why? What's so wrong with Maiden?

^ There in nothing wrong, but I find the music very uninteresting. Also the über macho attitudes as well as the horror film-like album covers seem rather pretentious and corny to me. But maybe that's just me. In any case, I recognise the influence they have had, and I am aware that a lot of metal wouldn't sound like it does if it wasn't for Iron Maiden.

But then, I've never been much of a metalhead. Metallica is one of the bands I actually like.

 über macho attitude with Maiden?!  I just don't see it. 

funny thing, the first 3 Maiden albums were definitely an influence on Metallica 

geekfreak wrote: Iron Maiden

Hetfield can also be a big doosh.

I agree and disagree with what you say there. 

Metallica did not play speed metal, it was thrash. Speed metal was basically fast paced heavy metal, vocals were cleaner than thrash, sometimes Halford inspired. 

As for speed & thrash being boring, I would not generalize. I've listened to my share of uninteresting to godawful thrash, but also awesome and entertaining bands/albums. 

As for Lars being one of the worst drummers - I kinda agree. But in the 80s, at least he was trying and trying hard. He did not care much in the 2000s and that can be seen in the music. On Metallica's last album he made an effort again. Maybe he's had enough with people making fun of his drumming, I don't know. 

Lars and James being dooshes? Yeah, sometimes. But then again, there are many in rock and metal (even prog), more famous or just as famous as them. 

Yup that's it Thrash......I thought that after I posted but then forgot to edit as one of my fav shows was on last night, Seal Team.

Thanks!

I would not compare Lars with Bruford, I don't expect him to. But listen to the drumming of other metal bands - Exodus, Testament, Death Angel, Anthrax (mentioned above by Tom) to name a few and then listen to Lars and then you'll see why many are dissatisfied. 

His limitations are quite noticeable on Death Magnetic. The drums have also been recorded upfront, rather loud. I think the music suffers. I would like to see or better said hear Hetfield jam with a top notch skilled drummer, I think it could be very interesting, it will not happen. Hetfield has always been the driving force in the band and I dare say he's carried Lars along.  Lars is very lucky with the guys in the band putting up with him. 

Death Magnetic was fan service indeed, and was successful. Funny thing they released an EP called Beyond Magnetic which I find more enjoyable than DM. 

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more love for early Maiden! 

with one good song, Virtual XI makes a nice beer coaster. 

Really? To me it's an unlistenable mess.

I just don't find the IM debut to be particularly pathbreaking.  More like following the footsteps of Judas Priest, Rainbow with Dio and Dio-Sabbath.  Dio is probably one of the most influential people in terms of developing a new epic direction for heavy metal in the 70s.  Whereas, while some underground albums (notably the Venom debut) may have anticipated Kill 'Em All, at a reasonably major band level, there had never been anything like it.  Even their thrash Big 4 contemporaries  (except Mustaine who has an axe to grind) have admitted to feeling influenced by early Metallica and that the success of KEA and RTL opened up many doors for them.  Metallica's impact on extreme metal was akin to Sex Pistols on punk.  

Now, yes, Lars was a terrible drummer and especially compared to Burr (as opposed to the wooden McBrain Maiden have had on board since Piece of Mind).  But as opposed to that, Burton was even more of a monster than Harris who was a one trick gallop pony and Hetfield is an underrated force on rhythm guitar. That more than compensated for Lars.  Hammett's solos may have been mediocre but then, so were Maiden's.  Again, just compare them to what Tipton was doing up at Priest and tell me again that they were so awesome and all that. 

Sure but Hetfield is a better rhythm guitarist than the ones of most of the thrash metal bands of his time.  Except Mustaine.  Only Megadeth were able to assemble lineups that beat Metallica almost all ends up (with the exception of bass, of course).  The other bands were always imbalanced.  Slayer, Anthrax, Dark Angel were all about the drums.  Sepultura got closer to putting together a good package but again, on bass, it was very hard to match Burton. 

RTL - MOP - ...AJFA is a truly magnificent set of 3 albums and for me they better any of IM's output.  IM probably more consistent overall.

Never understood why people think LU is a poor drummer either....but I'm no technician and just enjoy the music (or not)...

Seen them both live once.

But I'd go for the IM debut here