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Topic: Your Favourite Black ActorPosted By: Shadowyzard
Subject: Your Favourite Black Actor
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 02:53
First of all, I don't like calling some people black when it is not necessary. I only do so, when I have to "define" their physical traits. Like how I don't call 6' 5" people as "tall" all the time. Plus, even people with the darkest skin tones are not really black in colour, at all! (There is always a brownish tinge in their colour.)
I used "100 greatest black actors of all time" list of IMDb as a source. Someone can create a poll about black actresses too. I'm too lazy for that now. Ah, IMDb has such a list, but look at the "sexist" title!
My 100 All-Time Most Beautiful Black Actresses
Anyway,
My favourite from my list is Samuel L. Jackson.
Who is yours?
Replies: Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 02:57
I'm giving my age away here by voting for Sidney Poitier In the Heat of the Night.
Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 03:00
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
I'm giving my age away here by voting for Sidney Poitier In the Heat of the Night.
Would be my 2nd choice, actually. But I like "black metal", so villains attract me more!
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 04:08
I think Cuba Gooding Jr is one if the most underrated actors in the buisness
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Posted By: Spaciousmind
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 04:18
To Sir with Love.
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 04:47
That last option is not very funny and should be removed.
Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 04:49
chopper wrote:
That last option is not very funny and should be removed.
Who said that I was trying to be funny?
It sure can be removed, if the admins see fit. Not a big deal for me. If it is very disturbing for some Western people, I'm sorry. My intention was not trying to be offensive, either.
Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 04:51
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 04:53
Shadowyzard wrote:
chopper wrote:
That last option is not very funny and should be removed.
Who said that I was trying to be funny?
Well I sure hope you weren't being serious! Not sure why you've put "Western people" either, I can't imagine anyone being too happy with it.
Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 04:55
^ If no one voted for that; that means we, the nice people, would be victorious. Don't you think dude?
Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 05:01
chopper wrote:
Shadowyzard wrote:
chopper wrote:
That last option is not very funny and should be removed.
Who said that I was trying to be funny?
Not sure why you've put "Western people" either, I can't imagine anyone being too happy with it.
Well, did you see my poll on fictional and actual characters? I put options that mention narcissist, misanthrope people. These are "global" atrocities. Black racism is rather/overwhelmingly a Western one, as far as I can tell.
Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 05:09
From the list:
Sidney Poitier (#1)*, Denzel Washington (#2)*, Morgan Freeman (#3)*
Others
Danny Glover
Paul Winfield *
Charles S. Dutton
Cleavon Little
Adolph Caesar *
* = Academy Award winners/nominees
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 05:20
Rachel Dolezal or Jessica Krug
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 05:41
Forest Whitaker and Don Cheadle equally. Both are extremely underrated and never seem to get the roles that let them really shine.
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 08:01
Sir Laurence Olivier as Othello.
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 08:07
A-hum, James Earl Jones as Othello.
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 08:13
I'm dissapointed bye the lack of or omission of great actor Idris Elba an aknowledged upband coming legend whom im not emberrased to say causes slight male crush . Hes portrail of Heimdall is so very good. Master of stoic acting.
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Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 08:18
Icarium wrote:
I'm dissapointed bye the lack of or omission of great actor Idris Elba an aknowledged upband coming legend whom im not emberrased to say causes slight male crush . Hes portrail of Heimdall is so very good. Master of stoic acting.
I used the top 23 off of a top 100 list, Elba was the 31st, unfortunately. You said Cuba Gooding Jr. is underrated. I believe he is one of the most overrated actors of all times.
I guess we are even.
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 08:22
SteveG wrote:
A-hum, James Earle Jones as Othello.
I loved him as King Lear.
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
I'm giving my age away here by voting for Sidney Poitier In the Heat of the Night.
This is what I thought when I saw this topic, however. Well, other than the age part as I exude youth despite being quite senile and doddery.
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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 08:22
A terrible oversight missing in my opinion...
Regina King
And yea...
Sam Jackson
Denzel Washington
Michael Clarke Duncan
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 08:27
As far Black actresses go Sanaa Lathan is another that's impressive and never gets the meaty roles that she deserves. And she's as cute as a button too.
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Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 08:57
Shadowyzard wrote:
First of all, I don't like calling some people black when it is not necessary. I only do so, when I have to "define" their physical traits. Like how I don't call 6' 5" people as "tall" all the time. Plus, even people with the darkest skin tones are not really black in colour, at all! (There is always a brownish tinge in their colour.)
I used "100 greatest black actors of all time" list of IMDb as a source. Someone can create a poll about black actresses too. I'm too lazy for that now. Ah, IMDb has such a list, but look at the "sexist" title!
My 100 All-Time Most Beautiful Black Actresses
Anyway,
My favourite from my list is Samuel L. Jackson.
Who is yours?
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Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 09:00
^ Nope, Lorenzo. I guess it would give me pain...
Yet, I watched the movie adaptation of Dutchman, which stabbed me. It was deadly, but positively transformative.
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 09:14
The top result I get for an IMDB actress list is Top 50 Best Black Actresses of All Time https://www.imdb.com/list/ls006237567/" rel="nofollow - https://www.imdb.com/list/ls006237567/
I have no issue with someone making a My 100 All-Time Most Beautiful Black Actresses or My 100 All-Time Most Handsome Black Actors.
By the way, I love Thandie Newton who is of mixed-race.
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Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 09:17
Logan wrote:
The top result I get for an IMDB actress list is Top 50 Best Black Actresses of All Time https://www.imdb.com/list/ls006237567/" rel="nofollow - https://www.imdb.com/list/ls006237567/
I have no issue with someone making a My 100 All-Time Most Beautiful Black Actresses or My 100 All-Time Most Handsome Black Actors.
By the way, I love Thandie Newton who is of mixed-race.
Interestingly my search didn't bring that top 50 list, or perhaps I failed to perceive that.
I have no problems with calling people handsome, beautiful etc. too. It was a bit of a joke. It should be more or less as funny as some things that some decent "sexist" people sometimes say.
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 09:49
I do take some issue with the black term, as it seems you do, and I hate the term coloured. Black, brown, how black is black? I have mixed-race kids as my wife is Oriental and they take more after their mother in looks. They don't like it when people refer to them, or assume they are Asian any more than I do. They are Eurasian. My son when asked about this just said he's Canadian. I have some Malay blood even though I look Nordic.
I do wish we could become more colour-blind as a people while still recognising ethnic and cultural (including subultures) traits. That said, I have tended to be more attracted to East Asian women, so I am hardly colour-blind, but I'm still something of an equal opportunity swinger. And if my wife finally decides to leave me, Thandie, you know where to find me.
It's Asian cultural month here in Canada, and I think such things highlight our differences more. And Asia is such a big continent with such diversity that it seems kind of more silly. Race here seems to have become a much bigger issue. There's things like George Floyd and Black Lives Matter, but also every day new stories on TV about anti-Asian hate speech rants (all have been aimed at East-Asians, mostly Chinese, but they all get lumped together as Asians). My wife has never consciously experienced racism. I have had derogatory remarks made about being "white" (a term I don't like). My daughter has been called a Chink before.
A bit rantish sorry, but I get the feeling like we are now expected to see race more than ever and also by some that empathy can be seen as bad, like you don't understand or feel what it's like to be a so-called coloured person in this society. I'm a Humanist, well as Humanist as a misanthropic individual who prefers non-Human animals can be. Yes, we need to recognise systemic racism, racism, ethno-centrism, biases, unequal opportunities and all that jazz, but I would rather more focus on what can and should unite as a species instead of this seemingly increasing tribalism (the tribalism was always there and I guess it does need more exposure and it does need examination).
By the way, there was a manager who admitted to making racist remarks about Filipinos at my wife's workplace not that long ago and he was originally from the Punjab. So there is Asian vs. Asian racism too. Discrimination is a problem in many quarters, and it comes in many forms.
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Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 10:05
Logan wrote:
I do take some issue with the black term, as it seems you do, and I hate the term coloured. Black, brown, how black is black? I have mixed-race kids as my wife is Oriental and they can more after their mother. They don't like it when people refer to them, or assume they are Asian any more than I do. They are Eurasian. I have some Malay blood even though I look Nordic.
I do wish we could become more colour-blind as a people while still recognising ethnic and cultural (including subultures) traits. That said, I have tended to be more attracted to East Asian women, so I am hardly colour-blind, but I'm still something of an equal opportunity swinger.
It's Asian cultural month here in Canada, and I think such things highlight our differences more. And Asia is such a big continent with such diversity that it seems kind of more silly. Race here seems to have become a much bigger issue. There's things like George Floyd and Black Lives Matter, but also every day new stories on TV about anti-Asian hate speech rants (all have been aimed at East-Asians, mostly Chinese, but they all get lumped together as Asians). My wife has never consciously experienced racism. I have had derogatory remarks made about being "white" (a term I don't like). My daughter has been called a Chink before.
A bit rantish sorry, but I get the feeling like we are now expected to see race more than ever and also by some that empathy can be seen as bad, like you don't understand or feel what it's like to be a so-called coloured person in this society. I'm a Humanist, well as Humanist as a misanthropic individual who prefers non-Human animals can be. Yes, we need to recognise systemic racism, racism, ethno-centrism, biases, unequal opportunities and all that jazz, but I would rather more focus on what can and should unite as a species instead of this seemingly increasing tribalism (the tribalism was always there and I guess it does need more exposure and it does need examination).
By the way, there was a manager who admitted to making racist remarks about Filipinos at my wife's workplace not that long ago and he was originally from the Punjab. So there is Asian vs. Asian racism too. Discrimination is a problem in many quarters, and it comes in many forms.
I do think that the term "coloured" in this context is rather out of stupidity, not a mental product of a cold and calculating mind of a racist (evil?) person. So, we call "coloured eyes" too, to the ones that are not black or brown. Brown is not a colour? I think we should carefully observe people who create/use such terms. Some are really evil, some are just... naive. (OK, I don't want to call them stupid now.)
P.S. I also use these terms BTW... It demands inhuman flexibility for being able to communicate without offending some people, really... Also, for the offender, I advise them to try to "sense" the intention behind...
Posted By: Argo2112
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 10:20
Really close for me between Sidney Poitier & Samuel L. Jackson.
I went with Sidney. I've been watching a lot of his films in the past few months,
(Guess Who's Coming to Dinner, Raisin In the Sun, A Patch of Blue, The Defiant Ones)
& he's outstanding in all of them plus he broke through so many barriers for those that followed him.
Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 10:21
Logan wrote:
I have some Malay blood even though I look Nordic.
My roots are from Jugoslavija (R.I.P.) and Bulgaria. I guess I show the physical characteristics of the people thereabouts, but never had the urge to learn the truth behind that... My grandparents immigrated to Turkey, I guess in the '30s. Though, they also were the Turks of there...
When I look into the mirror, I see myself. With all its flaws and quaintise. Some can find me ugly too, no problem!
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 11:00
Shadowyzard wrote:
Logan wrote:
I have some Malay blood even though I look Nordic.
<span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">My roots are from Jugoslavija (R.I.P.) and Bulgaria. I guess I show the physical characteristics of the people thereabouts, but never had the urge to learn the truth behind that... My grandparents immigrated to Turkey, I guess in the '30s. Though, they also were the Turks of there...
When I look into the mirror, I see myself. With all its flaws and quaintise. Some can find me ugly too, no problem!</span>
Well, you are hardly ugly, but yeah I care little now what people think. I stopped caring as much when I got married as I was an oversexed (or at least some eunuchs or those with vows of chastity would say so) individual looking for partners that I found attractive. For a while I used my picture as my avatar, but I feared that people may be doing naughty things to it. ;)
A great-grandmother of mine was half-Malaysian, not sure if here parent was even full Malaysian actually.
My dad is from an old Norman family -- got records going back over a thousand years for that family tree. It helps to make me realise just how downwardly mobile I am. Had myself DNA tested and was surprised that it said that I am 20 percent Ashkenazi Jew and 0 percent German (apparently no Nazi in this Ashkenazi -- sorry if that's an offensive joke, it's a kind of Spanish Ashkenazi according to the results).
If more people were DNA tested more would realise that they have more genetic diversity than they thought and maybe not put themselves in narrow racial/ ethnic boxes. I heard of a KKK member who had himself tested and was shocked to find that he had African DNA from a few generations back. We all apparently have African DNA. We are all African as I have seen it put, but I won't call myself black even if I were black to the core on the inside. We all bleed red.
Speaking as something of an ex-Communist (more anarcho-communism) who still has Socialist leanings, one problem with focusing so much on race when it comes to inequality is that we can lose sight of class struggles and differences. There are privileged and underprivileged of all ethnicities. Some of that comes down to the colour of your skin, also your family background, your education and job, your intelligence, your athleticism, you physical and mental health, general circumstances, your beliefs, sexual orientation, political affiliation, connections, influence, looks, affability, relatability, general disposition etc. There's lot of luck involved. We'll never, or probably never, all be equal in one sense, but I do think we should strive for reasonable equal opportunity at least so that people can fulfil more of their promise and reach more of their potential. We can't all be great physicists, basketball players, or both.
But I digress very much.
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Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 11:27
Logan wrote:
Well, you are hardly ugly, but yeah I care little now what people think.
It is a complete mess, dear Greg. The mighty Logan...
I had a Youtube account where I was sharing my cover (singing) videos. A Scandinavian guy said, "your Nordic accent is too obvious,", I replied, "I'm a Turkish guy!"... and guess what happened. A Turkish guy warned me not to reveal my Turkishness as the foreign people would mock me. (He wrote this in Turkish.)
I'm also likened to the Nordic people sometimes. A friend of mine always was saying "The Viking amongst us," while talking about me.
Anyway, your "digression" was quite cool and insightful. I give you that!
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 11:43
^ That's funny, and a little sad.
I had lots of Persian friends, and a couple of them would call me the Viking sometimes. Not sure if it was the blonde hair and blue eyes, or that I would go full berserker mode sometimes.*
My parents, by the way, had a delightful time in Turkey (Turkish delight indeed). I'd dearly love to go there, although I have always been a little worried since I watched Midnight Express when young, but then unlike that protagonist, I don't plan to traffic drugs. It is one the countries that I have most wished to visit.
* For those that don't know, "Berserkers were a special group of elite Viking warriors who went into combat without traditional armor. Instead, they wore animal pelts, typically from bears or wolves." Think of that guy in the Washington Capitol mob, if you've seen him, or any a number of films involving Vikings. I did not actually go berserk, at least not around them.
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Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 11:48
2 Viking Pisceans, we are. Our digression is horrifying...
I hear you about your kinda phobia after watching that movie. It is sort of like my shark phobia after watching Jaws. I hear no shark related deaths in our seas, but it always comes to my mind while swimming... The power of the movies!
Turkey has some real nice holiday places for foreign tourists. If you somehow and some day decide to come hereabouts, I'd be delighted to meet you in person.
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 12:00
Not as horrifying as a shark. You know me and digressions, I love 'em.
I'd love to meet up with you there when I get the chance. Shame my wife isn't with her old company still -- she had to travel a lot, and sometimes I'd tag along.
As for Jaws, it had an effect on me too. Luckily we don't have sharks where I live, other than some small harmless mud sharks. By best son's best friend got a pug, glad this didn't traumatise him.
EDIT: Embeds changed to links as those were distracting, especially when I got so off-topic.
Steve mentioned him already, but James Earl Jones is a glaring omission to me from this list. Not only has he been a great stage actor (which I guess being IMDB I can't expect them to be so interested in) but even in mainstream rather tacky films like Conan (I do really like the film), he shone. What a great character and one can understand the charisma and power that the character exuded. Definitely a fan of his.
Thulsa Doom: "My child, you have come to me my son. For who now is your father if it is not me? I am the well spring, from which you flow. When I am gone, you will have never been."
Makes me think of "Luke, I am your father."
Remembering Thulsa Doom's snake form, imagine if he had also been in the hold in SLJ's Snakes on a Plane:
"I have had it with these mother****ing snakes on this mother****ing plane!"
Could imagine Thulsa Doom uttering Samuel L. J's line "And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you!"
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 12:08
First vote for Denzel. He's one of the best actors period(regardless of race). I don't deny there are some other very good ones on the list though.
Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 12:16
^ I hate these "period"s... For me, Mr. Washington is Cthulhu: The Thing That Should Not Be... Oops, this was a little harsh. He shouldn't even be an actor... This is a subjective view, of course. I'd rather not discuss this.
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 13:31
Shadowyzard wrote:
^ Nope, Lorenzo. I guess it would give me pain...
Yet, I watched the movie adaptation of Dutchman, which stabbed me. It was deadly, but positively transformative.
It's not so sad.
James Baldwin's thoughts were positive.
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Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 13:38
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I'll go with Sam Jackson over Denzel.
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Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 16:00
Argo2112 wrote:
I've been watching a lot of his films in the past few months,
(Guess Who's Coming to Dinner, Raisin In the Sun, A Patch of Blue, The Defiant Ones)
& he's outstanding in all of them plus he broke through so many barriers for those that followed him.
Please don't over look probably Poitier's best movie, 'In the Heat of the Night' (1967). With Rod Steiger who won the Academy Award for 'Best Actor' in that film.
Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 17:07
Poitier most definitely. Idris Elba as well as Omar Sy .
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 17:59
I'm a fan of Chiwetel Ejiofor and Elba ...but from the list I like Washington, Poitier, Freeman, Jackson, Fishburne, and others.
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 22:47
Samuel Jackson's da man! I like a bunch of them really. Glover, Whitaker, Cuba Gooding Jr, Foxx, Murphy and yes Denzel though less so than the others. And Chris Tucker for pure comedy.
Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: May 28 2021 at 06:22
Some may not know the name Paul Winfield from his many movie appearances but more might know him from his two Star Trek series appearances.
Many consider this episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation ("Darmok") to be one of the best of the entire Star Trek:TNG 7 seasons.
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: May 28 2021 at 06:31
Worst black actor: Billy Dee Williams.
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Posted By: Gentle and Giant
Date Posted: May 28 2021 at 07:41
Sidney Poitier, but a shout out to Idris Elba and Paterson Joseph (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0430667/)
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: May 29 2021 at 03:34
I was almost sure Morgan Freeman would steal the race. Poitier is good, but he was a pioneer and faced no competition
BTW, I don't know half the names on this list.
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: May 29 2021 at 04:21
Sean Trane wrote:
I was almost sure Morgan Freeman would steal the race. Poitier is good, but he was a pioneer and faced no competition
BTW, I don't know half the names on this list.
Shame on you! You must spend the rest of the weekend listening to Godspeed You! Black Emperor as penance.
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: May 29 2021 at 08:37
Mickey Mouse
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: May 29 2021 at 09:11
Also if one are after pure badass and gruff one does not gett rougher then Ving Rhames, oke of the 90s tough guyss. Spessialy vissable in Con Air
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Posted By: Steve Wyzard
Date Posted: June 03 2021 at 16:33
Was disappointed to not see Cleavon Little, Richard Pryor, Scatman Crothers, or Tim Reid on this list!
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 06 2021 at 08:43
Hi,
I can't decide on this at all ... I have never thought of actors as black, white, green or blue. They are all actors and they all do different things, and in the end, it is about the work, and not the color.
However, I will agree that too many film studios favored some folks over others (they did the same with music since they owned all publishing companies!!!) ... and this ended up adding to the history of the separation of colors ... anything to "separate" people and make matters worse in every way.
Actors and artists are what/who they are and color is not an issue for me, and never has been.
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Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: June 06 2021 at 09:55
SteveG wrote:
As far Black actresses go Sanaa Lathan is another that's impressive and never gets the meaty roles that she deserves. And she's as cute as a button too.
Oh hello. She gets my vote. But from the list I voted for Eddie Murphy. If this was 30 years ago I think he'd have a lot of votes.
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: June 06 2021 at 14:15
I've seen some amazing performances from Djimon Honsou (Amastad, In America), and Denzel, Danny Glover, Jamie Foxx, Morgan Freeman, Forest Whitaker, Samuel L., Sidney Poitier, and most of the others, but I think Chadwick Bozeman, Mahershala Ali, and Chiwetel Ejiofor are even better.
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 09 2021 at 07:14
Hi,
I can't get my head around this thread as it scares me. However, one thing I like to see is folks try different things and I enjoy seeing some of these folks take on Shakespeare, as much as I like to see some of them do the likes of Shaft and other characters.
Reminds me of the film POSSE (1993 Mario Van Peebles), which is grossly unappreciated and is excellent with outstanding performances all around, and sadly, will continue to be ignored, and it was designed, not to be a "western copy" but a show case for many of the actors, that could also do something that the "white" (gosh how I hate differentiating people like that !!!!!!!) folks did all the time, and do it just as well and/or better.
AND, on top of it all Mario is the son of a man that is on the history books in black film history in many universities, something that most of us will not relate to a whole lot or ever get to see. There were some neat film makers there, but today, the touch is on the actors, not the directors that also deserved the mention.
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