Pink Floyd: A Momentary Lapse Of Reason.
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Topic: Pink Floyd: A Momentary Lapse Of Reason.
Posted By: SteveG
Subject: Pink Floyd: A Momentary Lapse Of Reason.
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 04:15
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It's not a favorite of mine as I consider it a second rate Pink Floyd album. However, when thought of as a Gilmour solo album, of which it was first intended, it's quite impressive. Your thoughts please. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 04:22
| I like it although it is one of my least favorite from Pink Floyd. |
Posted By: Ronstein
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 04:23
I enjoyed it when it came out and on the subsequent tours, but it doesn't age well for me. Similar to 'The Division Bell', which was patchy and felt like there was some filler between a few great songs. As you say though, it was in reality a Gilmour solo album in essence and he probably only released it as Pink Floyd to annoy Roger 
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 04:35
it's a possibility I think it's still better than Roger's Radio KAOS.
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Ronstein wrote:Posted By: Ronstein
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 05:04
Me too, Radio KAOS is his worst album IMHO
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 05:47
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 05:48
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My Top 7 Pink Floyd albums:- 1. The Division Bell 2. The Dark Side of the Moon 3. Wish You Were Here 4. The Endless River 5. * A MOMENTARY LAPSE OF REASON*   6. The Wall 7. Atom Heart Mother |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 06:04
the leftover demos is at number 4?! Really?  Also can you express an opinion without making it about your rankings?
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 06:22
^ I think my Top 7 speaks for itself, without needing to express an opinion which you'll no doubt disagree with. 
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 06:24
If i were the only one...
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 06:39
Yes, I suspect you're not alone in questioning my placing of The Endless River at #4 in my Pink Floyd Top 7.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 06:43
I'm gonna regret asking (probably) but why is it rated so high?
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Posted By: Deadwing
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 06:44
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Love it, it's a Dark Side esque album but with all the 80's shaneningans and super cheesy stuff. Learning to Fly and Sorrow are amazing tracks, top tier PF sfuff, while Yet Another Movie is a very underrated psychodelic track. Also, the remix with Nick's drums and more organ from Rick was a pretty interesting take on the album. |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 06:47
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^ You say The Endless River is a demo album, but it doesn't sound like a demo album to me. I'd go out and buy it if there are any record shops left open.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 06:48
I did buy it and listened to it a couple of times. Again, why are you rating it so high?
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 06:52
Simply because I like The Endless River at #4 marginally more that A Momentary Lapse of Reason at #5 in my Top 7.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 06:57
Will you ever give me a sensible answer to a question?  |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 07:12
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A Permanent Lapse of Reason, is easily (hands down) the worst album bearing the PF name. Not only was it originally a Gilmour solo album (quickly morphed to force the Floyd name ownership), but it suffers from crappy 80's sonic values and apart from a few Mason drum fills and a Wright layer of KB here or there (if that's not total revisionism), it's David alone with a bunch of guest . Now as a Gilmour solo album, is it any worse than About Face or the soporific On An Island? ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 07:16
For me, About Face is superior to AMLOR. I overplayed both, but getting back to About Face is always great for me. |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 07:26
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I love all nine of David Gilmour's solo albums.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 07:29
9? He's got 4 solo albums.
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Posted By: Ronstein
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 07:33
You need to stop biting |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 07:35
Feels like it. Nobody is helping me here.
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Posted By: Ronstein
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 07:40
Should we take him round the back of the bike sheds and duff him up 
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 07:40
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On The Turning Away is a great Pink Floyd song. I particularly like it because it ends hopefully rather than the endless bitter ramblings of Roger Waters. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 07:44
no. |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 07:45
David Gilmour's Nine Albums - including DVD video albums   1978: David Gilmour - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzAi7qi89bg1MKnQJNL58Kcm" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzAi7qi89bg1MKnQJNL58Kcm 1984: About Face - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzCivyge57MB_VNzY8sHOvh3" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzCivyge57MB_VNzY8sHOvh3 1984: Live at the Hammersmith Odeon - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzD11ObBiD9f22WcPqiOSL8M" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzD11ObBiD9f22WcPqiOSL8M  2002: David Gilmour in Concert - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzD1tfiytwcjHyfNDEjcsHX8" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzD1tfiytwcjHyfNDEjcsHX8 2006: On an Island - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzDDOzoxhTl7wl-tAGNIGp8Q" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzDDOzoxhTl7wl-tAGNIGp8Q 2007: Remember That Night - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzAoGPvU2894KAbZU9IllXEv" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzAoGPvU2894KAbZU9IllXEv 2008: Live in Gdansk - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzBE471rFmra9UEbqHTXnRbL" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzBE471rFmra9UEbqHTXnRbL 2015: Rattle That Lock - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzDGmwS_-0Cd6P9U2DiDzyU7" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzDGmwS_-0Cd6P9U2DiDzyU7 2017: Live at Pompeii - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzAGBrujRKQUbkXx9Fi9Bbr8" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzAGBrujRKQUbkXx9Fi9Bbr8 |
Posted By: Ronstein
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 07:46
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Posted By: triptych
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 07:48
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A good album indeed .
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 07:49
you forgot the collaboration with The Orb. When I count albums, I only count the studio ones. |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 07:52
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^ I just said David Gilmour's nine albums (not necessarily studio albums), and I don't count his collaboration with The Orb, which sounds nothing like a David Gilmour album, so I didn't forget to include it. I left the album off my list deliberately.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 07:54
I was kidding, hence the LOL emoticon. You sure like to confuse people with your lists and playlists.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 07:58
Well, at least it all makes sense to you now when I listed all nine of David Gilmour's albums. In the meantime, I need to get back to making a full list of all of my prog albums on CD. It gives me something to do while I'm listening to Rick Wakeman's 100+ albums.
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 08:00
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What are you guys doing to my thread? ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 08:01
Paul went off topic and i took the bait. Sorry...
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Posted By: Ronstein
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 08:03
Sorry Steve, we had a Momentary Lapse of Reason  |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 08:03
We haven't gone off-topic. We were chatting about David Gilmour, so it's all Pink Floyd related.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 08:05
Well, AMLOR is the topic here, so we got off topic and i apologize.
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 08:15
Get a room, you two.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 08:23
I was actually trying to do the opposite Paul gets more tolerance here than I ever did
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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 09:15
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I sort of have a soft spot for this one. I was just starting my first year of college and this was the first new Pink Floyd release I ever experienced in real time. I somehow missed The Final Cut back in 1983. In the context of 1987, there really wasn't much else of note on the radio and this was a big deal back then. It got a lot of radio play, and not just the official singles that were released. This was before I even knew what prog was and I had yet to even hear of the name Marillion (Clutching at Straws came out that year). I later saw them on the North American leg of their tour in 1988. So yeah, it was a Gilmour solo effort that morphed into a pseudo-Pink Floyd album in name only. Mason wasn't confident in his drumming abilities (imagine that?) and his participation was minimal. Wright only performed on about half the songs and wasn't even a full member. Mason used a drum machine on Terminal Frost and Gilmour used a drum machine on Sorrow. Definitely a product of its time period, but better than a lot of stuff that came out that year. Like I said, it's more of an emotional attachment than a genuine regard for its quality compared the whole discography of PF. Terminal Frost (yeah, even with the drum machine) and The Dogs of War are my favorites from it. ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 20:47
| I do like the album. It's not as good as other Floyd albums, but it's full of beautiful guitars from Gilmour, and some songs that I really do love in On the Turning Away and Yet Another Movie (yet, I like both songs much better on Delicate Sound of Thunder). |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: January 15 2021 at 09:44
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I like Learning To Fly and On The Turning Away....the rest is forgettable for me. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: January 15 2021 at 10:51
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 15 2021 at 11:24
| I think it's very good. There are some interesting things going on on side two(especially some of the instrumental stuff). I guess you could say that this is to PF what Big Generator was to Yes at the time. Not as good as the earlier stuff but still good and still interesting. |
Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: January 15 2021 at 11:42
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I really like Lapse, and whenever I’ve been asked what my top five Floyd albums are, it’s quite often it. It does stay right on the periphery though, so that I wasn’t even sure where I had ranked it in Paul’s Top Seven Albums thread. For the record, here is that top seven. (Apart from the top two which are set in stone, the rest can change depending on day and mood.) 1. Wish You Were Here 2. Animals 3. The Wall 4. Meddle 5. Obscured By Clouds 6. A Momentary Lapse of Reason 7. Atom Heart Mother As for why it is so high in my affections, that is probably because it was the first Floyd album I bought (and one of the first albums I bought fullstop). The first album I own often stays in my affections to a far higher degree than it possibly deserves to be. But, to be fair, I do think it’s a good album. For sure, it is perhaps more a Gilmour album than a Floyd album, but it’s still better than any other Gilmour solo album, and I do think it is better than some Floyd albums. Top five better? Objectively, probably not - but subjectively, most definitely so. ------------- https://tinyurl.com/nickhnz-tpa" rel="nofollow - Reviewer for The Progressive Aspect |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: January 15 2021 at 19:07
| ^ My top two are definitley the same, though the rest I'm not really so sure. Number 3 should be The Division Bell. And then, something between Meddle, Dark Side, The Wall, Live at Pompeii, Atom Heart Mother. |
Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: January 16 2021 at 03:49
Objectively, The Division Bell is both more of a Pink Floyd album than Lapse, AND a better album (regardless of provenance) than Lapse. And yet, as much as I like it, and recognise Bell as a great album, it just doesn’t resonate with me personally so much as other albums. I would put it ahead of Dark Side though, which is one of my less favourite Floyd albums. I don’t dislike it, but it’s never done much for me. But we all have different tastes, and I definitely don’t judge anyone for what they choose - even if they choose The Endless River to be their absolute favourite Floyd album. I think too much is made of it being demos, as they way they are crafted together is very well done. I like River more than Dark Side, too. And I know quite a few people for whom River is top three or top five, and can understand why, even if I don’t find the same myself. ------------- https://tinyurl.com/nickhnz-tpa" rel="nofollow - Reviewer for The Progressive Aspect |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: January 16 2021 at 20:23
| ^ Yeah, I think it's rather unfair to call The Endless River demos or leftovers. They are not demos, because they were finished in order to release them... and leftovers, it's unfair to call them that, for I believe it's not for lack of quality that they were not used, but because what they wanted to do with The Division Bell was different, it was more straight forward songs and not so much atmospheric instrumental passages. I believe they actually intended to use them for another album from the beginning, but somehow they didn't do it until about 20 years later. I still believe that, as much as I love The Division Bell, they might have achieved something even greater if they had been up to using and combining the best of both albums back in the time. They might even have used the instrumental passages not only as separate songs, but to enhance and expand the songs that ended up in The Division Bell. |
Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: January 17 2021 at 02:25
That’s how I feel about it. And what I think, too - that had they released an album that was the beat of both, it might have been terrific! I know a lot of people love Bell, and I do think it’s great, but clearly it wasn’t part of my top seven (as listed somewhere above), and I think a lot of that is because it seemed to (as you put it) straight forward songs based. I can’t help thinking that integrating some of the ideas from River would have made the album stronger and more interesting and enjoyable. ------------- https://tinyurl.com/nickhnz-tpa" rel="nofollow - Reviewer for The Progressive Aspect |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 17 2021 at 03:16
 ). They're more like "work-in-progress". I
don't think using "leftovers" to qualify the ER tracks is insulting
either, especially that if memory serves, they were +/- presented and
sold to us as such, as well as a tribute to Wright. FTM, I'd like TDB a lot more if there were a couple cruddier tracks taken out (don't get me wrong, the worst TDB track is twice better than the best AMLOR track) and replaced with a few "leftover" instrumental material. ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: January 17 2021 at 03:52
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Definitely not one of my favourites of Floyd and seemed to rather justify Waters' purported reason for breaking up the band. TDB fared a little better though it remained soporific Floyd. All mushy, pleasant, feelgood music ripe for AOR stations and a far cry from their 70s work. Then again, to puncture Messr Waters a little, not like they were going to capture those heights again with him. It's just....these albums feel somewhat redundant and don't add anything in particular to their legacy. I know artists don't make albums to add to their legacy; they just make them because they love music and, well, they need new material to take on tour once in a while . But as a listener, I don't find much of anything to take back from both these albums but especially Momentary Lapse.
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: January 17 2021 at 04:12
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A pretty good album (3.5-4 stars), but I cannot rank it higher than #12 on my list of PF studio albums. The Division Bell is the best of the post-Waters albums imho. ------------- 
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: January 17 2021 at 05:01
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Nah. I didn't like the Final Cut much and PF are and were at the time one of my favourite bands, so I had High Hopes for the first Floyd without Waters, but no! I mean, the thing here isn't really that it'd be bad. It's still OK music well played, but it really doesn't have anything that attracts me. I don't think I ever have felt that I wanted to listen to this one after having heard it twice - only for checking that it's really no better... The Division Bell has highlights even though overall it's not of that high a standard; The Endless River I really like, although of course it's not 5 star... and The Final Cut these days seems to be the far more interesting album than both AMLOR and Division Bell (even though I wouldn't call it enjoyable)... but AMLOR, nah!
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Posted By: MortSahlFan
Date Posted: January 17 2021 at 08:06
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Pink Floyd is my favorite group, but I can't listen to this album. The one after has one song I like, "What Do You Want From Me?" ------------- https://www.youtube.com/c/LoyalOpposition https://www.scribd.com/document/382737647/MortSahlFan-Song-List |