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Topic: The most consistently good band
Posted By: timothy leary
Subject: The most consistently good band
Date Posted: August 09 2021 at 10:01
Nemo has to be  high on the list. Can you offer your choices?



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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: August 09 2021 at 10:37
Univers Zero

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Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: August 09 2021 at 10:49
Flower Kings and Transatlantic

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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: August 09 2021 at 10:51
I think if you look at Jethro Tull from 1968 to 1980, they released consistently good to great albums every year, from This Was all the way to A. And with the release of the boxed sets that include numerous songs that never made it on studio releases, that makes that run all the more remarkable.

This Was (1968)
Stand Up (1969)
Benefit (1970)
Aqualung (1971)
Thick as a Brick (1972)
Living in the Past (1972)
A Passion Play (1973)
War Child (1974)
Minstrel in the Gallery (1975)
Too Old to Rock and Roll (1976)
Songs from the Wood (1977)
Heavy Horses (1978)
Storm Watch (1979)
A (1980)



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Posted By: projeKct
Date Posted: August 09 2021 at 11:42
Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Flower Kings and Transatlantic
I must agree for TFK !!!


Posted By: Progmind
Date Posted: August 09 2021 at 11:54
Cardiacs
Univers Zero
XTC
Anekdoten
Bark psychosis


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: August 09 2021 at 12:03
Fates Warning
Threshold
Marillion
IQ
Rush
Spock's Beard
Riverside


Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: August 09 2021 at 12:23
Steely Dan
Thinking Plague
John Zorn's Simulacrum

Univers Zero and Cardiacs already mentioned, but good picks.

I discount bands that make the same album over and over again (even if it is a good one) and also those with a small discography (fewer than seven studio albums; arbitrary I know).

I was tempted to add Magma, but although I don't dislike Merci the way many do, it's still not on a par with their other work.


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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: August 09 2021 at 12:43
King Crimson
Univrs Zero 

Magma and VDGG come close. Agalloch is also stellar across the board but only have 5 albums. 


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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: August 09 2021 at 12:55
Originally posted by Progmind Progmind wrote:

Cardiacs
Univers Zero
XTC
Anekdoten
Bark psychosis

Cardiacs & XTC are a good shout.


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Posted By: Cboi Sandlin
Date Posted: August 09 2021 at 13:30
Pink Floyd, they were good all the way through, though they were much less good at the end of their existence


Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: August 09 2021 at 13:35
Univers Zero and Art Zoyd have never let me down. I'm also yet to find a weak Cardiacs album.


Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: August 09 2021 at 13:37
Death, Atheist, Opeth, King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard, Haken, Harmonium, Wobbler, Enslaved, and from everything i've heard so far, Steve Hillage. Even though Gentle Giant had an anticlimactic ending to their career, their run from Debut-Interview is near perfection, and I even like Missing Piece.

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Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: August 09 2021 at 13:40
XTC
Nemo/JPL
Deerhoof


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Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: August 09 2021 at 13:58
For me, Van der Graaf Generator had only one studio album that wasn't good during their entire career (ALT). And within their albums, the quality is generally high throughout.
 



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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: August 09 2021 at 13:59
Rush
Porcupine Tree
JTull
The Flower Kings
The Pineapple Thief
Riverside
Marillion
CAN


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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: August 09 2021 at 14:22
I suppose not all that many will agree with me, but these are the ones I can think of that made almost nothing but great music for more than ten years:
Kraftwerk 1970-1986
The Residents 1972-1984
Art Zoyd 1976-1987
Magma 1970-1981

Other than that: The Necks, Embryo, Peter Hammill/VdGG, Univers Zero, Egisto Macchi, Bolt Thrower, Can, Radiohead, Mal Waldron, Popol Vuh, McCoy Tyner, Robbie Basho...




Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 09 2021 at 16:29
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

I think if you look at Jethro Tull from 1968 to 1980, they released consistently good to great albums every year, from This Was all the way to A. And with the release of the boxed sets that include numerous songs that never made it on studio releases, that makes that run all the more remarkable.
This Was (1968)
Stand Up (1969)
Benefit (1970)
Aqualung (1971)
Thick as a Brick (1972)
Living in the Past (1972)
A Passion Play (1973)
War Child (1974)
Minstrel in the Gallery (1975)
Too Old to Rock and Roll (1976)
Songs from the Wood (1977)
Heavy Horses (1978)
Storm Watch (1979)
A (1980)

The correct answer.




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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: August 09 2021 at 16:46
DJAM KARET — they do heavy prog, they do ambient, they do pastoral, they do symph — no one style can box these guys in.

GOBLIN — apart from the bizarre, if fleeting, detour that is the album Volo, every soundtrack and original record has something to offer, and some of them — like Dawn of the DeadRoller and Suspiria — are undisputed classics.

KENSO — one of the best bands of the last forty years, period.

KING CRIMSON — self-explanatory.

ZOMBI — every album is a winner. Every. One.

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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: August 09 2021 at 17:20
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

 Art Zoyd 1976-1987
 

I surely wouldn't stop in 1987; these days I'd even rate Häxan, Metropolis, and Phase V over anything they did before (that may be just my weird taste though). I really take all they did from beginning to end (OK I don't know whether I'll spin Pure Noise again but otherwise...)


Posted By: Larks in Aspic
Date Posted: August 09 2021 at 18:19
The only ones that come to mind is Cerberus Shoal and Etron Fou Leloublan

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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: August 09 2021 at 19:58
For me it's got to be Pink Floyd. I really like just about all their albums, and there are very few songs I actually dislike (though, of course not all songs and albums are as brilliant as the best ones). Actually, even their "bad" albums end up being enjoyable for me.


Posted By: Progishness
Date Posted: August 09 2021 at 22:59
Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

For me it's got to be Pink Floyd. I really like just about all their albums, and there are very few songs I actually dislike (though, of course not all songs and albums are as brilliant as the best ones). Actually, even their "bad" albums end up being enjoyable for me.


To me Pink Floyd were consistently different too as no two albums sound especially similar, with the exception of the post-Waters era stuff. They did have their low points (More, MLR) but they are still better albums than what most other bands could manage in my opinion.


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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: August 09 2021 at 23:20
Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

Death, Atheist, Opeth, King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard, Haken, Harmonium, Wobbler, Enslaved, and from everything i've heard so far, Steve Hillage. Even though Gentle Giant had an anticlimactic ending to their career, their run from Debut-Interview is near perfection, and I even like Missing Piece.

Mad bonus points to you for Death, Atheist, Hramonium, and GG!

I'll add:
  • Gorguts
  • Nocturnus
  • Spastic Ink


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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: August 10 2021 at 00:06
Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

 Art Zoyd 1976-1987
 

I surely wouldn't stop in 1987; these days I'd even rate Häxan, Metropolis, and Phase V over anything they did before (that may be just my weird taste though). I really take all they did from beginning to end (OK I don't know whether I'll spin Pure Noise again but otherwise...)
No I should have specified - that first list of four bands was in regards as to for how long they released a string of virtually flawless albums = I think Berlin from 1987 is great, but Nosferatu, 1990 is their first weak album (its OK, though)... Magma Retrospektïẁ I - II = their last great releases before the much weaker Merci etc... but like you I love plenty of later albums by both. 


Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: August 10 2021 at 00:49
From the old days - King Crimson
Nowadays - Mastodon

(This is my superficial, 1-minute answer; Obviously, I adore both bands and I honestly believe they are shockingly consistent)


Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: August 10 2021 at 01:08
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

I think if you look at Jethro Tull from 1968 to 1980, they released consistently good to great albums every year, from This Was all the way to A. And with the release of the boxed sets that include numerous songs that never made it on studio releases, that makes that run all the more remarkable.

This Was (1968)
Stand Up (1969)
Benefit (1970)
Aqualung (1971)
Thick as a Brick (1972)
Living in the Past (1972)
A Passion Play (1973)
War Child (1974)
Minstrel in the Gallery (1975)
Too Old to Rock and Roll (1976)
Songs from the Wood (1977)
Heavy Horses (1978)
Storm Watch (1979)
A (1980)


Breathtaking, incredible run. 


Posted By: Sacro_Porgo
Date Posted: August 10 2021 at 01:44
I think the answer to this question has to be a band that not only has no bad records, but also has fans struggling to name a record that's even sub-par for them. That's what I take consistent to mean in this case.

And that makes it a very difficult question indeed. As a Queen superfan, I can say I don't think they have any bad records, but none that are sub par? That's a different story. 

The question also implies that a band has a decently long recording career, effectively ruling out those one-and-done RPI greats. I wonder... this is probably controversial and tbf I haven't listened to every album, but perhaps Dream Theater qualifies? I realize The Astonishing is a big sticking point with a lot of fans, but that is one I have listened to, and I think it's great! Not quite at the level of their best albums, but I don't find it anywhere near reprehensible like many seem to. I guess that's the answer I'm going with. Until I hear a sub-par Dream Theater album anyway.


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Posted By: Sacro_Porgo
Date Posted: August 10 2021 at 01:50
I saw someone mention Radiohead in passing earlier. They've actually got a really strong case I think. Even the "dud," The King Of Limbs, was just a case of overhype and the band taking a left turn where people expected a right. If you sit down and let it sink in it's really good. And everything else ranges from great (Pablo Honey, Hail To The Thief) to generation defining (OK Computer, Kid A).

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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: August 10 2021 at 02:42
King Crimson - Even their relatively weak albums from the 80's are still very good. Their initial run from ITCOTCK to Red was superb.

XTC - Although still 'finding their sound' on the first two albums, everything from Drums & Wires to Apple Venus Vol 1 was incredible. The never put a foot wrong IMO.

Opeth - I really took to this band some years ago. They have moments of excellence but overall, they've never made a weak album.

VDGG - Always good quality, even in the later years they were at least very good.

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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: August 10 2021 at 04:44
Originally posted by Sacro_Porgo Sacro_Porgo wrote:

I saw someone mention Radiohead in passing earlier. They've actually got a really strong case I think. Even the "dud," The King Of Limbs, was just a case of overhype and the band taking a left turn where people expected a right. If you sit down and let it sink in it's really good. And everything else ranges from great (Pablo Honey, Hail To The Thief) to generation defining (OK Computer, Kid A).

Radiohead is a good call, I don't get onboard until The Bends but from that point onwards everything is great or better.


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Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: August 10 2021 at 05:01
I’d add IQ and Magenta to the list - dip into any album in their catalogues and you’ll find much to enjoy, even with personnel changes. Very consistent.
Big Big Train’s run of albums, from The Underfall Yard has been very consistent too.


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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: August 10 2021 at 08:06
Pendragon have yet to produce a duff album (imo) and their last album was quite possibly their best and that's after a 40 year career.


Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: August 10 2021 at 08:41
^'Love Over Fear' was indeed excellent!


Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: August 10 2021 at 08:42
Without a doubt.......

THE SHAGGS!!!




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Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: August 10 2021 at 08:43
Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Without a doubt.......

THE SHAGGS!!!


LOL. Good call. Tongue


Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: August 10 2021 at 08:50
Steely Dan (last 2 after hiatus are hit or miss)
XTC (not a bad lp imho)
Tull (a few clunkers here and there in later years)
King Crimson (Beat and Pair being hit or miss)
Led Zep (Coda being the exception)
The Beatles ( some 'filler' on White)
The Who (until 1980)
Wobbler (they only have 5 but are all very good)
Zappa &Mothers (up t0 the early 80's they are all good)
Beefheart (other than 2 duds in 1974)





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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 10 2021 at 10:47
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Steely Dan (last 2 after hiatus are hit or miss)
XTC (not a bad lp imho)
Tull (a few clunkers here and there in later years)
King Crimson (Beat and Pair being hit or miss)
Led Zep (Coda being the exception)
The Beatles ( some 'filler' on White)
The Who (until 1980)
Wobbler (they only have 5 but are all very good)
Zappa &Mothers (up t0 the early 80's they are all good)
Beefheart (other than 2 duds in 1974)



Very Good list. I'll throw in Renaissance to prog it up a bit.

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Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: August 10 2021 at 11:47
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Steely Dan (last 2 after hiatus are hit or miss)
The standard of the first seven albums is unimpeachable - not a single dud track on any of them, I'd say. I actually feel the same way about Two Against Nature though I know many don't (and the title track is the one I like the least). Everything Must Go is, I have to admit, a bit of a falling off.

Still, that run from 1972 to 1980, bloody hell.




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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: August 10 2021 at 12:13
Jimi Hendrix


Posted By: Sacro_Porgo
Date Posted: August 10 2021 at 12:39
Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Jimi Hendrix

Man I wish he'd been around longer. Vertible genius, and he would've just thrived in the 70s.


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Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: August 10 2021 at 13:21
Opeth, Pendragon, Gentle Giant, Radiohead, and Wobbler may all qualify, but, then, nobody's perfect.




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Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: August 10 2021 at 13:55
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

King Crimson - Even their relatively weak albums from the 80's are still very good. Their initial run from ITCOTCK to Red was superb.

XTC - Although still 'finding their sound' on the first two albums, everything from Drums & Wires to Apple Venus Vol 1 was incredible. The never put a foot wrong IMO.

Opeth - I really took to this band some years ago. They have moments of excellence but overall, they've never made a weak album.

VDGG - Always good quality, even in the later years they were at least very good.

I love those first two albums. Barry Andrews brought it!!! Fripp paid attention...


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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: August 10 2021 at 14:39
These come to mind (minimum of five albums):

King Crimson
Magenta
Thinking Plague
IZZ (if you exclude the Ampersand outtake albums)
Nexus
The Tangent
Anekdoten

I think I could come up with more, but there are so many bands where I haven't listened to their entire output it wouldn't be fair to add them.


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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: August 10 2021 at 20:46
Originally posted by Progishness Progishness wrote:

Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

For me it's got to be Pink Floyd. I really like just about all their albums, and there are very few songs I actually dislike (though, of course not all songs and albums are as brilliant as the best ones). Actually, even their "bad" albums end up being enjoyable for me.


To me Pink Floyd were consistently different too as no two albums sound especially similar, with the exception of the post-Waters era stuff. They did have their low points (More, MLR) but they are still better albums than what most other bands could manage in my opinion.



For me Wish you were Here and Animals are similar enough (and also, my two favourites, not only from Pink Floyd). Meddle has got that sound too, at least on Echoes and One of these Days. And Dark Side, sort of close, but it doesn't have such long songs. Also, I guess More and Obscured by Clouds (and the songs available for Zabriskie Point) sound very similar to me. And, I guess to a certain point, The Wall and The Final Cut.


Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: August 10 2021 at 22:13
I have a hard time identifying a prog band that is consistently great, but some prog related bands that have a strong catalog would be Deep Purple and Uriah Heep. 

How about the Moody Blues?  We don't discuss them much on PA at all, they seem to have consistently good output.  Thoughts? 

My personal favorite, Yes, have laid their share of rotten eggs over the years!!  


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Posted By: Progishness
Date Posted: August 11 2021 at 01:35
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Steely Dan (last 2 after hiatus are hit or miss)
XTC (not a bad lp imho)
Tull (a few clunkers here and there in later years)
King Crimson (Beat and Pair being hit or miss)
Led Zep (Coda being the exception)
The Beatles ( some 'filler' on White)
The Who (until 1980)
Wobbler (they only have 5 but are all very good)
Zappa &Mothers (up t0 the early 80's they are all good)
Beefheart (other than 2 duds in 1974)



Very Good list. I'll throw in Renaissance to prog it up a bit.


Renaissance were certainly consistently good throughout the seventies but they went off the boil in the eighties, which is probably not unrelated to all the line-up changes.


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Posted By: Progishness
Date Posted: August 11 2021 at 01:42
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

How about the Moody Blues?  We don't discuss them much on PA at all, they seem to have consistently good output.  Thoughts? 


Certainly every album from 'Days of Future Passed' through to 'Seventh Sojourn' (and even the post-hiatus 'Octave') are all top quality. It's hard to think of one duff song, or filler track, on any of those releases.


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Posted By: Progishness
Date Posted: August 11 2021 at 01:42
Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by Progishness Progishness wrote:

Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

For me it's got to be Pink Floyd. I really like just about all their albums, and there are very few songs I actually dislike (though, of course not all songs and albums are as brilliant as the best ones). Actually, even their "bad" albums end up being enjoyable for me.


To me Pink Floyd were consistently different too as no two albums sound especially similar, with the exception of the post-Waters era stuff. They did have their low points (More, MLR) but they are still better albums than what most other bands could manage in my opinion.



For me Wish you were Here and Animals are similar enough (and also, my two favourites, not only from Pink Floyd). Meddle has got that sound too, at least on Echoes and One of these Days. And Dark Side, sort of close, but it doesn't have such long songs. Also, I guess More and Obscured by Clouds (and the songs available for Zabriskie Point) sound very similar to me. And, I guess to a certain point, The Wall and The Final Cut.


Fair comment.


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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: August 11 2021 at 03:26
For me my votes right now as of 2021 would be Iron Maiden, Paradise Lost, Symphony X , IQ and Arena.

I think none of these bands have a bad album at all.



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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: August 11 2021 at 04:18
Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

For me my votes right now as of 2021 would be Iron Maiden, Paradise Lost, Symphony X , IQ and Arena.

I think none of these bands have a bad album at all.


I disagree about Maiden. Great suite of albums in the 80s, but starting with the 90s not so much. The only album coming close to classic Maiden is Brave New World. 


Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: August 11 2021 at 04:24
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

For me my votes right now as of 2021 would be Iron Maiden, Paradise Lost, Symphony X , IQ and Arena.

I think none of these bands have a bad album at all.


I disagree about Maiden. Great suite of albums in the 80s, but starting with the 90s not so much. The only album coming close to classic Maiden is Brave New World. 


I think Fear of the Dark and The X Factor of Iron Maiden are excellent albums. Okay, not as powerful as Powerslave; but they are more consistent. In most of the Iron Maiden albums, there are "weak" songs, or even filler songs. Powerslave's the first two and the last two songs are grandiose, but the middle is mediocre IMO. Some say Fear of the Dark also has weak songs, but I disagree. They at least flow seamlessly within the album. Also Fear of the Dark is a rare '90s album, that could evoke a genuine '80s spirit. A bit gloomy, but it still has the 80s' soul.

Brave New World is a pompous album, and lost all its charm for me. I was fascinated by it first, but I don't like it that much anymore.


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: August 11 2021 at 04:31
Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

For me my votes right now as of 2021 would be Iron Maiden, Paradise Lost, Symphony X , IQ and Arena.

I think none of these bands have a bad album at all.


I disagree about Maiden. Great suite of albums in the 80s, but starting with the 90s not so much. The only album coming close to classic Maiden is Brave New World. 


I think Fear of the Dark and The X Factor of Iron Maiden are excellent albums. Okay, not as powerful as Powerslave; but they are more consistent. In most of the Iron Maiden albums, there are "weak" songs, or even filler songs. Powerslave's the first two and the last two songs are grandiose, but the middle is mediocre IMO. Some say Fear of the Dark also has weak songs, but I disagree. They at least flow seamlessly within the album. Also Fear of the Dark is a rare '90s album, that could evoke a genuine '80s spirit. A bit gloomy, but it still has the 80s' soul.

Brave New World is a pompous album, and lost all its charm for me. I was fascinated by it first, but I don't like it that much anymore.

I like Fear of the Dark, a bit uneven but listenable. I also like The X Factor. Virtual XI on the other hand is unlistenable to me, IM's weakest effort, to put it nicely. Big smile



Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: August 11 2021 at 04:45
^ Well, if you see Virtual XI like a "B-movie", you might enjoy it. I at least enjoy it. I'd rate it 5/10 as for its quality, but I still enjoy it. I confess that Como Estais Amigos made me cry, a couple of times.


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: August 11 2021 at 04:52
Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

^ Well, if you see Virtual XI like a "B-movie", you might enjoy it. I at least enjoy it. I'd rate it 5/10 as for its quality, but I still enjoy it. I confess that Como Estais Amigos made me cry, a couple of times.

not a good analogy, B-movie does not refer to quality, but small budget back when people used to go to the movies to see a double feature, the main movie and a second (b) smaller budget movie. Also there are b-movies that were very well put together, with good story-telling.


Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: August 11 2021 at 04:59
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

^ Well, if you see Virtual XI like a "B-movie", you might enjoy it. I at least enjoy it. I'd rate it 5/10 as for its quality, but I still enjoy it. I confess that Como Estais Amigos made me cry, a couple of times.

not a good analogy, B-movie does not refer to quality, but small budget back when people used to go to the movies to see a double feature, the main movie and a second (b) smaller budget movie. Also there are b-movies that were very well put together, with good story-telling.


I didn't intend to do an analogy, and I didn't try to say anything to be taken so lliterally. I mean, it has its charm in its own way. Except the horrendous song called The Angel and the Gambler. One of the biggest jokes in music history! LOL

I know how you assess music in general, and I really think that you're a very good listener and an "assesser". (I farted this saying.) I also think that you're more focusing on the intellectual and creative side of music. I remember you saying that you gave Nightwish's latest album a 1 star. I haven't listened to it yet, but I'm sure that I'd give it a 2 or 3 stars, at worst. Smile


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: August 11 2021 at 05:05
Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

^ Well, if you see Virtual XI like a "B-movie", you might enjoy it. I at least enjoy it. I'd rate it 5/10 as for its quality, but I still enjoy it. I confess that Como Estais Amigos made me cry, a couple of times.

not a good analogy, B-movie does not refer to quality, but small budget back when people used to go to the movies to see a double feature, the main movie and a second (b) smaller budget movie. Also there are b-movies that were very well put together, with good story-telling.


I didn't intend to do an analogy, and I didn't try to say anything to be taken so lliterally. I mean, it has its charm in its own way. Except the horrendous song called The Angel and the Gambler. One of the biggest jokes in music history! LOL

I know how you assess music in general, and I really think that you're a very good listener and an "assesser". (I farted this saying.) I also think that you're more focusing on the intellectual and creative side of music. I remember you saying that you gave Nightwish's latest album a 1 star. I haven't listened to it yet, but I'm sure that I'd give it a 2 or 3 stars, at worst. Smile

Yes, you'd probably rate the last Nightwish higher than I did. For me it was a frustrating listen and I gave the album several chances because a lot of people praised it and I felt I was missing something LOL.

I enjoy the albums with Tarja, those albums were quite unique, despite the band wearing their influences on their sleeves. 


Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 11 2021 at 05:21
Originally posted by Progishness Progishness wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Steely Dan (last 2 after hiatus are hit or miss)
XTC (not a bad lp imho)
Tull (a few clunkers here and there in later years)
King Crimson (Beat and Pair being hit or miss)
Led Zep (Coda being the exception)
The Beatles ( some 'filler' on White)
The Who (until 1980)
Wobbler (they only have 5 but are all very good)
Zappa &Mothers (up t0 the early 80's they are all good)
Beefheart (other than 2 duds in 1974)



Very Good list. I'll throw in Renaissance to prog it up a bit.


Renaissance were certainly consistently good throughout the seventies but they went off the boil in the eighties, which is probably not unrelated to all the line-up changes.
Speak for yourself. Camera Camera is the bomb. See my 5 star review in PA.

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 11 2021 at 05:21
Pentangle.

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Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: August 11 2021 at 05:23
Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

Death, Atheist, Opeth, King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard, Haken, Harmonium, Wobbler, Enslaved, and from everything i've heard so far, Steve Hillage. Even though Gentle Giant had an anticlimactic ending to their career, their run from Debut-Interview is near perfection, and I even like Missing Piece.

Mad bonus points to you for Death, Atheist, Hramonium, and GG!

I'll add:
  • Gorguts
  • Nocturnus
  • Spastic Ink

It's been great watching Death and Gorguts climb our charts as of late. I haven't heard every Gorguts album yet myself, but I hear only good things!


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Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: August 11 2021 at 05:54
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Pentangle.

Good shout! Nothing disposable there. 


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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: August 11 2021 at 08:40
Jean-Pierre Louveton


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: August 11 2021 at 09:04
Tangerine Dream founder Edgar Froese (solo albums).

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Posted By: essexboyinwales
Date Posted: August 12 2021 at 08:56
IQ!

It Bites
Cellar Darling (I know, 2 albums only, but they are fantastic!)
Ayreon (although Transitus is a bit of a dip...)


Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: August 19 2021 at 08:44
Someone mentioned Iron Maiden and if you take out the four Adrian Smith-less 90's albums what you're left with is 12 of the best albums ever recorded. My ratings are as follows (because I know you really care...):

Iron Maiden 9/10
Killers 8/10
Number Of The Beast 10/10
Piece Of Mind 10/10
Powerslave 10/10
Somewhere In Time 9/10
Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son 9/10

No Prayer For The Dying 6/10
Fear Of The Dark 7/10
X Factor 5/10
Virtual XI 4/10

Brave New World 8.5/10
Dance Of Death 9.5/10
A Matter Of Life And Death 9/10
The Final Frontier 8/10
Book Of Souls 7.5/10


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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: August 19 2021 at 16:15
Paradise Lost 1989 to present.

Vanden Plas— 1998 to present

IQ— 1986 to present. ( sorry. The Menel albums are solid. )

Fates Warning. These guys have killed with Ray Alder. 1987 to present.

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Posted By: Magog2112
Date Posted: July 29 2023 at 08:48
The Flower Kings, Galahad, IQ, and Pendragon.


Posted By: essexboyinwales
Date Posted: July 29 2023 at 08:59
Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:


IQ— 1986 to present. ( sorry. The Menel albums are solid. )


No need to be sorry, they are more than solid! But why start in 1986? You’ve missed TFTLA and The Wake!!!😳

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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: July 29 2023 at 12:19
True. I could say 1983 to present. In fact, I’m gonna go with that. IQ. is actually the most consistently great band I can think of who are still active. I love all their albums.



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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 29 2023 at 13:42
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

I think if you look at Jethro Tull from 1968 to 1980, they released consistently good to great albums every year, from This Was all the way to A. And with the release of the boxed sets that include numerous songs that never made it on studio releases, that makes that run all the more remarkable.

Hell yeah--   I might add the bonus cuts are extraordinarily good, many of which should've been on the original release or given an album of their own.   'Everything in Our Lives', 'Warchild Waltz', 'Saturation', 'Paradise Steakhouse', 'King Henrys Madrigal', 'Kelpie' ... and that's just a few.




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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 29 2023 at 20:46
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

I think if you look at Jethro Tull from 1968 to 1980, they released consistently good to great albums every year, from This Was all the way to A. And with the release of the boxed sets that include numerous songs that never made it on studio releases, that makes that run all the more remarkable.

This Was (1968)
Stand Up (1969)
Benefit (1970)
Aqualung (1971)
Thick as a Brick (1972)
Living in the Past (1972)
A Passion Play (1973)
War Child (1974)
Minstrel in the Gallery (1975)
Too Old to Rock and Roll (1976)
Songs from the Wood (1977)
Heavy Horses (1978)
Storm Watch (1979)
A (1980)


mostly agree accept I've never heard the ones highlighted. Are they up to the same standard as the prog classics?


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 29 2023 at 23:52
^ Yes and no---   This Was is mostly a blues album; Warchild is excellent but more song-oriented; it's been awhile, but as I recall Too Young has both good & bad moments;  and I haven't heard A since it came out .




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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: July 30 2023 at 00:01
^^I know you're asking The Dark Elf and his answer may be more in line with your tastes and preferences. But I would say that while they all have their moments, I find them (along with Storm Watch) weaker than the ones you already know. Ok, This Was is nice if you like the British Blues Revival (but with flute) bands. I'm not really into that sort of stuff. And considering my disinterest in that certain approach, I still enjoy about half of the material on their debut. Ian Anderson was already a decent tunesmith, that's for sure.


Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: July 30 2023 at 00:04
I actually was surprised to find that A was very satisfying to my ears when I listened to it very late last year. But I like Eddie Jobson.


Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: July 30 2023 at 00:29
Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

I actually was surprised to find that A was very satisfying to my ears when I listened to it very late last year. But I like Eddie Jobson.
Maybe the songs are alright. I suppose wouldn't know. I didn't notice anything particularly memorable back when I gave it a couple of spins. In one ear and out the other is how I (not) remember it. My main issue was/is that I just don't think that early 1980's AOR-approach becomes them. While I can enjoy radio friendly mainstream rock (which it sounded like to me) by others, it's not what I wnat from a Tull-album. To me their whole identity and what made them so attractive back when I discovered them was all gone. A to me felt more like Foreigner with a flute. But unlike most prog fans I think Tull peaked as a band ca. 1969-1972.


Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: July 30 2023 at 06:27
Shadowland
Anekdoten
Talk Talk (their pop material is as strong as their experimental phase)
Fates Warning with Alder (can't stand Arch, sorry)
Deftones (except that 2016 album)
Landberk
A Silver Mt Zion
Morphine
Mastodon
Deafheaven
Isis
Fugazi



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