The 1990s in and out of PA (see OP for details)
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Topic: The 1990s in and out of PA (see OP for details)
Posted By: Logan
Subject: The 1990s in and out of PA (see OP for details)
Date Posted: March 16 2020 at 15:18
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Here's a challenge, try to list two albums from the 1990s by one act that you like that is included in the ProgArchives database, and try to list two albums from the 1990s by one act outside of ProgArchives that you like. If that proves problematic, well, I'm not going to be fascistic with rules, and tangents are welcome. I'll choose Art Zoyd's Faust (1995) and Häxan (1997) as my two albums by one band in PA choices, and Stereolab's Emperor Tomato Ketchup (1996) and Dots and Loops (1997) as my out of PA choices. I'd be happy if this turns into a general discussion about 90s music. Over the past six months I found myself listening to quite a lot of 90s music that I probably wouldn't have paid much heed to in the 90s (thanks to Chris Morris' dark "Blue Jam" radio programme ). |
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: March 16 2020 at 15:25
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Marillion - Holidays in Eden & Brave Testament - Souls of Black & The Ritual
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Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: March 16 2020 at 15:56
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In the 90s -from 1991 and forward- I was a huge metal fan. The 90s is the best decade for progressive metal, yet I discovered most of its treasures in the 2000s and 2010s. Progarchived: Therion - Theli and Vovin Non-Progarchived: Bruce Dickinson - The Chemical Wedding and Accident of Birth. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: March 16 2020 at 16:00
Nice choices. Theli and Accident of Birth are great albums especially.
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Shadowyzard wrote:Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: March 16 2020 at 16:02
I'd choose those two too, among the four. 
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: March 16 2020 at 16:07
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Dream Theater - Images and Words & Scenes From a Memory Soundgarden - Badmotorfinger & Superunknown ------------- 
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Posted By: tamijo_II
Date Posted: March 16 2020 at 16:08
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Brian Eno: 1992 Nerve
Net 1994 Headcandy And then a so called pop-star to counter that: Sinéad O'Connor: 1990: I Do Not Want What I Haven't Got 1992: Am I Not Your Girl? ------------- Same person as this profile: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=22524" rel="nofollow - Tamijo |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: March 17 2020 at 01:33
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Inside PA:- NIGHTWISH: "Angels Fall First" (1997) and "Oceanborn" (1998) Inside PA:- DREAM THEATRE: "Images and Words" (1992) and "Metropolis Part 2: Scenes from a Memory" (1999) Inside PA:- THE ENID:- "Tripping the Light Fantastic" (1994) and "White Goddess" (1997) Outside PA:- ENYA: "Shepherd Moons" (1991) and "The Memory of Trees" (1995) Outside PA:- PREFAB SPROUT: "Jordan: The Comeback" (1990) and "Andromeda Heights" (1997) Outside PA:- MADONNA: "Erotica" (1992) and "Ray of Light" (1998)
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 17 2020 at 01:38
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Great idea for a thread Greg..and I have personally taken quite an interest in 90s music lately...though not because of the radio which I never listen to. PA: Cul de Sac - ECIM Cul de Sac - China Gate Outside: The Future Sound Of London - Lifeforms The Future Sound Of London - Dead Cities ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 17 2020 at 03:11
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It’s a little funny because I grew up in the 90s - remember being something like 10 when Metallica’s black album came out, which was one of the seminal releases of the decade. Everybody I knew bought that album alongside Pearl Jam’s Ten, Nirvana’s Nevermind, Rage Against The Machine’s s/t, Prodigy’s Fat Of The Land as well as the usual suspects from Oasis, Blur, Red Hot Chili Peppers as well as a big slab of Korn, Type O Negative, Tool and Napalm Death. BUT....all the music that really attracts me about this decade some 20 years down the line is the one found underneath the surface. Stuff I had no idea existed and most likely wasn’t prepared for at the time. Back then everything was VERY black n white with regards to music and I had no trouble in absolutely destroying folks with subpar tastes ie Aqua fans   Though I’m fairly certain that I would have gone completely berserk for Ozric Tentacles had I known about them in the 90s...which is why they’re my next PA pick: Ozric Tentacles - Waterfall Cities Ozric Tentacles - Erpland Outside: Ol’ Dirty b*****d - Return To The 36 Chambers Ol’ Dirty b*****d - Nigga Please Yup I just picked some hip hop...but I love ODB. The man was a genius...but sure one has got to hear past the overt gangsta gestures to get to the really juicy bits. I love the way he plays around with his voice..almost as if it’s a toy. Nigga Please extrapolates on this tenfold and also sees the beats taking on a more experimental character.------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 17 2020 at 03:32
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Spam alert! Yet another humdinger of pics from yours truly  PA: Disco Inferno - D. I. Go Pop Disco Inferno - Technicolour Outside: Autechre - Amber Autechre - Chiastic Slide I may have to restrict myself from posting electronic music but dammit man the 90s were the bee’s knees for that genre! ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: March 17 2020 at 06:36
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This was harder than I thought as I think I was was in the middle of my Noel Coward, Cab Calloway, Jimmy Smith, Kenny Burrell, Thelonious Monk, Dub detour/tangent in the 90s. Included on PA ELP Black Moon 1992 Townscream Nagyvárosi Ikonok 1997 Not Included on PA the Fall Extricate 1990 Black Grape It's Great When You're Straight 1995 ------------- 
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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: March 17 2020 at 07:52
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Not a bad challange to me specially outside PA. But I choose: Faust: Rien & Faust Wakes Nosferatu from PA and other P J Harvey: To Bring You My Love and Is This Desire (really would like to take Dance Hall at the Louse Point into other album by PJ, but because it´s collaboration album with John Parish, then those two). When Paul has put also other choises, here´s mine too: From PA Absoluuttinen Nollapiste: Muovi Antaa Periksi - Suljettu Yes: Talk - the Ladder Circle: Hissi - Pori Kingston Wall: s/t - II Pekka Pohjola: Sinfonia No.1 - Pewit Jukka Gustavson: Bluesion - Kadonnut Häviättömiin Thinking Fellers Union Local 282: Strangers From the Universe - I Hope It Lands Outside pa Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds: Henry´s Dream - Let Love In Tom Waits: Bone Machine - the Black Rider Nomeasno: 0 + 2 = 1 - Why Do the Call Me Mr. Happy Sonic Youth: Washing Machine - a Thousand Leaves Trumans Water: Apistogramma - Fragments Of Lucky Break Radiopuhelimet: Avaruus - Hiljaista! Dr. John: Television - Anutha Zone |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 18 2020 at 07:25
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Hi, Not sure I can do this right ... since I was heavy into TD and KS at the time, along with PH/VdGG ... since I was too busy and did not exactly have the ability to purchase a lot of things, and kept it down to the minimum, but I did keep up with some things like Marillion, and a few other things. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 18 2020 at 10:04
^ I don't remember liking a lot of 90s music in the 90s. I tend to be behind on music and discover it much later. I have a much bigger appreciation for a variety of 90s music now than I did then. I was a young man in the 90s, and a lot of the music I was exposed to was in night clubs.
I like The Future Sound Of London considerably. As for hip hop, plenty I like. Will look into that, and Cul de Sac. Ramble alert: I only listen to news and traffic radio, plus some music programs on the radio. "Blue Jam" was a Chris Morris 90s pretty disturbing, morbid, macabre, strange, taboo-breaking, very horrific at times, and very dark comedy, late night BBC radio program that mixed sketches, like mini radio plays, with music. They then did a TV version of it called Jam, I don't think a lot of what he did could be gotten away with or commissioned today, and some say only Chris Morris could have gotten away with it. Some favourite bits of mine involved a zombie child and a man who deliberately would injure himself to cause his wife to suffer, and she found herself, unbeknownst to him, enjoying his suffering. It's the psychology angle that interested me. I didn't catch Blue Jam on the radio here, I could not imagine it playing on the radio here, or anything like that being produced for our national broadcaster. CBC feels toothless; it tries to be so polite and nice. What satires have been made have generally felt like gentle parodies. Chris Morris is brilliant, I think (he angered Phil Collins through "conning" him into publicly endorsing an anti-paedophilia campaign called Nonce Sense -- "I'm Phil Collins and I'm talking NonceSense" for his Paedogeddan Special of the show Brass Eye -- he also got various other celebrities and politicians to endorse ridiculous things -- even had one politician raise an issue in the House of Commons). I guess it would be insensitive for Brass Eye to do a Corona Virus Special. I do listen to plenty of podcasts, and I listen to radio dramas and comedies through the BBC radio app (a favourrite radio dramedy of mine was Good Omens). Blue Jam has been made available at certain sites (such as internet archive). I could not imagine BBC radio re-airing it even late night, but I could be wrong, and I found an rss feed for it so I can listen on my podcast apps. I only discovered it this past year, and it has given me an appreciation for quite a lot of music that I wouldn't have listened to otherwise. It's one of the darkest comedy programs I've ever heard and is not something I would tend to recommend to people. In the 90s I did listen to radio in the car, but usually classic rock radio, plus sometimes French language radio (I liked their music more), and I liked late night university radio, which is where I first heard Henry Cow and all sorts of weird and wonderful=to-me music. I was always something of a purveyor of the strange, perhaps as I have often felt like stranger in a strange land, and I can relate to these The Doors lyrics. People are strange when you're a stranger Faces look ugly when you're alone Women seem wicked when you're unwanted Streets are uneven when you're down ("People are Strange" by The Doors). |
Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: March 18 2020 at 10:34
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King Crimson - "Thrak" (1995) and "The Great Deceiver" (1992) Alice in Chains - "Dirt" (1992) and "Jar of Flies" (1994) I'm a big fan of 90's music, especially the grunge movement, so I'm sure I'll come up with more. ------------- https://ibb.co/8x0xjR0" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: March 18 2020 at 10:49
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Here is a Tree theme: In PA: Porcupine Tree - "The Sky Moves Sideways" (1995) and "Coma Divine" (1997) Outside PA: Screaming Trees - "Dust" (1996) and "Sweet Oblivion" (1992) ------------- https://ibb.co/8x0xjR0" rel="nofollow"> |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: March 18 2020 at 11:18
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PA Mike Keneally - Hat and Sluggo! Non PA Jellyfish - Bellybutton and Spilt Milk |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: March 18 2020 at 11:53
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PA.... Bondage Fruit I and II Non-PA... Fishbone - Give a Monkey a Brain....and Chim Chim's Badass Revenge. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: March 18 2020 at 12:13
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I'll go with Spock's Beard - The Light & Beware of Darkness Sting - The Soul Cages & Ten Summoner's Tales ------------- We all dwell in an amber subdomain, amber subdomain, amber subdomain. My face IS a maserati |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 18 2020 at 13:33
Hi, The main reason why I never liked the comment about the death of progressive music, is because in the 70's, 80's and 90's I did not lose touch and kept on listening to new things AND I was there at the "beginning" and just about heard many of those things and had the albums! So by the time I hear TD with Jerome, in Seattle, it was ... something new, and there were a lot of far out pieces in that show (220 Volt Live) that a lot of folks did not like ... it was a master stroke for a band continuing on and not falling apart. Same for KS, and some of his work ... his "digital" stuff really took off and went nuts and I loved it ... the "progression" never died. There might have not been a "lot" of big names, but I could tell you that I was hearing Queensryche, and things like Dream Theater, which my roommate had in his own collection! So it's hard for me to relate to PA having it listed or not ... the subdivisions drive me nutz as it is!
------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: March 18 2020 at 13:50
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Being born in '94, the only good music I remember listening back in the day was Jamiroquai. Still today I only own a few dozen albums from the 90's and since Ozric Tentacles, Porcupine Tree and Spock's Beard were already mentioned I can't add more. I have to explore more from Mansun, I very much enjoy "Six". Outside PA, I heard a fair share of 90's Punk but I rarely listen to it these days. I think I'll go with Rage Against The Machine, I still enjoy the first two albums. I should probably mention Eric Clapton: Unplugged. It was the album that made me want to learn the guitar.
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Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: March 18 2020 at 14:45
Yes! Love Fishbone! ------------- https://ibb.co/8x0xjR0" rel="nofollow"> |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 18 2020 at 14:52
And I love Bondage fruit but what memorable experiences I've had with a fishbone have been of the painful stuck-in-my-throat variety. I think I've heard of the band, but then I could be mixing it up with Fish and the hard rock band Boned, or perhaps I'm thinking of Country Joe and the Fishbones. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 18 2020 at 14:59
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Par Lindh Project - Gothic Impressions and Mundus Incompertus Placebo - s/t and Without You I'm Nothing |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 18 2020 at 15:04
| ^ I didn't know of that Placebo. I have the albums of the 70s Belgian jazz-rock Placebo in my collection. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 18 2020 at 15:26
The debut is something of a classic indie rock album. The track Nancy Boy is probably their only well remembered track. I tend to have a 'thing' for 3 piece bands
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 18 2020 at 15:34
Checking it out, thanks. The first one to come up on youtube was "Nancy Boy", not surrisingly. The vocals are reminding me of a rather famous three piece band, The Shaggs! Just kidding... Geddy Lee with Rush. |
Posted By: Mirakaze
Date Posted: March 18 2020 at 17:10
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Mr. Bungle's Disco Volante is a massively multi-genre freak which was an excellent application of the prog mindset in the spirit of the time. Goldie's Timeless and DJ Shadow's Endtroducing are seminal electronica works that continue to be highly rewarding atmospheric journeys to this day.
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