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Topic: Most disappointing gigs/unexpected joy
Posted By: Rick1
Subject: Most disappointing gigs/unexpected joy
Date Posted: June 15 2021 at 09:32
We all love stories about our favourite gigs but which ones disappointed the most?
For me, the list includes Rush (Birmingham, UK) 'Power Windows' tour - (never wanted to see them again after that - or hear them), Dream Theatre at High Voltage 2011 (dull beyond belief) and Opeth at the same festival the year before (2010) - I call them 'Opeless and can't see why they are treated as a prog band... Genesis at Roundhay Park (Leeds, 1987) only just rescued the situation by playing most of side 2 of 'Wind and Wuthering'
Unexpected joy?: stumbling across Gorky's Zygotic Mynci at Leeds Heineken Festival in 1996 - pure Canterbury!! A nascent Ozric Tentacles at Stonehenge 1984 and Twice Bitten supporting Pendragon mid 80s (venues forgotten)
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: June 15 2021 at 09:50
Marillion at Rock City in Nottingham was the worst gig I've ever been to, although I was given free tickets, so I can't complain. The best gig I've ever been to was Bjorn Again (the Aussie ABBA), also at Rock City. The furthest I've ever travelled to a gig was to see Blue Oyster Cult at Birmingham Odeon (58 miles from Nottinghmam) during their "Mirrors" tour in 1980 and the loudest concert (pardon?) I've ever attended was Ozzy Osbourne at the Derby Assembly Rooms before it burnt down.
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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: June 15 2021 at 10:34
Supertramp in Detroit mid 80's. They seem to play the songs note for note without any real passion or improvisation, Bored the livin' 5hit out of me. Good thing I had some mushrooms with me, at least the light show was fun.
Followed closely by Pink Floyd at CNE stadium in Toronto. The sound was horrible, way too loud and distorted.
Lastly, The Who at CNE stadium in Toronto. An October concert that for some unknown reason they played at the west end of the stadium, when the hard winds blew in off the lake (towards the band) the sound completely disappeared. Half the concert wasn't even heard. Joe Jackson opened for them and again for some unknown reason, people close to the stage didn't care for them and pelted them with empty water bottles and hotdogs apparently. They left the stage after only a short set of maybe 5 or 6 songs.
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: June 15 2021 at 10:41
Toy Dolls early 80's - a punk band from Sunderland, they hit song was Nellie The Elephant played at punk speed. They played a total of 3 songs of which 2 were Nellie The Elephant, gig was over in 15 minutes.
The Stranglers - Feline tour Newcastle City Hall in the 80's - they stopped playing mid gig as they didn't like the security in the aisles who were there to stop any trouble. A stand off lasted 15 minutes until the security finally left. The crowd promptly started ripping up seats and throwing them around. Completely crap.
Unexpected joys Most of mine would be at festivals where I discovered loads of bands I never knew but that's a bit of a cop out.
Mike Keneally Boston '14 - an unknown to me Bent Knee were the support band, became an instant fan and have seen them around 14 times since then.
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Posted By: Lima96
Date Posted: June 15 2021 at 10:55
The DVD Live at Luna Park by Dream Theater's rating currently sits at 4,12 stars, with over 150 reviews. I went to one of the gigs where the concert was filmed without even knowing that they were planning on taping everything. And well... It was easily the worst gig I ever attended in my lifetime. Sound was horrible, setlist choice was dreadful, and the worst part of them all is when they broke out the string quartet and LaBrie sang two "acoustic" renditions of their tunes.
It was horribly cheesy, and not in a good way. Melted plastic-y cheddar can be delicious and actually serve a purpose while it's hot and you have a bowl of nachos or anything to dip your hands into it. This was cheesy in a similar fashion to what happens in The Curse Of Monkey Island, in which you have to use molten cheddar that went cold as an unbreakable miraculous substitute material for tar to repair your washed up pirate ship.
Horrible, horrible gig all around. They didn't have any cool merch around, the only availiable record on sale was a greatest hits compilation
Greatest surprise? I don't really know. Maybe Magma, they were amazing when they played here, and I didn't expect such a great show. Other than that, not too many big name prog bands come down all the way to Buenos Aires, and most if not all of them delivered in spades when it came to their concerts: Snarky Puppy, Meshuggah x2, Opeth x2, Steven Wilson x2, Focus, Yes x2, Deep Purple x3... So I'm inclined to say that the best surprise was one G3 tour gig in which Mike Portnoy unexpectedly filled in as Petrucci's drummer. I'm by no means a Dream Theater fan or anything, but it was nice seeing them both playing live.
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Posted By: Hiram
Date Posted: June 15 2021 at 11:08
Most disappointing was Jethro Tull in 2007. The https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/jethro-tull/2007/caribia-turku-finland-2bd3f402.html" rel="nofollow - setlist wasn't bad and it was a stone's throw from where my girlfriend (now wife) lived. However, there was no Martin Barre (who was on his own solo tour if I remember right) and Ian Anderson was in a very bad mood and especially the second set seemed like everyone on stage just wanted to be finished with the show.
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: June 15 2021 at 11:19
Lima96 wrote:
Greatest surprise? I don't really know. Maybe Magma, they were amazing when they played here, and I didn't expect such a great show. |
A friend of mine says "If you don't see the face of god the first time you see Magma they're just not for you". Stunning experience seeing them for the first time. I had the added bonus that Thinking Plague were the band playing before them.
Hiram wrote:
Most disappointing was Jethro Tull in 2007. The https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/jethro-tull/2007/caribia-turku-finland-2bd3f402.html" rel="nofollow - setlist wasn't bad and it was a stone's throw from where my girlfriend (now wife) lived. However, there was no Martin Barre (who was on his own solo tour if I remember right) and Ian Anderson was in a very bad mood and especially the second set seemed like everyone on stage just wanted to be finished with the show.
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I'd forgotten how bad Jethro Tull (Ian Anderson & hired guns) were last time I saw them 3 (?) years ago. Thoroughly professional session musicians playing but zero spirit or heart. Ian Anderson's voice is completely shot, seeing on his tiptoes trying to get a note to come out was horrible. We walked out after 45 minutes.
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: June 15 2021 at 11:44
I saw Tull on the Roots To Branches tour in Canada and, hopefully, caught Ian on a bad voice night. The band rocked but Ian was a big disappointment. He sounded close to his old self on the album. Studio trickery?
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: June 15 2021 at 11:50
SteveG wrote:
I saw Tull on the Roots To Branches tour in Canada and, hopefully, caught Ian on a bad voice night. The band rocked but Ian was a big disappointment. He sounded close to his old self on the album. Studio trickery? |
Ian Anderson doesn't have a bad voice night. He has a bad voice quarter-century. He should have stopped singing decades ago. It is painful to listen to him sing. My face hurt from cringing every time he tried to hit notes on Aqualung or Locomotive Breath.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 15 2021 at 12:03
Most disappointing gig: Magma live in Vancouver some years ago at a club.
It wasn't expensive and I'm still glad I went, and I got to be right by the stage (but tried to be far from the speakers). The venue had a poor sound system, there was a long opening narrative by someone who introduced the band about how spiritual Magma's music is and about understanding it, where I thought, "You're taking it far too seriously". The setlist I didn't like much, not that adventurous, and it was far too rock and not jazzy enough for me. Worst, it was totally unnecessarily loud. Really loud, and the subtle bits that often make music special did not come across (it sounded all flat, very loud and very flat). I got worried when I saw they were selling ear plugs. Magma should have followed it up with a performance by Swans called Soundtracks For the Deaf, because that's how I was after the concert.
Shame, I've seen and heard lots of Magma concert footage that I love. Maybe my expectations were too high. I stopped listening to Magma for a long time after that. I thought, wow, I thought Magma was supposed to be fun and a bit silly, but they really take themselves very, very seriously. The other factor was that I brought my wife and I was constantly worrying about her reaction, so that made the experience worse,
Maybe I'm too used to going to jazz and classical concerts to really appreciate rock concerts (although the best I ever saw was Spinal Tap, and they go to 11, well not really at the concert). And damn were they funny when talking. Totally not disappointed at all with Spinal Tap.
Best surprise (not prog) was free tickets to a cello/ pipe organ concert in Osaka. Now that was a transcendental experience. I didn't need to be told how to appreciate the music or how spiritual it was, this was numinous. I was utterly enraptured. And and so nice to have a quiet audience who I think care enough about the music and are respectful to the musicians not to talk or cheer during the performance, and the acoustics were amazing. I really am a classical music concert kind of guy mostly, but that's what I was raised on. And I love jazz clubs.
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: June 15 2021 at 12:03
I saw Tull for the Crest tour in '87. He sung a bit lower, very measured but acceptable.
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Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: June 15 2021 at 12:05
I can echo the Dream Theater sentiments, their concert I went to was mixed absolutely dreadfully. If there was keyboard or bass, I didn't hear it. All incredibly muddy drums and abrasively loud guitar and vocals. Seriously, there was no reason for it to be that loud. Shame, cause they played all of Metropolis Part 2 which should've been awesome, but I just couldn't enjoy the music.
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: June 15 2021 at 12:16
I was quite disappointed by Knifeworld in 2015. They played together with Cleft and Vennart, but I really was there to see them. They had a quite terrible sound, very flat and saucy, with little detail to appreciate. Also the singing wasn't good. I like them a lot on their albums so would really like to see them on a better night.
My first Kraan gig was one of the best ever, for the second one I had very high expectations, but they overdid the volume and left me with ear problems for days.
A number of bands I love now have convinced me when seeing them live without knowing them. Strangely the first one that comes to mind is the experimental jazz trio Doran/Studer/Mangenat; I saw them on a political event in the end eighties and would never have expected this kind of stuff there. Linton Kwesi Johnson and Al Stewart were also playing and they surely did not disappoint. It should probably have made me a lifetime voter of that party.
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: June 15 2021 at 12:24
I once saw an absolutely stunning and surprising gig by Portuguese jazz singer Maria Joao together with a quite adventurous female guitarist with an English sounding name. They didn't have any albums together and stupidly, after not finding anything to buy in the next month or so, I even forgot the guitarist's name. I have some stuff by Maria Joao and she's generally very good, but I have never found any recording of the kind of thing that they played on that evening.
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: June 15 2021 at 12:39
Lewian wrote:
I was quite disappointed by Knifeworld in 2015. They played together with Cleft and Vennart, but I really was there to see them. They had a quite terrible sound, very flat and saucy, with little detail to appreciate. Also the singing wasn't good. I like them a lot on their albums so would really like to see them on a better night.
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I flew over in '17 to see Knifeworld, Admirals Hard, Guapo & Spratley's Japs. Knifeworld were acoustic at the Islington. Superb gig, one of my absolute highlights. The whole weekend was a hoot.
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Posted By: Mirakaze
Date Posted: June 15 2021 at 15:58
So far, disappointing gigs have oddly coincided with my interest in
those bands declining, as was the case with a Rush performance in 2013
which was mostly just show with the band just playing straight-ahead
versions of their songs and not really letting themselves loose, a Roger
Waters performance of The Wall in the same year where I sat in between a
bunch of drunk idiots all the way in the back row of a giant football
stadium, and a Camel performance in 2019 with sub-par acoustics and a
disappointing setlist. On the other hand, I was afraid the same thing
would occur to me before going to a Soft Machine concert in 2018 but I
went ahead anyway realizing I might never get a chance to see them
again: they ended up playing a vigorous show that totally outdid my
wildest expectations and made the album they were promoting at the time
seem really tame in comparison.
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: June 15 2021 at 17:21
Mirakaze wrote:
and a Camel performance in 2019 with sub-par acoustics and a
disappointing setlist. On the other hand, I was afraid the same thing
would occur to me before going to a Soft Machine concert in 2018 but I
went ahead anyway realizing I might never get a chance to see them
again: they ended up playing a vigorous show that totally outdid my
wildest expectations and made the album they were promoting at the time
seem really tame in comparison.
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Hah, I saw both Camel and Soft Machine in 2018 and loved both their performances to pieces. Soft Machine of course wins on new material.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: June 15 2021 at 18:10
Styx and Yes in 2011. Styx were great but Yes were pretty lame that night. Benoit David was the singer and he just didn't do that good of a job. Their performance was rather lackluster anyway. I was pretty disappointed.
I heard a story about a well known late 80's pop singer who played at a high school in a town I lived in for a little while. Apparently he did one song then right as he was about to do another he told the crowd to ignore what the principal or whoever said and stand up and act a bit unruly. The lights when on after that(or maybe during). I wasn't there and I'm glad. Can you imagine your high school winning a contest to see this rising star and then he shows up at your school and plays one maybe two songs at the most and then the principal or whoever shuts it down?
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 16 2021 at 00:07
Worst was probably Marillion at Cardiff St David's Hall on the Brave tour. Poor sound (couldn't hear Hogarth) and side on view. Hardly played anything I wanted to hear , got dragged along. Even had car problems on the way back to compound everything!
Unexpected joy? Don't do proper festivals but remember Magenta opening an indoor prog 'festival' in London just about when Seven was released. Was hooked almost immediately.
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Posted By: Rick1
Date Posted: June 16 2021 at 03:40
Yes, I think a lot of bands could take a leaf out of Soft Machine's book - I saw them, for the first time ever in 2019 (Nottingham) and was blown away! They had dynamic new material and reimagined the old stuff in very creative ways...
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: June 16 2021 at 08:10
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Marillion at Rock City in Nottingham was the worst gig I've ever been to, although I was given free tickets, so I can't complain. |
I'm glad to read this, considering the fan worship for Marillion on these pages! My chum Curt and I went to see Marillion at Chicago's excellent Park West Theater on 15 August 1995, expecting a fine show. Instead, it was dreadfully boring, with sub-standard musicianship. We actually left before the end of the concert, something we'd never done before.
Unexpected joy was seeing Yes on their CTTE tour, 22 September 1972, in the acoustically-perfect Arie Crown Theater in Chicago. I hadn't heard the LP CTTE, and went expecting to hear their AM radio hit "America," so imagine my surprise when the classic Yes sparkle ball descended and they began Close to the Edge!! An added bonus was the then-unknown band, The Eagles, opening for their friends, The Yes (that is how they introduced them, like The Who)!
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: June 16 2021 at 08:33
I suppose I'm lucky then that I can't think of that many disappointing gigs. Van Halen were a bit as Dave Lee Roth spent too much time posing and not enough singing. Maybe the biggest disappointment, although not really the band's fault, was having to leave a Talking Heads gig early as they went on late (can't remember why) and I had to leave to catch the last train home from Hammersmith.
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Posted By: AlanB
Date Posted: June 16 2021 at 09:38
Wishbone Ash in 1981 in Oxford, mainly because the sound mixing was awful. But also because Martin Turner had departed and, even though he was never the strongest singer, he was better than Andy Powell and Laurie Wisefield, who shared lead vocals on that occasion.
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Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: June 16 2021 at 10:25
Disappointment: either Brian May with Queen in 1976 or Bruce Cockburn in 1999. I came away thinking that May is by far and away the most over-rated guitarist in the history of rock and roll. Freddie was incredible--despite having a cold! Bruce, who I've seen many times and always far exceeded any and all expectations, was on the final night of a 18-month world tour. He and the band were just calling it in--going through the motions. All the hits, none of the emotion.
Surprise: Diana Krall. She was the warmup for Tony Bennett. Her ability to seemingly extract notes out of the space in-between me and her was mesmerizing: it was as if she had literally no foreknowledge of what note was coming next (in her singing, that is) and yet the one should would produce was sheer perfection. Heavenly! I felt as if I was in the presence of true and absolute genius.
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Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: June 16 2021 at 23:58
Maybe I was a bit unlucky but Joe Cocker was drunk and then evicted from the country and Eric Clapton was on heroin and had to be propped up. Then there was the Deep Purple concert where I had a prime middle row seat and the crowd surged forward at the start of the gig and I couldn't see anything. Main disappointment in myself was knocking back ABBA tickets after my musician friend said he was going, because I was a music snob back then. Biggest pleasant surprise was a Steeleye Span concert where I wasn't expecting much. Maddy Prior was mesmerizing, not just in singing but in the way she moved around the stage.
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: June 17 2021 at 04:06
Disappointing: Tangerine Dream at Glasgow Apollo circa '78 Three stoned telephone operators and a drummer all mercifully hidden by lasers for the most part Unexpected Joy: Tangerine Dream at Glasgow Apollo circa '78 They stopped (eventually)
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 17 2021 at 06:34
Hi,
None really ... but there were a few things that were sad along the way which made things not as good as they should have been. But we're talking 50 years here ... not just 10 or 20!
Ozric Tentacles, a few years back when they were touring the country on their van ... I had warned them on their Forum/Website about Portland not knowing how to do sound and having a knack for messing it up. In 94 (or 95 not sure now) they were here at La Luna and of course the keyboards were not wired properly and Seaweed spent the night with the wiring since half the time there were no keyboards heard. On the sound board from which I have heard a tape from the show, including John's potato joke and all that, the keyboard was fine, which means that the club did not have enough for keyboards but the drums, bass and guitar were horribly over done!
A few years later, even with a warning, they still played Portland at a dive location, and of course, Silas could not get the keyboard going half the time, and they did not have a sound person, and you could see into the sound board, the keyboard volume was setup at half the other members. The band sound so poor, that I ended up leaving halfway through ... to not pay attention and make sure they can get what they need to protect their music is ... senseless and pathetic. They should have unplugged everything and just played an acoustic set which might have been more interesting!
A lot of great things along the way ... one special moment was MAGMA, and I was scared that the show might not be good, forgetting I had at least a couple of live albums (!!!!NK) and it was magnificent, but at the end I cried ... I knew that something special and different like this would not happen again in my life. They did come around again 2 years later, and it was beautiful ... but I still cried in the end, knowing how special it had been and how much this "individuality" has been for my own writing and artistry.
I can not say there are "disappointments" but if there was one, it would be Damo Suzuki by himself with a 2nd rate band, and before the show he was outside having a smoke, but he would not talk to anyone, just stare out somewhere. I think he was trying to be cool and this and that, but in the end, the show was sad, and the redos of old CAN material were poor and sadder still with the band not having the proper cohesiveness to do it right. All in all it was just another night of busking for a tired old man, if that is fair to say. I still love what he had done before, but he should have moved on and added more to it, and instead he is trying to make the old photograph come alive again, and it ain't happening. The musicians behind him do not have the learning and pedigree of those before.
Saw TD five times, including their 1st and 2nd tours in LA (Santa Monica Civic and The Greek Theater with the trees on fire picture on the live album) ... and they were great each and every time. I would have liked to see them during the time with the girls, but never got the chance.
Saw PF four times, and they were excellent, not withstanding the bummer at the Sports Arena when 714 people got busted, and the narcs walking the concert and taking people out during the music ... totally pathetic. Typical of the police force style that later got them in trouble, but it was happening before in a lot of different ways.
RW did the WALL here in PDX and it was cheesy for my tastes, although it was fine. The stage was in front and the sound went from left to right and from right to left ... the original show way back when the sound WENT AROUND YOU AND ALL OF US, and it made the whole thing more "real" of an experience. All of a sudden, I felt like it was just a cheap version, or a type of MET redo of some old opera again, with no changes or updates to make up for the "time" ... RW made sure that this time he got touchy about other wars, instead of Vietnam, but the audience didn't give a poop about it all and some folks were getting drinks during that moment ... typical rock audience ... the respect is where? But then, RW's idea of respect is just an idea, not real! This simply showed the difference between the early days of "progressive" music when the idea was to make it REAL and SPECIAL ... and all of a sudden 30 or 40 years later, all you can see is the cardboard reality of it all ... very disappointing compared to the original! And the millions spent on the tour should have been spent on something else ... that made better sense to his politics and ravings!
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Posted By: Rick1
Date Posted: June 17 2021 at 06:49
moshkito wrote:
Hi,
None really ... but there were a few things that were sad along the way which made things not as good as they should have been.
Ozric Tentacles, a few years back when they were touring the country on their van ... I had warned them on their Forum/Website about Portland not knowing how to do sound and having a knack for messing it up. In 94 (or 95 not sure now) they were here at La Luna and of course the keyboards were not wired properly and Seaweed spent the night with the wiring since half the time there were no keyboards heard. On the sound board from which I have heard a tape from the show, including John's potato joke and all that, the keyboard was fine, which means that the club did not have enough for keyboards but the drums, bass and guitar were horribly over done!
A few years later, even with a warning, they still played Portland at a dive location, and of course, Silas could not get the keyboard going half the time, and they did not have a sound person, and you could see into the sound board, the keyboard volume was setup at half the other members. The band sound so poor, that I ended up leaving halfway through ... to not pay attention and make sure they can get what they need to protect their music is ... senseless and pathetic. They should have unplugged everything and just played an acoustic set which might have been more interesting!
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Yes, it's a shame about the Ozrics - they have done this in the UK too. One notable time they were on the same bill as Caravan at Brixton Fridge. Caravan produced a crystal clear sound, not too loud but Ozric managed to produce loud sludge - out of the same PA!!
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: June 17 2021 at 07:44
Disappointment: John Fogerty's return tour in the 1980s. Bonnie Raitt opened and was fantastic. Then Fogerty came out and started playing all new stuff. I learned in the beer line that he was in a court battle with Fantasy Records and was not allowed to play any Creedence songs (this was pre-internet days, so I had no idea when I bought the tickets -- and they were playing CCR music on the commercials). I heard him start to play that obnoxious "Centerfield" gawdawful song and walked out. F*ck that.
Surprise: I went to a hall party in River Rouge, Michigan (a fairly dive VFW hall in a fairly dive city just south of Detroit) for a $5 keg night in the early 80s. Did not expect much (except to get drunk), and didn't even know if a band was going to play. Who walks out but Leslie West. Yeah, Mountain's Leslie West -- the Great Fatsby. He was obviously a little drug addled at the time, but put on a damn good show. Unexpected and off the wall, but a great jam given the circumstances.
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: June 17 2021 at 08:07
Just reminded of a nice surprise from back in the 80s. I went to stay with a friend in the south of Wales and we popped down his local social club for a couple of lemonades and who should be playing there but Tony McPhee's Groundhogs! Good gig as well.
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: June 17 2021 at 09:07
chopper wrote:
Just reminded of a nice surprise from back in the 80s. I went to stay with a friend in the south of Wales and we popped down his local social club for a couple of lemonades and who should be playing there but Tony McPhee's Groundhogs! Good gig as well. |
I went to a Groundhogs gig in Newcastle in the 80's with middling expectations. They were very very good, great night.
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: June 17 2021 at 09:20
Been lucky for the most part...but saw 'BOC 'in July 2013 in Valparaiso IN...only a few miles from my town and they c ame on at 8:30 or so and the sound was mediocre at best then the darn city shut them down at 10:00 citing noise laws at night ..so why have an effing concert of a rock band if you have noise rules?
Did see 'Donovan' at a small folk club in the same town a few years earlier and that was great....got to meet him after the show.
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: June 17 2021 at 09:42
ExittheLemming wrote:
Disappointing: Tangerine Dream at Glasgow Apollo circa '78 Three stoned telephone operators and a drummer all mercifully hidden by lasers for the most part Unexpected Joy: Tangerine Dream at Glasgow Apollo circa '78 They stopped (eventually)
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I actually laughed out loud reading that one!
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: June 17 2021 at 09:49
The Dark Elf wrote:
Surprise: Who walks out but Leslie West. Yeah, Mountain's Leslie West -- the Great Fatsby. H
| Excellent! I saw the fat man around the same time at the Bottom Line in NYC and his old Jack Bruce sat in! f**king Jack Bruce! Now that was a nice surprise. Great gig and the sound was decent.
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: June 17 2021 at 09:51
moshkito wrote:
I can not say there are "disappointments" but if there was one, it would be Damo Suzuki by himself with a 2nd rate band, and before the show he was outside having a smoke, but he would not talk to anyone, just stare out somewhere. I think he was trying to be cool and this and that, but in the end, the show was sad, and the redos of old CAN material were poor and sadder still with the band not having the proper cohesiveness to do it right. All in all it was just another night of busking for a tired old man, if that is fair to say. I still love what he had done before, but he should have moved on and added more to it, and instead he is trying to make the old photograph come alive again, and it ain't happening. The musicians behind him do not have the learning and pedigree of those before. |
I have seen Damo a couple of times, last time maybe 10 years ago. He would just do his thing in front of a local band who'd be up for it, and he'd play with all kinds of bands. Of course the odd one will not be top notch. I think I saw four of these, one great, two fine, one not really. However in none of the gigs I've seen he did old Can material (except there was one show in the mid-nineties with Can members doing solo sets, and he did Mother Sky with Michael Karoli's band). I'd suspect the band you saw him with wanted it, but it's not that he does this all the time.
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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: June 17 2021 at 10:09
Yes in '76 in San Diego. They were part of a multi-band line-up, so there set was limited by time. Also, they pulled a snoozer by performing a thudding Ritual which (as I have mentioned before) sent hordes to the snack bar and restrooms. I don't even remember Patrick Moraz making a difference.
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Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: June 17 2021 at 12:46
Disappointing: Jethro Tull's 50th Anniversary tour (Dayton.) Just awful.
Surprisingly good: Crack The Sky 1978 (Toledo.) I remember being blown away...
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Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: June 17 2021 at 17:49
Aerosmith on a drug binge, headline, play 40 uninspired minutes. Tool's lead singer hidden in the shadows.
Mahogany Rush and Nine Inch Nail surprised to the upside.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 17 2021 at 20:52
SteveG wrote:
ExittheLemming wrote:
Disappointing: Tangerine Dream at Glasgow Apollo circa '78 Three stoned telephone operators and a drummer all mercifully hidden by lasers for the most part Unexpected Joy: Tangerine Dream at Glasgow Apollo circa '78 They stopped (eventually)
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I actually laughed out loud reading that one! |
Hi,
It's a strange comment because in those days, TD was still doing a lot of improvising to try and show their pieces, but the machinery used was not always on par with everything else. Edgar Froese in his book, talks about a lot of it during the band tours and the real difficult issues for their instruments and band in general, like freezing hands in Poland, and no heat except that from the electricity from the instruments and perhaps the crowd warmth ... and guess what? It's on an album!
When I saw them about that time, it was not bad, but you could tell that they were having difficulties adjusting to the new equipment, and they were not able to play the material like STRATOSFEAR as well as they wanted, and had to flow with what they had.
The sad thing about the comment, is that it was around that time that they got comfortable with the new digital stuff and it ended the run of 6 or 7 years of massive bootlegs ... ALL OF WHICH WERE DIFFERENT because it was impossible to make the hardware repeat the same thing they had created. Too many wires and plugs ... and the result was different each and every time.
I think the comment is due to the fact that recognizable material is kinda mixed in with other stuff and it was down, to just a main theme sometimes and it wasn't until much later, for example, that they were able to do Phaedra on stage ... when we saw them on their first tour something was there from the new album, but when you listen to the Live in America album (their 2nd tour I think) with the pictures of the Greek Theater trees on fire (part of the show with lasers!) ... you can tell how they handled the newer material ... it was very different ...
I imagine that Exit was looking for something he recognized and didn't get it ... not sure ... but their sound and mixes every time I have heard it, has been very good.
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: June 18 2021 at 04:11
A triple concert at the Leverkusener Jazztage some twenty years ago. Jean and I went there to see Magma, who were the last to play. I have forgotten who the first act was; it did not impress us much. The second act was Mari Boine, and her gig was fantastic; usually we would have said "this was the highlight of the evening".
But apparently Magma felt challenged by Mari Boine and put on an exceptionally brilliant performance. They played "Köhntark" and "Mekanïk Destruktïẁ Kommandöh" and as encores "Kobaïa" and "Hhaï". A woman who stood near us and had never heard of them before was totally overwhelmed and gasped "What was that? That was absolutely incredible"! We could not have agreed more.
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Posted By: Rick1
Date Posted: June 18 2021 at 04:30
I am loving these stories. Just to add, went to see Roy Harper, 1980, Leicester University. First 30 minutes or so, there's an unattended guitar stack 10 yards in front of us - then out walks Dave Gilmour...
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 18 2021 at 07:03
Lewian wrote:
I have seen Damo a couple of times, last time maybe 10 years ago. He would just do his thing in front of a local band who'd be up for it, and he'd play with all kinds of bands. Of course the odd one will not be top notch. I think I saw four of these, one great, two fine, one not really. However in none of the gigs I've seen he did old Can material (except there was one show in the mid-nineties with Can members doing solo sets, and he did Mother Sky with Michael Karoli's band). I'd suspect the band you saw him with wanted it, but it's not that he does this all the time.
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Hi,
They did, at least MUSHROOM from Tago Mago.
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: June 18 2021 at 10:58
moshkito wrote:
Lewian wrote:
I have seen Damo a couple of times, last time maybe 10 years ago. He would just do his thing in front of a local band who'd be up for it, and he'd play with all kinds of bands. Of course the odd one will not be top notch. I think I saw four of these, one great, two fine, one not really. However in none of the gigs I've seen he did old Can material (except there was one show in the mid-nineties with Can members doing solo sets, and he did Mother Sky with Michael Karoli's band). I'd suspect the band you saw him with wanted it, but it's not that he does this all the time.
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Hi,
They did, at least MUSHROOM from Tago Mago. |
Sure, I believe you. My point is that he doesn't do it all the time, and it may not even have been his idea on this evening, because he adapts to the bands with which he is playing (which as you wrote are not always top level).
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