Are the Beastie Boys progressive?
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Topic: Are the Beastie Boys progressive?
Posted By: softandwet
Subject: Are the Beastie Boys progressive?
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 09:51
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In term of music, could they be labeled as a progressive rap band? ------------- So don’t evade the surgeon’s blade Cos the answer could be in your mind Maybe one cut and we’ll find We’re just a wavelength behind But we are entwined And I know what you need |
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 09:53
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Omg. Really? -------------  https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: softandwet
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 09:56
Honestly I don't know and was just asking, but listening to them recently, I thought there was some progressive element in their music ------------- So don’t evade the surgeon’s blade Cos the answer could be in your mind Maybe one cut and we’ll find We’re just a wavelength behind But we are entwined And I know what you need |
siLLy puPPy wrote:Posted By: micky
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 10:16
well yeah... I mean it is really a question if they are or not... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 10:17
This kind of reminds me of the kind of question the 16 year olds would ask on reddit.  It's a legitimate question though. Those who only know their "hits" might not understand why someone would ask in the same way someone who only knows the hits of Kansas or Genesis might not understand the question and think it's silly. I'm not overly familiar with the Beatie Boys but I do know they brought in some outside influences to their music and so I think it makes sense. I'll let others give a more formal answer here though.
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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 10:21
| I know where you're coming from, The Beastie Boys were a very unique band, incorporating all kinds of musical styles to their music with a big emphasis on playing (they even have an all instrumental album). Check Your Head is a masterpiece imo and a great example of their varied influences, going from jazz to funk to punk and a lot more. I don't know about labeling it as progressive but it's definitely diverse and unique, for me they are a lot more interesting than a lot of prog bands. |
Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 10:35
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Just for fun |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 11:24
| ^I think their instrumental album is just a compilation album featuring instrumental tracks from previous albums though. |
Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 11:29
| ^ It's not. |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 11:32
If I have to say Yes or No.......I say "Yeaaaaaa!!"  . Early on they took a lot of influence from rock, not that only rock can be progressive (that's dumb!), but they were an influence to bands like Korn, Linkin Park and how they mix rapping/talk vocals and rock music, Disturbed did this a lot also.They began in late 70's, 3 white dudes from NYC doing massive justice to rap beginnings....At times they were not taken serious but they proved themselves with time. Progressive rap sure, not sure discussions here are needed but I am sure other general music sites yes.
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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 11:47
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FFS...🤓 Lets bin TFTO and get some beastie boys...I'd rather listen to a shortsighted randy bull elephant shagging a rusty old steam engine boiler... ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 12:17
| ^ Thank you for your insightful comment, you are really an asset to this site. |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 13:46
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For the time period in question, I think Public Enemy would be the group that really took rap to all new places and new innovations. ------------- Help the victims of the russian invasion: http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28523&PID=130446&title=various-ways-you-can-help-ukraine#130446 |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 13:50
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No. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 14:03
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In a broad sense, perhaps. As the term relates to this website and community - I'd say no. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: Jaketejas
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 19:15
| It’s Sabotage! |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 19:56
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Diverse? Can't really argue against that. But it doesn't really have any elements I would qualify as progressive. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Jaketejas
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 20:03
| Sabotage is a song by the Beastie Boys, for those who don’t know their work. My crude attempt at humor. Anyone remember when Rush tried rap on Roll the Bones? Ugh! Give me Intergalactic Planetary any day over that! |
Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 20:42
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Are you asking if they belong to category called progressive rap? If so, depends on how that category is defined. I don't think it exists. If it does, how is it defined. I guess I would categorize them as alternative hip hop/rap. If you are asking whether are progressive within rap, by expanding the boundaries of rap by incorporating other forms of music, ideas, and innovations, then perhaps. It depends on how you want to differentiate between being progressive or alternative. |
Posted By: Jaketejas
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 20:48
| Anthrax did rap metal. Anyone remember that? |
Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 20:53
| Yes, I'm the Man. |
Posted By: Jaketejas
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 20:59
| The question must be raised! |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 21:12
This is funny because someone added Beastie Boys to MMA (MetalMusicArchives) and i was like OMG, really? Turns out they have a couple hardcore punk EPs which qualifies them. This all goes back to the age old question what is prog and what is progressive in a general sense. I actually love the Beastie Boys. Have all their albums. Blast the bass and beats. Never considered them progressive, just very clever and artistic. What do you consider progressive about them? ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 21:16
| Why was this moved? |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 21:20
As far as I can tell the only full instrumental album they put out was "the in sound from way out!" which is indeed a compilation.
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Posted By: Jaketejas
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 21:21
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And Red Hot Chili Peppers. They blended rock and rap, too, no? The person who posted this is bringing up a point that probably should not be dismissed so lightly. Is it possible for Prog to incorporate rap? |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 21:24
Ok, I see there is also the mix up but that didn't get very good reviews apparently.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 21:24
Imo, RHCP were probably the first band to do so. Anyway, I say it is possible and it's likely it has been done to some degree or another.
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Posted By: Jaketejas
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 21:34
| I would tend to agree. Certainly artists have blended Prog and funk. For example, Jazz-rock fusion. I think it could be something along those lines. It is a progressive thing to do, but it’s not Starship Trooper. |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 21:55
Well, if we want to be a bit lazy in our definition of prog and rap we can say that Rush already did it with the title track to roll the bones.
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Posted By: Jaketejas
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 22:02
| Yeah, I mentioned that one earlier (but it is so bad! Polyester slacks and zodiacs). Plllleeez! I’ll take Intergalactic any day over that. :-) |
Posted By: Sacro_Porgo
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 22:05
Well that depends, what are your feelings on Roll The Bones by Rush? ------------- Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :) |
Posted By: Jaketejas
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 22:10
| Please see my previous posts. |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 23:32
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RHCP came after Beastie Boys.... -------------
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 00:09
| I don't care. |
Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 00:19
Yer what? You prog dinosaur...get with the new zeitgeist and get the beastie boys on your deck and throw all that long winded shyte in the bin... Move over redundo, make way for the juves...😎 ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 01:31
That was my reaction too when I saw the title of this thread.
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 02:02
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In b4 "it's all prog". ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 02:09
| No |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 02:54
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 02:59
 yeah, they rule!
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 08:47
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Are the Beastie Boys progressive? - are greenfly good for gardening tips? Why do you conflate what we both might like with something that is clearly incompatible with even the broadest interpretation of the PA genre definitions? Never was a poster so aptly named. Get in the sea. ------------- 
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Posted By: Jaketejas
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 10:06
| I think a nerve has been struck. We must drill down further! We have to get to the bottom of this. So where were we? Ah, yes: Rush (Roll the Bones), Beastie Boys, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Anthrax ... who else would you consider to be in a newly minted Prog Rap genre? I’m curious to see where you’re going with this, since we all clearly respect each other’s opinions here. We are just brainstorming at this point. |
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 10:54
This expresses my sentiments well. While I do love and appreciate the Beastie Boys for their fresh innovative music--which, is, in my opinion, "progressive"--they don't really belong on PA (even though a couple of their albums make me stop and consider.) ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: Jaketejas
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 11:07
| Imagine The Sugar Hill Gang being a forerunner to this potentially new category. And who can forget M’s Pop Muzik, which obviously inspired Rush’s Vital Signs lyrics with all the “-ate” rhymes. What about Blondie, who blended New Wave, Disco, Funk, and Hip Hop? That was quite a progressive thing to do. Are you thinking to put Blondie in there with Anthrax and company, or would she be in a sub genre? I see a lot of interesting possibilities here. The mind wanders. Comedy and Rap ... Weird Al’s White and Nerdy ... progressive “in the extreme” but different from that of Beastie Boys. What about all the rap like sounds in ELP’s Toccata Ginastera? I think it shouldn’t just be written off. I’m no expert on rap, though. Probably there are others here who are who could provide some thoughtful insights over my blatherings. Prog rap. Anyone? |
Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 12:42
| No. No prog rap on this site. Or would that be "rap-rock fusion" like we have jazz-rock fusion (which I don't think should necessarily be a sub-genre of prog rock but that's another discussion). |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 13:24
Technically that might be true but the Beastie Boys first album was 1986 while RHCP's first was in 1984.
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Posted By: Jaketejas
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 14:39
| So ... what is the consensus? Another dimension? |
Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: June 09 2020 at 08:25
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I love the Beastie Boys. A lot. They were more Punk than Prog though... ------------- The Prog Corner |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: June 09 2020 at 09:46
1986 may have been the first LP. But they had hardcore EP's dating back to 1982. First Def jam EP was 84. No RHCP material pre-dates that. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow"> https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: June 09 2020 at 10:02
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Not prog but tracks like this a cool AF ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: June 09 2020 at 10:17
The consensus is this is a rock site not a rap site, the dimension of discussions like this thread is probably the extent of it. -------------
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: June 09 2020 at 10:21
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Love the Beastie Boys ever since I bought Paul’s Boutique..although it’s been a while since I last span anything by them. I remember them fondly from the Intergalactic tour and a wild gig at the Roskilde Festival. Prog rock? Nope. Experimental hip hop? Some times  Great act? Oh yes! ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: foregonillusions
Date Posted: June 10 2020 at 00:12
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Sometimes, I think people forget the "rock" in progressive rock, and that "progressive" is mostly shorthand for prog rock.
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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: June 10 2020 at 00:57
| ^Not that I think they should be included here or anything but actually the Beastie Boys had more rock than many artists in PA. |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: June 10 2020 at 07:05
The reason Beastie Boys gets thrown into the rock category is because they did indeed have some rock releases. Check out their punk rock debut EP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc9299vZrkU&list=PLH-Zovpk8Uxg9ydC19V-pLDO8vGlmEsRz" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc9299vZrkU&list=PLH-Zovpk8Uxg9ydC19V-pLDO8vGlmEsRz And their breakthrough hit "Fight For Your Right (To Party)" was hard rock / metal But no, not prog rock in the least ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: foregonillusions
Date Posted: June 10 2020 at 09:08
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I stand corrected. Still, the foundation should be rock with all the good, "progressive", stuff built on top. |