Not Running out of Camel
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Topic: Not Running out of Camel
Posted By: SuperMetro
Subject: Not Running out of Camel
Date Posted: August 31 2021 at 16:06
| Nevermind, this thread is silly, there is still more and more Camel to come across. |
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 31 2021 at 16:30
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Even if you run out of Camel, there are others that might fill that hump. When you've run through Camel, if you haven't already checked it out, you may wish to try Caravan. From there you might get into lots of Canterbury Scene, Khan's Space Shanty, Egg and others ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: August 31 2021 at 16:30
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Have you heard Rain Dances? It's my personal favorite. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: August 31 2021 at 16:50
Caravan are similar at times but not sure about the others. Pink Floyd and Genesis are similar at times too but I would be surprised if the OP doesn't know them.
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Logan wrote:Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: August 31 2021 at 16:55
That's crazy talk. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: August 31 2021 at 17:00
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I Can See Your House From Here has been a disappointment to many (although I think that Ice is stunning), but they did some more good ones before (Rain Dances, Duke; I also like Breathless but you may not) and after (Stationary Traveller, Harbour of Tears, Rajaz, A Nod and A Wink, maybe you also will like Dust and Dreams). The German band Anyone's Daughter has some Camel vibes in my view.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 31 2021 at 17:05
Yeah, I was thinking after Caravan one might wish to explore more of the Canterbury Scene, then those might be some more accessible Canterbury Scene ones to get into. Gong Shamal might be a good one. And to not mention one as Canterbury Scene, Renaissance would I think appeal to many into Camel. But the OP may well know it already. And in Prog Folk, Gryphon. Aside from the first four albums by Camel, I agree with verslibre that Rain Dances is worth checking out if you haven't already. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: August 31 2021 at 17:07
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: August 31 2021 at 20:07
| Those are the same albums I have... though I have a The Snow Goose within the live album A Live Record... that one is good too. I also have a compilation album called Moonmadness... and it actually made me feel the same as you, that they did their best on their first 4 albums, before they started changing members. So, you might still find something to love from their first album. I have read many times that their album Rajaz is very good too, though I have not gotten to buying it, but I would like to get that one, plus the live album from around the same time, Coming of Age. |
Posted By: SuperMetro
Date Posted: August 31 2021 at 20:08
| I have tried Caravan, they are awesome. I feel that Richard Sinclair's voice might also help out Camel, but I hope those two albums are not whimpers. |
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: August 31 2021 at 20:19
I believe AD was sometimes referred to as the German Camel Lots of good stuff to enjoy on later albums. I thought they did pop very well at times, like on Stationary Traveller, though that's more new wave meets prog A group that started out as Camel idolatry actually did put out one album that I consider excellent, is Mirage |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: September 01 2021 at 00:38
| I agree with the OP. The first 3 or 4 albums are great then it goes down quite a bit. Much like PFM who had a massive creative burst at the beginning of their career then an ocean of nothing special. I own the much vaunted Rajaz but it doesn't do much for me tbh. Need to check out Rain Dances properly but what I've heard doesn't impress. |
Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: September 01 2021 at 00:56
| I actually think there are plenty of good albums after the first four Camel albums. ICSYHFH has my personal favourite Camel track "Ice" while Breathless is my favourite Camel album. Then there's Stationary Traveler and Nude from the 1980's which are two great albums. It doesn't end there. Harbour of Tears and Rajaz are also great. |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: September 01 2021 at 02:25
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Don't worry, there's much more warm and friendly progrock with somewhat weak vocals (that I like) to be discovered out there. The dutch Supersister (Supertwister is a tribute of sorts) first three albums should be on top of your list. |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 01 2021 at 09:19
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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: September 01 2021 at 09:19
------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 01 2021 at 09:46
I still think you should consider listening to Rain Dances, Breathless, Nude. Stationary Traveller and A Nod and a Wink. Also the live album On the Road 1972. A similar band to Camel I recommend is Ain Soph (from Japan).
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Posted By: SouthSideoftheSky
Date Posted: September 01 2021 at 09:47
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You do not run out of Camel until you have all of their albums including live albums. I would especially recommend their more recent live DVD releases, which are fantastic. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 01 2021 at 10:15
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Speaking of live albums, I love Camel's double-album A Live Record (1978), especially for the The Snow Goose (The Snow Goose is my favourite Camel studio album -- the original I mean). I read a review which loved the first half, but found the second half of A Live Record pointless, which is a version of The Snow Goose, so of course opinions vary. I love this: As another Canterbury Scene/ Sound suggestion, since sometimes Camel is lumped in with that scene/ sound or considered Canterbury Scene/ Sound related, Soft Machine is a favourite of mine, and Camel opened for Soft Machine and was an influence. The Jazz-Rock Brand X is one that I would think might well scratch some of that jazzy Camel itch. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: September 01 2021 at 11:14
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I do however understand that live material doesn't necessarily quench the thirst for new material. Just saying. |
Posted By: SouthSideoftheSky
Date Posted: September 01 2021 at 11:16
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Indeed, I'm hoping for a new Camel studio album. They were stunning live on the previous tour, so I see no reason the current line-up couldn't make another good studio record. It would be interesting to hear what Pete Jones could contribute
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 01 2021 at 11:24
It can give a sort of new appreciation to the material it utilises. And of course some lives have significant differences from the originals. Magma would be a prime case for me where I can get a quite different experience listening to the lives than the originals, and sometimes the lives will outshine the originals for me. In some cases I grew bored with the original (say, grew stale), but then upon hearing a live version the music sounded fresh to me and I gained new appreciation for the material. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: September 01 2021 at 11:34
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I am a rarity in that I prefer later Camel albums to the 70’s stuff. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: SuperMetro
Date Posted: September 01 2021 at 11:56
| I feel conflicted if I should listen to The Single Factor at all. There is a couple of tracks with Genesis's first guitarist on it and one track with Peter Bardens on it which baits me. But then, everyone thinks it is their worst album. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 01 2021 at 12:11
why don't you listen to it and see for yourself how good or how bad it is? |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 01 2021 at 12:22
Although The Single Factor is my least favourite Camel album, it's still a decent 3-star album and well-worth a listen in my opinion.  Selva (from The Single Factor) |
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: September 01 2021 at 12:23
| The Single Factor is definitely their poppiest so if you have a problem with Camel doing pop it's probably the worst choice. I tend to like when prog bands do pop so I like that album, though it is my least favourite by Camel. Note several members of Alan Parsons Project are also present and one track, "Heroes", sounds more like APP than Camel! I think they improved dramatically with the follow up Stationary Traveller. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: September 01 2021 at 20:07
It depends... I almost wish more that Pink Floyd would release a live album (or even better... and more difficult... video) from their animals tour than a new studio album (both of which seem just about as unlikely, though). |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: September 01 2021 at 20:34
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What are you tripping about? Just start smoking the cigarettes and yer good -------------  https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: September 01 2021 at 22:45
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Nude Rajaz ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: September 02 2021 at 00:08
I don't think there's one camel album under three stars. Maybe that's just me because I can think of at least one Pink Floyd album under three stars.
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Posted By: SuperMetro
Date Posted: September 02 2021 at 07:13
| I will just hear it to get it over with. |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 02 2021 at 07:50
I hope you don't get the hump with The Single Factor album. I think "Sasquatch" will help quash any rumours that it's not a good album, otherwise I've just put my Big Foot in it.  |
Posted By: The Anders
Date Posted: September 02 2021 at 18:54
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"Running out of Camel" sounds like something from Monty Python. |
Posted By: SuperMetro
Date Posted: September 02 2021 at 19:08
| So I heard most of the Single Factor, and disliked everything except for Heroes, Sasquatch, and also Selva. |
Posted By: SuperMetro
Date Posted: September 02 2021 at 19:17
| I think it might be weaker than I Can See Your House From Here, because it trends more low than ICSYHFH. However, there are bad Camel songs from those albums like Who We Are, Your Love is Stranger than Mine, Neon Magic, and also You Are The One, but nothing is worse than Remote Romance. Seriously, these are the geniuses behind classics like Lady Fantasy, A Song Within a Song, and well... ICE!!!! There is nothing REMOTEly interesting in that trainwreck of a song. while The Single Factor is weaker in terms of songs, it at least did no have no remote romance. I heard some of Dust and Dreams, and it sounded better than those two weak albums. Do not listen to those two albums if you are just a guy wanting to hear Camel. On my rating scale, those two albums are collectors/fans only. The 2-4 albums are Essential. The first one is Excellent, because it does not feel essential, but also as awesome as it's successors. I feel to listen to everything except for ICSYHFH and TSF. |
Posted By: SuperMetro
Date Posted: September 02 2021 at 19:23
| Well now my Camel conflict is resolved, now lets talk about. What Camel song is your least favorite? http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=127206&PID=5927704� |
Posted By: Beautiful Scarlet
Date Posted: September 02 2021 at 22:53
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What’s up don’t fear an end to Camel. Check out bands like Mirage, Greenslade, Supply Demand & Curve, Maelstrom etc. This is the archives, search and you will be rewarded, now go forth, consume till you can feast no more. ------------- Music Music Music |
Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: September 07 2021 at 13:11
How about A Heart's Desire/End Peace? I think it's a gorgeous piece of music, but other than that plus Heroes and Sasquatch it's a very sub par album. From the later output Rajaz and A Nod and a Wink are fantastic. You should check them out, and if you like them, also Harbour of Tears. ------------- http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA! 
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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: September 08 2021 at 11:03
------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: September 08 2021 at 11:10
I would say single factor is mostly for completionists. As a prog album it fails on most accounts, ofcourse, but as a pop album I've heard much worse and it's actually not that bad if you have the right mind set. It's certainly not an album for progsnobs though. I would also add "no easy answer" which I think is a good opener and probably just as good as "city life" from the previous album.
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Posted By: camelisawesome
Date Posted: September 10 2021 at 06:44
| Yup, Breathless/I can see your house from here are extremely poppy. But it was only because of pressure from the record label. They formed they're own record label in 1991 so they wouldn't have to deal with that. So try Dust and Dreams, or if you want something earlier that's still progressive I would suggest Nude. Now obviously nothing beats Moonmadness/The Snow Goose, but you can still find those progressive elements in they're later albums. (Once again, Dust and Dreams, Harbour of Tears, etc.) |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 10 2021 at 09:21
The nice thing about "No Easy Answer" and "City Life" is they're both tremendously catchy tunes with a memorable melody that I can hear playing in my head, but I couldn't say that about any of the songs on the Moonmadness album, even though it's my favourite Camel album by far.
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Posted By: SuperMetro
Date Posted: September 10 2021 at 09:27
Yeah, I guess that is why they called a song of theirs Pressure Points https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38fHaPrsOdY
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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: September 12 2021 at 10:11
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By the way, Today's Goodbye off Single Factor is, by Camel's standards, pretty pukey. Nice harmonies can't save it. ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: September 12 2021 at 17:48
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I happen to really like "You are the One". The verses are like "Lies", great bluesy feel with some searing guitar, and the chorus is a jarring shift that I came to enjoy. In fact, my college friends had to listen to me humming the little bridge between the verse and chorus followed by singing the chorus...then they were over and the song was on and they cracked up! They said it was much better than I had made it sound |
Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: September 13 2021 at 14:42
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check out Kaipa, particularly their first album ------------- “On the day of my creation, I fell in love with education. And overcoming all frustration, a teacher I became.” — Ernest Vong |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: September 13 2021 at 19:47
| ^ Or the newer Kaipa Do Capo, I think that's actually the one I have enjoyed the most (even if it's not exactly a proper Kaipa album). |
Posted By: dauinghorn
Date Posted: September 14 2021 at 03:39
| Asia Minor's album from 1980 is often mentioned in the same breath as Camel. Melodic, mellow at times, but also a bit more hectic and jazzy than Camel's "golden era". |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: September 18 2021 at 18:08
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Hi, I was thinking that most of us run out of money before being able to get all the stuff we want/need from CAMEL. I think I have somewhere along 12/13 albums, and NUDE is one of my favorites, and I got into the band via the "import" of the 2nd album that I bought because of the cover which was changed in the American release. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: SuperMetro
Date Posted: September 18 2021 at 20:53
| I think Breathless actually sounds pretty good, because the pop tracks sound more interesting. I am listening to it right now and I think that the Canterbury sound makes the album interesting. I like Richard Sinclair's vocals, with my favorite performance being the penultimate part from Nine Feet Underground by Caravan. Something that Breathless has and not ICSYHFH is that it has more of the upbeatness, while still being sort of like Camel. |
Posted By: SuperMetro
Date Posted: September 18 2021 at 20:56
| Although the lyrics in Breathless is pretty crappy, it is still a pretty good record due to the instrumentation. Camel's weak point is the lyrics however, I think their words are about to unfold with their music rather than their voices. Summer Lightning reminds me a bit of Winter Wine, my favorite side A track on In The Land of Grey and Pink. |
Posted By: Boojieboy
Date Posted: September 26 2021 at 22:18
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I like all of the Camels albums through Nude, though Breathless has some annoying parts to it. The later albums have shorter songs, but Andrew Latimer and Andy Ward are still providing the foundation. Skip over tracks if you need to, but don't miss out the goods still mixed in. Open your mind. Still good stuff there.
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Posted By: MundoReviews
Date Posted: September 29 2021 at 14:22
| its more of a you problem than camel, i can see your house from here is a great album top to bottom, fact not an opinion, just thinking about the album made me put on the legendary Wait, dont even get me started on ice and kit watkins, imagine calling i can see your house from here weak, that could never be me! |
Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: September 30 2021 at 08:14
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I'm with (Very Camel-like artist from Ukraine.) Someone already mentioned Asia Minor - another great recommendation!!! ------------- The Prog Corner |
Posted By: SuperMetro
Date Posted: December 03 2021 at 22:05
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Bump - I have now heard the first 7 albums at least once. Everything was good except ICSYHFH. However, all of them had a great song on there. First album had Never Let Go, Mirage had all the tracks with "Lady Fantasy" being the obvious masterpiece for the group, Snow Goose was a great idea for music with my favorite part being either the Rhayader or Dunkirk parts, Moonmadness had a ton of tracks, but my mood foes for Another Night, Rain Dances, perhaps Uneven Song or one of the 5 instrumentals! My favorite track on Breathless is The Sleeper, and ICSYHFH is obviously Ice. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: December 04 2021 at 02:31
Nude and Stationary Traveller also deserve to be heard IMHO. I find them both excellent.
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: December 04 2021 at 16:12
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Looking back, Camel was my entry point to all the Canterbury stuff, via the R Sinclair connection. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |