OPETH vs PT vs DT
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Topic: OPETH vs PT vs DT
Posted By: tortellino
Subject: OPETH vs PT vs DT
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 07:49
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Hello dears. As you should see, I'm a newbie here, but I think that after years of listening my favourite s**t fairly well, so I wanna start my forum life with a BANG! Listen here... Even I loved Dream Theater as much as my right arm (and, by the way, I still like them very much...) I think they lost their edge some year ago; the last CD I fully enjoy is SDOIT; in fact the only song I really enjoy from Octavarium is the title track, and just because it has "PINK FLOYD" written all over it. This year, I think both Opeth and Porcupine Tree did a better job, with two absolute masterpieces, with far better songs and equally jaw-dropping musicianship. Anyway, given the fact that my main musical interest today is Grateful Dead, you can already call me "30 years old fart"! |
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 08:18
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Ow yes we can... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5"> 
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Posted By: tortellino
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 08:29
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Aw, my God! My first reply! Thank to ED for getting your hands dirty and reply to my post... Great logo, ED... It's Shadow Gallery, isn't it? Still, better songs than DT, and kick-a** musicianship; I really enjoy ROOM V, and of course Floydian Memories... |
Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 08:34
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^ Well... 1 day and I'll have My hands on Room V... Me thinks You Really don't love DT after SFAM... Its true that Octavarium isn't a masterpiece... but hey, FII was even worse IMO An btw, ToT wasn't a album for everyone... You know that... But whats wrong with The Six Degrees? I ovverreact on DT bashing nowadays, becouse I'm going 2 see 'em the 1st time live in 3 days!!!! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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... So if Everything is correct & the stras are in place, we are going 2 have a nice DT album in the vein of SFAM or I&W in 2007...Posted By: tortellino
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 08:48
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Get ROOM V as soon as you can! Anyway, Tyranny is and will be nearly unbeatable... About DT, nothing's wrong with SDOIT, as it is the CD from them that I listen the most, even more than SFAM (which I really like, and think it's their best). About ToT, when I got it I listened to it for 1 MONTH straight, without pulling it out from my car stereo! Now, it sounds to me like a "hollow" album, without much feeling and melody, only lots of technique, and speed, and killer riffs... That why, from time to time, I go back to it, but with no great expectations; still, it is played more than FII... Go to the gig and enjoy it, because they are great live; I've seen them in 1999, and maybe I'll go to the gig too when they come to Italy at the end of october. |
Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 08:55
So You don't know what will happen in one year with Ghost Reveries or Deadwing... Maybe those albums will become a bit shalow (especially the seconds, since theres a song like that there ) as ToT was? Only time will tell... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: tortellino
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 09:09
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I think you're right, we must wait, but I think Deadwing it's a truly great album, or at least it doesn't sound like a 1'000'000 tons train running through your ears, just like ToT... In a year time, anyway, I'll have 5 or 6 new Grateful Dead releases to worry about, so what the f**k...?
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Posted By: R_DeNIRO
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 09:40
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Only say that Room V is the best album of Shadow Gallery (with a lot of a distance over the others SG's releases. Tyranny included). Porcupine's tree Deadwing is great, but In Absentia or Lightbulb sun are better. In the case of Opeth, Blackwater Park or Damnation are much better than Ghost Reveries too. In conlusion: the last releases of Dream Theater (ToT, Ocatavarium), Opeth (Deliverance, Ghost Reveries) and Porcupine Tree (Deadwing) are clearly inferior than their previous albums (DT's Metropolis II, Six Degrees; Opeth's Blackwater Park, Damnation; PT's Lightbulb Sun, In Absentia). Nowadays they are in same point. ------------- We were always be much human than we whish to be. |
Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 09:49
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I'm gona go with DT, but prcupine tree is a great second Octavarium...oh god i do this one too often as for ToT- really good, but as tortellino stated, it doesnt have much feeling or emotion... FII on the other hand is an amzinmg amlbum! Very oirgnal with some damn good songs. Myungs bass playing is at his best here because of shrininan . Derrek brouhgt alot of funk improv jamming stuff which i think is really cool( especially on Lines in the Sand) this funkieness gave a lot of oppertunity for Myung, and really all the band, to really show off their sh*t without going into crazy unison lines. Six degrees- disc one is very weak because of it's flow, it dies after blind faith, but disc two!!!! disc two is amazing and some of their best work! Deadwing sucks....I'm sorry but compared to their other stuff, it does! I personnaly havent heard ghost reveries, but thats cause i hate Opeth...
------------- I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t. -Stone Beard |
Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 10:13
I actually prefer disc one over disc 2... The Great Debate is one their best songs EVER!!! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 11:11
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a month ago, I would have told you DT without hesitation. Opeth
has been quite impressive, but overall I have to say that Porcupine
Tree has possibly become my new favorite band. The first album i
bought was In Absentia a few months ago, since then I've gotten into
Deadwing and Signify as well. These guys are a truly great band
that deserves FAR more recognition than they get. ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 11:15
Signify & Up the Downstair =  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: nimrodel
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 11:15
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they are all brilliant. but first. porcupine tree second. dt second and a half. opeth ------------- We want... a shrubbery! |
Posted By: Karl Hungus
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 12:29
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Why vs? Why not all together? I suppose Opeth would be one of my favourite bands, moreso than Dream Theater or Porcupine Tree. But that's just me. ------------- 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 12:39
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Any DT album is better than Tyranny ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 12:48
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^Watch it, Snowy The only DT album better then Tyranny is I&W!!! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 12:49
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PT and Opeth on the rise I see DT on a slight Decline I love all three bands- yeah- the last DT album I enjoyed was SDOIT (disc 2 of course) Ghost Revries and Deadwing are top-notch |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 13:03
Can't agree I'm afraid, Tyranny is pretty average! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Ed_The_Dead wrote:Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 13:19
The best album of 1998... propbably one of the best albums of the 90s IMO ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 13:22
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 13:24
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 13:32
Tyranny is an absolutely amazing album. It's full of stunning melodies and brilliant musicianship. Comparing it to I&W ... I love both, so I simply won't do that! ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 13:34
I&W has the honoralbe 1st place cuz it brought me into the prog world... But Tyranny is probably one of my all time favs now... Tomorow I'll get 2 learn Room V!!!! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: tortellino
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 13:37
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Hello again, dears. Thank to all of you, who ignited some life on my post. Obviously, I also love all three bands, but at this time I think OPETH had the better "evolution"; I listened randomly to some old songs of theirs, and they were pretty weak, IMO; they got much better with the last three CDs. Porcupine Tree are also favourites here, now they are playing with that heavier edge that previous material was missing (but it was good nonetheless); also PT are evoluting in this way, even if the new sound doesn't appeal to everyone of us... DT is the weak link here (sorry...! I listened to FII last week after a loooong time, and it's not bad at all, but it is radically different from every other release by DT; so, we can say that, at the time, that WAS evolution... Wether in a bad or a good way, this has to be different for everyone of us. Am I awfully wrong?
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Posted By: Gentle Ronnie
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 13:38
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Opeth
Dream Theater ------------- 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 13:38
Sorry I don't hear it! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: tortellino
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 13:44
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Ok, I have two choices for shower time: 1) put TYRANNY on the stereo and bang my head against the wall while listening to it, or 2) sing the whole of I&W in the shower by myself, at the top of my 1/2 octave vocal range... Please, discuss... |
Posted By: Gentle Ronnie
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 13:44
I see what you mean about evolution, but I disagree with you about Opeth. The first four albums of theirs had much better music than anything they did after. The only weak thing about them is production, but if you don't count, they kick all sorts of ass you can imagine. -------------
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 13:45
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Says Snowy, a man listening 2 a band thats called Canoe ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 13:47
Banging Your head with Tyranny is more fun... But listening 2 I&W under the shower is healthy The choice is Yours ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 13:48
It'll say "Ayreon" soon! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 13:49
You're not talking about Tyranny the band, are you?
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 13:49
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(OPETH > PT) < DT
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 13:49
Shall it be The Human Eqation? Or maybe the Electric Castle or Migrator? Or maybe Tyranny? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 13:50
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Get outta here, You sad excuse for the Romanian version of Riccy Martin!!! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 13:52
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 13:52
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You're a freak. I'll tell you a little secret: Klaus Schulze is O V E R R A T E D. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 13:54
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 13:54
Migrator....Cd 2!!!!! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 13:56
I may be a freak,but I know what I like (and I like what I know) -------------
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 13:57
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Check out the Star One album if you like the Universal Migrator. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Gentle Ronnie
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 13:57
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Opeth, PTree > Tangerine Dream -------------
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Posted By: horza
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 13:59
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Opeth are on the rise,PT and DT slightly behind ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 14:03
No need to, a friend has it and I have Star One Live! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: tortellino
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 14:14
| I bought universal migrator as a 2 CDs set, I listened to it, and found it boring and overlong... Already sold it. Sorry, Snow, mr. Lucassen has nothing interesting for me... And Tyranny is a GREAT album! Listening to it now... |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 14:34
Is this turning into a protest against me,cause if so,I'm not impressed... -------------
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 14:38
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First you insult all PT, DT and Opeth fans by equalling them to 0.00 stars and then if someone says something against TD you're complaining. Man, you really are a FREAK. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 14:40
Hey I said I'm not impressed... Oh,nevermind... -------------
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 14:42
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post updated,check page 2... bleah... -------------
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Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 14:43
| Just shut yer gob Rico. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 14:44
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 14:45
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 14:50
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^ I don't have a problem with you insulting others, but you should be able to handle the feedback. Remember: This is a thread about DT, PT and Opeth. You wouldn't want fans of those bands to "invade" a thread about Klaus Schulze, would you? ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 15:00
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Mr. A.A. Luccassen & Shadow Gallery are both great... And I'm gonna enjoy both ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 15:36
I'm sorry,I didn't saw my answer to the topic question as a insult...IT IS JUST MY OPINION,I DON'T LIKE ANY OF THE THREE BANDS... I don't get what the big fuss is.... -------------
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 16:01
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Let's just close this thread and DT is better than those two other great bands!
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