The Joker or Lex Luthor
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Topic: The Joker or Lex Luthor
Posted By: Icarium
Subject: The Joker or Lex Luthor
Date Posted: August 17 2019 at 04:13
There have been Batman vs Superman polls before but none about their main enemys. Their nr first villain. Their main nemesises. Two enigmatic character whom in different ways fights their Superheroic counterpart with all means messeserry. The cold, intellect and caluculative Machiavellian approach by Lex Luthor, who battles a nigh-invulerable Superman with the only way possible with incredible intellegance sn psycoparhic means
Ot the Joker the mad, Psychotic and chaos incarnate villain of the dark knight.
whos your favourite villain.
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: August 17 2019 at 04:20
An other memorable villain is Vandal Savage and Deathstroke
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Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: August 17 2019 at 05:13
The Joker is probably one of the greatest villains of all time so my vote goes to him.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: August 17 2019 at 08:00
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Hi,
Was never into comic books ... besides the fact that in Brazil we couldn't afford them, and a loaf of bread was more important than a "geebee" as we called it down there!
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Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: August 18 2019 at 10:52
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Lex Luthor, as played by Gene Hackman. The Joker, as played by Jack Nicholson. All the rest can take a number.
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: August 18 2019 at 12:25
I like that guy that portraid Lex in the tv series Smallville, he was looking the part and grew very much into hes role.
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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: August 20 2019 at 18:17
The Joker, of course.
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: August 20 2019 at 18:25
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: August 20 2019 at 20:08
TJ
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: August 21 2019 at 10:15
 dwill123 wrote:
Lex Luthor, as played by Gene Hackman. The Joker, as played by Jack Nicholson. All the rest can take a number. |
As a lifelong fan, I found Jack's Joker was a riff on Cesar's, while Heath's Joker raised the bar much higher and didn't owe his origin to the Golden Age Joker.
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: August 21 2019 at 10:21
Icarium wrote:
An other memorable villain is Vandal Savage and Deathstroke |
Great villains, indeed, along with Ra's al Ghul, Bane, Scarecrow, Hush and an obscure one called the Wraith.
Batman has the greatest rogues' gallery of any character.
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Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: August 21 2019 at 16:28
verslibre wrote:
As a lifelong fan, I found Jack's Joker was a riff on Cesar's, while Heath's Joker raised the bar much higher and didn't owe his origin to the Golden Age Joker. |
Heath's Joker did very little for me. I know I'm in the minority on this one but I thought his acting looked and felt too staged and over done. Example - that excessive lip licking. Too much imo. I'm not giving Jack a pass on his portrayal, I just thought his 'maniac' was little more real. A little more believable.
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: August 21 2019 at 23:35
^I feel the same way. Jack was a better Joker all-around and imho truer to the comic books...then again the Burton flicks were like that (also voted for the Joker in this poll btw).
The fact that Heath died shortly after the film effectively conjured up a ‘James Dean-like’ wave of appreciation. He was good too...just not Jack Nicholson good imo.
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: August 22 2019 at 10:04
verslibre wrote:
Icarium wrote:
An other memorable villain is Vandal Savage and Deathstroke |
Great villains, indeed, along with Ra's al Ghul, Bane, Scarecrow, Hush and an obscure one called the Wraith.
Batman has the greatest rogues' gallery of any character. |
General Zod is also quite an intimdating villain. And Some other Superman villains are interesting on a philosphical and badassery level, like Brainiac and Bisarro
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: August 22 2019 at 12:41
Icarium wrote:
verslibre wrote:
Icarium wrote:
An other memorable villain is Vandal Savage and Deathstroke |
Great villains, indeed, along with Ra's al Ghul, Bane, Scarecrow, Hush and an obscure one called the Wraith.
Batman has the greatest rogues' gallery of any character. |
General Zod is also quite an intimdating villain. And Some other Superman villains are interesting on a philosphical and badassery level, like Brainiac and Bisarro |
I concur; Zod, Brainiac, Bizarro, Metallo, Parasite, Mongul, Doomsday — classic Supervillains.
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: August 22 2019 at 12:46
Guldbamsen wrote:
^I feel the same way. Jack was a better Joker all-around and imho truer to the comic books...then again the Burton flicks were like that (also voted for the Joker in this poll btw).
The fact that Heath died shortly after the film effectively conjured up a ‘James Dean-like’ wave of appreciation. He was good too...just not Jack Nicholson good imo. |
If you want to stick to the Golden/Silver Age, Cesar Romero's Joker > Jack's. The latter was emulating the former.
Jack did fine, but he wasn't really into the role. He did it for the money. He'd arrive for his take with commentary gold like "Another day...another fifty grand!"
But it was time for an update, and Heath delivered. The lip-licking facet just made him more freaky, as did the self-inflicted scars.
In DC's recent New 52 reboot (since retconned by Rebirth), Joker had a completely peeled face that he wore like a mask.
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Posted By: Odvin Draoi
Date Posted: August 22 2019 at 13:23
Tim Burton's first Batman was the first movie I watched at the cinema.
I was possibly the smallest person -9 years old probably- in the cinema, and I was sitting in the very front row (as I didn't know it is better to be in the near middle).
Oh boy, how scared I was. The movie theatre was a dark, decorated, antique and huge building with a very tall ceiling. It added to the freaky atmosphere. [Even its name is Efes Sineması (Ephesus Movie Theatre).]
So Jack Nicholson's "The Joker" was an appalling trauma for me. He was in my nightmares possibly everyday for a year.
As a fan of Skeletor of MOTU, such obscene psychopathy and evil was too much for me then.
Never been thrilled by Heath's "The Joker". It was convincing and all, yet a typical outcast psychopath.
Nicholson's Batman was like non-human. Even the last scene was suspicious. It was "The Joker" right? Something supernatural could have happened.
Also as a villain sympathizer, that "The Joker" is probably the only villain towards whom I felt sheer antipathy.
Michael Keaton was my hero, as you can guess. 
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: August 22 2019 at 14:20
verslibre wrote:
Guldbamsen wrote:
^I feel the same way. Jack was a better Joker all-around and imho truer to the comic books...then again the Burton flicks were like that (also voted for the Joker in this poll btw).
The fact that Heath died shortly after the film effectively conjured up a ‘James Dean-like’ wave of appreciation. He was good too...just not Jack Nicholson good imo. |
If you want to stick to the Golden/Silver Age, Cesar Romero's Joker > Jack's. The latter was emulating the former.
Jack did fine, but he wasn't really into the role. He did it for the money. He'd arrive for his take with commentary gold like "Another day...another fifty grand!"
But it was time for an update, and Heath delivered. The lip-licking facet just made him more freaky, as did the self-inflicted scars.
In DC's recent New 52 reboot (since retconned by Rebirth), Joker had a completely peeled face that he wore like a mask. |
I know (most of) this and still prefer Jack 
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: August 22 2019 at 14:32
It's all good. I like having options. I'm looking forward to seeing Matt Reeves' Batman film. I hope we see villains who have yet to appear on the silver screen.
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: August 22 2019 at 15:21
verslibre wrote:
Icarium wrote:
verslibre wrote:
Icarium wrote:
An other memorable villain is Vandal Savage and Deathstroke |
Great villains, indeed, along with Ra's al Ghul, Bane, Scarecrow, Hush and an obscure one called the Wraith.
Batman has the greatest rogues' gallery of any character. |
General Zod is also quite an intimdating villain. And Some other Superman villains are interesting on a philosphical and badassery level, like Brainiac and Bisarro |
I concur; Zod, Brainiac, Bizarro, Metallo, Parasite, Mongul, Doomsday — classic Supervillains. |
and Darkseid. I am biassed cause i love thd Fourth World saga and anything New Gods related and does not nessecarily need Superman as opposing Darkseid, Orion is as interesting IMO if done right, Mf Miracle is one of the best designed superheroes out there. And in Darkseid one get an awesome, versitile villian whom is complex yet can work well as a team buster villain
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: August 22 2019 at 18:40
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I love Kirby's Fourth World mythos (New Gods, Orion, Forever People, Mister Miracle). His visuals are unlike any other artist's.
And as we know, Marvel commissioned Jim Starlin to create their own version of Darkseid, a not-so-subtle knockoff dubbed Thanos.
I hope the New Gods movie won't disappoint. IMO, Marvel's filmic Infinity Gauntlet sustained an underwhelming conclusion.
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: August 23 2019 at 09:02
verslibre wrote:
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But as a funfact Thanos is originaly based on the time traveling eccentric moraly ambivilant Metron yet later perhaps adopts more Darkswid phyciology
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: August 23 2019 at 11:33
Icarium wrote:
But as a funfact Thanos is originaly based on the time traveling eccentric moraly ambivilant Metron yet later perhaps adopts more Darkswid phyciology |
Marvel wanted a Darkseid-like Big Bad. Thanos was the result.
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Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: August 24 2019 at 19:17
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I've enjoyed many of the Joker performances over the years--beginning, of course, with Cesar Romero's. I do believe Heath Ledger took it to a different level--revised it, re-invented it, made it something new and different. That performance was, to be sure, haunting and, I believe, iconic.
The Lex Luthor list of castings is, for me, less clear. Gene Hackman is the one that I remember the most. I would, however, put in a nod for the unforgettable General Zod by Michael Shannon. That was a performance to remember!
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: August 25 2019 at 10:54
BrufordFreak wrote:
I would, however, put in a nod for the unforgettable General Zod by Michael Shannon. That was a performance to remember! |
Yes, it/he was. Stamp's Zod was fun for the time, but today he comes off a bit cheesy. Shannon really sold Zod as a genuine threat. He's one of my favorite actors, too. Check him out in The Shape of Water and Nocturnal Animals.
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: September 11 2019 at 23:45
Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: July 15 2020 at 13:28
The Joker
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