Ok. Which is superior ?
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Topic: Ok. Which is superior ?
Posted By: M27Barney
Subject: Ok. Which is superior ?
Date Posted: March 31 2020 at 06:45
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Let the site decide... ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: March 31 2020 at 06:46
| that's vague, superior how? |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: March 31 2020 at 06:49
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I keep my vynils in alphabetical order by artist. Pink tops Genesis. (Apart of that I'm everything but a Genesis fan) ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: DarkTower
Date Posted: March 31 2020 at 07:28
| Genesis |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: March 31 2020 at 07:31
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Floyd. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: March 31 2020 at 07:35
| Neither is superior. Different dinosaurs. |
Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: March 31 2020 at 08:11
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Foxtrot but both are perfect albums ------------- The sun has left the sky... ...Now you can close your eyes |
Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: March 31 2020 at 08:26
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This will be close as I suspect to confirm the dichotomy... ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: March 31 2020 at 08:40
| If it had been Atom Heart, my choise would have been clear, but now itīs Foxtrot. |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: March 31 2020 at 09:07
| easily Genesis because of Suppers Ready --but Dark side is good. |
Posted By: Mirakaze
Date Posted: March 31 2020 at 09:32
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Foxtrot by a vast margin |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: March 31 2020 at 10:13
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Foxtrot, but both are very good. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: March 31 2020 at 10:14
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Simply Genesis. ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: March 31 2020 at 10:19
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Dark Side of the Moon has always been a far superior album listening experience for me. It's like comparing a walk on a beautiful, sandy beach on a peaceful summer's eve to that over jagged rocks long after sunset. ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: March 31 2020 at 10:47
Yeah...at least 5 magnitudes in superiority...lets stick it to the false proggers (prosecute the heretics).... ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Mirakaze wrote:Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: March 31 2020 at 10:53
| Darkside is probably "superior" but I don't like it more. But I suppose it depends on what is meant by superior. I think as a rock album Darkside is better but as a prog album Foxtrot(although there are a few Genesis albums I like better). Anyway, no vote from me. |
Posted By: Gentle and Giant
Date Posted: March 31 2020 at 11:26
| Foxtrot for me. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 31 2020 at 11:28
That's very similar to what I was going to say, only that's better expressed. Also, I do consider Dark Side of the Moon to be the much more remarkable and significant album in the history of rock, music generally, and art. That doesn't make it intrinsically to be of better quality, but Dark Side of the Moon is far more iconic and has had a much greater impact. I've never much liked Foxtrot. I don't find it to be anything special even just in the Genesis oeuvre. To me it doesn't stand out, and if we were without it, well, it's not that remarkable or unusual an achievement for Genesis. One could easily substitute Nursery Cryme or Selling England by the Pound, I think. And as art rock, I dig The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway. Dark Side of the Moon may not be my favourite Pink Floyd (it has been), but it does still stand out in the discography as it is so iconic, and it gets referenced in popular culture a great deal. It is one of the great works of the second half of the 20th century I'd posit, whereas Foxtrot is just another Gabriel era Genesis album to me, and it happens to be my least liked of those other than the debut. Pink Floyd has many great albums I think, but only one Dark Side of the Moon. I don't feel quite the same about Genesis with Foxtrot. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: March 31 2020 at 11:33
| Both are great albums, albeit one is bigger and probably better in the grand scheme of things, but I'll go with Foxtrot because of Supper's Ready. |
Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: March 31 2020 at 12:14
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Foxtrot. ------------- Welcome to the middle of the film. |
Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: March 31 2020 at 12:18
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DOTM ------------- https://ibb.co/8x0xjR0" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: March 31 2020 at 13:10
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Foxtrot still remains my favourite musical album of all time (regardless of genre) - so for me it is 'superior' to even the wonderful DSOTM (whose only flaw is that I over-played it to death in the 70s!) ------------- Living in their pools, they soon forget about the sea. |
Posted By: Cosmiclawnmower
Date Posted: March 31 2020 at 13:22
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I prefer Foxtrot but that's not the question. Neither is 'superior' to the other; Technically? I'm sure Floyd had a bigger budget and access to better recording facilities. Compositionally? I know relatively little about composition but I am sure they are very different beasts in terms of how they are structured, written and constructed in the studio. Artistically?? Sonically? Intellectually? etc etc... I don't really see it as a valid question except in terms of which one is preferable to individual tastes.. ------------- |
Posted By: Sztermel
Date Posted: March 31 2020 at 14:22
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Genesis by far, but I can't vote :,,,,,( |
Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: March 31 2020 at 14:27
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Wow, the results so far are so close. ^casting my vote for Foxtrot to make it even closer. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 31 2020 at 14:37
You need 40 points before you can vote in the poll options, so for the meantime, write-in votes must suffice. At your rate of posting, this could take a very long time.  ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: March 31 2020 at 15:05
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Both are masterpieces. Foxtrot is my overall #2 whereas Dark Side of the Moon is not my #1, so... ------------- 
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Posted By: Mirakaze
Date Posted: March 31 2020 at 15:07
I agree with that analogy, in the sense that Foxtrot feels like an adventure in little-explored terrain while DSotM feels like a casual stroll in a well-lit area upon which countless others have trod before (okay, that may be a little extreme/unfair but in all seriousness, I personally find Foxtrot many times more invigorating to listen to)
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: March 31 2020 at 15:44
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On RYM which is a much larger user based site than PA, Floyd clearly wins Out of the top 5000 albums of all time
On Pa they are fairly neck in neck but Dark Side is still ahead. For me personally Dark Side by a mile -------------  https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: Upbeat Tango Monday
Date Posted: March 31 2020 at 15:59
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I much prefer Foxtrot ------------- Two random guys agreed to shake hands. Just Because. They felt like it, you know. It was an agreement of sorts...a random agreement. |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: March 31 2020 at 16:19
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Dark Side of the Moon. Soundwise, DSotM is far superior (Foxtrot originally was quite muddy sounding), and it is a far more cohesive album compositionally. DSotM is, by all accounts outside this smug little progressive cocoon here, is one of the greatest rock albums of all time. The same will never be said of Foxtrot. Plus, I have always been irritated at Steve Hackett for not properly acknowledging that he lifted "Horizons" from Bach.
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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: March 31 2020 at 16:24
| It's very close, but Foxtrot gets my vote. |
Posted By: VianaProghead
Date Posted: March 31 2020 at 17:30
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Both are masterpieces, but perhaps Foxtrot due to Supper's Ready.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: March 31 2020 at 18:37
| Dark Side for me, easily. The only one I really love on Foxtrot is Supper's Ready... it would have been a far closer call if it had been Foxtrot vs Meddle (though in the total votes I guess Foxtrot would have won very easily). |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 31 2020 at 18:48
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Foxtrot ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: March 31 2020 at 19:28
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Foxtrot.....probably due to hearing DSOTM far too many times on the radio and peoples turntables. But I really like Watcher and Suppers Ready. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Enchant X
Date Posted: March 31 2020 at 19:33
PINK FLOYD. Dark Side of the Moon is superior in that it achieved greater success but I prefer Genesis Foxtrot, I voted for Pink Floyd because it is superior in what I just mentioned. 
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Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: March 31 2020 at 20:29
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Ok, have to do something about my 'fanboy' image and just be 100% objective here and pick.. Foxtrot!!!!! No, the superior album has to be Dark Side(considered by many a top 5 all time album). Super's Ready is a towering prog classic though obviously.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 01 2020 at 01:11
| PINK FLOYD - Dark Side of the Moon |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: April 01 2020 at 01:20
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Which one do I enjoy the most?? Is that question..? Difficult choice. I've no idea. I love them both. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: April 01 2020 at 02:07
| I grew up with Foxtrot, but today I live with Dark side. |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: April 01 2020 at 02:46
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685 more PA members had sufficient cause to rate DSOTM (1973) than Foxtrot (1972) so maybe that might tip the scales? Either way, no-one can claim this poll question is objectively any more crassly asinine than any other poll question. ------------- 
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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: April 01 2020 at 03:17
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I reckon this question is the acid test for prog psychology lesson #1. I consider DSOTM a pop record and not deserving of its place in the list. Anybody who argues against this should consider the glaring fact. DSOTM is loved by Ceņine Dion fans, Foxtrot is not...I rest my case M'lud... ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: April 01 2020 at 03:20
^I love both but since you put it that way: Floyd it is  ------------- The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 01 2020 at 03:21
ok, please stop with the exaggerations. I get it, you prefer Genesis to Pink Floyd, and Foxtrot to DSOTM. This does not mean you need to insult all those who think otherwise. |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: April 01 2020 at 03:32
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It is a matter of justice dont you see that Cristi? Barney knows the truth and is currently trying to showcase it to the rest of us plebs. Music after all is not subjective.. prog splendour and indeed the merits of the genre are very much written in stone. Folks like you and me merely read the wrong stone tablets  ------------- The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: tdfloyd
Date Posted: April 01 2020 at 03:49
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Dark Side >> Everything Else Dark Side is an album that I always go back to, and don't change the station if its on the radio. Even if its Money for the 10,000 time. Foxtrot is a great album but...
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: April 01 2020 at 04:20
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: April 01 2020 at 04:27
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: April 01 2020 at 04:29
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oh, you're just playing devil's advocate by evening up the score. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: April 01 2020 at 04:35
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No I openly despise DSoTM and have made several threads on said topic; have you forgotten? Lol.
Here was my most popular!: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=114220 ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: April 01 2020 at 05:14
Good. Its not that I dislike it? I like the one track...its just that I am objectively stumped on why it is considered so important....The emperor is fookin naked you wimpling zoop buckets... ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 01 2020 at 05:29
so because you dislike the album and do not understand why so many people find it important, must be all those people are wrong or something  Good one. You take fanboyism to whole new levels...
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: April 01 2020 at 06:16
Good name for a 'Nun themed' Floyd tribute band.... who interpret DSOTM in its entirety on chromatically tuned buckets -------------
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 01 2020 at 07:14
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Hi, DSOTM ... is a record for the ages that also set new recording standards for quality and design. At that time GENESIS was nowhere near that standard. As far as the "music" in both albums, I find it a bad comparison and discussion. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: April 01 2020 at 07:41
One can, however, despise Celine Dion and still love DSOTM more than Foxtrot. Ask me. You can consider DSOTM whatever you want, it isn't a pop record to me and never will be.
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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: April 01 2020 at 08:25
To take another angle...Genesis Abacab is pop and not prog and is popular outside of prog parameters. I extend my theory to incņude the 1973 DSOTM. Just because it was in the peak of prog does not make it prog...if your parameters allow for inclusion into prog then you must also allow every feckin well produced pop album into the genre...and the box is opened and the wave form is broken... ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 01 2020 at 08:31
how is DSOTM pop music? enlighten us/me...
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: April 01 2020 at 08:35
I don't see what Abacab has to do with this. It's a straight up 80s pop album and of a particularly dated/grating variety, not classy and sophisticated like Donald Fagen's Nightfly or Prefab Sprout's Two Wheels Good. Why, I'd take Hounds of Love over 80s Genesis easily. DSOTM on the other hand is a ROCK album with a very wide sonic palate and plenty of experimentation that goes well beyond the confines of its 'non prog' rock peers like Deep Purple or Led Zeppelin. What it misses in prog terms are long track lengths (but Gentle Giant doesn't have that either), odd time sigs and extended instrumental sections (unless you count a long bluesy saxophone solo followed by a long bluesy guitar solo in Money). DSOTM is not POP from any standpoint, irrespective of how prog or not it may be.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 01 2020 at 08:42
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I couldn't care less or mind if Dark Side of the Moon is considered a kind of pop music (it is popular music, and it depends how one defines the term -- many words are flexible, including pop and prog). I'd call Dark Side of the Moon an art rock album. I don't consider an album to be superior to another just because one is quintessentially Prog and the other isn't. If you were to ask me who is the superior composer, Roine Stolt, since I know Barney likes The Flower Kings, or Bach, I'd say Bach in a heart-beat. I like a great deal of non-Prog, I dislike a great deal of non-Prog, I like a lot of Prog and I dislike a lot of Prog. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: April 01 2020 at 09:21
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I'm sure that Stolt would be chuffed to be mentioned in the same sentence as Bach....but again , obviously I would choose Bach, since his music definately influenced prog more than most classical composers...but one cannot ignore the elephant in the room. You can't polish a turd, and even though the fan boys may scream and shout, DSOTM is more about studio perfection versus musical and lyrical content...the fact that Foxtrot is deemed inferior because of its recording/mix is a fookin ludicrous argument....and still tbe supposedly perfect headphone album has not much more to offer? Call it art rock? Pop or studio perfection n sound effects....I still don't see how it gets anywhere near the top 10000 prog releases...or is that just me? ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: April 01 2020 at 09:26
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And anyway a fox in a red dress....genius...or a woman with a foxes head...either way its a winner... ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: Chaser
Date Posted: April 01 2020 at 09:41
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DSOTM is a great album, but it's Foxtrot for me ------------- Songs cast a light on you |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: April 01 2020 at 09:44
Just your opinion...
I didn't say it's because of the recording/mix. I would take Nursery Cryme over DSOTM just fine. But Foxtrot is a very uneven album. Watcher has that brilliant intro and then that repetition of Watcher of the skies watching about goes on for entirely too long. Other than that, Get Em Out By Friday is ok, not the best Genesis song ever made or anything and if Trick of the Tail had Peter Gabriel in the credits, most Genesis fanboys would be rating most of that album over Get Em Out. Supper's Ready is, of course, the undeniable and timeless masterpiece. If they had just released Supper's Ready as an EP and not stuck on this extra baggage, would I rate Foxtrot over DSOTM? Yes, I would. But as it stands, I have to deal with this baggage dragging down one of the greatest epics of prog while everything on DSOTM has a reason, a purpose as to why it's put in there.
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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: April 01 2020 at 10:00
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Fair enough...but I posited that it would be 50/50 or close to...the dichotomy is proven on a reasonably small sample size admittedly... ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 01 2020 at 10:10
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Whether Dark Side of the Moon, or Bach, has anything to do with Prog would not make any difference to me as the question was stated. I consider Dark Side of the Moon to be more of a classic of rock than Prog. I would expect it to rank very high on many rock lists period, whether classic rock, art rock, mainstream rock or progressive rock. It is considered by many to be a seminal album, it's iconic, and many make very positive associations with it. I don;t know how I;d rank it in my collection, it's not one I've listened to much in years, but it is an album that has been very important in my life (especially as a teenager). Foxtrot is just another Gabriel-era Genesis album to me. It's not that special to me, others will feel differently. Now "Supper's Ready" is a huge classic, I'd posit. I wouldn't say that either is generally-speaking inherently superior to the other, and different people will take different approaches. Sorry for adding in part of one of my earlier posts to this post, slightly edited. It wasn't considered interesting enough to get a response then, and I doubt it would now, but it saves me trying to re-type some of that stuff, and my wife is at me to get down to work. I do consider Dark Side of the Moon to be the much more remarkable and significant album in the history of rock, music generally, and art. That doesn't make it intrinsically to be of better quality, but Dark Side of the Moon is far more iconic and has had a much greater impact. I've never much liked Foxtrot. I don't find it to be anything special even just in the Genesis oeuvre. To me it doesn't stand out, other then Supper's Ready, and if we were without it, well, it's not that remarkable or unusual an achievement for Genesis. One could easily substitute Nursery Cryme or Selling England by the Pound, I think. And as art rock, I dig The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway. Dark Side of the Moon may not be my favourite Pink Floyd (it has been), but it does still stand out in the discography as it is so iconic, and it gets referenced in popular culture a great deal. It is one of the great works of the second half of the 20th century I'd posit, whereas Foxtrot is just another Gabriel era Genesis album to me, and it happens to be my least liked of those other than the debut. Pink Floyd has many great albums I think, but only one Dark Side of the Moon. I don't feel quite the same about Genesis with Foxtrot. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 01 2020 at 12:25
this thread reminds me of this |
Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: April 01 2020 at 12:27
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Foxtrot. Now 29-29. ------------- A curse upon the heads of those who seek their fortunes in a lie. The truth is always waiting when there's nothing left to try. - Colin Henson, Jade Warrior (Now) |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 01 2020 at 20:25
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on third beer... so on go the caps... GET OFF THE DRUGS GENESIS FANS.. NOT EVEN IN THE SAME LEAGUE!!!!!!! sheesh... I feel better now.. what happened to this forum anyway. We used to have people who knew music.. now we just have fanboys here. VDGG may give prog a bad name.. but it is Genesis fan that give prog fan a bad name ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: April 01 2020 at 21:02
You tell 'em mick
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: April 01 2020 at 22:40
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Foxtrot is prog, DSOM is AOR. There, I said it. ------------- I am not a Robot, I'm a FREE MAN!! |
Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: April 02 2020 at 00:53
Aye...MICKY...YO FLOYD FANCHILD....DON'T COME CRYING TO US WHEN YOU START BEING STALKED BY FOXHEAD WOMEN IN RED DRESSES.... ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: April 02 2020 at 02:05
I'm sorry I can't hear you over the sounds of myself throwing 1,000,000 copies of DSoTM into a wood chipper .------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 02 2020 at 02:43
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And here I thought Slayer and Dream Theater fanboys were ridiculous, add Genesis to the list. Like I said before, they are two quite different bands to compare. What's next? Someone will compare Moody Blues and Opeth?
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: April 02 2020 at 03:05
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^Or Shub-Niggurath and Moon Safari. -------------
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: April 02 2020 at 03:32
Guess you haven't previously seen this side of the Bobble Heads as micky refers to them. Hey, I love Genesis too but I don't understand this need to sneer at Pink Floyd.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 02 2020 at 06:23
Hi, You know why all those home orchestras play dead composers, right? .... They don't have to pay them ... so stealing a riff from Bach ... your free token! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: April 02 2020 at 06:24
A bit of an over-reaction. This bobblehead loves some floyd. Echoes has a dreamy laidback vibe and the start is ace, especially the submarine ping...Shine on had one of the best starts of any symphonic prog track. Also I love all of Animals...also a better album than DSOYM by 10 magnitudes...and proper prog...This argument would be duplicated if abacab was in the top rated albums... ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 02 2020 at 06:25
Hi, All that money thrown away ... go ahead! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: April 02 2020 at 06:31
But again, Abacab and DSOTM are nothing like each other. You cannot discount the cultural relevance of DSOTM just because it doesn't have full fledged prog songs; something Abacab doesn't have even a mere smidgen of. Words like "Black and blue/And who knows which is which and who is who" will never get too old, ever. Foxtrot is interesting in its own right but simply doesn't have the broad sweep of DSOTM.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 02 2020 at 06:32
why do you keep comparing DSOTM to Abacab? That's even a worse comparison than the one in the poll.
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: April 02 2020 at 06:39
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Listening to DSOTM made me impotent, prone to psychotic episodes and caused my teeth to fall out. No wait..that was Meth -------------
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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: April 02 2020 at 08:24
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I am stating that Floyd produced some superb symphonic prog. No question...even tho I wouņd still place Foxtrot above those tho. But DS... is just not prog. Using abacab as an example of an album popular with non prog fans...DS... is liked by non proggers to an extent that Floyd fan boys cannot get their heads round...Prog Genesis fans HATE abacab or at least realise it is pop...DSOTM IS NOT FECKING PROG, NEVER WAS AND NEVER WILL BE...AAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHH.... ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: April 02 2020 at 08:43
Why does it matter that non proggers like DS? Non proggers (those who like jazz) also like Steely Dan. Non proggers also like a bunch of Jethro Tull's stuff. Not all prog rock band material fancied by non prog listeners is Abacab category.
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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: April 02 2020 at 10:29
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To be fair, I think I had the DSOTM is not prog argument in 1981. This was due to a knob I went to college with who claimed that Thomas Dolby was a superior keyboard player than Wakeman, Emerson and Banks, he loved DSOTM and stated it was technically superior to everything recorded 1969-1975....I reckon he was Mickys dad... ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: April 02 2020 at 10:32
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Dark Side for me ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: April 02 2020 at 10:53
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Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: April 02 2020 at 11:15
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Because the question is "Which is superior?" rather than "Which do you prefer?", I have put aside my own biases and voted for the progressive rock album that has charted for over 900 weeks, sold over 45 million copies, and was one of the albums of the "Classic Albums" documentary series. ------------- No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man. |
Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: April 03 2020 at 00:30
And wikipedia is always right? Right? And like I said , Off the wall should also be classed as prog then... ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: April 03 2020 at 06:23
It's the consensus across the internet that DSotM is prog. By all means, peruse any record site. Start with RateYourMusic and go from there. Across the world. In huts in Kenya and yurts in Mongolia. I don't recall any site ever listing Off the Wall as such, ever. You have some weird hatred fixation for the album. Whatever. You're wrong. Majority rules. Have a nice day. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: silverpot
Date Posted: April 03 2020 at 10:05
The poll isn't about which album is more prog than the other, or at all. It's about which is superior. A no brainer, if ever there was one. The production of Dark Side...is absolutely outstanding.
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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: April 03 2020 at 10:53
| I am much more of a floyd guy than a Genesis guy, I do like Foxtrot but Dark Side is by far the better album for my taste. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 03 2020 at 11:53
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Foxtrot has a lot of rough edges but that is part of its charm. Never been a massive fan of DSOTM as a studio album but the few times I've seen it performed in its entirety live have both been great especially with the 'flying bed' video sequence that Roger Waters used for On The Run. Great Gig In The Sky is another highlight. I look forward to that whenever I see The Australian Pink Floyd every year. Time is also absolutely classic. In fact most of it is good at least but I still wonder if it really adds up to a whole hill of beans. Even Waters was not totally convinced and felt he had got away with something apparently! |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 03 2020 at 12:04
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^ It's nice to hear Waters being critical of something he was involved with other than Atom Heart Mother (which in that case I took as disrespectful to Ron Geesin). By the way, I don't how many others are watching Westworld, but I loved hearing Pink Floyd in this official trailer for season three: Of course Dark Side of the Moon is one of the most referenced and iconic albums. By the way, this poll has got me listening to Foxtrot again and appreciating more than what I used to appreciate it from it. I like topics that not only help me to discover new-to-me music, but also ones that get me to re-evaluate/ reconsider music. And even if I may have often have problems with notions of superiority/ best/ worst unless approaching it from within a very specific framework, it can be interesting and make for more lively discussion and debate than just another "What's your favourite?" kind of topic. It can be rather more fun. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: April 03 2020 at 12:21
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In my personal ranking, I've put 8,5/9 that is Four and a half stars at both. They are, in my code, almost masterpieces but not real masterpieces. What can I choose? I dont know, but go The Dark go!
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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: April 03 2020 at 13:49
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This poll has again....informed me of... Some people place production above musical merit... DSOTM was overated in 1973 and still is 47 years later... The zeitgeist has constantly changed but the elephant is still in the prog room.... ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 03 2020 at 13:57
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It's kind of reminded me that trying to engage in dialectic, and have a nuanced conversation, can be really challenging. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: April 03 2020 at 14:22
And yet one thing remains constant: you were wrong in 1973 and you are still wrong 47 years later. I still recall hearing DSotM when it was released. I recall where I first heard it at age 13 in 1973, and who I was with. Fantastic album, always has been. Which is why so many millions of people wore out their vinyl, then wore out their 8 tracks, then wore out their cassettes, and then purchased various CDs and DATS and whatever technologies. And it is progressive rock. You have offered scant little to obviate the obvious. Other than your hurt feelings. Did a fluorescent Pink Floyd prism poster cut your finger when you removed it from the plastic and unrolled it back in the 70s? ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: April 03 2020 at 14:39
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Is DSOTM a very good lp...it certainly is. Is it prog rock....for the most part it is. Is it 'superior' to Foxtrot.....not necessarily ,and as always in these type of threads it's completely subjective. People vote for the lp they like the best. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: April 04 2020 at 01:23
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Anyway. I was thinking about the genre conumdrum. Clearly, as I have said I can and do apply genre at TRACK level. Thus, you can allow for a time period analysis of a band, who change genre OVER time. I know that true objective parameters for each genre have not been clearly identified but if you compare DSOTM track by track, only ACYL is actually anywhere near a prog track...and my subjective analysis is as valid as anybody else's. It aint nothing but a brilliantly recorded art rock/AOR release which stands out IN 1973 BECAUSE IT WASN'T PROG ROCK...I will argue this till I die at the age of 134....listening to Foxtrot... ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |