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Topic: Most financially successful prog artist?
Posted By: cstack3
Subject: Most financially successful prog artist?
Date Posted: May 29 2020 at 22:20
There has always been a misconception of "filthy rich" rock stars, and some (Mick Jagger, Paul McCartney etc.) probably deserve that label. 

However, I always considered prog rock musicians as toiling away for their craft, and not being particularly successful in terms of personal wealth. 

Who might be the wealthiest of the prog rock artist community?  


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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 29 2020 at 23:08
I'd take a guess at Phil Collins, the second wealthiest drummer in the world. I'm not sure if he's still the wealthiest after his £20 million divorce settlement though. Smile


Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: May 29 2020 at 23:15
Well, I guess it depends on your definition of prog but over all I would say Pink Floyd by far. As for solo artist probably Peter Gabriel.


Posted By: Sacro_Porgo
Date Posted: May 29 2020 at 23:40
Gotta be Waters, Gilmore, Mason, Collins, or Gabriel. Then again it could be Alex and Geddy from Rush, they seem like they've always been really smart with their money, just take a look at Geddy's priceless baseball collection.

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Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: May 29 2020 at 23:58
Whoever gets to perform at stadiums rather than theater halls gets to be the wealthiest so it could be any of the above (except for Gabriel).


Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: May 30 2020 at 00:24
Gabriel would also have inherited shed loads, as would phillips, Rutherford and Banks...

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Posted By: Sacro_Porgo
Date Posted: May 30 2020 at 00:56
Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Gabriel would also have inherited shed loads, as would phillips, Rutherford and Banks...

I think the difference with Mike and Tony is they didn't have nearly as massive solo careers as Peter or Phil, so their looking at the majority of their wealth coming from Genesis alone while Phil and Peter make a lot off of Genesis and their solo stuff (though Peter probably doesn't make that much off of Genesis so he's probably less wealthy than Phil).

Poor Steve Hackett, out of the band before the big money and never ventured into hit-making himself. At least he's got the respect and adoration of Genesis fans everywhere and an excellent solo career in terms of prog.


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: May 30 2020 at 01:38
I've looked at these figures before just for curiosity sake, just Googled again.
Net Worth:
Roger Waters = $310 Million (why on earth is he bitchin' so much!!!)
Phil Collins = $260 Million
David Gilmour = $175 Million
Peter Gabriel = $90 Million
Neil Peart = $42 Million
Geddy Lee = $40 Million
Alex Lifeson = $35 Million
Robert Fripp = $10 Million

I'm sure these figures are estimates, but even if off by 5% is a lot of moolah.



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Posted By: Sacro_Porgo
Date Posted: May 30 2020 at 01:48
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I've looked at these figures before just for curiosity sake, just Googled again.
Net Worth:
Roger Waters = $310 Million (why on earth is he bitchin' so much!!!)
Phil Collins = $260 Million
David Gilmour = $175 Million
Peter Gabriel = $90 Million
Neil Peart = $42 Million
Geddy Lee = $40 Million
Alex Lifeson = $35 Million
Robert Fripp = $10 Million

I'm sure these figures are estimates, but even if off by 5% is a lot of moolah.


Dang I was almost right on the money!


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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: May 30 2020 at 01:55
Roger Waters, David Gilmour, Phil Collins, Peter Gabriel, Niel Peart (RIP), Geddy Lee, Steve Howe, Robert Fripp.

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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: May 30 2020 at 02:55
I’d say the guys in Iron Maiden are pretty comfy......


Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: May 30 2020 at 03:11
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

I’d say the guys in Iron Maiden are pretty comfy......

Literally. They have their own jet! Bruce also pilots it. That certification probably nets him some extra income as well, I'd imagine! Iron Maiden is an institution at this point, lol.


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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: May 30 2020 at 03:12
Googled a few more net worth estimates

Jean Michel Jarre $100 mill
Mike Oldfield $45 mill
Ian Anderson $40 mill
Pete Hammill $19 mill
Jon Anderson $12 mill
Rick Wakeman $10 mill (this one surprises me! , thought he was penniless after all the divorce's!)
Steve Howe $10 mill
Carl Palmer $10 mill
Vangelis $2.5 mill
Peter Baumann $1.2 mill

the difference between J M Jarre and Vangelis is striking! Also Peter Hammill at $19 mill is very interesting if anything like true. How did that happen?! VDGG never had a top 75 album in the UK!



Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: May 30 2020 at 03:47
^ Hammill more than Jon Anderson ? Impossible !!


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: May 30 2020 at 03:59
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

^ Hammill more than Jon Anderson ? Impossible !!

Hi,

Not really ... he has way more albums to show for his efforts than Jon does ... and in Europe, PH is a big sell and the main reason why he doesn't mind doing shows at his age ... still strong after 50 years, though a slightly forced retirement due to some issues around the world, has slowed him down ... but I'm sure that we will see at least an album or two in the future.

Unlike Jon, though, I think that PH has had control of his music for a long time ... and this makes a huge difference. Jon still has to fight with his band members to get his part, it looks like.


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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: May 30 2020 at 04:07
And it all depends on the business acumen of the individual, quite a few have been fleeced methinks...Collins by beautiful trophy wives especially...😎

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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: May 30 2020 at 04:15
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Googled a few more net worth estimates

Jean Michel Jarre $100 mill
Mike Oldfield $45 mill
Ian Anderson $40 mill
Pete Hammill $19 mill
Jon Anderson $12 mill
Rick Wakeman $10 mill (this one surprises me! , thought he was penniless after all the divorce's!)
Steve Howe $10 mill
Carl Palmer $10 mill
Vangelis $2.5 mill
Peter Baumann $1.2 mill

the difference between J M Jarre and Vangelis is striking! Also Peter Hammill at $19 mill is very interesting if anything like true. How did that happen?! VDGG never had a top 75 album in the UK!


Out of those the one that really surprises me is Peter Hammill. Wow. I thought his would be a lot less. Conversely, I would think Rick Wakeman's would be a lot more because of his tv shows, comedy tours etc not to mention his plethora of albums. I suppose divorces have hurt him financially as was stated earlier. Hey Rick get a prenup next time! LOL


Posted By: Cactus Choir
Date Posted: May 30 2020 at 04:19
Jon Anderson must have got really stiffed for the Yes royalties if he has less than Peter Hamill. JA was on several mega selling Yes albums including 90125 the biggest of the lot. VDGG were briefly big in Italy in the early 70s, but as far as major commercial success goes I thought that was about it. Has Jon had a few costly divorces like Rick?

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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: May 30 2020 at 04:24
Originally posted by Cactus Choir Cactus Choir wrote:

Jon Anderson must have got really stiffed for the Yes royalties if he has less than Peter Hamill. JA was on several mega selling Yes albums including 90125 the biggest of the lot. VDGG were briefly big in Italy in the early 70s, but as far as major commercial success goes I thought that was about it. Has Jon had a few costly divorces like Rick?


Jon was only married once before his current wife but that was a while ago(so only one divorce). I don't really know what the deal is but none of his solo albums have really sold much(none probably more than 50,000 copies). 

With VDGG you are pretty much on the money. However, they were a lot bigger in Europe(and the UK)than in the US(where they only played a few times). 

From what I understand artists don't really make much money from album sales at all. It's mostly from touring. Money from album sales goes mostly to the record companies, producers etc. Most artists make most of their money from touring. As such they need to be very careful and save a lot(especially for a situation like what we are facing now when touring isn't possible).


Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: May 30 2020 at 04:26
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

^ Hammill more than Jon Anderson ? Impossible !!

Hi,

Not really ... he has way more albums to show for his efforts than Jon does ... and in Europe, PH is a big sell and the main reason why he doesn't mind doing shows at his age ... still strong after 50 years, though a slightly forced retirement due to some issues around the world, has slowed him down ... but I'm sure that we will see at least an album or two in the future.

Unlike Jon, though, I think that PH has had control of his music for a long time ... and this makes a huge difference. Jon still has to fight with his band members to get his part, it looks like.

Hammill had a heart attack in 2003, which certainly also has slowed him down. Gotta say I'm also surprised. He doesn't come over as a millionaire, and I don't remember having seen any of his or VDGG's work in charts; not sure about 1970's Italy though (well actually not sure about many times and many places, but 1970s Italy is my best bet for him to make it big).

Maybe he's like me, earning so-so all the time and no ideas how to spend the money except the odd album and concert here and there. Tongue Not smoking and not having a car gets you somewhere money-wise. (Just a bit of life advice here. Cool I'm very far from 19 million though.)


Posted By: Cactus Choir
Date Posted: May 30 2020 at 04:39
Jon Anderson was also involved in several hit singles unlike Peter Hamill. Owner of a Lonely Heart, Wondrous Stories, I Hear You Now, I'll Find My Way Home and State of Independence. These still get plenty of airplay so you'd think that might generate a reasonable level of royalties. It all depends on how careful he's been in managing the rights to his back catalogue I suppose. I'd always assumed he was pretty astute as he used to be known as The Hippy with the Iron Hand!

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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: May 30 2020 at 04:43
Is there any credence to the figures being bandied about or is it just someone on Google pulling them out of their backside?


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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: May 30 2020 at 04:44
I wonder if Christian Vander is well-off with Magma ??


Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: May 30 2020 at 04:47
^ Depends on the exchange rate between Kobaian dollars and the Euro

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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: May 30 2020 at 04:54
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

^ Depends on the exchange rate between Kobaian dollars and the Euro

LOL

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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: May 30 2020 at 05:02
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

^ Depends on the exchange rate between Kobaian dollars and the Euro

LOL

Mekanik Destruktiw Komman dough. Wink


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Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: May 30 2020 at 05:14
Besides the obvious Pink Floyd, perhaps Kansas and more specifically Kerry Livgren?

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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: May 30 2020 at 06:08
I suspect the figures presented here are from...

http://www.celebritynetworth.com/" rel="nofollow -


Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: May 30 2020 at 06:14
I remember reading somewhere that Ian Anderson was one of the wealthiest people in Scottland. 


Posted By: JD
Date Posted: May 30 2020 at 06:55
^$35,000,000

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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: May 30 2020 at 06:58
Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

Besides the obvious Pink Floyd, perhaps Kansas and more specifically Kerry Livgren?

Not more than Genesis or Rush. Maybe about on par with Yes though.


Posted By: Woon Deadn
Date Posted: May 30 2020 at 08:15
The Beatles and Queen, of course! 

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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: May 30 2020 at 08:45
Pink Floyd guys for sure. Genesis was successful but not as prog. Pink Floyd always kept the prog even if it was prog lite


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: May 30 2020 at 09:59
Originally posted by Woon Deadn Woon Deadn wrote:

The Beatles and Queen, of course! 
The Beatles are not prog......clearly u don't know me on PA! LOLClap


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: May 30 2020 at 10:08
Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

I’d say the guys in Iron Maiden are pretty comfy......

Literally. They have their own jet! Bruce also pilots it. That certification probably nets him some extra income as well, I'd imagine! Iron Maiden is an institution at this point, lol.
I am not 100% sure they own the jet, the 747 used on the Book of Souls tour belonged to an airline in Iceland AFAIK, but I am sure they paid a good chunk of money to fly it all over the world.

Steve Harris = $30 Million
Bruce Dickinson = $115 Million

Again, I think you take these figures with a grain of salt, clearly these figures are all huge money I'm just not sure how accurate they are. I saw somewhere that Fripp was worth between $1-$5 Million vs the $10 I saw also. What is clear to me is most of them also earn money from other investments, I don't think 100% of it is from just music.


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Posted By: Sacro_Porgo
Date Posted: May 30 2020 at 10:51
Originally posted by Woon Deadn Woon Deadn wrote:

The Beatles and Queen, of course! 

I mean if we're counting prog-related artists like Queen, just imagine....goodness Roger and Brian must be some of the wealthiest musicians ever. Not to mention John who must be extremely well off from years of touring and royalties despite totally shutting himself off from the public eye. 


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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: May 30 2020 at 11:16
Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Pink Floyd guys for sure. Genesis was successful but not as prog. Pink Floyd always kept the prog even if it was prog lite
Pink Floyd are the only prog rock act whom also plays in the league of classic rock, their legacy are on a different stage or field, does not matter if some of their music is/wad avsnt garde or spaced out, they managed to brake the obscure and became relevant to millions, without sacraficing integrity (imo).

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Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: May 30 2020 at 12:23
Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Pink Floyd guys for sure. Genesis was successful but not as prog. Pink Floyd always kept the prog even if it was prog lite
Pink Floyd are the only prog rock act whom also plays in the league of classic rock, their legacy are on a different stage or field, does not matter if some of their music is/wad avsnt garde or spaced out, they managed to brake the obscure and became relevant to millions, without sacraficing integrity (imo).
 
What about Supertramp?
 
 


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Posted By: Sacro_Porgo
Date Posted: May 30 2020 at 13:37
Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Pink Floyd guys for sure. Genesis was successful but not as prog. Pink Floyd always kept the prog even if it was prog lite
Pink Floyd are the only prog rock act whom also plays in the league of classic rock, their legacy are on a different stage or field, does not matter if some of their music is/wad avsnt garde or spaced out, they managed to brake the obscure and became relevant to millions, without sacraficing integrity (imo).
 
What about Supertramp?
 
 

Yeah I second this. Floyd was the most successful prog act while they were still prog, but that doesn't mean classic rock radio doesn't regularly play other prog bands, or that other classic rock artists never had radio play for their more proggy songs (Zeppelin for example). Breakfast In America, Closer To The Heart, Roundabout, Aqualung, Kashmir, Bohemian Rhapsody, Carry On Wayward Son. There are plenty of songs that fall under both umbrellas quite easily.


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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: May 30 2020 at 14:09
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I've looked at these figures before just for curiosity sake, just Googled again.
Net Worth:
Roger Waters = $310 Million (why on earth is he bitchin' so much!!!)
Phil Collins = $260 Million
David Gilmour = $175 Million
Peter Gabriel = $90 Million
Neil Peart = $42 Million
Geddy Lee = $40 Million
Alex Lifeson = $35 Million
Robert Fripp = $10 Million

I'm sure these figures are estimates, but even if off by 5% is a lot of moolah.

I assumed Rush was worth upwards of 100 million altogether, and I was right. Touring, licensing, book deals, investments...surprised it's not more!


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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: May 30 2020 at 14:12
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Vangelis $2.5 mill

I thought for certain he was worth more.


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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: May 30 2020 at 14:19
Ian Anderson is probably one of the most savvy businessmen in rock...

"72-year-old  https://en.mediamass.net/people/ian-anderson" rel="nofollow - Ian Anderson  has taken the No. 1 spot on People With Money’s top 10 highest-paid singers for 2020 with an estimated $58 million in combined earnings....The Scottish singer-songwriter has an estimated net worth of $185 million."

http://en.mediamass.net/people/ian-anderson/highest-paid.html" rel="nofollow - http://en.mediamass.net/people/ian-anderson/highest-paid.html


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: May 30 2020 at 15:23
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I've looked at these figures before just for curiosity sake, just Googled again.
Net Worth:
Roger Waters = $310 Million (why on earth is he bitchin' so much!!!)
Phil Collins = $260 Million
David Gilmour = $175 Million
Peter Gabriel = $90 Million
Neil Peart = $42 Million
Geddy Lee = $40 Million
Alex Lifeson = $35 Million
Robert Fripp = $10 Million

I'm sure these figures are estimates, but even if off by 5% is a lot of moolah.

I assumed Rush was worth upwards of 100 million altogether, and I was right. Touring, licensing, book deals, investments...surprised it's not more!
Well I have been a follower of their wealth for several years......Main reason is most of their time playing was in the 70 to mid 90s then of course the 5yr break. So the first 10yrs really was tour, tour, tour and really not a lot of money back then.
I am sure they are pretty happy now....


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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: May 30 2020 at 16:07
Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

And it all depends on the business acumen of the individual, quite a few have been fleeced methinks...Collins by beautiful trophy wives especially...😎

Indeed!  I once read that Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull was quite wealthy from the way he managed the band....band members were not share-holders, but were paid salaries, and he kept the lion's share of income. 

I hadn't even thought of Phil Collins, but indeed, he must have made a pile (pre-divorce anyway!).  

Bob Fripp's net worth certainly went up when he married Toyah!  LOL

Some, like ELP, made and then lost vast fortunes, very sad for them.  I doubt if anyone besides Waters got rich from PF, but I wouldn't know.  

Some prog-related did well....I suppose that Brian May has a chunk of cash, especially from the recent movie and interest in Queen's old catalog.  David Bowie might have been sitting on a bit of dough as well.  

Rick Wakeman?  Not sure about him, he wouldn't tell me when I asked. 




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Posted By: BarryGlibb
Date Posted: May 30 2020 at 18:20
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Ian Anderson is probably one of the most savvy businessmen in rock...

"72-year-old  https://en.mediamass.net/people/ian-anderson" rel="nofollow - Ian Anderson  has taken the No. 1 spot on People With Money’s top 10 highest-paid singers for 2020 with an estimated $58 million in combined earnings....The Scottish singer-songwriter has an estimated net worth of $185 million."

http://en.mediamass.net/people/ian-anderson/highest-paid.html" rel="nofollow - http://en.mediamass.net/people/ian-anderson/highest-paid.html


I'd believe that. He's worth an absolute fortune. I wouldn't believe all those other $ guesses put forward above for other prog artists. You can't believe everything you Google...in fact these days you can't believe anything that you Google!


Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: May 30 2020 at 19:06
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

And it all depends on the business acumen of the individual, quite a few have been fleeced methinks...Collins by beautiful trophy wives especially...😎

Indeed!  I once read that Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull was quite wealthy from the way he managed the band....band members were not share-holders, but were paid salaries, and he kept the lion's share of income. 

I hadn't even thought of Phil Collins, but indeed, he must have made a pile (pre-divorce anyway!).  

Bob Fripp's net worth certainly went up when he married Toyah!  LOL

Some, like ELP, made and then lost vast fortunes, very sad for them.  I doubt if anyone besides Waters got rich from PF, but I wouldn't know.  

Some prog-related did well....I suppose that Brian May has a chunk of cash, especially from the recent movie and interest in Queen's old catalog.  David Bowie might have been sitting on a bit of dough as well.  

Rick Wakeman?  Not sure about him, he wouldn't tell me when I asked. 



You really thought Rick would tell you how much money he has(or how much he's worth)? Maybe it's just me but I would never ask someone that(rock star or not). I might ask a family member or close friend but even then probably not. Most people will not disclose that information. Obviously we can find out online(and it's really just an estimate anyway)but most people will not voluntarily discuss it. 


Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: May 30 2020 at 23:45
^ the fact that Wakeman released > 50 borderline new age pap albums from the 80's onwards might indicate he was on the bones of his arse cash-wise (cleaned out by several divorce settlements? Keith Emerson lost most of his retirement nest egg this way) This is pure speculation on my part of course Smile


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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 07:02
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

^ the fact that Wakeman released > 50 borderline new age pap albums from the 80's onwards might indicate he was on the bones of his arse cash-wise (cleaned out by several divorce settlements? Keith Emerson lost most of his retirement nest egg this way) This is pure speculation on my part of course Smile
Hi,

History of arts has more of them that lost a whole lot of everything, up to and not just including their wives and their money ... some even lost their minds!

And one of them had written a symphony for his wife ... and she walks out even before she hears a few notes and finds out what he had put together ... its in a Ken Russell movie, a bit romanticized, but quite clear and pretty much the same thing that hurts the lives of many artists ... you live for your ART ... and sadly, many of their partners couldn't careless about their art ... unless it was to cash in on their "hardships", of course!


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Posted By: silverpot
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 09:28
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Ian Anderson is probably one of the most savvy businessmen in rock...

"72-year-old  https://en.mediamass.net/people/ian-anderson" rel="nofollow - Ian Anderson  has taken the No. 1 spot on People With Money’s top 10 highest-paid singers for 2020 with an estimated $58 million in combined earnings....The Scottish singer-songwriter has an estimated net worth of $185 million."

http://en.mediamass.net/people/ian-anderson/highest-paid.html" rel="nofollow - http://en.mediamass.net/people/ian-anderson/highest-paid.html


His wife handles the finances. No trophy wife there, he married well indeed. LOL


Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 21:29
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

^ the fact that Wakeman released > 50 borderline new age pap albums from the 80's onwards might indicate he was on the bones of his arse cash-wise (cleaned out by several divorce settlements? Keith Emerson lost most of his retirement nest egg this way) This is pure speculation on my part of course Smile

All the more reason not to press the guy about his finances! Tongue


Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 22:22
Originally posted by BarryGlibb BarryGlibb wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Ian Anderson is probably one of the most savvy businessmen in rock...

<span style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">"72-year-old </span> https://en.mediamass.net/people/ian-anderson" rel="nofollow - Ian Anderson <span style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"> has taken the No. 1 spot on </span><i style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">People With Money<span style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">’s top 10 highest-paid singers for 2020 with an estimated $58 million in combined earnings....</span><span style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">The Scottish singer-songwriter has an estimated net worth of $185 million."</span>

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I'd believe that. He's worth an absolute fortune. I wouldn't believe all those other $ guesses put forward above for other prog artists. You can't believe everything you Google...in fact these days you can't believe anything that you Google!

Yeah, without doing research, Ian Anderson would be my guess:

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Posted By: Earl of Mar
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 06:04
Just looked them up liven 10m and walsh 16m. The main Styx boys are considerably richer- Dennis de young 25m, James young 20m and Tommy shaw 18m.


Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 06:14
Phil Collins is second at 260 million? I guess one has to be well paid in order to ruin prog. Wink

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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 07:43
Richest prog rock stars?...what is this 'Access Hollywood' or 'Entertainment Tonight'...?

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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 07:49
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Phil Collins is second at 260 million? I guess one has to be well paid in order to ruin prog. Wink

is the Phil Collins bashing still funny? 
I don't see it...


Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 07:56
It's only a comment on how certain prog fans view Mr. Collins. Still.

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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 09:19
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Richest prog rock stars?...what is this 'Access Hollywood' or 'Entertainment Tonight'...?

LOL




I just wanted to start a conversation!  Some interesting banter. 

Some were dirt-poor.  John Goodsall of Brand X was playing in country-rock cover bands in MN, and his computer died, so I bought him a new laptop.  

Others seem to have abundant fortunes, like Ian Anderson. 

Certain acts haven't been named = Moody Blues, Steely Dan, Chicago.  Bands that had considerable radio airplay probably did very well. 


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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 09:22
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

It's only a comment on how certain prog fans view Mr. Collins. Still.

I guess you could say that Phil made the bulk of his money Against All Odds.


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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 09:26
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

It's only a comment on how certain prog fans view Mr. Collins. Still.

I guess you could say that Phil made the bulk of his money Against All Odds.
Yes indeed! And he laughed all the way to the bank.

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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 09:45
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Vangelis $2.5 mill

I thought for certain he was worth more.

No kidding. One would think that all those OST's would be an endless fountain of royalties. Seems implausible.


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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 09:51
Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Vangelis $2.5 mill

I thought for certain he was worth more.

No kidding. One would think that all those OST's would be an endless fountain of royalties. Seems implausible.

After releasing the album 666, his career went to hell.


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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 10:25
I wouldn't necessarily say that 2.5 million figure for Vangelis is correct. I just looked it up and I have seen different figures for him for net worth. Two sites say he has a net worth of 245 million and is the highest paid musician in the world. Another one says 15 million and another says 5 million. I suppose it all depends on who you want to believe. He doesn't seem to be listed on that celebrity net worth site so it's probably hard to know for sure.


Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 10:41
^A quick Google says $245m. I like that they break it down to $19/minute. That would be nice.

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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 11:05
Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

^A quick Google says $245m. I like that they break it down to $19/minute. That would be nice.


Yeah, I noticed that too. After searching again it appears that 2.5 million figure was just for one year(2019). Lucky him. 


Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 11:28
The highest paid pop singer in the world always seems to be from Eastern European country that no one can pronounce and that no one has the slightest idea who he or she is. Just saying.

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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 11:35
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

^A quick Google says $245m. I like that they break it down to $19/minute. That would be nice.


Yeah, I noticed that too. After searching again it appears that 2.5 million figure was just for one year(2019). Lucky him. 

I was thinking one year would be enough. Then it occurred to me with the impending recession, the rate of inflation would probably mean I'd still not be able to retire on that.  


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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 11:48
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Vangelis $2.5 mill

I thought for certain he was worth more.

No kidding. One would think that all those OST's would be an endless fountain of royalties. Seems implausible.

After releasing the album 666, his career went to hell.

After a Spiral  through Heaven and Hell, Vangelis found a Direct path to redemption through some Invisible Connections.


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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 15:13
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

I wouldn't necessarily say that 2.5 million figure for Vangelis is correct. I just looked it up and I have seen different figures for him for net worth. Two sites say he has a net worth of 245 million and is the highest paid musician in the world. Another one says 15 million and another says 5 million. I suppose it all depends on who you want to believe. He doesn't seem to be listed on that celebrity net worth site so it's probably hard to know for sure.

How about Yanni?  Isn't he prog?  LOL

Yanni is a Greek pianist, keyboardist, composer and music producer who has a net worth of $50 million. Yanni has earned his net worth through his many performances as a pianist as well as his many albums and tours.


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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 15:28
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

I wouldn't necessarily say that 2.5 million figure for Vangelis is correct. I just looked it up and I have seen different figures for him for net worth. Two sites say he has a net worth of 245 million and is the highest paid musician in the world. Another one says 15 million and another says 5 million. I suppose it all depends on who you want to believe. He doesn't seem to be listed on that celebrity net worth site so it's probably hard to know for sure.

How about Yanni?  Isn't he prog?  LOL

Yanni is a Greek pianist, keyboardist, composer and music producer who has a net worth of $50 million. Yanni has earned his net worth through his many performances as a pianist as well as his many albums and tours.

Isn't Yanni one of those invented performers created for late night TV commercial sales in the late 70s and 80's, like "International Superstars" no one ever heard of like Slim Whitman and Roger Whitaker....






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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 16:24
^No, Yanni never tried to sell his music that way as far as I know. Lol.


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 17:09
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

I wouldn't necessarily say that 2.5 million figure for Vangelis is correct. I just looked it up and I have seen different figures for him for net worth. Two sites say he has a net worth of 245 million and is the highest paid musician in the world. Another one says 15 million and another says 5 million. I suppose it all depends on who you want to believe. He doesn't seem to be listed on that celebrity net worth site so it's probably hard to know for sure.

How about Yanni?  Isn't he prog?  LOL

Yanni is a Greek pianist, keyboardist, composer and music producer who has a net worth of $50 million. Yanni has earned his net worth through his many performances as a pianist as well as his many albums and tours.

Believe it or not, he was...for a short time. Before he found success as a solo New Age artist, he was the keyboardist in a band called Chameleon that started as what we might call "Crossover" and went to AOR, kind of like Ambrosia.

Yanni's first solo album, Optimystique, recorded in 1980, is instrumental keyboard prog that sounds like a cross between Vangelis and Jan Hammer.


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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 17:26
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

I wouldn't necessarily say that 2.5 million figure for Vangelis is correct. I just looked it up and I have seen different figures for him for net worth. Two sites say he has a net worth of 245 million and is the highest paid musician in the world. Another one says 15 million and another says 5 million. I suppose it all depends on who you want to believe. He doesn't seem to be listed on that celebrity net worth site so it's probably hard to know for sure.

How about Yanni?  Isn't he prog?  LOL

Yanni is a Greek pianist, keyboardist, composer and music producer who has a net worth of $50 million. Yanni has earned his net worth through his many performances as a pianist as well as his many albums and tours.

Believe it or not, he was...for a short time. Before he found success as a solo New Age artist, he was the keyboardist in a band called Chameleon that started as what we might call "Crossover" and went to AOR, kind of like Ambrosia.

Yanni's first solo album, Optimystique, recorded in 1980, is instrumental keyboard prog that sounds like a cross between Vangelis and Jan Hammer.


Yanni wasn't the only "new age" artist who started in a more proggy direction. There was also Andreas Wollenweider, Shadowfax and Mike Oldfield. Tongue Ok, that last one is a bit of a joke. ;) I guess you could say Kitaro was more proggy in the early days too. Lot's of musicians seemed to have been bitten by the new age bug though. Even Rick Wakeman. Smile


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 02 2020 at 00:48
Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Vangelis $2.5 mill

I thought for certain he was worth more.

No kidding. One would think that all those OST's would be an endless fountain of royalties. Seems implausible.
 

It depends whether he was entitled to the royalties. I remember Keith Emerson saying in an interview that he stopped doing film soundtracks because he ended up not owning his own music.

Chariots Of Fire was certainly a massive seller as an album but once that initial burst was over than I'm not sure he gets anything for the film being shown ( which I guess is what you are suggesting).


Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: June 02 2020 at 04:04
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

I wouldn't necessarily say that 2.5 million figure for Vangelis is correct. I just looked it up and I have seen different figures for him for net worth. Two sites say he has a net worth of 245 million and is the highest paid musician in the world. Another one says 15 million and another says 5 million. I suppose it all depends on who you want to believe. He doesn't seem to be listed on that celebrity net worth site so it's probably hard to know for sure.

How about Yanni?  Isn't he prog?  LOL

Yanni is a Greek pianist, keyboardist, composer and music producer who has a net worth of $50 million. Yanni has earned his net worth through his many performances as a pianist as well as his many albums and tours.
Yanni moved through different genres until he found his niche and one that sells. I remember the old days when he fronted his metal band Iron Maidenos.

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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: June 02 2020 at 12:00
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

I wouldn't necessarily say that 2.5 million figure for Vangelis is correct. I just looked it up and I have seen different figures for him for net worth. Two sites say he has a net worth of 245 million and is the highest paid musician in the world. Another one says 15 million and another says 5 million. I suppose it all depends on who you want to believe. He doesn't seem to be listed on that celebrity net worth site so it's probably hard to know for sure.

How about Yanni?  Isn't he prog?  LOL

Yanni is a Greek pianist, keyboardist, composer and music producer who has a net worth of $50 million. Yanni has earned his net worth through his many performances as a pianist as well as his many albums and tours.

Believe it or not, he was...for a short time. Before he found success as a solo New Age artist, he was the keyboardist in a band called Chameleon that started as what we might call "Crossover" and went to AOR, kind of like Ambrosia.

Yanni's first solo album, Optimystique, recorded in 1980, is instrumental keyboard prog that sounds like a cross between Vangelis and Jan Hammer.

Yanni wasn't the only "new age" artist who started in a more proggy direction. There was also Andreas Wollenweider, Shadowfax and Mike Oldfield. Tongue Ok, that last one is a bit of a joke. ;) I guess you could say Kitaro was more proggy in the early days too. Lot's of musicians seemed to have been bitten by the new age bug though. Even Rick Wakeman. Smile

Andreas Vollenweider was in a folk-world music trio called Poesie und Musik. They weren't prog.

Shadowfax was a great band that blended progressive, folk, fusion and world music. They were never a new age band, but they did get thrown under the banner for marketing purposes after their third album. In an early interview, G.E. Stinson said none of them had jazz backgrounds, i.e. they all started out in rock bands.

New Age was more of a business tactic than most realize. If somebody recorded an instrumental album that was clearly not jazz, the labels realized pushing it as "New Age" was going to make sales happen as opposed to classical. That's why Windham Hill prospered, why Peter Baumann formed Private Music, and why major labels formed subsidiaries to publish "new age" albums.

For example, Capitol formed an imprint called Cinema, which intended to issue four albums right off the bat by four famous proggers: Pete Bardens' Seen One Earth, Patrick Moraz's Human Interface, Michael Hoenig's Xcept One, and an album by Tony Kaye that he never actually recorded. None of these albums were what I'd call "new age," though...in fact, Hoenig's was an excellent progressive electronic outing, and was easily the best of the three.


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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: June 02 2020 at 12:02
^^ Iron Maidenos! LOL


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: June 02 2020 at 12:03
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Vangelis $2.5 mill

I thought for certain he was worth more.

No kidding. One would think that all those OST's would be an endless fountain of royalties. Seems implausible.
 

It depends whether he was entitled to the royalties. I remember Keith Emerson saying in an interview that he stopped doing film soundtracks because he ended up not owning his own music.

Chariots Of Fire was certainly a massive seller as an album but once that initial burst was over than I'm not sure he gets anything for the film being shown ( which I guess is what you are suggesting).

I think he means the music. Chariots of Fire has been reissued many times. There are nearly 150 different editions between the initial pressings and reissues, remasters and special editions. The last remaster to appear was released in Japan in 2017.


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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: June 02 2020 at 12:26
OP here, great dialog, keep it up! 

I threw Yanni in there as a deliberate taunt & learned quite a bit!  LOL

Let's face it....if you are seeking financial stability in life, being a rock musician of any sort is a poor career choice.  I once faced that fork in the road & took the road less traveled.  I've played live many times, but never tried to make a living out of a guitar case.  Too many of my heroes (Peter Banks) died broke it seems.


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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: June 02 2020 at 13:05
You may be interested to know I uploaded a couple of Yanni concerts on my World Music blog.


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: June 02 2020 at 14:27
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

OP here, great dialog, keep it up! 

I threw Yanni in there as a deliberate taunt & learned quite a bit!  LOL

Let's face it....if you are seeking financial stability in life, being a rock musician of any sort is a poor career choice.  I once faced that fork in the road & took the road less traveled.  I've played live many times, but never tried to make a living out of a guitar case.  Too many of my heroes (Peter Banks) died broke it seems.

The guy really does have chops! In fact, I'd recommend his first three solo albums (Optimystique, Keys to Imagination and Out of Silence) in a heartbeat for engaging piano and synth-based anthemic fare. 

But then Yanni went "contempo" and got worse and worse. The music he started making sounded tailored to shopping malls. He did a soundtrack called Heart of Midnight, and it sucked, too!

He could have been the next Vangelis. The guy sold out, and he sold out HARD.


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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: June 07 2020 at 02:01
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

I wouldn't necessarily say that 2.5 million figure for Vangelis is correct. I just looked it up and I have seen different figures for him for net worth. Two sites say he has a net worth of 245 million and is the highest paid musician in the world. Another one says 15 million and another says 5 million. I suppose it all depends on who you want to believe. He doesn't seem to be listed on that celebrity net worth site so it's probably hard to know for sure.

How about Yanni?  Isn't he prog?  LOL

Yanni is a Greek pianist, keyboardist, composer and music producer who has a net worth of $50 million. Yanni has earned his net worth through his many performances as a pianist as well as his many albums and tours.

Believe it or not, he was...for a short time. Before he found success as a solo New Age artist, he was the keyboardist in a band called Chameleon that started as what we might call "Crossover" and went to AOR, kind of like Ambrosia.

Yanni's first solo album, Optimystique, recorded in 1980, is instrumental keyboard prog that sounds like a cross between Vangelis and Jan Hammer.


Yanni wasn't the only "new age" artist who started in a more proggy direction. There was also Andreas Wollenweider, Shadowfax and Mike Oldfield. Tongue Ok, that last one is a bit of a joke. ;) I guess you could say Kitaro was more proggy in the early days too. Lot's of musicians seemed to have been bitten by the new age bug though. Even Rick Wakeman. Smile
I've had my newagey period in the 90s. First of all, I think Kitaro is prog. He has at least one fully prog album: "Dream". And he was in Far East Family Band. I have some albums by Yanni. I don't listen to anymore. Not prog but proggy sometimes. I was surprised to see Vollenweider added, but not a scandal. Vangelis, old story, for me is a full prog artist. I still don't understand why he's listed as related only.


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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: June 07 2020 at 03:01
Most financially successful pork artist?
It’d have to be an artist that got rich by doing progrock...not Yes doing Owner Of Lovely Horse or Genesis making it big via fx I Shan’t Prance.
Hmmm...yes of course it’s Yanni

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Posted By: TheH
Date Posted: June 09 2020 at 08:46
Don't know if he was mentioned before but clearly: Jean-Jacques Goldman
 
Of Course he didn't get rich (he is supposed to own a Billion) by his stay in Tai Phong
but he started as a Progger



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