Stockhausen
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Topic: Stockhausen
Posted By: Foxprog
Subject: Stockhausen
Date Posted: February 05 2020 at 13:17
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What do you think about Karl-Heinz Stockhausen's music? Makes King Crimson and VDGG feel like kid's music. I suppose he was a big influencer for Pink Floyd and Lennon/McCartney. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nffOJXcJCDg
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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: February 05 2020 at 19:10
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I own quite a few Stockhausen albums, my favorite is "Opus 1970". ------------- Help the victims of the russian invasion: http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28523&PID=130446&title=various-ways-you-can-help-ukraine#130446 |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: February 06 2020 at 01:00
No, it really doesn't make anyone's music sound like kid's music. Somewhat ironically, I've always had a soft spot for Gesang der Jünglinge (which uses numerous sound recordings of just the one 12 year old Cologne choirboy Josef Protschka for its entire 13 minute and 14 second duration) So yeah, that really is kid's music. Kontakte ain't bad either, especially that section that sounds like a dyspeptic bumble bee coming into land
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Foxprog wrote:Posted By: Mirakaze
Date Posted: February 06 2020 at 01:05
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The oft-cited influence on the Beatles and space rock bands really only extends to production techniques and uses of electronic equipment; the actual music couldn't be more different from those bands. I find Stockhausen's oeuvre very fascinating although I'm often more intrigued by the theoretical and historical background of his work than the actual aural result. Hymnen is an undeniable masterpiece though. I own a 4-CD box set of it with a 200-page booklet that I bought from a website specifically dedicated to archiving the composer's work: And here's a really nice analysis of Gesang Der Jünglinge if you have the time: |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: February 06 2020 at 01:09
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^ Similar to Brian Eno, Varese, and John Cage, Stockhausen's music is often more interesting to read about than listen to. -------------
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: February 06 2020 at 02:20
The full title is "Gesang der Jünglinge im Feuerofen" meaning "Song of the Youths in the Furnace"; it refers to a martyr legend. It is my favourite too. A note about the recording technique: Each sung syllable was recorded separately, so there is no "sliding" of voice between them as would be if it was sung in real time. "Lo-bet den Herrn. Prei-set".
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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: February 06 2020 at 03:47
| I have listened only Gesang Der Jünglinge/Kontakte -album, but I like it really much! Many years I have planned to listen more, maybe I´ll do it this weekend... |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: February 06 2020 at 06:15
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I have always been attracted to Stockhausen and dig a lot of his music. Some faves have already been mentioned but I’ll add Hymnen as well. Stockhausen is actually a very good example of an artist that still to this day is a highly acquired taste. Yet his fingerprints are all over music history and he has furthermore sown more seeds than you can count. Hell we even have some of his students featured here on PA in Holger Czukay, Irmin Schmidt, Jean Michel Jarre as well as Jon Hassell...but it’s more of a feeling or approach to music rather than a specific style that Stockhausen seemed to pass on. With regards to PA and rock in general it lead to some very unique and per my tastes beautiful and strange musical avenues. With a pinch of The Floyd and The Softs and you effectively end up with ‘Krautrock’. Actually much like how Terry Riley managed to sow seeds of his own in Sweden (of all places!) whilst touring in the 60s. Riley’s slow and elegantly plodding electronics echoed some of the same ideas as what Stockhausen had been doing with his own electronic experimentations, and then as the seed sprang to life we effectively got International Harvester’s Sov Gott Rose-Marie, Arkimedes Badkar’s ll, Kebnekaise’s ll as well as a whole slew of albums I’ve always, mostly tongue-in-cheek, refered to as “Scandinavian Krautrock”. I haven’t listened to Stockhausen in a while though as his music is the kind I have to be in the mood for. This thread though spurs on an upcoming listen, that is for sure  ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: February 06 2020 at 06:29
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: February 06 2020 at 06:54
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Love him or loathe him (and I've always liked the guy's irreverent attitude) it seems unlikely his formidable artistic legacy will remain untarnished by his post 9-11 remarks in relation to the 7 opera cycle Licht stating that the attacks were 'the greatest work of art imaginable for the whole cosmos' The only person deserving of slaughter after that impromptu war crime against publicity was his publicist. Let's not succumb to the Law of Contagion here however as it's very important to separate the art from the artist (otherwise Wagner's magnificent oeuvre would be dismissed because of his rabid antisemitism, Eric Clapton's output would be undermined by his unapologetic racism and Donna Summer's unfettered homophobia would besmirch her otherwise 'pro love' mandate) -------------
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: February 06 2020 at 07:11
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Knife. In the hands of a raving lunatic quite a terrifying thing. Yet it’s often used in the hands of your mother/father/partner/friend chopping up onions and slicing beautiful bits of bacon. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: February 06 2020 at 08:05
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Stockhausen is the perfect ticket when i want to indulge in the perfect escapist integral serialism and musique concrete. My #1 pick (not that i've heard his vast wealth of musical scores) is KONTAKTE -------------  https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 06 2020 at 11:07
| I got into Stockhausen after his death in 2007 as there was a two hour radio program on his music and legacy which got me exploring his music more. I haven't listened to much of his music in some years. As already mentioned, he had big effect on various Krautrock/ Kosmische musicians(as did Pink Floyd) as well as many others including the Beatles, Pink Floyd (Rick Wright has acknowledged his influence), Miles Davis, Frank Zappa and others. His image appears as one of the people on the Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band album cover. |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: February 06 2020 at 18:32
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I’ve only listened to a little of his stuff, but Hymnen has been a frequent and favorite listen of mine for a long time. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |