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Topic: Italian Prog - PFMPosted By: Kristian_Cole
Subject: Italian Prog - PFM
Date Posted: April 18 2020 at 01:36
Pretty much the greatest Italian prog track
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Replies: Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 18 2020 at 02:09
Storia di un minuto is my favourite PFM album, followed by L'isola di niente, then Per un Amico.
My favourite PFM tracks are "Dove... quando..." parts one and two, and "Via Lumière".
There's so much great Italian Prog it would be impossible for me to choose a favourite. An Area, Franco Battiato, a Goblin, a Fabio Frizzi, Franco Leprino, Banco del Mutuo SOccorso, Le Orme etc. etc. So many great ones to choose from.
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Posted By: Kristian_Cole
Date Posted: April 18 2020 at 02:10
I do have a soft spot for Banco del Mutuo SOccorso if im honest, but what an ignored scene until, like the past 10 years.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 18 2020 at 02:18
I suppose it wasn't until the internet and the popularity of sites like this that it became relatively well-known (at least outside of Italy). Other than Goblin, I hardly knew any Italian "prog" acts until 2005, and those I found because of this site. Italian Prog got talked about more here around the time I joined in 2006 than it does now, but then the forum is not as active as it once was.
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Posted By: Kristian_Cole
Date Posted: April 18 2020 at 05:30
Totally, there is a band called dark quarterer which are great also.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 18 2020 at 06:33
Kristian_Cole wrote:
Pretty much the greatest Italian prog track
nah man.. not even the best one from that album...
but greatest Italian track... toss up between Oro Caldo and Introduzione.
while Introduzione may be the single best heavy prog track ever recorded..not just Italian but all prog... giving it to Oro Caldo which put the Italian in Italian prog. I dare you to walk down teh chaotic streets of Napoli and not have this blasting in your head
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Posted By: The Anders
Date Posted: April 18 2020 at 06:38
I've only just recently beginning to explore Italian prog. So far I really enjoyed Le Orme's Felona e Sorona album, Banco del Mutuo Soccorso's debut album and, to some extent, Per un Amico by PFM.
Btw. I went through the overall top 100, and I notice it includes quite a few Italian prog albums. But no krautrock?
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 18 2020 at 06:43
Krautock is a different beast than most of the stuff on this site so it is no great surprise I suppose than in a list of most popular albums.. for it is not remotely a list of best or most important albums... you would be hard pressed to find much Krautorck.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 18 2020 at 06:55
It's interesting that at rateyourmusic under the progressive rock chart, it has three Can albums in the top ten. Faust is at 24. Neu is at 27 and 28. Amon Düül II is at 34. Faust is at 43. https://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?page=1&chart_type=top&type=album&year=alltime&genre_include=1&include_child_genres=1&genres=progressive+rock&include_child_genres_chk=1&include=both&origin_countries=&limit=none&countries=" rel="nofollow - CLICK HERE FOR CHART
Krautrock does much better there -- different community. I love Krautrock, and don't care much for the charts at PA. It seems a very safe and conventional Prog list here, whereas my tastes tend to be more off-beat, and much cooler.
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Posted By: Kristian_Cole
Date Posted: April 18 2020 at 09:28
felt krautrock had more jazz influence? correct me if wrong.
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Posted By: Machinemessiah
Date Posted: April 18 2020 at 09:38
I know PFM and Maxophone from late 90's; in pre-internet era, a friend of a friend, older than us, had a huge collection of CD's from where we could borrow. There I met the aforementioned and the likes of Caravan, Renaissance, Triumvirat, etc.
I prefer L'Isola to Storia..
My favorite track on L'Isola is "Is My Face on Straight".
But I find these two albums even better:
Posted By: Machinemessiah
Date Posted: April 18 2020 at 09:59
micky wrote:
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Hey Micky, great video!
it's a bit early but.. it's weekend!
I cannot do without posting this other video I found recently; I'm a 70's purist, but the quality of this... amazing.
As an amateur guitar player, for me Franco Mussida is an absolute hero. ^ Wow.. can't believe that hair!
(it's him right? couldn't find the personnel list on YouTube, but sure it's him).
And the drummer in your video would be Di Cioccio? Love his playing and attitude on this other : )
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Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: April 18 2020 at 10:25
Logan wrote:
Storia di un minuto is my favourite PFM album, followed by L'isola di niente, then Per un Amico.
My favourite PFM tracks are "Dove... quando..." parts one and two, and "Via Lumière".
There's so much great Italian Prog it would be impossible for me to choose a favourite. An Area, Franco Battiato, a Goblin, a Fabio Frizzi, Franco Leprino, Banco del Mutuo SOccorso, Le Orme etc. etc. So many great ones to choose from.
PFM are awesome only been listening to Italian Prog over the last 4/5 years and I`ve totally impressed with the bands I`ve heard
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Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: April 18 2020 at 10:28
Logan wrote:
It's interesting that at rateyourmusic under the progressive rock chart, it has three Can albums in the top ten. Faust is at 24. Neu is at 27 and 28. Amon Düül II is at 34. Faust is at 43. https://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?page=1&chart_type=top&type=album&year=alltime&genre_include=1&include_child_genres=1&genres=progressive+rock&include_child_genres_chk=1&include=both&origin_countries=&limit=none&countries=" rel="nofollow - CLICK HERE FOR CHART
Krautrock does much better there -- different community. I love Krautrock, and don't care much for the charts at PA. It seems a very safe and conventional Prog list here, whereas my tastes tend to be more off-beat, and much cooler.
I can still remember the first time I heard Can, NEU! and TD! absolute mind blowing
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 18 2020 at 11:17
Hi,
I'm not sure I can say anything about PFM that has not already been said ... between them and BANCO, LE ORME and a couple other bands, you have some magnificent music all around, and it deserves a lot of credit, and one other detail that is incredible ... the recent album by BANCO without the great late singer is FANTASTIC in Vittorio's hands, and one of PFM's latest is also a GREAT listen ... and I have not kept up with Le Orme, one band that will still be creating new material on their wooden boxes, I bet!
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Posted By: Sacro_Porgo
Date Posted: April 18 2020 at 19:59
Per Un Amico is better than most albums by the big 6 prog bands. Only a select few surpass it. Doesn't matter if you can understand Italian or not.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 19 2020 at 05:36
Machinemessiah wrote:
micky wrote:
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Hey Micky, great video!
it's a bit early but.. it's weekend!
I cannot do without posting this other video I found recently; I'm a 70's purist, but the quality of this... amazing.
As an amateur guitar player, for me Franco Mussida is an absolute hero. ^ Wow.. can't believe that hair!
(it's him right? couldn't find the personnel list on YouTube, but sure it's him).
And the drummer in your video would be Di Cioccio? Love his playing and attitude on this other : )
EDIT: had trouble playing it here; if not, here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itCS3oKPrfM" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itCS3oKPrfM
damn skippy man.. it is never too early on a weekend if one ignores disapproving looks from tea-totalling spousal units haha. Yet Raff's coffee is so damn good I'll toast you with a mug of her finest.
yeah that was Di Cioccio on the batteria and Mussida. Funny... last Friday we were comparing our plague afflicted domes of letttuce at the office and I brought that video up
and said I ain't self cutting until I start looking like this dude. It might not have Sexy Stipe kind of locks.. but have no doubt he had no problem getting laid...
then again all you need is a guitar and women will start losing the clothes...
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Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: April 19 2020 at 05:42
My fave Italian group is Area - and their music is not similar to "Rock progressivo italiano".
I cant say which is the best Italian song... there are a lot wonderful songs....
And: I repeat: Generally, Italians dont understand the beauty of Rock progressivo italiano, Italians think that
what comes from abroad is always better.
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: April 19 2020 at 05:56
I was meant to see Banco live in Bologna recently. Unfortunately that wasn't to be, due to the Coronavirus lockdown. I hope they come back when concerts are possible again. There isn't a weak second on their first three albums, and the new Transiberiana is astonishingly good, too. I can relate to them much better than to PFM for some reason.
I love Area, they're weird and innovative, but I'm less often in the mood for them than for Banco. Franco Battiato has some genius stuff. However my favourite Italian album is this, which doesn't really sound like PFM but rather like a predecessor of the magnificient last two Talk Talk albums. This is utterly beautiful!
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 19 2020 at 06:11
jamesbaldwin wrote:
My fave Italian group is Area - and their music is not similar to "Rock progressivo italiano".
well in all honesty.. none of the Big 6 of RPI sound remotely anything like each other. That was the point.. very much like Krautrock... and to a lesser extent Canterbury.
One thing we as collabs noticed back in the halcyon days of this site... discovering a1 didn't necessarily lead to them going to a2.. but b1... c1 .. d1. Even if not musically similar the musical/social/political background in which these groups created their music tied them together. and decades later still did in the minds of todays musical explorers.
Part of our jobs of collabs was not just to illuminate.. but educate...
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: April 19 2020 at 06:47
So many Italian Prog bands - one album is better than the next. Absolutely love PFM, Per un Amico being my favourite, but one Italian band I hold in the highest regard - Le Orme. Uomo di Pezza being the greatest Italprog album ever (for me).
Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: April 19 2020 at 09:30
Tom Ozric wrote:
So many Italian Prog bands - one album is better than the next. Absolutely love PFM, Per un Amico being my favourite, but one Italian band I hold in the highest regard - Le Orme. Uomo di Pezza being the greatest Italprog album ever (for me).
the golden era of the 70`s as so many amazing bands Area is a fav of my
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: April 19 2020 at 16:46
geekfreak wrote:
Tom Ozric wrote:
So many Italian Prog bands - one album is better than the next. Absolutely love PFM, Per un Amico being my favourite, but one Italian band I hold in the highest regard - Le Orme. Uomo di Pezza being the greatest Italprog album ever (for me).
the golden era of the 70`s as so many amazing bands Area is a fav of my
For sure !! Crac! is my pick of theirs, though I only have 5 LP’s from them ; Crac!, Maladetti, Areazione, Gli Restano....and Tic & Tac.