of Events  |  Wahn

The first album of the famous Froese/Franke/Baumann trio, and the last album on the Ohr label.  Also, their last album without the use of sequencers, as far as I know.

Atem:

The heavy use of drums - which took a brief departure on Zeit - is back in full force on this track, at least, in the beginning of the piece.  The track starts out with more structure and melody (again, using “melody” in a very loose sense), but after about 5 minutes in, the drumming and synth work build to a bit of cacophony before cutting out entirely around the 6 minute mark, where it goes back to a somewhat discordant spacy ambience.  This ambience ebbs and flows for several minutes.  The music takes a slightly ominous turn after 14+ minutes in, with the help of a lower-register synth or organ drone applied, and then that drone migrates to a slow minor-key phrase over the next few minutes.  At 17+ minutes, the drone drops out for a bit, it gets spacier, and a white-noise-ish rhythm comes in, and then the drone reappears.  Kind of a dark piece, in my mind – moody and a little spooky.  I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Fauni-Gena:

What strikes me almost immediately is the flute-like sound in the front of the mix.  It’s a distinctive sound/mood Tangerine Dream will continue to use for several years forward.  Synthesizer “bird” noises arrive in the background, along with some faint and sparse whispered voice noises.  A rhythmic low-register undertone begins around the 6 minute mark, helping the whole piece to… I don’t know how to put it – “burble” a bit more.  That low rhythm makes a more pronounced appearance in the last minute of the track, an almost sequencer-like groove.  Overall, a good piece, and fits in nicely with the mood of the first track.

Circulation Of Events:

This one remains in the same slightly discordant, ominous mood as the previous piece.  A cool, rhythmic pulsating organ & synth begins around the 4 minute mark.  It’s too bad that the piece ends only a minute or two later, I felt like it should’ve been longer.

Wahn:

Multiple weird processed voices start this one out.  The bizarre intro hearkens back a bit more to the style of Electronic Mediation.  The voices are joined by drum hits with some kind of delay on them.  The synth doesn’t make its entry until 2 minutes in, but the drums keep going throughout.  The distinctive flute-like sound mentioned in Fauni-Gena returns briefly to close out the piece.

 

Some thoughts on this re-listening:  Yeah, it’s definitely a good album (if you like weird, experimental electronic music, LOL - I wouldn't play it at a party).  I like the dark, overall mood of it, but I enjoyed Zeit more.



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Posted By: ProfPanglos
Date Posted: October 10 2021 at 14:18

Tangerine Dream

GREEN DESERT (1973/1986)

Track List:  Green Desert  |  White Clouds  |  Astral Voyager  |  Indian Summer

In the early 1980’s (maybe 1983 or 1984? – I can’t remember) I had written a fan letter to the band, and received a signed photograph of the band by Edgar, Christopher, and Johannes.  On the back side of the print was a discography, with “Green Desert” listed with a 1973 reference.  Having never heard of this album before, I was intrigued.

TD-knowledgeable record store clerks I talked to knew nothing about it.  In 1986, the box set In The Beginning was released, and included the “previously unreleased” Green Desert, which was the first time I heard this album.  I loved it.

From what I have read of this recording, it was the first TD material to use the sequencer/rhythm controller.  Apparently the original 1973 material was embellished with more contemporary synthesizer sounds/additional tracks before its release in the box set – and it *is* certainly more “accessible” than Atem before it, or Phaedra after it.  I suspect the original, unaltered Green Desert material was far more experimental than what was ultimately delivered to us in 1986.  I don’t know if an unadulterated version of the material exists.  If so, and if anyone has a copy of it, I’d love to hear it.

Peter Baumann had taken some kind of hiatus in India & Nepal at this time, so this was a duo Froese/Franke effort – which they scrapped (due to Baumann’s absence) after getting signed with Virgin records.

Most (if not all) discographies place this in 1986 due to its release date, but I’m putting it here now, because its birth was post-Atem 1973, and because I have a thin vein of rebellious iconoclasm.  Plus, according to Froese, “Green Desert should have come out before Phaedra. We'd just acquired our first analogue sequencer and were playing around with it, but we got an offer from Virgin Records to use their Manor Studios in 1973, so we abandoned those tapes and started from zero."

Green Desert:

For me, this piece is just “signature” Tangerine Dream at their coolest.  Though very simple, it ranks quite high in my personal list of favorite TD tracks.

It’s that low, ominous minor-key droning synth pad running the length of the long piece that really makes my socks roll up and down.  I just love it.  I have to suspect it was a 1986 addition, but it doesn’t matter – it’s brilliant.  Franke’s drums fade in with a slow rock-oriented beat (different from the previous drumming heard on Alpha Centauri and Atem) around the 4.5 minute mark, accentuated by low, single-note bass synth notes in-key with the drone.  Edgar’s electric guitar comes in at the 5.5 minute mark, far more melodic than anything heard previously (so again, possibly a 1986 addition?).  But its placement is perfect, and the slow groove continues its menacing advance without any hurry – the mood and feel is dead-center perfect, and they just roll with it for a while.  Franke’s drumming gets more “fill” filled at around the 10 minute mark, ratcheting up the tension and intensity.  The tension continues to build until we get to that catharsis moment at 15:27.  The concluding 3-4 minutes is a complimentary melodic closing to an altogether fantastic piece.

White Clouds:

A straightforward melodic piece, much more accessible and melodic than anything previously listened to so far.  Franke’s drumming is clearly 1973 material to me, but the main melodic parts sound very mid-80’s.  It’s actually a bit of a boring piece, in my opinion.  It’s certainly listenable, and has a few brief similarities (especially toward the end) to the preceding track, but not nearly delivered with the same menacing atmosphere or muscle.

Astral Voyager:

The sequencer starts this piece out with a nice, pulsing, alternating chord change groove.  The track progresses without much change at all, other than increasing synth layers; Froese’s almost-signature “whistling” sound (familiar on Stuntman and Pinnacles) makes an appearance, surely an 80’s track addition.  I remember liking this track quite a bit when I first heard it, but to my current set of ears, it’s a bit uninteresting.

Indian Summer:

Plenty of white-noise whooshing, against a simple melodic phrase.  I’d be curious to know what, if anything, was 1973 material (other than the white noise).  Froese’s trademark whistling 1980’s synth sound comes in around the 2 minute mark, which definitely compliments and improves the piece a bit.  Again, like Astral Voyager and White Clouds, it just doesn’t move me much.

 

Some thoughts on this re-listening:  Side 1, the epic Green Desert title track, is what makes this album special and worthy to me.  Side 2 is music I can live without, but certainly very listenable.   



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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: October 10 2021 at 18:28
Originally posted by ProfPanglos ProfPanglos wrote:

Interesting tidbit:  My brother-in-law (RIP) Steve Izzi was a professional sound engineer on the East Coast from the '70's to the '90's.  He is credited as making the first recording of the lyricon.  I don't recall who the artist was, though.  He also assisted production for Birdsongs of the Mesozioc's Faultline.  Also did pro sound work for Boston Public Radio and the WWF.  An extremely talented, gentle, total audiophile and all-around great guy - I miss him.

That is awesome. Looks like your b-i-l has a Discogs entry:  https://www.discogs.com/artist/7078745-Steve-Izzi" rel="nofollow - Steve Izzi | Discography | Discogs

Originally posted by ProfPanglos ProfPanglos wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Another fine Windham Hill pianist is Liz Story, whose first four albums I love. Hers is a very different but no less evocative style.

The only one of hers that I have is Soild Colors - and always liked it a lot.

The next one, Unaccountable Effect, arrived a whopping three years later, but is as good if not better. If you get that one, you're set. Then her style begins to change.

Originally posted by ProfPanglos ProfPanglos wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

And we must credit Windham Hill for introducing us to one of the greatest bassists of all time, Michael Manring!

Manring's the man.  Definitely in my top 5 bassists list.  Here's my Michael Manring story: Being into all that WH stuff in the '80's, I took my girlfriend to a Montreaux concert (Higbie, Anger, Marshall, Manring, etc. - I'm sure you're familiar) which was held, of all places, at a small auditorium at my community college.  The band played energetically and flawlessly, but MM was keeping in the background, not getting fancy or out front with the bass.  Then, right before the intermission, the band said they were taking a break and Manring was going to play a fretless solo to close out the first half of the set.  (He was playing an Ernie Ball Music Man 4-string, nice tobacco sunburst.)  The solo was... well, you know Manring.  It was OUT OF THIS WORLD.  The crowd gave him a thunderous applause.  I'll never forget it, and it was all anyone was talking about during the intermission, LOL.

Wow. You saw Manring "at the beginning of the adventure"! That was when nobody had any idea he was Jaco Part Deux. Even in the video for "To Be," you can see the flourishes that indicate he's not your average friendly neighborhood bass player. NO surprise that his bass solo was the topic of choice during the intermission!

Montreux was great. I have a couple others by them, and the album by Barbara and Darol called Tideline. Beautiful music. Barbara's a very talented composer.

Originally posted by ProfPanglos ProfPanglos wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

I've only heard Legends of Avalon. Another guy I need to hear more by!

LMAO, when I posted about Thierry Fervant, I almost said "just don't get Legends of Avalon."  Haha.  I thought Legends was kind of weak.  The three I mentioned are all better, in my opinion, with my personal favorite being Seasons Of Life.  The original artwork to Seasons of Life had this crazy-looking baby doll thing on the cover, and a great pic of Thierry manning the helm of his synth rack in his studio on the back.  I seem to recall a Prophet 5 (or maybe a 10) in the pic.  A friend of mine was co-hosting a "Hearts of Space" radio show back in the early '80's, and asked me for a couple of lesser-known artists/albums to play, so I handed him Fervant's Seasons and Adelbert Von Deyen's Atmosphere.

Thumbs Up Atmosphere is killer! I hear you about Avalon. It's "fluffy" (I don't currently own it). I never got around to hearing more by him because of the lack of availability of his titles (and nobody I knew had any) — when the deluge via Private, LifeStyle, Audion and I.C. (etc.) happened, there was more than enough to go around. The one duo eXchange sort of reminded me of Fervant, but they had some tracks with more oomph. But each successive album by them proved to be disposable cotton candy contempo.


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Posted By: ProfPanglos
Date Posted: October 10 2021 at 19:02
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

That is awesome. Looks like your b-i-l has a Discogs entry:  https://www.discogs.com/artist/7078745-Steve-Izzi" rel="nofollow - Steve Izzi | Discography | Discogs

Thank you for sharing that!  He had a sound room in the basement of their house, which was mind-blowing.  Most audiophiles I knew had incredible hi-fi systems, but they were usually centered in the room against the wall.  His was the *entire giant wall* with a separate access room behind it to get to the miles of wiring.  I have been goofing around with synthesizers and original compositions myself since the mid-'80's, and he recorded/mixed some of my earlier stuff, too, for which I was mighty grateful!

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Montreux was great. I have a couple others by them, and the album by Barbara and Darol called Tideline. Beautiful music. Barbara's a very talented composer.

Tideline is a fantastic album, one of my favorite offerings from the label.  The only solo Higbie CD I have is Signs Of Life... which I bought at a second-hand store for probably something like $1, and ended up really liking it.

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Thumbs Up Atmosphere is killer!

It sure is.  I've never heard anything else by him, but remember seeing both Sternzeit and Nordborg in the record stores on occasion... I just never ended up buying them.  I'll have to check those out one of these days.


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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: October 11 2021 at 12:15
I think I forgot to comment on Michael Garrison and Peter Michael Hamel:

I have ItRoS, Prism, Eclipse, Aurora Dawn and (I think) The Rhythm of Life by Garrison. Love, love his music. Such a tragic end for a sorely underrated electronic musician.

Hamel...another guy whose discography I've not gone deep enough into! I've heard nothing of his before 1980, and what I've heard was solid. Looks like I missed his best works. I'll check out Nada.


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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: October 11 2021 at 17:10
Originally posted by ProfPanglos ProfPanglos wrote:

GREEN DESERT (1973/1986)

Track List:  Green Desert  |  White Clouds  |  Astral Voyager  |  Indian Summer

Monumental album. You covered it:

Originally posted by ProfPanglos ProfPanglos wrote:

Green Desert:

For me, this piece is just “signature” Tangerine Dream at their coolest.  Though very simple, it ranks quite high in my personal list of favorite TD tracks.

It’s that low, ominous minor-key droning synth pad running the length of the long piece that really makes my socks roll up and down.  I just love it.  I have to suspect it was a 1986 addition, but it doesn’t matter – it’s brilliant.  Franke’s drums fade in with a slow rock-oriented beat (different from the previous drumming heard on Alpha Centauri and Atem) around the 4.5 minute mark, accentuated by low, single-note bass synth notes in-key with the drone.  Edgar’s electric guitar comes in at the 5.5 minute mark, far more melodic than anything heard previously (so again, possibly a 1986 addition?).  But its placement is perfect, and the slow groove continues its menacing advance without any hurry – the mood and feel is dead-center perfect, and they just roll with it for a while.  Franke’s drumming gets more “fill” filled at around the 10 minute mark, ratcheting up the tension and intensity.  The tension continues to build until we get to that catharsis moment at 15:27.  The concluding 3-4 minutes is a complimentary melodic closing to an altogether fantastic piece.

Well said. I do think Edgar's guitar track was recorded ca. '85 or so, but it may have been based on an earlier idea. Either way, its restraint and retro-licious tone lends "Green Desert" another dimension that pairs well with that ominous bass drone. By keeping the proceedings much less busy than what we were used to at the time, there's an ambiguity intrinsic to the music that parallels the abstract title and the now legendary album cover photo.

Originally posted by ProfPanglos ProfPanglos wrote:

White Clouds:

Astral Voyager:

Indian Summer:

Some thoughts on this re-listening:  Side 1, the epic Green Desert title track, is what makes this album special and worthy to me.  Side 2 is music I can live without, but certainly very listenable.

I love Side B as a trio of abstractions that don't reprise Side A: we get a moody rocker, a minimalist sequencer piece, and a brilliant (and definitely new) ambient piece that wouldn't be out of place on the Flashpoint soundtrack!



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