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Topic: To Germans, English, Americans
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Subject: To Germans, English, Americans
Date Posted: March 12 2020 at 15:31
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Dear friends, Please stay home if you can! Don't go near people. The virus is transmitted at a distance of one meter, at least. Never talk face to face. Cover your nose and mouth, if you have sanitary masks put them on. Clean your hands every times you come back home. Don't wait for your government to do anything for you, so far it's acting irresponsible by not closing schools and every public place where people can gather. Lacking prevention, there could be a catastrophe. Each passing day produces new infected and then between one or two or three weeks new deaths in exponential order. Italy should be an alarm for everyone. At least now we've shut it down. I was hoping you would do it without waiting for our numbers. Instead, nothing. I know what I'm saying. I'm a biologist, and I predicted almost everything. Now I'm telling you to avoid any contact less than a meter and to clean your hands. Do it. A hug (virtual), Lorenzo ------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion. |
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: March 12 2020 at 15:44
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So how do you eat if you don't go to the store? How do you get medicine if needed (all medicine)? Kids no school? Who walks your dog? I agree it's bad. Doesn't help with all the media hype either. |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: March 12 2020 at 15:51
Thanks Lorenzo! Our schools have just been closed till the end of April, so I think good precautions are happening this week. Once contained and new cases slow down it will get better till then, agree stay home as much as possible. Cheers -------------   
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jamesbaldwin wrote:Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: March 12 2020 at 16:12
I live in Milano. In Milano, it is not easy now send food home, because of too many requests, so you have to go to supermarkets, and the important thing is to stay away. Then of course, in the pharmacy, and also leave the house, alone, without approaching the people, with the dog. I live in Milan, Lombardy, the region that alone concentrates 70% of the infected and dead in Italy. I'm in the worst part of the world today, as Wuhan was in China. Perhaps the other Italian regions will not have these numbers because in Italy we have closed everything for a few days, and many cities did not have to wait to have infected and dead before closing everything. We will See. But I see that in Germany and England they are waiting to close schools, and they do not ban gatherings. I see that in America there are more than a thousand infected but only 5000 have taken the test, which should be done to so many people, and without spending a dollar. So let me say these things to you. ------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion. |
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: March 12 2020 at 16:23
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STANFORD HOSPITAL BOARD INTERNAL MESSAGE: Read and understand The new Coronavirus may not show sign of infection for many days. How can one know if he/she is infected? By the time they have fever and/or cough and go to the hospital, the lung is usually 50% Fibrosis and it's too late. Taiwan experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every morning. Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If you complete it successfully without coughing, without discomfort, stiffness or tightness, etc., it proves there is no Fibrosis in the lungs, basically indicates no infection. In critical time, please self-check every morning in an environment with clean air. Serious excellent advice by Japanese doctors treating COVID-19 cases: Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat are moist, never dry. Take a few sips of water every 15 minutes at least. Why? Even if the virus gets into your mouth, drinking water or other liquids will wash them down through your throat and into the stomach. Once there, your stomach acid will kill all the virus. If you don't drink enough water more regularly, the virus can enter your windpipe and into the lungs. That's very dangerous. Please send and share this with family and friends. Take care everyone and may the world recover from this Coronavirus soon. IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT - CORONAVIRUS 1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold 2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny nose. 3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun. 4. If someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to the ground and is no longer airborne. 5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours - so if you come into contact with any metal surface - wash your hands as soon as you can with a bacterial soap. 6. On fabric it can survive for 6-12 hours. normal laundry detergent will kill it. 7. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink liquids with ice. 8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 minutes, but - a lot can happen during that time - you can rub your eyes, pick your nose unwittingly and so on. 9. You should also gargle as a prevention. A simple solution of salt in warm water will suffice. 10. Can't emphasis enough - drink plenty of water! THE SYMPTOMS 1. It will first infect the throat, so you'll have a sore throat lasting 3/4 days 2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the trachea and then the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days further. 3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing. 4. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You feel like you're drowning. It's imperative you then seek immediate attention. |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: March 12 2020 at 16:28
Possible to provide the link? -------------
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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: March 12 2020 at 16:41
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: March 12 2020 at 16:48
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Tanks -------------
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: March 12 2020 at 16:50
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Great info, thank you Tim. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: March 12 2020 at 16:57
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"None of these tips have anything to do with reality; it is dangerous misinformation. Stanford confirmed the message did not come from the university."
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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: March 12 2020 at 17:12
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Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: March 12 2020 at 17:15
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My step daughter's M.D. father is on the Bay Area emergency response task force. (He's also a Stanford doctor and staff member.) He told us last night that "This is the big one--the one we've all been waiting for. Half of all Americans will get COVID-19." Take it for what it's worth. ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: March 12 2020 at 17:28
No worries...here in Puyallup, I'm staying home! -------------
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: March 12 2020 at 17:43
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Thanks for the excellent info timothy leary. Heartbreaking to hear in Italy, hospitals/doctors refuse to treat old people who have symptoms of this virus.
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Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: March 12 2020 at 18:05
Well, not exactly. Doctors dont refuse to treat old people. The problem is that this virus creates in a great number of subjects pneumonia that may require intensive therapy that is artificial respiration. Each state has its own number of places in intensive therapy, it depends on public health places. In Italy, due to the increase in private health, public health has been partly dismantled, and so in the North are almost saturated intensive therapy places. For now doctors deny that for missing places in intensive therapy they do a selection based on age but in some cases it could be made. ------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion. |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: March 12 2020 at 19:08
No no no Again, this is a hoax, not a Stanford list. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: ForestFriend
Date Posted: March 12 2020 at 19:28
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: March 13 2020 at 04:01
Where did this list come from? Fox News?  ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: March 13 2020 at 04:12
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Jokes on you! I stay home all the time anyway! Be safe, peeps. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: March 13 2020 at 06:26
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Be safe Lorenzo. Your message needs to be heard by our leaders. Be safe Prog Archivers and take the necessary precautions to protect yourselves. This is my last day at work. I will be working from home starting next week. We're going to try and ride this one out and hope a vaccine arrives sooner than later. The U.S. may be 1-2 weeks behind Italy. Drastic actions need to be taken soon before our hospitals become overwhelmed. Everyone remember: SOCIAL DISTANCING ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: March 13 2020 at 08:02
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This one is largely in line with what Lorenzo is saying. I'm on a statisticians' mailing list where statisticians and some epidemiologists have discussed this, and it seems all are fine with it. The data is in line with what's published by official sources. Arguments seem to hold water. It's very long and statistical, but makes a lot of sense. https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca" rel="nofollow - https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca
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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: March 13 2020 at 08:15
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^That's a very informative article. Thanks for sharing it. ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: March 13 2020 at 10:41
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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: March 13 2020 at 10:44
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: March 13 2020 at 13:52
What we could use are those easy-use ventilators they send you home with after a hospital stay, so when you're lying down fluid doesn't start to form in the lungs. They're easy, it's just a canister with a hose connected & mouthpiece you use every so often to make sure the lungs are being worked. It ain't rocket science. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: March 13 2020 at 14:57
Yea don't get it either......This site is becoming such a PITA to discuss anything without it being about politics. Someone makes a legitimate mistake and gets no love.....Awesome support from PA members -------------
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Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: March 13 2020 at 19:13
 ------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion. |
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: March 14 2020 at 13:25
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I am shocked by Boris Johnson's speech that he wants to prepare the people to lose their loved ones, or grandparents, in the name of the economy, hoping that the hope of 'herd immunity' will be vented. As a biologist I say that the concept of herd immunity already makes no sense, let alone now what sense it may make towards a virus that we do not know, new, that has only recently arrived in Europe. Last night, the infectious chief of the Sacco hospital in Milan called the policy adopted by the British Government "criminal". ------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion. |