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Topic: Who are the pioneers of female-fronted hard-rock?Posted By: cold103
Subject: Who are the pioneers of female-fronted hard-rock?
Date Posted: September 03 2021 at 17:41
Please tell me all of the pioneers of female-fronted hard-rock and female-fronted metal! I'm mainly interested in artists who were around before the year 2000. Thank you very much in advance!
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Date Posted: September 03 2021 at 17:44
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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: September 03 2021 at 17:47
Girl School and Joan Jett. I don't remember what The Runaways sounded like (her first band), but Jett on her own was into hard rock. Wendy Williams of The Plasmatics.
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 03 2021 at 17:50
Fanny
Runaways
Heart
Girlschool
Warlock
Posted By: cold103
Date Posted: September 03 2021 at 18:15
I like the song "Rebel Girl" by Bikini Kill, released in 1993, the song "Zombie" by The Cranberries released in 1994, the song "Seether" by Veruca Salt released in 1994, the song "Violet" by Hole released in 1994, the song "Suffocate Me" by Angelfish released in 1994.
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 03 2021 at 18:23
cold103 wrote:
Please tell me all of the pioneers of female-fronted hard-rock and female-fronted metal! I'm mainly interested in artists who were around before the year 2000. Thank you very much in advance!
before the year 2000?!
how is this "pioneers"?
Posted By: cold103
Date Posted: September 03 2021 at 18:24
The song "Vow" by Garbage released in 1995.
Posted By: cold103
Date Posted: September 03 2021 at 18:30
Cristi wrote:
before the year 2000?!
how is this "pioneers"?
I'm interested in artists from the 1990s too! The 1990s ended 21 years ago.
Posted By: cold103
Date Posted: September 03 2021 at 18:38
As far as I know, female-fronted metal began in 1995 when The Gathering released their album "Mandylion".
Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: September 03 2021 at 18:46
cold103 wrote:
As far as I know, female-fronted metal began in 1995 when The Gathering released their album "Mandylion".
You need to go back a lot further than that. Girlschool was considered a metal band, they were all female and they started sometime in the late 70's. There might have been others even before that.
Posted By: Progishness
Date Posted: September 03 2021 at 23:02
TCat wrote:
cold103 wrote:
As far as I know, female-fronted metal began in 1995 when The Gathering released their album "Mandylion".
You need to go back a lot further than that. Girlschool was considered a metal band, they were all female and they started sometime in the late 70's. There might have been others even before that.
At the front end of the 70's you had Fanny & Birtha who were all female rock bands, plus the blues rock bands Vinegar Joe and Stone the Crows who were female fronted (by Elkie Brooks and Maggie Bell Respectively).
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: September 04 2021 at 00:35
Ann and Nancy Wilson............Please close this thread now.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 04 2021 at 01:03
How about the foxy glam rockers, Vixen?
Posted By: Progishness
Date Posted: September 04 2021 at 01:17
^Works for me!
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Posted By: Progishness
Date Posted: September 04 2021 at 01:20
I forgot to mention heavy prog band http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1923" rel="nofollow - Babe Ruth , fronted by the lovely Jenny Haan, and here in the archives.
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Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: September 04 2021 at 01:21
The first person that came to my mind was Suzi Quatro.
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Posted By: Progishness
Date Posted: September 04 2021 at 01:24
I prophesy disaster wrote:
The first person that came to my mind was Suzi Quatro.
Indeed... and one of my teenage crushes, along with Sonja Kristina, and Melanie Safka.
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Posted By: cold103
Date Posted: September 04 2021 at 01:37
Thanks a lot for all of the artist/band mentions so far, guys! Keep them coming!
Catcher10 wrote:
Ann and Nancy Wilson............Please close this thread now.
No, don't close it! I'm actually interested in all of the great bands from the beginning to the year 2000! :)
Posted By: Progishness
Date Posted: September 04 2021 at 01:41
Slightly more obscure from the early 70's https://www.discogs.com/artist/1866919-Mama-Lion" rel="nofollow - Mama Lion a hard blues rock band fronted by the gorgeous Lynn Carey existed briefly, and made a couple of very decent albums.
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Posted By: Progishness
Date Posted: September 04 2021 at 02:01
If it is of interest to the OP, an extensive discussion already exists regarding the wonderful http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=126043" rel="nofollow - ladies of prog .
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Posted By: cold103
Date Posted: September 04 2021 at 02:10
Progishness wrote:
If it is of interest to the OP, an extensive discussion already exists regarding the wonderful http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=126043" rel="nofollow - ladies of prog .
Oh, thank you for that! But it doesn't have to be prog. But I'll check out that thread! :) Renaissance and Mostly Autumn are cool, but they don't seem to have the hard/heavy sound that I'm looking for. I'm more into hard-rock and metal. :)
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: September 04 2021 at 02:49
cold103 wrote:
As far as I know, female-fronted metal began in 1995 when The Gathering released their album "Mandylion".
Taking only metal into consideration you've got the already mentioned Doro/Warlock, but there's also a few 1980's thrash metal bands such as:
Acid. An overlooked Belgian, pioneering thrash/speed metal-band. This song/album is from 1983, released six months prior to Kill 'Em All. Kate De Lombaert deserves legendary status:
Znöwhite - debuted on EP in 1984, this is from their only full-length 1988:
Détente, 1986
Holy Moses debuted in 1986 (but this track is from 1987)
The Great Kat, EP-release in 1986, this track is from her debutalbum in 1987:
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: September 04 2021 at 03:03
Perhaps Janis but most likley Ann and Nancy Wilson
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 04 2021 at 03:09
cold103 wrote:
As far as I know, female-fronted metal began in 1995 when The Gathering released their album "Mandylion".
all the bands I mentioned (others as well) were from the 70s and 80s.
I can go even further back in time with Janis Joplin, Jefferson Airplane (Grace Slick)
I'm happy you listen to The Gathering, but there were many other female artists before Anneke.
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 04 2021 at 03:15
Saperlipopette! wrote:
cold103 wrote:
As far as I know, female-fronted metal began in 1995 when The Gathering released their album "Mandylion".
Taking only metal into consideration you've got the already mentioned Doro/Warlock, but there's also a few 1980's thrash metal bands such as:
Acid. An overlooked Belgian, pioneering thrash/speed metal-band. This is from 1983. Six months prior to Kill 'Em All. Kate De Lombaert deserves legendary status:
Znöwhite - debuted in on EP in 1984, this is from their only full-length 1988:
Détente, 1986
Holy Moses debuted in 1986 (but this track is from 1987)
The Great Kat, EP-release in 1986, this track is from her debutalbum in 1987:
excellent post.
Posted By: Progishness
Date Posted: September 04 2021 at 04:09
cold103 wrote:
Progishness wrote:
If it is of interest to the OP, an extensive discussion already exists regarding the wonderful http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=126043" rel="nofollow - ladies of prog .
Oh, thank you for that! But it doesn't have to be prog. But I'll check out that thread! :) Renaissance and Mostly Autumn are cool, but they don't seem to have the hard/heavy sound that I'm looking for. I'm more into hard-rock and metal. :)
For a female fronted band with a heavier prog sound then definitely check out Babe Ruth as I mentioned earlier in the thread.
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Posted By: Progishness
Date Posted: September 04 2021 at 04:15
Cristi wrote:
cold103 wrote:
As far as I know, female-fronted metal began in 1995 when The Gathering released their album "Mandylion".
all the bands I mentioned (others as well) were from the 70s and 80s.
I can go even further back in time with Janis Joplin, Jefferson Airplane (Grace Slick)
I'm happy you listen to The Gathering, but there were many other female artists before Anneke.
Grace and Janis were certainly the pioneering ladies of hard rock singing - I'm struggling to think of anyone before them to be honest, and we are now as far back as the mid 1960's.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 04 2021 at 04:28
Carol Grimes' Delivery deserves a mention too, although they're more of a Blues Rock band than Hard Rock.
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: September 04 2021 at 05:03
Cristi wrote:
excellent post.
Thanks!
Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: September 04 2021 at 05:32
"Pioneers of female-fronted hard-rock" definitely goes to Fanny. No question. I saw these girls a couple of times back in 1971 and they were awesome live.
Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: September 04 2021 at 05:44
Special mention to lead singer Jinx Dawson and her band Coven from the late 60s/early 70s.
From Wikipedia (note the name of the bass player and the song):
Coven was composed of vocalist Esther "Jinx" Dawson, bassist Greg "Oz" Osborne, guitarist Chris Neilsen, keyboardist Rick Durrett (later replaced by John Hobbs), and drummer Steve Ross. They are recognized by metal fans and metal historians as being the band that introduced the "Sign of the horns" to rock, metal and pop culture (as seen on their 1969 debut album release Witchcraft Destroys Minds & Reaps Souls, which has an opening track called "Black Sabbath").
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: September 04 2021 at 05:50
dwill123 wrote:
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this is the band that came to mind for me as well.
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: September 04 2021 at 05:58
Jucifer (from Athens GA) is one I don’t think has been mentioned yet. Started in the 90s. Metal duo with Amber Valentine on guitar & vocals and her husband on drums. Quite rockin’ and eclectic. They did a double concept album about the French Revolution (L' Autrichienne) that’s all over the place.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 04 2021 at 06:42
^^^ It's a very bizarre and bewitching coincidence that Coven and Black Sabbath both had members named Oz/Ozzy Osbourne, as well as "Black Sabbath" being the first track on both of their debut albums. Spooky!
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 04 2021 at 07:15
Heavy/speed metal band Messiah Force, with great female vocals, 1987
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 04 2021 at 07:22
Inga Rumpf (Atlantis, Frumpy)
Atlantis, 1972
Frumpy, 1971
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: September 04 2021 at 07:54
Also, some more old school heavy metal from Bitch and their debut EP Damnation Alley from 1982 (Betsy end her band album-debuted with Be my Slave in '83):
Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: September 04 2021 at 08:11
Oh wow. I remember Bitch. My old college roommate (80s) had a cassette with their cover of Elton John's "The Bitch Is Back". Had not heard or thought of them since.
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 04 2021 at 08:11
Lee Aaron, 1984
Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: September 04 2021 at 08:16
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
^^^ It's a very bizarre and bewitching coincidence that Coven and Black Sabbath both had members named Oz/Ozzy Osbourne, as well as "Black Sabbath" being the first track on both of their debut albums. Spooky!
It was news to Tony Iommi in 1986.
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: September 04 2021 at 10:55
cold103 wrote:
Thanks a lot for all of the artist/band mentions so far, guys! Keep them coming!
Catcher10 wrote:
Ann and Nancy Wilson............Please close this thread now.
No, don't close it! I'm actually interested in all of the great bands from the beginning to the year 2000! :)
No worries......Except you mentioned "pioneers". Ann and Nancy Wilson formed Heart in 1967, pretty much all other female fronted hard rock bands came afterwards. I promise you every one of these bands will cite Heart as the reason they started.
Not sure anyone has mentioned Girlschool....saw them open for Scorpions in 1982.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 04 2021 at 10:59
Catcher10 wrote:
Not sure anyone has mentioned Girlschool....saw them open for Scorpions in 1982.
we'd be pretty ignorant if we did not mention Girlschool by page 3 of this thread.
I mentioned them as well as several others.
Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: September 04 2021 at 12:44
Cristi wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
Not sure anyone has mentioned Girlschool....saw them open for Scorpions in 1982.
we'd be pretty ignorant if we did not mention Girlschool by page 3 of this thread.
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: September 04 2021 at 13:49
Easy Money wrote:
Cristi wrote:
TCat wrote:
Cristi wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
Not sure anyone has mentioned Girlschool....saw them open for Scorpions in 1982.
we'd be pretty ignorant if we did not mention Girlschool by page 3 of this thread.
I mentioned them as well as several others.
The funny thing is, I mentioned them on page 1
exactly
I mentioned them first.
I guess you all should tar and feather me then, for mentioning a band that has been mentioned already. As if THAT has never happened before.....Sheesh
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 04 2021 at 15:02
Catcher10 wrote:
Easy Money wrote:
Cristi wrote:
TCat wrote:
Cristi wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
Not sure anyone has mentioned Girlschool....saw them open for Scorpions in 1982.
we'd be pretty ignorant if we did not mention Girlschool by page 3 of this thread.
I mentioned them as well as several others.
The funny thing is, I mentioned them on page 1
exactly
I mentioned them first.
I guess you all should tar and feather me then, for mentioning a band that has been mentioned already. As if THAT has never happened before.....Sheesh
no harm done, but you have not read anything the others wrote on this thread,
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: September 04 2021 at 16:04
Cristi wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
Easy Money wrote:
Cristi wrote:
TCat wrote:
Cristi wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
Not sure anyone has mentioned Girlschool....saw them open for Scorpions in 1982.
we'd be pretty ignorant if we did not mention Girlschool by page 3 of this thread.
I mentioned them as well as several others.
The funny thing is, I mentioned them on page 1
exactly
I mentioned them first.
I guess you all should tar and feather me then, for mentioning a band that has been mentioned already. As if THAT has never happened before.....Sheesh
no harm done, but you have not read anything the others wrote on this thread,
No I did, my first post was on page 1. This is not the only music site I go to. So forgive me if I forget what may have been posted 20 hours ago. I did say I was "not sure".....
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: September 04 2021 at 17:23
Cristi wrote:
Fanny
Runaways
Heart
Girlschool
Warlock
Fanny & Birtha - we're talking 69 to 73, here.
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Posted By: Progishness
Date Posted: September 10 2021 at 06:29
Saperlipopette! wrote:
Also, some more old school heavy metal from Bitch and their debut EP Damnation Alley from 1982 (Betsy end her band album-debuted with Be my Slave in '83):
They must have passed me by back in the day - I am suitably impressed with this recommendation.
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: September 10 2021 at 06:52
Catcher10 wrote:
cold103 wrote:
Thanks a lot for all of the artist/band mentions so far, guys! Keep them coming!
Catcher10 wrote:
Ann and Nancy Wilson............Please close this thread now.
No, don't close it! I'm actually interested in all of the great bands from the beginning to the year 2000! :)
No worries......Except you mentioned "pioneers". Ann and Nancy Wilson formed Heart in 1967, pretty much all other female fronted hard rock bands came afterwards. I promise you every one of these bands will cite Heart as the reason they started.
Grace Slick in Jefferson Airplane in 1965 & Janis Joplin in Big Brother & The Holding Company in 1966 have to be mentioned alongside Heart and pre-date them.
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Posted By: Progishness
Date Posted: September 10 2021 at 06:56
mathman0806 wrote:
Special mention to lead singer Jinx Dawson and her band Coven from the late 60s/early 70s.
From Wikipedia (note the name of the bass player and the song):
Coven was composed of vocalist Esther "Jinx" Dawson, bassist Greg "Oz" Osborne, guitarist Chris Neilsen, keyboardist Rick Durrett (later replaced by John Hobbs), and drummer Steve Ross. They are recognized by metal fans and metal historians as being the band that introduced the "Sign of the horns" to rock, metal and pop culture (as seen on their 1969 debut album release Witchcraft Destroys Minds & Reaps Souls, which has an opening track called "Black Sabbath").
Another band that had previously passed me by - so far I'm liking what I'm hearing.
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