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Topic: What do musicians hear through the earbuds?
Posted By: Gerinski
Subject: What do musicians hear through the earbuds?
Date Posted: January 20 2020 at 01:42
Nowadays most musicians playing live do so with earbuds. I wonder what do they hear exactly through them.

Is it just a monitor of the whole band sound coming from the mixing console? (same as the monitor speakers used for decades, placed in front of the musicians)
Is it just their own instrument?
Do they hear a click track for starting the songs? or perhaps a permanent click to keep a perfect tempo during the tracks?
Do they hear any comments from the sound engineer?






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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: January 20 2020 at 02:06
I always assumed the earplugs were worn as protection to prevent the musicians going deaf when they're standing in front of a huge bank of Marshall amps. Smile


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 20 2020 at 02:06
You mean earbuds/phones?   I occasionally used earplugs but that was to reduce noise damage to the ears.   As for what they hear I suppose it depends on the band, but I doubt many rock bands (do rock bands still exist?) use a click-track.   I'm guessing it's the monitor mix.




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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: January 20 2020 at 03:06
They’re effectively a combination of earplugs and iems aka in ear monitors. I believe Metallica paved the way back in the early 90s as a way of saving their hearing whilst still kicking arse live.

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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 20 2020 at 03:45
^ Cool



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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: January 20 2020 at 04:52
Yes, they're probably in-ear monitors. I know of bands that rehearse like this with everything routed through the PA and in-ear monitors, so no amps required.


Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: January 20 2020 at 06:41
Yes I meant earbuds, I edited the question.


Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: January 20 2020 at 06:52
In Ear Monitors are basically used to reduce the volume of the music that the musicians hear so that they can protect their hearing while performing live or in the studio. I don't know of any musicians that were active in the 70s or 80s that don't have some degree of hearing loss or annoying tinnitus. Above is an off the rack set with a wireless receiver. More expensive models have ear pieces that are molded to the musicians ears and are virtually sound proof.

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Posted By: Argo2112
Date Posted: January 20 2020 at 07:45
Generally they are getting a personalized mix of the music. For example the singer may want the vocals on top of the mix with the instruments more in the background. Drummer may want the bass more predominant than the guitar, etc..


Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: January 20 2020 at 07:51
Originally posted by Argo2112 Argo2112 wrote:

Generally they are getting a personalized mix of the music. For example the singer may want the vocals on top of the mix with the instruments more in the background. Drummer may want the bass more predominant than the guitar, etc..
 
Personally I like a mix with the singer completely removed. Wink. But that might just be because of our singer.


Posted By: Argo2112
Date Posted: January 20 2020 at 08:38
^ Yea, I hear ya. LOL


Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: January 20 2020 at 09:06
As Argo states, what they hear in the in ear monitors is their choosing. I've read where some hear the whole mix just at a very low level, the vocalist clearly does not want to hear himself or they struggle with timing, the slight delay would cause havoc.
I remember last time I saw Transatlantic, Pete lost his monitors about 30min into the show, so he simply played based on feel with Portnoy, he did not move much away from Portnoy's kit area. Today not having the huge monitors on stage the band does not hear the mix well, I suspect on stage today it sounds like one big wall of muffled sound without in ear monitors.


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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: January 20 2020 at 09:18
Bass players want to hear drums and drummers want to hear bass.
Singers just want to hear themselves! LOL


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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: January 20 2020 at 09:31
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Bass players want to hear drums and drummers want to hear bass.
Singers just want to hear themselves! LOL
 
so true.LOL


Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: January 20 2020 at 13:25
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Bass players want to hear drums and drummers want to hear bass.
Singers just want to hear themselves! LOL

Singers are like baseball pitchers...........Prima Donna's!! 


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Posted By: hugo1995
Date Posted: January 20 2020 at 18:04
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

As Argo states, what they hear in the in ear monitors is their choosing. I've read where some hear the whole mix just at a very low level, the vocalist clearly does not want to hear himself or they struggle with timing, the slight delay would cause havoc.
I remember last time I saw Transatlantic, Pete lost his monitors about 30min into the show, so he simply played based on feel with Portnoy, he did not move much away from Portnoy's kit area. Today not having the huge monitors on stage the band does not hear the mix well, I suspect on stage today it sounds like one big wall of muffled sound without in ear monitors.

Question... what is a monitor?


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Posted By: hugo1995
Date Posted: January 20 2020 at 18:05
Also, great question OP

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Posted By: ForestFriend
Date Posted: January 20 2020 at 20:02
Originally posted by hugo1995 hugo1995 wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

As Argo states, what they hear in the in ear monitors is their choosing. I've read where some hear the whole mix just at a very low level, the vocalist clearly does not want to hear himself or they struggle with timing, the slight delay would cause havoc.
I remember last time I saw Transatlantic, Pete lost his monitors about 30min into the show, so he simply played based on feel with Portnoy, he did not move much away from Portnoy's kit area. Today not having the huge monitors on stage the band does not hear the mix well, I suspect on stage today it sounds like one big wall of muffled sound without in ear monitors.

Question... what is a monitor?


A monitor in this context is just a speaker - the term is typically used for live performance for a speaker pointed at a musician (usually a wedge on the ground in front of them), or as mentioned, wireless earbuds. It's mixed so the musician can hear (or "monitor") themselves well and any other musicians they need to hear, as opposed to being mixed so the audience gets a good balance of all the musicians.

Sometimes the term is used for speakers used in a music studio for recording/production purposes, generally higher quality speakers that reproduce the music as accurately as possible.


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Posted By: ForestFriend
Date Posted: January 20 2020 at 20:20
Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Do they hear a click track for starting the songs? or perhaps a permanent click to keep a perfect tempo during the tracks?
Do they hear any comments from the sound engineer?


I'm sure it depends on the band, but nowadays more and more bands are using backing tracks, so they'd need a click to line up with it properly. In some bands I've played with, just the drummer would listen to the click and the band would follow him/her - although I've found that gets annoying in sections where the drums would ideally stop, but you get this perpetual hi-hat click to keep everyone else in time. Drummers tend to love click tracks, other musicians not so much. I know in Dream Theater, Portnoy used to have a silent cowbell that only the band could hear to count them in.

I don't know if the sound engineer really needs to make comments to a pro band - maybe they'd scold amateurs if they turn up their instruments too loud or do stupid things with the mic that cause feedback. Of course, the sound engineer would communicate during soundcheck!


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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: January 21 2020 at 08:26
Originally posted by ForestFriend ForestFriend wrote:

Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Do they hear a click track for starting the songs? or perhaps a permanent click to keep a perfect tempo during the tracks?
Do they hear any comments from the sound engineer?


I'm sure it depends on the band, but nowadays more and more bands are using backing tracks, so they'd need a click to line up with it properly. In some bands I've played with, just the drummer would listen to the click and the band would follow him/her - although I've found that gets annoying in sections where the drums would ideally stop, but you get this perpetual hi-hat click to keep everyone else in time. Drummers tend to love click tracks, other musicians not so much. I know in Dream Theater, Portnoy used to have a silent cowbell that only the band could hear to count them in.

I don't know if the sound engineer really needs to make comments to a pro band - maybe they'd scold amateurs if they turn up their instruments too loud or do stupid things with the mic that cause feedback. Of course, the sound engineer would communicate during soundcheck!
This sound engineer made many comments to pro bands like "you just switched your mic off". "Again!" LOL

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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: January 21 2020 at 09:05
Originally posted by ForestFriend ForestFriend wrote:

Originally posted by hugo1995 hugo1995 wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

As Argo states, what they hear in the in ear monitors is their choosing. I've read where some hear the whole mix just at a very low level, the vocalist clearly does not want to hear himself or they struggle with timing, the slight delay would cause havoc.
I remember last time I saw Transatlantic, Pete lost his monitors about 30min into the show, so he simply played based on feel with Portnoy, he did not move much away from Portnoy's kit area. Today not having the huge monitors on stage the band does not hear the mix well, I suspect on stage today it sounds like one big wall of muffled sound without in ear monitors.

Question... what is a monitor?


A monitor in this context is just a speaker - the term is typically used for live performance for a speaker pointed at a musician (usually a wedge on the ground in front of them), or as mentioned, wireless earbuds. It's mixed so the musician can hear (or "monitor") themselves well and any other musicians they need to hear, as opposed to being mixed so the audience gets a good balance of all the musicians.

Sometimes the term is used for speakers used in a music studio for recording/production purposes, generally higher quality speakers that reproduce the music as accurately as possible.

Spot on........also on tape decks with multi-heads there is a Monitor button usually marked Tape or Source, where you can hear what you are recording to tape and hear any adjustments you might make like volume, balance, mix, bias so on. So if the tape is going L to R it first passes over the REC head then passes over a PLAY head, the delay is very minimal, but allows you to "monitor" the recorded sound, rather than wait till you are done and then playback the whole thing and hear the results.


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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: January 22 2020 at 04:47
Here's a pic of a "monitor engineer" from a large Midnight Oil concert in Australia in 2017. His only job is mixing the monitors for each band member and supporting players. A "front of house" engineer mixes the concert sound for the audience with a console more complicated than this one shown here!

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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: January 22 2020 at 06:43
Thanks to all for the inputs!



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