Diego Armando Maradona 1960 - 2020
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Topic: Diego Armando Maradona 1960 - 2020
Posted By: Icarium
Subject: Diego Armando Maradona 1960 - 2020
Date Posted: November 25 2020 at 09:40
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The world greatest, the most legendary and icoonic footballer (exept perhaps rivaled by Pele) and it bever seems to be a debate to who. Can rival the top 2. Just read this as i write and i'm rieling in disbelief. The tragedies that is 2020 seems to never end. This is a huge loss, even he did not live the healthiest liifestyle, 60 years of age is to early. Argentina is now going into a long time of mourning as nobody is bigger then Maradona. So i send a message of grief and condolancesto the argentinian people and to football in its wholeness. Rest in peace Diego Armando Maradona "the Golden Boy" -------------  
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: November 25 2020 at 09:53
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My brother just called me and told me the news. His death is probably linked to the debaucherous lifestyle he had after his career. R.I.P. I consider Pele to be the greatest though.
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Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: November 25 2020 at 15:57
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The greatest of all time is gone. No one's even close. Not only because of his skillset. His personality, charisma and magnetism are second to none. Argentina is completely devastated. The government has established 3 days of mourning. He made us known around the world like no other. You may not know where Argentina is located, but you sure knew who Maradona was. He was even more famous than the Pope himself. I couldn"t care less about what he thought or did with his own life. I only know how proud and happy he made us all. Thanks for all the memories. You will be forever missed DIEGO ARMANDO MARADONA. |
Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: November 25 2020 at 16:01
I see you are from Germany. Tell Pelé, hell, even tell Messi, to take a humble club like Arminia Bielefeld and turn it into the greatest like Maradona did with Napoli in Italy |
BaldFriede wrote:Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: November 25 2020 at 16:13
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Indeed, it seems he won over everyone in Napoli with his football but also with his as far as I can tell honest affection for the city and its people. Napoli is in grief, as is Argentina. RIP! (Napoli is not quite Arminia Bielefeld though.
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Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: November 25 2020 at 16:25
Perhaps not nowadays. But in the 80s they sure were a small squad. Anyway, I said Arminia Bielefeld as I could have said Hertha Berlin or any other not so lauded club |
Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: November 25 2020 at 16:36
 When luck does not matter since you know destiny is on your side, you don't look at the coin |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: November 25 2020 at 16:58
| Sad news. I'm not really much of a soccer fan but have heard of him due to the fact that I like to research things and he was always ranked near the top(or at the top) of soccer lists. RIP Diego. |
Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: November 26 2020 at 03:19
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Great player, terrible role model. May he find in death the peace he didn't have in life. ------------- Bigger on the inside. |
Posted By: triptych
Date Posted: November 26 2020 at 03:59
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Like some people here, I'm no big fan of soccer myself....I prefer motor car racing (F1, F2, NASCAR, dragsters, etc.)....BUT, we cannot deny as sports loving people in general, that Maradona was probably the GREATEST soccer player in history, if you exclude Pele of course. As a person, Maradona was probably misjuged or judged unjustly in some cases...I don't really know 100%......but he DID donate lots of $$$ to charity, children's funds, poverty communities, etc etc., so he mustn't have been that bad:) R.I.P TO DIEGO MARADONA and condolences to his family and friends
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: November 26 2020 at 05:02
| Sadly in the UK he will always be remembered for punching the ball over Shilton's head. |
Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: November 26 2020 at 05:39
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He was violent, cheated on his wife and abandoned his son. John Lennon was all that. And I've never heard anyone talk about him the way they talk about Maradona. It's called class discrimination. Maradona was a flawed man as we all are who lived his life they way he could. The way they let him live it. He never asked to be a role model the same way he never asked to have journalists harrassing him 24/7 during his whole career. During his prime he was the most famous man on this earth. Everybody wanted a piece of him. And Diego never let his people down. That's why he's loved by so many. Not an easy life to live if you ask me. |
Posted By: triptych
Date Posted: November 26 2020 at 05:49
Probably he was all that too, but anyone who hasn't sinned PLS raise their hand. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: November 26 2020 at 08:41
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Diego Arsolo Prima(ra)Dona, who's he??  =====================  |
Posted By: triptych
Date Posted: November 26 2020 at 09:02
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Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: November 26 2020 at 09:30
Is this fake or real? If the latter, the "fake news CNN" shouldn't miss the chance.  BTW, R.I.P. the legend Maradona. 
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: November 26 2020 at 10:58
| Apparently that tweet is fake. |
Posted By: triptych
Date Posted: November 26 2020 at 11:01
Yeah yeah...........it is in a LOSER'S style to tweet that :):):):)
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Posted By: TheLionOfPrague
Date Posted: November 26 2020 at 18:01
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I'm from Argentina and the country is upside down right now. Rest in peace, Diego. You'll be missed. The greatest. ------------- I shook my head and smiled a whisper knowing all about the place |
Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: November 29 2020 at 05:47
I believe he is much more remembered for the 2nd goal from that game. The double standards from english people never ceases to amaze me. They still complain about Maradona's lack of sportmanship even 34 years later, but rarely do they say a thing about the 1966 finals they stole from Germany. |
Posted By: MortSahlFan
Date Posted: November 29 2020 at 06:05
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I was born in the US, but still, as a kid, I knew all about Maradona. Every time we played soccer, the elderly would usually shout "Maradona!" after a good goal, dribble, etc.. I never heard any other soccer player. But my favorite Maradona moments were off the field, this video for example ------------- https://www.youtube.com/c/LoyalOpposition https://www.scribd.com/document/382737647/MortSahlFan-Song-List |
Posted By: Heart of the Matter
Date Posted: November 29 2020 at 06:21
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 29 2020 at 06:25
 this photo was in all magazines back in 1986, everyone was laughing how he got away with it.
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 29 2020 at 07:04
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One of the greatest players of all time, also a cheating b*****d. Personally I'd put Pele ahead of him by a hair. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: November 29 2020 at 08:30
stole from Germany? I assume you mean the disputed 3rd goal that the linesman gave, well we won by 2 goals anyway. And you're showing double standards by criticising the English for moaning about a goal 34 years ago, then insinuating about a goal 54 years ago.
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Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: November 29 2020 at 09:45
Before that 3rd goal the game was tied. Using the argument that you won by 2 goals anyway, as if the normal development of a football match was a formal science like mathematics, just shows how much you understand about the sport. We'll never know what could have happened if that ILLEGAL goal that everyone saw with the exception of the linesman hadn't been granted. I just used this as an example of how much you people like to take the moral high ground whenever it is convenient. Of course both the Argentina and England goal vs Germany should not have counted. |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 29 2020 at 10:17
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The difference is that if the England goal wasn't a goal (I've never seen anything definitive either way) then it was a linesmans mistake. Maradona cheated with a deliberate hand ball. One is definitive the other is debatable, one was an honest mistake the other cheating. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: November 29 2020 at 10:31
Sure. Tell that to the millions of Germans watching the finals at the time (also, this happened in a finals game, not quarterfinals) "Sorry guys. Sure. We robbed you, but it was an honest mistake" Debatable is if Neuer fouled Higuain in 2014. Or if the 1990 penalty granted for Germany in the finals was correct or not. Neither Maradona's nor England's illegal goal are debatable. |
Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: November 29 2020 at 10:40
 If you've never seen anything definitive related to that illegal goal, was because you never wanted to see in the first place |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: November 29 2020 at 11:29
Couldn't have put it better myself, if England did benefit from an error then what were they supposed to do about it? Maradona's handball was deliberate and he could have owned up to it.
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: November 29 2020 at 11:31
Does this prove anything? Was it taken before or after the ball bounced? What direction was it travelling in at the time? Don't forget this was 1966, there was no VAR then.
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Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: November 29 2020 at 11:42
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I guess the reason why the so called hand of god in a quarterfinals game is so meaningful and painful to you even to this day must be because of the lack of accolades England has internationally in football. For Argentina, a nation that has played 5 World cup finals, it's just another quarterfinals game. |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: November 29 2020 at 11:46
Ooh, that's a bit cutting. True, but cutting. It doesn't alter the fact that this was blatant cheating.
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 29 2020 at 12:12
The aggrieved party always feels it more, the beneficiary just moves on to the next game. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 29 2020 at 12:16
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https://images.app.goo.gl/Ffcc5oayZGrNjAfr5" rel="nofollow - https://images.app.goo.gl/Ffcc5oayZGrNjAfr5 ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: November 29 2020 at 12:27
There's a spanish saying that goes: "ladrón que roba a otro ladrón tiene 100 años de perdón". Its translation means something like: "thief who robs another thief has a hundred years of forgiveness". So I guess we could start judging Maradona in about 70 years. |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: November 29 2020 at 15:46
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Well I'm a German and a football fan, but honestly, to me football is one thing (about which I'm pretty passionate), nationality is quite another (about which I'm not - ultimately we're all the same and whether we're born in the country of Maradona, Beckenbauer, Buffon, Alf Ramsey, or a country like India that didn't have any international football success is just a coincidence meaning nothing). The English can have their World Cup 1966 as far as I'm concerned; actually the goal was taken away from them again, see 3:48 of this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R1u5ddl2RU I wasn't around in 1966 but I was around in 2010 and I enjoyed it tremendously (actually watched this in London with some German friends and lots of annoyed English fans around, but they were not annoyed about us, rather about their team). As far as Maradona is concerned, he was obviously a troubled soul with more than enough of a dark side, but he gave happiness and amazement to loads of people through his playing. Many footballers and many people all over the world cheat once in a while but not many of them will be remembered like Maradona. (By the way if he or Pele is truly number one isn't really very important either. They did what they did and they won what they won, and that's it. In football there are two teams and it's about who of them scores more goals. It's not individual sport and for sure it's not a personality contest.) |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 29 2020 at 16:06
Agreed, and given this I'd throw George Best into the conversation. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: November 29 2020 at 17:59
I agree with most of this. But I will give my two cents on Maradona anyway. I do believe he was a deeply flawed soul. Part of it may have been due to his origins and the fact that he became a celebrity even before he ever played his first professional game, living a life almost impossible to live. I also believe he might have been the only player constantly being judged upon his behaviour instead of his prowess. Simply because it was politcally correct to hate on Maradona. Take for instance the comments on this thread. I can imagine Pelé was the best player of his generation. However, there is simply not enough footage to consider him better than Maradona other than fragments of poorly shot old videos (or if the people commenting here are over 70 years old and effectively saw Pele play during his prime, which I don't think is the case). Finally, and I don't think anyone can argue this, Maradona was simply the most impactful individuality on a team. Pelé had a constellation of stars next to him in Brazil, the same with Messi in Barcelona, and the same for almost any other great player you can think of. Maradona did miracles both with Argentina and Napoli. In adversity, he thrived even more. He proudly was the symbol and icon of the weak and oppressed. And that's why he generated such unmatched passion among fans. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: November 30 2020 at 00:05
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RIP ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: November 30 2020 at 02:10
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One of my favourite players growing up...alongside Ruud Gullit. Watching the recent documentary about him and it all makes sense. How many times have we come across the story of some underpriviliged and extremely poor person making a huge name of him/herself...and then struggling to cope with the sudden kiss of fame? With Maradona though we’re slightly passed that. Imagine being looked at and talked to like you indeed were a living god. I’m not sure any sympathetic person can cope with that in a healthy fashion. I’ll always remember his skills as a footballer before anything else though. He was one of the finest players ever to adorn the grass. RIP Diego  ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 30 2020 at 11:08
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Hi, Sad ... and even sadder that his passing is creating a windfall of legal crap ... the guy can not even leave us and not create a problem! But it is sad for Argentina, and the "need" that many countries have for "heroes" and Maradona does fit the bill, as an editorial comment of how much the game means to so many people in a country where so much has gone wrong, and is still ruled by a "junta" of sorts of rich people that still control the economy and everything else. The one person that meant so much for them, is gone. I got to see, in Brazil, around 1963 or 1964, Pele play an exhibition in Araraquara (state of Sao Paulo), and I suppose that when the time comes he will cause a similar situation to that of Maradona, and I might even shed a tear, because I know, and remember, how valuable he was to ALL of the game in Brazil, and how the radio (at the time) loved to try and explain to you all the little foot tricks and moments on the pitch, and our town had 2 stations running the game, just to give you how important it was for everyone! I can't imagine it being any less important in Argentina. Today, the age of commercialism and TV, you can barely see the games because some other network controls it, and in the end, soccer in America is not going to improve its stature because of it ... no one hears any of it, no one knows it exists, and if you ask who the 4 semifinalists are in MLS ... I doubt most people can name one or two teams. Let's see ... Sounders, the Crew and Revolution ... don't remember the 4th team! A good footballer, but it is strange that people love to talk about his "hand" when in those days, there was more cheating going on with hands than we can shake a finger at and there were not as many referees as there are today ... not to mention that television controls the game a lot more now than ever ... and this is the part that FIFA hates the most ... they want the TV money but they hate what it brings ... but in those days, people hit Pele's ankles left and right to take him out of the game ... and they did the same thing with Maradona and many others ... and here we complain about a hand ... when in those days it was all about how many times you could get around with a hand and the referee did not see it, because he was in your opposite side! Today, with TV, this is impossible! But in those days ... now you know why FIFA is not wanting VAR or anything like it ... it takes their "cheating" and acquisition of all the moneys away from them ... and hopefully will end up making them all redundant ... I think FIFA is on its last legs and might not last out another decade! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Machinemessiah
Date Posted: December 16 2020 at 14:22
Whooa! We must be of similar age..  Well said. I'd only add Marco van Basten to that.  I was surprised for how it struck me the passing of Diego. I ended up crying that day. Totally disagreed with his politics; his personal life is his, and I'm very respectful of that, but what he brought to us kids in the 80's was unparalleled, for what I'm most grateful. A true legend. He was here in Chile a couple of times and went to tv shows.. I loved his humility and respect, I think he never lost it. He expressed much closeness with Chile, sports journalists, fellow players and the like.  Tons of charisma as a player, R.I.P. Diego! thanks for having been you. |