Typical American Superhero/ine Names
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Topic: Typical American Superhero/ine Names
Posted By: Shadowyzard
Subject: Typical American Superhero/ine Names
Date Posted: November 09 2020 at 13:14
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I'm talking about superhero/ine names like Superman, Supergirl, Catwoman, Batman, Spiderman etc. From a Turkish standpoint, for most of us, they are horrible really. This is precisely because of the meanings, not how they sound. I guess for the Americans, they are mostly OK. (I'm not sure on this.) How about you? You can tell your opinions, as well as how they are received by your public's majority. Here we go! 
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: November 09 2020 at 16:31
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I will give a thurough answer when i have an apt keyboard infront of me. -------------  
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: November 09 2020 at 16:51
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I'm a fan of Daredevil. My favourite superhero. -------------  BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: November 09 2020 at 17:20
| How are Turkish superheroes generally named then? |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: November 09 2020 at 18:30
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Ok, but then I am an older American who grew up with these names....what one needs to keep in mind is that these names were invented in the 1940's and 50's...1962 for Spidey ...when things were much more mundane and basic. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: November 09 2020 at 19:12
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my favorite is Wolverine -------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: JD
Date Posted: November 09 2020 at 20:05
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Given that they were created in the early part of the 20th Century they are exactly what they needed to be. Blunt and to the point. Now, take Deadpool or Negasonic Teenage Warhead, those are modern superhero/ine names. ------------- Thank you for supporting independently produced music |
Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: November 09 2020 at 22:45
We have epic/heroic tradition, like most of the cultures I guess. But, the modern "superhero" thing is not one of our genuine cultural elements. We've some stuff in that vein, but I presume they are American rip-offs and I'm not much aware of that modern tradition. As for the older traditions, we have "Köroğlu Destanı", for instance. It can be translated to English as, "The Saga of the Son of the Blind". (Köroğlu can be translated as Son of the Blind.) How does it sound to you?  I'm quoting you but will speak in general, below. First of all, I am not critical, nor am I judgemental on this. Sense of "coolness", just as sense of humour does not always translate well, that's all. Moreover, I may be counted amongst the bilingual, my second language being English. Therefore, to me they don't sound horrible or ridiculous, personally. I also get that this type of naming comes from a different time period. BTW, I always hated Superman and liked Batman and Spiderman. I also loved Conan comics. Yet I can say that I'm more of a villain guy. Long live Skeletor!  |
Vompatti wrote:Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: November 09 2020 at 23:12
| We have legendary popstars, instead: Süperstar Ajda Pekkan and Megastar Tarkan. Both are world-class singers, by the way. |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: November 10 2020 at 09:48
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My top 10 superheroes films/comics media. 1. The Flash (Barry Allan) 2. Captain America 3. Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) 4. Phantom Stranger 5. Swamp Thing 6. New Gods in general (Orion, Mr Miracle, Big Barda) 7. Captain Marvel (Billy Batson) 8. Martian Manhunter 9. Spiderman 10. Etrigan the Demon -------------
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: November 10 2020 at 10:38
It sounds like something I might be interested in reading about but not necessarily a name that would be as appealing to American kids in the 30s and 40s as the simpler and more modern superhero names. A lot of comic books have similar archetypes as in traditional hero myths, just in a bit more flashy and immediately attractive setting. Superman in particular is such a lame name though that it's hard to imagine how it ever was cool. Even the character is uninteresting because it's too "super". |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: November 10 2020 at 12:04
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There are obvious parallels between bibel Moses and Superman. Like in in Supermans origin story, only reversed. -------------
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Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: November 10 2020 at 14:08
Mine from the X-Men is Gambit. Yet, the best thing I've ever watched about superheroes was Batman: The Animated Series (1992-95) 
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 10 2020 at 21:25
Hi, Your country has a massive history, and thus the "notion" of hero is diluted because there were so many of them going back hundreds and hundreds of years. America is "hero starved" in the sense that Hollywood has taken up the content and stories of the magazines that we used to buy in the late 40's, 50's and 60's ... and for Hollywood, these were stories already written, and made the concentration on making the cartoon character be more "real", which many actors have done well with it ... witness The Joker, which was magnificently played along side a pretty poor excuse for a film.
I thought that almost all of those "hero" films were not worth the effort and I ignored many of them, but I had to watch Michael Keaton (incredible actor on stage and film!!! Watch him in Much Ado About Nothing in his cameo ... superlative!) and then Jack Nicholson take on a role that made the original Joker look badly written and designed! All the rest is just another money maker for Hollywood, milking any kid's imagination from his/her younger days! As it is said in the business ... just money in the bank! Stop worrying about anything else!
------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: November 10 2020 at 22:23
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Hercules is one of the oldest/erliest superheroes -------------
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Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: November 11 2020 at 04:33
Yes, but all the world seems to know, aside from the ancients, is the Anglocentric legends and American modern fictional "heroisms" in literature. For instance, did you know that the Russians had a VERY similar legend to King Arthur & the Knights of the Round Table? I read it from an academical book long ago. The writer (academician) says that probably one of them is the copycat of the other, but it is not certain which one was the original. He also says it can be pure coincidence. This still means that the English legend might not be original, but everybody believes so, for the obvious reason. Yes, the English can be cunning, indeed. I have quite some more examples to put here about this, but don't want to start a virtual WWIII. 
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 11 2020 at 08:23
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Hi, Not necessarily ... but I am from Portugal, and went to Brazil, and then America ... which is very different ... Portugal still reveres all the folks that went to sea to "discover" the world, and prove their school's (Sagres) theory that the world was round, and of course, many of the sailors did a lot of going around the world, which, as time went by was kinda diluted to nothing, as the Spanish and others kind of took over ... In Spain, the story of El Cid was very important ... one of the first to be able to make the Moors leave the area altogether, but it's influence in language and the like is still there some, not to mention the artistry specially in the music! In "comparison", it makes sense that the Americans would create "superheroes" on their "geebees" (as we called them in Brazil ... and 20 years later make movies of them. By comparison, Japan ignored "anime" for a long time and kept milking the monsters instead and not their artists in film (like Kurosawa) and eventually "anime" got its independence and it has sold much more than we give them credit for, and they are, for all intents and purposes the "superheroes" in their comic form, a bit late, but then the monsters were the superheroes ... in a country where it was subjugated by the Americans to drop anything having to do with heroes and the like. (... that's how I see it btw). All in all, most of the "hero" stories and books and such are cartoons for me ... not real, whereas the stuff out of Europe is more real, and that is likely why I do not care much for the movies or the characters created here. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: November 11 2020 at 08:48
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Heros and superheros are products of the our aspiration to change and to give a voice of power to the powerless. To give a voice for the frustrated/lost/earning/hopefull/willing souls. To expand upon philosphical/sosiological/theological themes and questions. Superhero stories are in nature abtropological puzzels, one of few cultural items that use a multitude of mediums to transform its message across. Superhero comics are in natue multi medial. As it crosse 4 to 5 medias, as in visual, pictural, describtive, motional. Comic strip inn general also came to realisation almost at the same time as popular music and motion pictures, so they share the same timeline in late 1890s - almost parallely they have existed as part of modern culture. -------------
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 11 2020 at 09:05
Hi, That is the American version ... European and Asian and Middle East history goes much further and there are real heroes in there and one of them was the inspiration for a big book that Neal Morse misquotes all the time! Their "stories" are a part of the Western Civilization books ... whereas American history barely makes a mark there until WW2 with a couple of generals and then a bomb! There is a difference, this the desire to create a cartoon character would be bigger here, than over there, where the cartoons will likely be more political (have been for 500 years!) and heavily censored in many cases (ie, the churches and their religion!) to the point of killing. At least in the American versions, it is, story wise, much better, and not as vindictive as some of the things that changed history were and became. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: November 12 2020 at 12:13
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I grew up in the 50's and 60's ,graduated high school '69. I like the early super heroes no special order...got into the second tier ones.. Dr Strange Thor Iron Man Fantastisc Four Green Lantern I have a complete original run of Dr Strange ,the first comic series on Marvel. And about half of the early Strange Tales original run. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: November 12 2020 at 12:22
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^ have you seen Jonathan Ross documennmrmtary about "finding and meeting Steve Ditko? It is very good and a unique entrence into a very reluctent celebrity ( as we never actualy meets him ) quite a shy legend. But hes style of comics was very powerfull and original. -------------
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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: December 30 2020 at 18:16
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Superman was first coined by Nietzsche. Most superheroes were not really of or from an epic tradition. Other Iron Man and Bat Man not really from high society. The names tend to reflect something edgy about them or quirky about their powers, not so much anything glorious. I find this thread quite interesting as a linguist btw. ------------- A curse upon the heads of those who seek their fortunes in a lie. The truth is always waiting when there's nothing left to try. - Colin Henson, Jade Warrior (Now) |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: December 30 2020 at 18:23
with Nietzsche it was the "Übermensch". I would translate this as "superior man". you may argue it is the same as "superman", but I tend to differ ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: December 30 2020 at 19:27
Captain Underpants........ -------------   
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