Your Earlier Wrong Assumptions Related to Music
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Topic: Your Earlier Wrong Assumptions Related to Music
Posted By: Shadowyzard
Subject: Your Earlier Wrong Assumptions Related to Music
Date Posted: January 16 2021 at 13:20
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When I first "heard" growl and scream vocals in the late '80s or early '90s, I assumed that the "singers"(?) might not be human. (I wasn't a metalhead then, and I heard such stuff from one of my cousins' thrash/death metal audio cassettes.) When I became a metalhead in, I guess, 1991; I saw the terms "lead guitars" and "bass guitars" in the booklets; and assumed that bass guitars are the lead guitar riffs and lead guitars are the guitar solos. I was always generalizing drums that don't have an acoustic timbre as "drum machine"; especially if they were also flawlessly played. I was so sure about this. You know, a fake sound and a nonhuman impeccability. This lasted till the early 2000s. |
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 16 2021 at 14:32
For long time I thought the band Pagan Altar was some black metal, after all with such a name what can it be? Well it's some really good doom metal  . A must listen for clean vocals doom. 
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: January 17 2021 at 03:56
What did you think they were?
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Shadowyzard wrote:Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: January 17 2021 at 04:11
Well, I was between 7-9 years old or so then. I guess it was like, "hey aliens can be real," kind of thinking. Monsters are amongst us!!!
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: January 17 2021 at 05:19
Yeah... I was for quite some time convinced that I could reliably tell apart what's human and what's machine. Not true.  Both can human beings make themselves astonishingly machine-like, and sampling technology quickly became more "real sounding" than I'd have liked to admit.
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: January 17 2021 at 05:42
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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: January 17 2021 at 05:59
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That anyone not listening to and loving ELP were ignorant about music. Oh to be a teenager again. ------------- Thank you for supporting independently produced music |
Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: January 17 2021 at 06:06
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In the beginning (i.e. early teens) I thought that quality and beauty were objective notions, so I thought that it was impossible not to like Kayak's Merlin suite... until I met someone who really didn't like it (first I thought he was lying...). ------------- The razamataz is a pain in the bum |
Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: January 17 2021 at 06:22
I think it is within the scope of egocentric bias, and according to the developmental psychology field, it is a normal aspect of the teen mindset. Similarly, during childhood it is normal that one thinks everybody also knows something s/he knows. Good that we/people mature (though I'm not sure that everybody does)! |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: January 17 2021 at 07:13
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I remember the first time I heard a live album (Moody Blues Caught Live +5) and the side opened with crowd noise, I thought it was something wrong with the record. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: August 11 2021 at 12:41
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When I was a kid, I was thinking that Modern Talking is an American band. Then, a couple of years ago, I told this to an American friend of mine during a bar chat; he said that he also was thinking that MT is "their" band. They are not only German but also a duo. BTW, when Modern Talking "came" to Turkey via audial and visual mediums, I was 4-5 years old or so. That American friend of mine is 15-20 years older than me. So, the fact that even an adult could be "fooled" about it means that my wrong assumption was not embarrassing at all.
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: August 11 2021 at 12:52
| When I discovered what would become my favourite band-Germany's Triumvirat -in 1985, and I read the credits on the back of my lp copy of "Illusions On A Double Dimple", I assumed that Lead vocalist/bass and 6 and 12 string guitarist Helmut Koellen who was listed on the record was still living-sometimes you just automatically assume things-but then read the depressing news on "The Triumvirat Bio" published on the net in the 1990s that poor Helmut had died way back on May 3rd, 1977! It hurt when I read that he was a member of "The 27 Club", but at least I found out what had happened. |
Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: August 11 2021 at 13:08
| Virtually anybody in Turkey was thinking that Michael Jackson "became" white via plastic surgery, because he was ashamed to be black. It is heart-rendering that most of us still think so. I learnt that he was a vitiligo sufferer and had skin cancer thereafter, but most of the people whomever I talk to about it still learn that from me. I learnt this after MJ's tragic death from his interview with Oprah Winfrey which was conducted/broadcasted in the '90s. He also said there that he was a proud black. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 11 2021 at 17:06
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Probably that working pros have a great career doing what they want and getting paid for it. Doesn't really work that way. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: August 12 2021 at 01:19
I couldn't be sure what you mean here. I have my strong guesses, but I'd rather be sure. Can you clarify please? |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: August 12 2021 at 15:46
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When I was a kid I thought the “producer” listed on the album was like a conductor for an orchestra. I used to grab a couple of spoons and pretend I was Tony Clarke “producing” for the Moody Blues. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 12 2021 at 16:30
I guess what I'm saying is nothing is what it seems, and frankly even the working musicians I know, the ones who have no recording deal and are lucky to book a few regular gigs, are not necessarily living their best life. As for the bigger artists, there's a price. Suddenly you have to deliver, big time. It can be a burden that turns making music into a full-time job. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: August 12 2021 at 16:32
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When I was a kid, I had an annoyingly loud voice. My mum was literally turning her head towards some other directions when I was telling her something with enthusiasm. Then, I became a teenager... I was thinking that I have a super talking and singing voice, until... I recorded my voice to a cassette. It was a massive frustration... Then, I worked on my vocal technique (by myself) at university, and became an accomplished amateur singer. AND my voice became annoyingly loud again. I was warned many times by my teachers, during our free intervals because of this; while everyone of us were chatting. Even when speaking normally, my voice was always loud. But my teachers also were giving me the job of reading texts to the class. Now, I accept myself as I am. No complaints or anything... I think maturity is a good thing. Who would want to live with their wrong assumptions forever? |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: August 12 2021 at 16:34
Good point that. I never felt remotely good enough to be a pro musician but had it seemed realistic at the age of 18 or so, I may have made the mistake to jump into it. Quite happy that I didn't.
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Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: August 13 2021 at 01:29
| I wasn't aware about the bass drums, and that drummers play with their feet as well as their hands. So, while I was air drumming, I was accompanying everything with my hands. |
Posted By: Cambus741
Date Posted: August 13 2021 at 03:06
| years and years ago I was under the impression that Queen were a heavy metal band. |
Posted By: Cambus741
Date Posted: August 13 2021 at 03:08
| I used to be under the impression that both Supertramp and The Bee Gees were American |
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: August 18 2021 at 07:59
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"Girl bands & boy bands suck." I'm eating my words big-time these days, after discovering amazing K-Pop bands, singles, and producers over the last month or so that I quite love. I mean, I'm well-hooked, like, it's all I'm listening to these days. All of my assumptions and misconceptions have been thrown out the window. What's so exciting about K-Pop - or at least, the stuff I can't get enough of (which seems to be at least 5 songs per year, every year going back to about 2009), is how much the music can turn on a dime within a 3 minute pop song. K-Pop, seemingly so accessible, can be quite avant-garde, post-modern, experimental, and musically adventurous in the way it plays with genres (electro, synthpop, hip-hop, shibuya-kei, bubblegum, EDM and dubstep, etc.). Even though it's futuristic, it's usually optimistic, unlike Western pop music these days, which is often dystopian. Granted, most of it's not to my taste, but I've found enough of it, and keep discovering more, that really brightens my days and keeps me excited about music being made today. Whenever one builds up hype for something, people are almost always disappointed, but keeping this in mind, these are some of the tunes that got me into it and opened up a new world for me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7_lSP8Vc3o&list=PLYsvSaANzpR-8TOjMcOWNa24HhMyd4cgw&index=1" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7_lSP8Vc3o&list=PLYsvSaANzpR-8TOjMcOWNa24HhMyd4cgw&index=1
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: August 18 2021 at 08:38
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Posted By: The Anders
Date Posted: August 18 2021 at 09:41
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That F sharp and G flat are the same note. I found out around the age of 10 that they are not. It's just that in tempered tuning they are harmonized so that they can be played with the same key on a keyboard instrument, or on the same fret on a guitar etc. But on principle, tempered tuning is a little bit out of tune.
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: August 19 2021 at 19:05
------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: August 20 2021 at 07:03
Mind blown. I honestly didn't believe you and had to dig a bit, and even though others are saying the same thing, I still have trouble wrapping my head around it. So is it only those two notes, F# & Gb? Like, are A# and Bb the same? Or C# and Db? Because a piece I read implied it's only F# & Gb...?
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: August 20 2021 at 07:18
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Posted By: The Anders
Date Posted: August 20 2021 at 07:39
It goes for C# and Db as well. And for D# and Eb, B# and C, E# and F, Cb and B, and so on. Before equal temperament became standard, several other keyboard tunings were used (f.e. the quarter-comma meantone which was common in the 1500 and 1600 years), and they of course limited the possibilities of key changes and harmonic excesses). Bach's Das Wohltemperierte Klavier (The Well-Tempered Clavier) is only possible with equal temperament.
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Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: August 20 2021 at 08:59
I never knew this. I found some interesting stuff on Youtube demonstrating it, like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GhAuZH6phs" rel="nofollow - this .
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: August 26 2021 at 04:29
| Mind blown. I have difficulty reproducing ragas like Thodi on a keyboard and I can sort of see why. |
Posted By: The Anders
Date Posted: August 26 2021 at 15:13
I think Indian ragas often use microintervals (quarter notes and things like that), so that is partly a different issue. Blue notes count as microintervals too btw.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 26 2021 at 17:54
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Getting Geddy Lee's gender wrong (and seriously annoying an avid Rush fan at school!) |