Favorite/Least Favorite Zappa Tracks
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Topic: Favorite/Least Favorite Zappa Tracks
Posted By: Awesoreno
Subject: Favorite/Least Favorite Zappa Tracks
Date Posted: May 07 2020 at 13:09
Zappa is a polarizing character, on and off this site. I personally went from a minor fan to a major fanatic. Since he has many different kinds of tunes, I wanted to see what people like and don't like, and maybe if there's a consensus. I hope to take some of these results and make two polls (for favorites and least favorites).
So please, send your favorite and/or least favorite compositions, 5 at the most for each (don't want to flood this thing). It may be difficult to narrow it down if you really like/don't like his work (I personally find it too hard, so I will abstain, if not to also remain unbiased for the polls).
Please also specify what version of that composition you like/dislike the most. As you may know, he has adapted many of his compositions over the years, which is one of my favorite things about his performances. For instance, I'm not much of a fan of the original Pound for a Brown recording off of Uncle Meat because I don't really enjoy the recording techniques used during that first Mothers line-up (with the pitched-up winds), but I much prefer later versions, like the one off of Live at the Hammersmith, released posthumously. I want to know the ultimate/worst version of this piece. Everything is on the table, including his exclusively classical compositions.
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Posted By: CarbonCassette
Date Posted: May 07 2020 at 16:42
I don't know a lot of Zappa either, but I will say "Why Does It Hurt When I Pee?" is a hilarious song haha.
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Posted By: Mirakaze
Date Posted: May 07 2020 at 16:54
I actually love the original Pound For A Brown; I actually rank a different version of it on the same album ("The Legend Of The Golden Arches") as one of my favourite Zappa tracks. Off the top of my head, "Inca Roads" , "Echidna's Arf", "The Dog Breath Variations" and "Take Your Clothes Off When You Dance" are four other compositions of his that I absolutely adore.
On the other hand, I also find a depressing amount of his music from the late 70s and early 80s to be so vile and embittered as to be virtually unlistenable. If he has ever written a song that's worse than "Jewish Princess" then I'd really hate to hear it...
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: May 07 2020 at 17:18
Least favorite is easy for me...really another off of Cruisin' With Ruben & The Jets. I'll just choose five songs at random from that: Jelly Roll Gum Drop, Love Of My Life, Anything, Fountain Of Love, Cheap Thrills.
Most favorite is definitely much more difficult. I'll attempt with the following: G-Spot Tornado, Inca Roads, Didja Get Any Onya?, When Yuppies Go To Hell, Eat That Question
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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: May 07 2020 at 17:45
Since his discography is quite large, it is hard to point out likes or dislikes, specially since some songs are quite different in studio albums and live albums. I will have to think really hard on this one before I can make a list.
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: May 07 2020 at 17:59
Favorites Inca Roads The Grand Wazoo Zomby Woof Alien Orifice Black Napkins
I don't like 50% of his stuff...First six albums, 200 Motels, The Man from Utopia, Ship arriving..., Thing Fish, Jazz From Hell, etc.
What is good is fierce, otherwise not good.
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Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: May 07 2020 at 18:05
Awesoreno wrote:
Zappa is a polarizing character, on and off this site. I personally went from a minor fan to a major fanatic. Since he has many different kinds of tunes, I wanted to see what people like and don't like, and maybe if there's a consensus. I hope to take some of these results and make two polls (for favorites and least favorites).
So please, send your favorite and/or least favorite compositions, 5 at the most for each (don't want to flood this thing). It may be difficult to narrow it down if you really like/don't like his work (I personally find it too hard, so I will abstain, if not to also remain unbiased for the polls).
Please also specify what version of that composition you like/dislike the most. As you may know, he has adapted many of his compositions over the years, which is one of my favorite things about his performances. For instance, I'm not much of a fan of the original Pound for a Brown recording off of Uncle Meat because I don't really enjoy the recording techniques used during that first Mothers line-up (with the pitched-up winds), but I much prefer later versions, like the one off of Live at the Hammersmith, released posthumously. I want to know the ultimate/worst version of this piece. Everything is on the table, including his exclusively classical compositions. |
Haha, same. Real easy to do with that guy no?
Ok, I listed some favorites already here.. (3rd post down)
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=122690" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=122690
For least favorite I'll go with the whole album of Thing-Fish.
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: May 07 2020 at 18:13
Favorites:
The Black Page #2 (Zappa in New York) Echidna's Arf (of you) (Roxy) Sinister Footwear II (Them or Us) Keep it Greasy (Joe's Garage 2) Watermelon in Easter Hay (Joe's Garage 2)
Not favored:
All of Freak Out Bobby Brown Goes down (Sheik Yerboutu) Elvis Has Just Left the Building (Broadway the Hardway) I Don't Even Care (Mothers of Prevention) Jumbo Go Away (U R ? U Iz)
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: May 07 2020 at 18:24
Favorite: Valley Girl Least Favorite: Anything off Shut Up And Play Yer Guitar
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: May 07 2020 at 18:59
Most:
Little Umbrellas Uncle Meat: Main Title Theme King Kong I-VI Strictly Genteel Beat the Reaper Shut Up and..
Least:
Billy the Mountain Playground Psychotics (most of it) Thing-Fish (all of it) Sheik and Joe's have some great but plenty of bad stuff also.
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: May 07 2020 at 19:05
Man With Hat wrote:
Least favorite is easy for me...really another off of Cruisin' With Ruben & The Jets. I'll just choose five songs at random from that: Jelly Roll Gum Drop, Love Of My Life, Anything, Fountain Of Love, Cheap Thrills. | Come on, Hat, that stuff is completely hilarious (the singing, backing vox and lyrics).
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Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: May 07 2020 at 19:05
I just want to add that my very favorite Frank stuff is when he just basically goes into a trance-like state playing the guitar for a long period of time.. and I could just listen to that for hours. Really no other music artist that has quite the same effect on me.
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: May 07 2020 at 19:08
^ couldn't agree more.
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Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: May 07 2020 at 23:05
Manuel wrote:
Since his discography is quite large, it is hard to point out likes or dislikes, specially since some songs are quite different in studio albums and live albums. I will have to think really hard on this one before I can make a list. |
I actually chose this for this topic BECAUSE it could be quite difficult. It also might give his listenership a boost. Some people might read this and really despise him, but could change their mind after they hear some tracks or versions they've never heard before. Or maybe a fan of only one period will expand their horizons a bit. Who knows what could happen?
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: May 07 2020 at 23:09
Haha...I guess the joke is just lost on me. I don't get any humor in it...it plays much more like an homage than a parody to my ears. I also find the lyrics just to be dull and if meant as a joke play much too close to actual lyrics of the time period for me to find them funny (they don't come off as ironic to my ears, for example).
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Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: May 07 2020 at 23:09
Grumpyprogfan wrote:
Favorites Inca Roads The Grand Wazoo Zomby Woof Alien Orifice Black Napkins
I don't like 50% of his stuff...First six albums, 200 Motels, The Man from Utopia, Ship arriving..., Thing Fish, Jazz From Hell, etc.
What is good is fierce, otherwise not good.
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Not big on Utopia, but Ship Arriving actually has some good stuff on it. Specifically Envelopes and Drowning Witch. The latter is one of his most complicated pieces, similar to the dense stuff on Alien Orifice (I like that one too, great pick). It's goofy, but I really admire it when he combines compositional craziness with some tongue-in-cheek stuff. Helps remind us to never take anything too seriously. Another couple of tracks that do that are The Blue Light and Tinseltown Rebellion (the former transitions to the latter). I used to be kind of bored by these, but it took a couple listens for me to actually pay attention and hear the impressive stuff.
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: May 07 2020 at 23:10
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Favorite: Valley Girl Least Favorite: Anything off Shut Up And Play Yer Guitar
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This is interesting.
Do you dislike the other guitar oriented albums as well or is there something just about Shut up that doesn't do it for you?
------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.
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Posted By: Tendiwa
Date Posted: May 08 2020 at 00:25
Mirakaze wrote:
[...] If he has ever written a song that's worse than "Jewish Princess" then I'd really hate to hear it...
| No man, that's a fun song!
Some favourites in extra random order: Lemme That You To The Beach, Stink Foot, Why Does It Hurt When I Pee, The Illinois Enema Bandit, Tell Me You Love Me, Flakes, Trouble Every Day, I'm The Slime, Cheepnis, Po-Jama People, Dangerous Kitchen, Hot Plate Heaven At The Green Hotel... I can go on for ever.
I don't really like Sharleena though!
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Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: May 08 2020 at 04:30
Favorite: Camarillo Brillo
Least: I don't really have any least favorites just ones that I don't want to hear at the time.
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Posted By: The Anders
Date Posted: May 08 2020 at 06:38
I guess my favourite is "The Chrome Plated Megaphone of Destiny" (an uncanny piece of musique concrete at the end of We're Only in It for the Money). Usually I find his early work with the Mothers of Invention the most interesting.
Least favourite: "Sharleena" I guess (in the version found on the outtakes compilation The Lost Episodes, mainly because it is too long, and I think it lacks the compositionaly creativity of his best work). Apart from that, I admit I do have some issues with a classic like "Bobby Brown", and that is mainly because of the lyrics. I like it musically though.
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Posted By: progmatic
Date Posted: May 08 2020 at 21:22
Faves: Montana; Po-Jama People; Torture Never Stops; Stairway to Heaven (with horns replacing the guitar, it's f-----g incredible. Least: Man From Utopia; his albums with the Mothers.
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: May 09 2020 at 00:22
I can only come up with Zappa tracks I like, lol.
Inca Roads Waka/Jawaka Big Swifty Eat That Question
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Posted By: Tendiwa
Date Posted: May 09 2020 at 10:13
Tendiwa wrote:
Mirakaze wrote:
[...] If he has ever written a song that's worse than "Jewish Princess" then I'd really hate to hear it...
| No man, that's a fun song!
Some favourites in extra random order: Lemme That You To The Beach, Stink Foot, Why Does It Hurt When I Pee, The Illinois Enema Bandit, Tell Me You Love Me, Flakes, Trouble Every Day, I'm The Slime, Cheepnis, Po-Jama People, Dangerous Kitchen, Hot Plate Heaven At The Green Hotel... I can go on for ever.
I don't really like Sharleena though!
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I came up with another one I don't like: We're Turning Again.
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Posted By: questionsneverknown
Date Posted: May 09 2020 at 16:02
Some favourites:- RDNZL
- Adventures of Gregory Peccary
- Inca Roads
- Blessed Relief
- Montana
[and, hell, I'm adding more: Grand Wazoo, Cosmik Debris, Watermelon in Easter Hay and The Radio is Broken]
Least favourite: - A great deal of Thing Fish (I try, I really do)
- As much as I'm also a Beefheart fan, I don't really listen to Bongo Fury that often
- And some of the tracks on You Are What You Is (Jumbo Go Away, Suicide Chump, Coneheads) are way down on the personal list
------------- The damage that we do is just so powerfully strong we call it love
The damage that we do just goes on and on and on but not long enough.
--Robyn Hitchcock
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Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: May 09 2020 at 18:13
questionsneverknown wrote:
Some favourites:- RDNZL
- Adventures of Gregory Peccary
- Inca Roads
- Blessed Relief
- Montana
[and, hell, I'm adding more: Grand Wazoo, Cosmik Debris, Watermelon in Easter Hay and The Radio is Broken]
Least favourite: - A great deal of Thing Fish (I try, I really do)
- As much as I'm also a Beefheart fan, I don't really listen to Bongo Fury that often
- And some of the tracks on You Are What You Is (Jumbo Go Away, Suicide Chump, Coneheads) are way down on the personal list
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Blessed Relief is absolutely underrated.
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: May 09 2020 at 20:15
Zappa's output is just so damn eclectic and vast it's probably almost impossible for a single listener to appreciate every aspect of it. For me, I adore his Jazz/Rock forays on Hot Rats, the Grand Wazoo, Over-Nite Sensation, One Size Fits All and Lather but heartily loathe the likes of 200 Motels, Cruising with Ruben & the Jets, Joe's Garage, Sheik Yerbouti, Guitar & practically every note, scrape, pluck, suck and blow of his Orchestral scores. That said, my favourite Frank composition is Lumpy Gravy.
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: May 09 2020 at 20:23
Some things off the Joes Garage trilogy, You are what you is and Sheik Yerbootie. My least favourite Zappa period.
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Posted By: Spacegod87
Date Posted: May 09 2020 at 22:04
Good lord there are a lot of Zappa songs to choose from..
The Dangerous Kitchen has never failed to make me laugh, and I love it, even if it's not one of his more praised songs.
What's the ugliest part of your body is short but sweet. Since I was a teenager, I've always loved the line, "..but I think it's your mind." which makes more sense within the context of the song.
The Meek Shall Inherit Nothing is pure genius and hilarious as well.
There's so many I like, and as for the ones I don't like...that's harder.
I never really liked Camarillo Brillo (which I know is controversial) and..honestly, I can't think of another Zappa song I don't like.
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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: May 09 2020 at 23:13
Fav: Peaches En Regalia Least fav (from what Iīve heard): Stick it Out (to me that song sounds to be homophobic humor from macho hetero man).
I really love Zappaīs sixties albums, also some in the beginning of seventies are quite good, but I think he started then just repeat himself and havenīt got really good ideas anymore.
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Posted By: Tendiwa
Date Posted: May 10 2020 at 00:16
ExittheLemming wrote:
Zappa's output is just so damn eclectic and vast it's probably almost impossible for a single listener to appreciate every aspect of it. For me, I adore his Jazz/Rock forays on Hot Rats, the Grand Wazoo, Over-Nite Sensation, One Size Fits All and Lather but heartily loathe the likes of 200 Motels, Cruising with Ruben & the Jets, Joe's Garage, Sheik Yerbouti, Guitar & practically every note, scrape, pluck, suck and blow of his Orchestral scores. That said, my favourite Frank composition is Lumpy Gravy.
| You really loathe it? That's a strong feeling!
I can't seem get through the entire 200 Motels album, most of his classical stuff doesn't really move me, and I don't listen to his synclavier music for hours on end, but there is no loathing involved.
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: May 10 2020 at 00:58
^ as in dislike intensely you know, like in the definition? (but certainly not hatred or disgust) ![Big smile Big smile](smileys/smiley4.gif)
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Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: May 10 2020 at 02:25
Mortte wrote:
Fav: Peaches En RegaliaLeast fav (from what Iīve heard): Stick it Out (to me that song sounds to be homophobic humor from macho hetero man).
I really love Zappaīs sixties albums, also some in the beginning of seventies are quite good, but I think he started then just repeat himself and havenīt got really good ideas anymore. |
For the record, Zappa was not homophobic, nor was he very prejudiced. However, he was against phony people, and never wanted anyone to take themselves too seriously. Because of that, his satire often times is quite biting, or shrouded in intense irony (see Bobby Brown Goes Down). So sometimes, it sounds like he is making light of certain things that, at least today, doesn't really fly, despite not actually being a supporter of that kind of thinking/behavior/language/etc. In fact, he despised "macho men" who thought themselves irresistible to women (see Bobby Brown Goes Down again). I try to just envision it in the context of the time. And while he is certainly witty, and I find I often agree with many of his philosophies, his portrayal of those messages has aged poorly in many of his songs. And he DEFINITELY was trying to be provocative. Certainly, if someone today was making similar statements, they wouldn't get very far, and I'd honestly be ok with them not getting far. Now is different than then.
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: May 10 2020 at 05:45
^Rap artists currently have lyrics that are worse than Zappa ever had. Zappa's, lyrics while provocative, weren't trying to be hurtful, where you can't say the same about some rap artists.
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Posted By: questionsneverknown
Date Posted: May 10 2020 at 10:53
Grumpyprogfan wrote:
^ Zappa's, lyrics while provocative, weren't trying to be hurtful, where you can't say the same about some rap artists. |
The exception, though, might be some of the tracks on You Are What You Is--like Jumbo Go Away and Suicide Chump. It's part of the reason they made my least fave list--not that great as music and quite pointlessly mean really. Ben Watson makes much the same point in his excellent Frank Zappa: The Negative Dialectics of Poodle Play.
------------- The damage that we do is just so powerfully strong we call it love
The damage that we do just goes on and on and on but not long enough.
--Robyn Hitchcock
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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: May 10 2020 at 12:11
Awesoreno wrote:
Mortte wrote:
Fav: Peaches En RegaliaLeast fav (from what Iīve heard): Stick it Out (to me that song sounds to be homophobic humor from macho hetero man).
I really love Zappaīs sixties albums, also some in the beginning of seventies are quite good, but I think he started then just repeat himself and havenīt got really good ideas anymore. |
For the record, Zappa was not homophobic, nor was he very prejudiced. However, he was against phony people, and never wanted anyone to take themselves too seriously. Because of that, his satire often times is quite biting, or shrouded in intense irony (see Bobby Brown Goes Down). So sometimes, it sounds like he is making light of certain things that, at least today, doesn't really fly, despite not actually being a supporter of that kind of thinking/behavior/language/etc. In fact, he despised "macho men" who thought themselves irresistible to women (see Bobby Brown Goes Down again). I try to just envision it in the context of the time. And while he is certainly witty, and I find I often agree with many of his philosophies, his portrayal of those messages has aged poorly in many of his songs. And he DEFINITELY was trying to be provocative. Certainly, if someone today was making similar statements, they wouldn't get very far, and I'd honestly be ok with them not getting far. Now is different than then. | I didnīt say Zappa homophobic, I just said how that terrible song sounds to me. I donīt have no need to judge Zappa anyway, but what I have understood he wasnīt ever very kind to women.
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Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: May 10 2020 at 13:09
While I agree with Frank that suicide shouldn't be glorified, there are many people who suffer feelings of wanting to end it all who have no intention of trying to romanticize it. So I agree that he probably was wrong to make a statement as bold as that like on Suicide Chump. In any case, I'm more concerned with his compositions here.
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Posted By: Tendiwa
Date Posted: May 10 2020 at 13:22
Posted By: The Anders
Date Posted: May 10 2020 at 13:48
Also, the thing about Frank Zappa is, he has released WAY too many albums.
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Posted By: Canterzeuhl
Date Posted: May 13 2020 at 14:35
Most favourite - Ocean is the Ultimate Solution The guitar solos make my toes fizz. I should probably get that checked out.
Least favourite - The Adventures of Greggery Peccary
Too much narration. After all, music is the best.
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Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: May 16 2020 at 16:47
Hm. I'm not sure I have enough consistent responses to make a poll, at least for the least liked ones. I could probably do a most favorite, but I was hoping for more responses in general. Come on Zappa fans hiding in the woodwork. Or Zappa haters. Or (since his output is so diverse, as has been mentioned) people who like some works and loathe others. Let's see it!
I want to know prefers the way Farther O'Blivion (yes FARTHER, not FATHER) was better before or after it became the Be-Bop Tango. I want to know which version of Billy the Mountain is the best. Who despises the punk satire songs, but loves the doo-wop stuff. Who is underwhelmed by Camarillo Brillo, but is hooked on his modernist stuff hiding in the form of a rock/fusion outfit, like Moggio or Sinister Footwear II (that last one would be me).
I'm probably asking for too much...
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