How big is the prog rock community
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Topic: How big is the prog rock community
Posted By: A Bard
Subject: How big is the prog rock community
Date Posted: March 17 2020 at 08:09
I started listening to prog rock in the summer of 2019. I little confused about how big is the community so can any one tell me how big the is the community. It can be an estimate or very accurate. Thanks
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Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: March 17 2020 at 08:32
Small. Very small. The Prog playlist on Spotify has 5000 likes.
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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: March 17 2020 at 08:55
It would be interesting to see if anyone can figure out a way to determine that. Spotify would only show people who are on Spotify who listen to prog, there are plenty who don't listen there, from what I see on discussions in prog radio chats etc. I see a certain set of station and host loyals making the rounds of prog stations/shows, they do not tend to listen to other stations, although they may show up on multiple hosted shows on the same station. There are a lot of indie labels and doubtless small sales compared to popular music; I know the live venues/festivals are small, in the US they are mostly on the East Coast, with the proximity of venues being closer, it's less expensive to put an act on the road there. Europe is also easier to play live for acts (until just recently), for the same reasons the East Coast is, here in the US. There must be some way to come up with a figure, but with such scattered stats, kind of a pain to do, most likely.
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: March 17 2020 at 08:59
I'm guessing it's in the 1000s of hard core fans - the Pendragon fan club on Facebook has 2100 members. It's a bit like a little club and you do see the same names popping up in different FB groups. I'm talking about the UK here btw.
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Posted By: A Bard
Date Posted: March 17 2020 at 09:02
Thanks, As noob i think prog rock is wonderful genre and it a shame that it is not popular. As an I tunes user on the genres of music theirs no prog rock category. But if you find prog rock and you like it you can never go back to regular music so prog has a loyal fan base. I cant listen to pop it feel so repetitive and boring.
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Posted By: A Bard
Date Posted: March 17 2020 at 09:13
if every prog fan ever has an account in prog archives that means that their at least 55,000 members. Would guess 100,000 members but not all of them are hard core.
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: March 17 2020 at 09:16
A Bard wrote:
Thanks, As noob i think prog rock is wonderful genre and it a shame that it is not popular. |
I agree, but then again being not so popular means you can get tickets for great gigs at a reasonable price at a venue that isn't the size of 10 aircraft hangers. You can also get to meet some of the musicians, John Young of Lifesigns even greeted people on the way into a gig once! My wife likes a lot of US bluegrass artists who aren't so popular in the UK e.g The Punch Brothers and we can usually get really good seats at their gigs.
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Posted By: A Bard
Date Posted: March 17 2020 at 09:17
[QUOTE=A Bard]I started listening to prog rock in the summer of 2019. I little confused about how big is the community so can any one tell me how big the is the community. It can be an estimate or very accurate. Thanks [Prog is not dead]
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 17 2020 at 09:26
An accurate figure would be impossible, and it would depend on one's specific criteria and parameters.
I like and dislike, and am neutral about, a lot of what might be classified as progressive rock. While I am a part of a progressive rock community (that community being the Prog Archives community), I wouldn't describe myself as a Prog fan. I love plenty of pop music, especially of the art pop and avant pop ilk), and much of my favourite so-called Prog is repetitive and many Prog and and pop fans would find it boring.
It partially depends upon how you define (and boundarise?) Prog. One could argue that there are many Prog communities, and more still if one has liberal prog parameters.
There are a huge many people who like music we have included in Prog Archives as Prog (by our various category standards). For instance, Pink Floyd has been a mainstream, popular band, but I wouldn't expect that most who like Pink would consider themselves to be part of a Prog community.
Just with this site alone, quoted from the home page of Prog Archives:
PROG ARCHIVES intends to be the most complete and powerful progressive rock resource. You can find the progressive rock music discographies from 11,029 bands & artists, 61,116 albums (LP, CD and DVD), 1,674,625 ratings and reviews from 62,832 members who also participate in our active forum.... |
That's quite a lot of people for this kind of a special-interest site. The actual number of fans are much bigger, and there are other online Prog communities (some went bust).
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Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: March 17 2020 at 09:27
Though the number might be a bit small, there are many like yourself that are discovering and there are definitely a lot of new bands out there, especially in the Progressive Metal, Neo-prog and Crossover Prog categories, so there must be enough interest to generate these new bands. While it's true many come and go quite quickly, the best ones end up hanging around for a while.
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Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: March 17 2020 at 09:58
As for real enthusiasts who are really knowledgeable, I'd guess thousands, or might be some tens of thousands in the world.
People who are regular listeners of the genre who aren't that passionate (and who listen to some other genres more) should be tens of thousands.
People who listen to Pink Floyd might be a colossal community.
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Posted By: A Bard
Date Posted: March 17 2020 at 10:03
I think the best gateway to prog is Pink Floyd
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: March 17 2020 at 10:06
I heard that it was 2% of the rock audience. Now, if we only knew how big the rock audience is.
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Posted By: Argo2112
Date Posted: March 17 2020 at 10:32
There's about 12 of us and we all hang out here because no one else likes us!
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 17 2020 at 10:38
SteveG wrote:
I heard that it was 2% of the rock audience. Now, if we only knew how big the rock audience is. |
According to staistica.com based on a Deezer survey for 2018, for certain US consumers, rock is the biggest genre at 56.8 percent 9 at least when it comes to buying more traditional formats (one might say rock fans are quite conservative in some ways) -- radio and types of streaming is another matter.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/442354/music-genres-preferred-consumers-usa/" rel="nofollow - https://www.statista.com/statistics/442354/music-genres-preferred-consumers-usa/ And apparently the majority of vinyls sold in the US fall into the rock category. Rap fans and rappers also buy records, partially to sample, but they tend to scratch them. ;)
Amy Watson wrote:
According to a study carried out by Deezer in May 2018, the most popular genre among Americans was rock music, with 56.8 percent of respondents stating that they were currently listening to music within this genre as of the date of survey. Pop and country music were the second and third most popular genres respectively, and 20.2 percent of respondents said they preferred jazz...
The broad appeal of rock and pop music can in part be attributed to how both genres often blend seamlessly into one another and influence other music styles. Heavy rock bands like Led Zeppelin and AC/DC are often more divisive than melodic rock groups like Bon Jovi or Genesis*, just like pop music which strays into R&B territory or is better associated with hip hop or EDM. Each have their appeal to fans with different tastes, and the versatility of rock and pop (and music which combines the two) allows such music to reach adults of all ages and backgrounds.
Rock albums also account for the majority of vinyl album sales in the United States, with pop albums ranking second. However, although the resurgence of vinyl has to a certain extent been reliant on the rock genre, this is not the case when it comes to digital music consumption. Rap and hip hop accounted for 22.8 percent of music video streams in the U.S. in 2018, whereas for rock music videos the share was just 7.1 percent. Rock fared similarly when it came to audio streams, once again losing out to rap and hip hop. Taking such data into consideration, it would seem that rock music fans are generally more drawn to traditional formats and are less inclined to enjoy their music via streaming platforms. |
* emphasis in bold my own.
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Posted By: A Bard
Date Posted: March 17 2020 at 10:53
I know a way prog can become popular. Handsome prog artist become very liked in prog and is pretty good at it. Then he makes pop album that is good. Do 2 more pop album. gains an army of 15 year old girls. makes a prog album. The girls don't like it and leave him. one fifth likes it and joins the prog community
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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: March 17 2020 at 11:34
I’m huge.
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: March 17 2020 at 11:38
^ I didn't see that one coming.
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Posted By: Cylli Kat (0fficial)
Date Posted: March 17 2020 at 11:45
It is at least <----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> that big!
Seriously, this would be a tough one to accurately give an answer to. There are quite a number of variables, there are some bands that are not listed here on Progarchives that some would consider as being "progressive". Some people may like prog and not even know that it would "technically" be considered prog music. etc., etc., etc.
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Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: March 17 2020 at 11:59
There are ten of us. But we all use multiple IDs on Prog Archives to try and make it look a bit bigger.
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Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: March 17 2020 at 12:07
Mascodagama wrote:
There are ten of us. But we all use multiple IDs on Prog Archives to try and make it look a bit bigger. |
Now that our secret is revealed...
Dude, can you manage Logan account for today? I'm quite busy to do moderation.
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Posted By: A Bard
Date Posted: March 17 2020 at 12:26
Mascodagama wrote:
There are ten of us. But we all use multiple IDs on Prog Archives to try and make it look a bit bigger. |
Man you guys have a a lot free time
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Posted By: LAM-SGC
Date Posted: March 17 2020 at 12:32
A couple of angles that might not have been mentioned yet.
1. Prog is not a single style of music.
2. And now for my main point, prog fans do not constitue a visible music based sub-culture, like goths, punks, skinheads, rave/techno, punkabilly, metalheads etc.
So at local gigs in my town, I am easily identified, and so are other goths, punks, metalheads and so on, as we all tend to go to each others gigs.
But even when we go to the proggy AOR type gigs, we are still easily identifiable as goths, metalheads etc, but the prog, AOR, classic rock fans are invisible because they are not a sub-culture.
So it is impossible to determine IRL.
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: March 17 2020 at 12:44
LAM-SGC wrote:
2. And now for my main point, prog fans do not
constitue a visible music based sub-culture, like goths, punks,
skinheads, rave/techno, punkabilly, metalheads etc.
So at local
gigs in my town, I am easily identified, and so are other goths, punks,
metalheads and so on, as we all tend to go to each others gigs.
But
even when we go to the proggy AOR type gigs, we are still easily
identifiable as goths, metalheads etc, but the prog, AOR, classic rock
fans are invisible because they are not a sub-culture.
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Good point. What does "the prog community" actually mean?Is there such a thing? OK, one can call regular participants here a community and those who regularly meet at certain concerts, festivals etc. But somebody who just likes to listen to prog (among some other things), maybe even somebody who is reasonably knowledgeable... does that make them a community member, would they count here?
By the way, I believe the latest tour(s) by King Crimson have been seen by quite a bit more than 100,000 people (the one in Verona alone that I saw last summer had 5,000-10,000 audience I think), it wasn't cheap, and KC are still uncompromising prog (and certainly not every prog fan has seen them recently, not even remotely close to 50% of them, I'd think). If all these count, we're looking at much bigger numbers than were mentioned here up to now.
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Posted By: LAM-SGC
Date Posted: March 17 2020 at 12:46
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: March 17 2020 at 12:46
Most prefer the term 'slightly overweight', as opposed to 'big'.
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: March 17 2020 at 13:05
Big enough so KC, Yes, Kansas, Tull, can play decent sized venues. Some newer prog bands can almost make a living of it. Others need day jobs to afford life.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 17 2020 at 13:12
Basically, this:
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Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: March 17 2020 at 14:37
So, if other genres can have huge followings because of certain aspects (the way they dress, certain lifestyles, etc.) then maybe Proggers could do the same.........According to the above picture - No real teeth maybe?
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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: March 17 2020 at 16:13
All of tbe prog musicians I have spoken to personally, which includes, Steve Wilson, IQ, Pallas, Peter Gabriel , Moriarty....have all been opposed to organised religion....and all the prog fans I know also come into this category....and the fans also love scifi, lord of the rings, Terry Pratchett and Douglas Adams....and a lot read science at university, esp chemistry and physics....bunch of geeks in reality...😎
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: March 17 2020 at 16:50
Ha ha. This is something I think about quite a bit. I suppose it depends on what you mean by community though. Are we talking just those who participate in forums, facebook groups and go to concerts and festivals? Do they have to know each other. Or are we just talking about fans in general. Anyway, here are my crazy estimates. I'm going by prog rock fans but those who are really into it and at least know about the newer bands even if they don't like all of them(BBT, TFK, etc).
US alone @ 50,000 fans (50-60,000) North America(including Canada, Mexico and central america) @ 120,000 Europe 150,000 Other parts of the world including non English speakers 200,000
These are rather conservative estimates but I seriously doubt there are 100,000 or more real prog fans in the US. Dream Theater barely sells that many of their weaker albums and they have hardcore fans who aren't even real prog fans. What I have done in the past is tried to find the sales of a prog album every one has owned and figured it out that way but that's obviously not very reliable. Take an album like close to the edge which reportedly(according to the RIAA) has sold 1 million albums in the US(as of 1998). Let's say 1/10 of those who bought it are real prog fans. That gives us 100,000. However, even that number seems a bit high. So I figure slice that number in half and that would give us the real figure(50,000). Not all prog fans are buying the same album but there must be some album that all or most prog fans own. Then again maybe not. CTTE or SEBTP or ITCOTCK probably come closest though. Unfortunately it's next to impossible to find updated sales figures for these albums since not enough people care. Even if I did though it still would not give us the number of prog fans because many people who own them are not necessarily hardcore prog fans.
So if we are talking the entire planet earth my estimation is about half a million prog fans. I definitely don't think there are one million though so maybe somewhere in between half and one million. I know not everyone on here ives in the US(maybe only 20 percent do)so I figured I would mention that. I could be very accurate or I could be way off but that's what I came up with.
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Posted By: zwordser
Date Posted: March 17 2020 at 17:21
Logan wrote:
Basically, this:
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Yeah, but half of those are the non-prog-fan girlfriends/wives that either got pressured, or came along just to be on a cruise..
BTW, CTTE, probably cancelled this year due to Coronavirus??
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 17 2020 at 17:36
Hi,
I think it is one of those things ... a silent number of people, just listen to the music and don't find the need to speak out about it.
It might also depend on the area ... PDX is horrible and almost no acts stop here ... but MAGMA sold out 2 shows and the French contingent was having a party! ... conversely RTF played Eugene, and never showed up in PDX ... and it had Chick Corea, Jean-Luc Ponty, Lenny White, Stanley Clarke and Frank Gambale ... and all you can say is ... you gotta be kidding me? And Eugene was sold out and deservedly so!
If you are in Seattle, LA and SF, I think that there is more of it, even if it is not as outspoken as we would like, but I think there is a wide respect all around.
The sad thing for me, is how the EAST can get KC and the WEST can't, which suggests that the audiences here are spread out way too much instead of the huge numbers of people concentrated in the Eastern places, which makes concerts attractive ... but a KC having issues in Seattle? I'm guessing that the facilities is more the problem than anything else ... !!! I can't speak for LA and SF, but seeing Sean Ahearn take a major bath in SF in 1999 is not only scary but also sad ... and on top of it a lot of the audience, then, was very disrespectful of other artists which is something I found ... kinda bad.
We see some of that here when folks are discussing their favorite Jethro Tull and if it is prog or prog-related or some other kind of prog.
For me, it is stuff like that which hurts what the music is all about ... and how it is seen ... all over ... specially when we need everyone to help make the events work ... instead we kill them!
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 17 2020 at 17:49
zwordser wrote:
Logan wrote:
Basically, this:
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Yeah, but half of those are the non-prog-fan girlfriends/wives that either got pressured, or came along just to be on a cruise..
BTW, CTTE, probably cancelled this year due to Coronavirus??
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True, or women, and some guys, boarding that Prog boat out cruisin' for love, hoping to hook up with the eligible Prog bachelors.
Prog, exciting and new, Come aboard, we're expecting you. Prog, life's sweetest reward, Let it flow, it floats back to you. The Prog boat, soon will be making another run. The Prog boat, promises something for everyone. Set a course for adventure, Your mind on a new romance. Prog won't hurt anymore... (not quite The Love Boat theme).
Sorry if that comes of as sexist, I know there are women who like Prog, I just don't know any women who like Prog outside of this forum. And perhaps some on the Prog Boat are grandfathers and grandmothers and some mothers and fathers acting as chaperones so their randy wards don't get into too much mischief on the Pork Boat.
And Cruise to the Edge has been at least postponed due to the virus. That looks like my idea of hell, but I'm sad for those who were looking forward to it.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: March 17 2020 at 18:17
Only about 2-300 show up annually(well, probably not this year)for Cruise to the Edge. However, there are about 20,000 likes on the CTTE facebook page so we know there are at least 20,000 prog fans. Lol. I don't know if that is mostly people who have gone or just those that like the idea of getting seasick to out of tune mellotrons in the background during sound check(or maybe both). Regardless it is a bit on the expensive side and I'm sure there are a lot of prog fans(myself included)who have not gone and have no intention of going(for whatever reason).
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: March 18 2020 at 01:46
Small niche of very concentrated, dedicated fans!
That's all that matters.
I'd say 250,000 max lol.
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Posted By: tamijo_II
Date Posted: March 18 2020 at 04:22
I think it is a lot larger than estimated here, alone
the King Crimson youtube has 145.00 followers, and being a huge KC lover I am
not one of those. Yes official has 134.000 followers. Tull 61.100.
Mars Volta 66.600 "the widow" have been
shown 6.5 mil. times.
Tool official has has 549.000 followers - Fear In...
(the track) has been shown 21.222.325 times.
It is all a matter of that you define as Prog
Community.
It you are looking for the once who know the name of
the drummer in 5uu's without checking we are talking about a very small number
of hardcore fans including friends and family, but if you are talking about people who regularly listen to
a band that is considered prog (by PA def.) it must be several million people.
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Posted By: tamijo_II
Date Posted: March 18 2020 at 04:32
moshkito: "The sad thing for me, is how the EAST can get KC and the WEST can't"
Sad for London
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 18 2020 at 04:47
I agree with you Jon. There are many many thousands of music fans that list bands like Sigur Ros, Pink Floyd, Swans, Radiohead, TMV, Tool, Neurosis and Current 93 as some of their favourite bands...yet if you ask them about ‘prog’ they end up with a confused look on their faces. They have no idea about the genre.
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Posted By: LAM-SGC
Date Posted: March 18 2020 at 05:21
Exactly Guldbamsen, because most people who listen to a wide range of rock are rock fans first, and just as in the 70s, they don't pigeonhole bands into unimportant genres.
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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: March 18 2020 at 07:40
I think it’s impossible to have an accurate picture, but I would say it’s quite small, compared to country, hip-hop, rap, etc. However, though small, it’s been there for quite a while, and it seems to be strong enough to continue to exist, small but steady.
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: March 18 2020 at 07:56
Mascodagama wrote:
There are ten of us. But we all use multiple IDs on Prog Archives to try and make it look a bit bigger. |
I have 237 different logins here and nobody's sussed me out yet.
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Posted By: tamijo_II
Date Posted: March 18 2020 at 08:34
Guldbamsen wrote:
I agree with you Jon. There are many many thousands of music fans that list bands like Sigur Ros, Pink Floyd, Swans, Radiohead, TMV, Tool, Neurosis and Current 93 as some of their favourite bands...yet if you ask them about ‘prog’ they end up with a confused look on their faces. They have no idea about the genre. |
LAM-SGC wrote:
Exactly Guldbamsen, because most people who listen to a wide range of rock are rock fans first, and just as in the 70s, they don't pigeonhole bands into unimportant genres. |
Maybe the question should have been how many like to talk about Prog, if you listen to music you don't need a box, it only if you like to talk about music (or write as we do) it become useful to put your music in categories.
Got a pal a huge Tull collector, got CD, Albums, Video whatever he could get his fingers on, also into Gentle Giant, Genesis, Yes, Tolonen, and all types of Classic Rock. Like lots of sh*t even more resent bands prog and not prog.
Never heard him say Prog one time in the 40+ years we listened together, he put on Tull or Stone Temple Pilots but he do not care what label i sometimes try to put on it. To him it Albums, Bands, Drummers ect. no more no less.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: March 18 2020 at 09:32
Manuel wrote:
I think it’s impossible to have an accurate picture, but I would say it’s quite small, compared to country, hip-hop, rap, etc. However, though small, it’s been there for quite a while, and it seems to be strong enough to continue to exist, small but steady. |
Compared to the larger world it's small but you could probably fill at least half a dozen football stadiums of prog fans and probably at least one if we are talking the US only. The thing though is that the internet makes it seem like it's much bigger than it actually is. We see all these people participating on online forums and facebook and we think to ourselves "wow, there really is a lot of us out there" but the reality is your average person is not a prog fan and in all likelihood has not even heard of the genre unless he or she is a really big music fan.
Another thing is I have been to many prog shows and festivals in the past. A band like echolyn or even spock's beard had about 60 to 100 people show up at their shows when I saw them(not together but separately at different shows but at the same venue)around 2003 or so(for both). Some people travelled a few hours and were from different states just to see them. Another time at this same venue(which holds about 325)I saw Peter Hammill who had about 80 people show up. Another time the band Knight Area played there with probably no more than 40 people. Yet another time District 97 played there with John Wetton. Maybe half were just there to see John Wetton and never even heard of D97. For the PH concert in particular some probably weren't even really prog fans and the same thing with maybe D97 where some were just KC fans who don't know about the prog genre. Anyway, typically at festivals it would depend on the headliners. Nearfest sold out a 1,000 seat venue every year but that's in part because they had well known bands(in the prog community at least). Progday in North Carolina(which I was personally involved with for a few years) never seemed to get more than 200 fans and to this day still probably doesn't. I'll admit that not all prog fans have been to or go to festivals but it does at least tell us that the prog scene is still pretty small over all(at least compared to more mainstream genres).
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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: March 18 2020 at 15:18
The number is relatively small compared to other musical genres such as mainstream rock or country. There is also a lot of crossover, as evidenced by a recent poll on how many of us were all Prog all the time. Very few us fit that description. But there are enough of us to facilitate the constant release of Prog and related albums, as we see on this site. Some of these are brand new artists, some well established, and some are old bands revitalized by a slew of new members. So, the exact number is elusive, but given the ease of recording and promoting by our digital technologies, there are still plenty of people, artists and listeners, who exist. Prog may not be mainstream, but we are a living tribe, nation if you will, throughout the entire world, and we are a diverse population.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 19 2020 at 08:14
Logan wrote:
... Sorry if that comes of as sexist, I know there are women who like Prog, I just don't know any women who like Prog outside of this forum. And perhaps some on the Prog Boat are grandfathers and grandmothers and some mothers and fathers acting as chaperones so their randy wards don't get into too much mischief on the Pork Boat. ... |
Hi,
The list of folks listening to Space Pirate Radio has several women in it ... and it is more like 15 to 20% ... and we know there are a bunch more folks listening that do not "register" to be acknowledged. It varies, and Space Pirate Radio in its old days in Santa Barbara had a lot of women listeners ... trust me ... a lot more than you or I thought weren't there!
I really think, and this may sound strange, that the top 5 is way to "male" oriented ... but if I look at the audiences for those bands, YES takes the cake ... these days it's all about the hip, cool, dressed up, made up, colored hair and clothes ... kinda of folks ... and they are dancing, too!
I'm not a great fan of the folks here that walk around with big erections, to let every one know they are the biggest and the baddest story and knowledge about "progressive music" and "prog" ... and their comments are .... usually without saying anything ... after all, you got something else in mind, no? I would prefer to look at the women, myself! These Peter Greenaway styled dances are fine and fun and weird, but not for me!
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Posted By: indiscipline200
Date Posted: March 20 2020 at 01:36
Not nearly enough.
But in my way of thinking, it's more important for folks to find bands/music that they like and not to concentrate so much on a genre's name (especially sub genres).
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: March 20 2020 at 04:13
A Bard wrote:
I started listening to prog rock in the summer of 2019. I little confused about how big is the community so can any one tell me how big the is the community. It can be an estimate or very accurate. Thanks |
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 20 2020 at 04:23
* Are they supposed to be standing in a sea of pee?
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: March 20 2020 at 05:06
Logan wrote:
* Are they supposed to be standing in a sea of pee? |
or custard?
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 20 2020 at 13:09
chopper wrote:
Logan wrote:
* Are they supposed to be standing in a sea of pee? |
or custard? |
That makes sense. They're standing in a primordial sea of protoprogzoan Yellow Matter Custard. It's a commentary on the evolution of the "Progo Erectus".
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Posted By: sebprosperi
Date Posted: June 24 2021 at 19:50
Great comments & info, thanks!. It would be awesome to know this, I am the leader of newcomer prog band "Bastian Per" and let me tell you, although we are still a young band it is very difficult to understand the prog market, and how to reach it. We do notice more affinity with older people thanks to pioneer bands like KC, Yes, Genesis, Tull, etc. (take another look at the average age on that CTTE picture posted before!) so I cant help thinking that this gold era got lost somewhere in the way and sadly, young peoples ears are now only capable of digesting simple chord progressions and auto-tune.
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Posted By: Sacro_Porgo
Date Posted: June 24 2021 at 20:59
Without reading through the whole thread that's probably full lots of great insights as well as wild speculations...
I'd say the prog community is larger than you would guess if you think it's small and smaller than you would guess if you think it's large. Almost certainly smaller than the metal community (with which there's probably a sizable overlap), but also not as niche as, say, the hyper pop community (which I'm sure is growing hourly). Prog is old and established enough, with attachments to enough important bands and records, that it's in no danger of being erased or forgotten by history. But it certainly hasn't been relevant in decades. In fact, some historians would probably like to argue it never was relevant, just a passing phase of rock and roll that was to quickly discover punk and new wave and their fountains of authenticity or something. Considering Progsphere and the Prog sub-publication of Loudersound are both doing pretty well for themselves sending me e-mails all the time, I'd say most decently well versed music fans (maybe rock fans would be more accurate, but I'm feeling optimistic) know about progressive rock.
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: June 24 2021 at 21:20
There are lots of prog lovers who wouldn't call themselves progheads. Everybody loves classic Yes, Pink Floyd and the popular bands. If you mean community by those who venture far beyond the expected bigwigs of the era then it probably is only in the thousands but some of us don't do Spotify or leave our tracks on such sites so there are probably more than anyone can realistically count.
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Posted By: Progishness
Date Posted: June 24 2021 at 22:53
I have never used Spotify or any other streaming services.
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: June 25 2021 at 09:29
Only myself and Roger Waters........
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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: June 25 2021 at 09:34
From what I've seen at the concerts I've attended, between 250 and 350 lbs.
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