Drugs
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Topic: Drugs
Posted By: TheBarbarian
Subject: Drugs
Date Posted: September 18 2005 at 20:26
| Let me be blunt... Who on here uses drugs, esp in the relation to listening to prog? I know it is often said that the genre is a haven for those who are stoned/tripping etc. and I also know that the music is pretty damn good whether your on em or not, but nonetheless, does anyone here recreationally use the things? |
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Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: September 18 2005 at 20:30
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You should have posted this in the discussions not related to music
area. I think that there are already similar threads there
too. I could be wrong though,
------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: TheBarbarian
Date Posted: September 18 2005 at 20:32
| Fair play, I'm ahppy to see it moved if that's the case, I'm sorry I was trying to relate to prog to a degree, I suppose I kinda meant that does anybody on here take drugs with the purpose of making the music more... alive (I don't really know what word to use!!) |
Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: September 18 2005 at 20:35
Ok I understand, sorry if I offended you or something. ------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
TheBarbarian wrote:Posted By: TheBarbarian
Date Posted: September 18 2005 at 20:39
| Nah its cool, didn't mean to sound touchy or anything, to be honest I was struggling to get what I meant first time round myself!! |
Posted By: ulver982
Date Posted: September 18 2005 at 21:43
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I don't do drugs and I listen to prog. ------------- Improvement makes straight roads, but the crooked roads without improvement, are roads of genius. Silence is the music of the future. |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: September 18 2005 at 21:51
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Prog= Drugs=(not) ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: September 18 2005 at 21:58
... ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: September 18 2005 at 22:04
------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: con safo
Date Posted: September 18 2005 at 22:04
I'm a regular weed user, practically every day. It's my way of life and
frankly its something to do in this sh*t town i live in.. I dont
associate it with prog, but it certainly makes the experience more
interesting.. As for people who choose not to use it, its all up to you. It's your body and ultimately you choose what you put in it. I choose to smoke pot daily, and thats my choice. One thing that annoys me to no end is people who try to put you down or make you feel like a lesser person because you smoke pot, because its simply not true. Some of the coolest people ive ever met are potheads. ------------- 
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Posted By: Violenza
Date Posted: September 18 2005 at 22:06
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I've never done drugs, nor do I feel a need to try them. My mind's demented enough as it is. Most non-prog people I meet think I'm a pot head though; with my long hair and my collection of very interesting music. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Violenza/?chartstyle=tree"> 
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: September 18 2005 at 22:13
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I have never done hard drugs and I don't drink,but used to smoke ALOT of bud till I was about 25.Then my first child was born and I stopped and have never really looked back. -------------  |
Posted By: Harry Hood
Date Posted: September 18 2005 at 22:19
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People usually associate jams bands with drugs. My favorite band is Phish, and I've never done drugs. Frank Zappa never did drugs, and he made some of the craziest music ever. ------------- 
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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: September 18 2005 at 22:25
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I dont do drugs, but I am often mistaken for a stoner due to my pink floyd t-sh*ts (see other posts for the whole story...) I do have stoner friends, though, and I like to give them suggestions of what to listen to, as of course I have a far superior taste in music  . ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: September 18 2005 at 22:28
Besides, I'm already messed up. Why further it? |
Posted By: lunaticviolist
Date Posted: September 18 2005 at 22:29
Yeah, no one in Jethro Tull took drugs either. I have never taken drugs and never will. ------------- My recent purchases: 
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Posted By: gok22us
Date Posted: September 18 2005 at 23:41
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Moderation is key. I however have never used any drugs. I don't really plan on it either, but i DO want to TRY acid before i die. I'll be a 70 year old man, taking my first hit of acid, and i'll imagine that my rocking chair is trying to eat me. whoa. |
Posted By: Syntharachnid
Date Posted: September 18 2005 at 23:49
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Posted By: cluckie
Date Posted: September 19 2005 at 00:50
ive experimented in alot of stuff but when i was younger. may dabble with some exceptions.im scottish and to eat magic mushrooms back home as far as i know is legal untill you prepare them in some way but even in they days and even still now i think the easiest and trippy way i listen to prog is when im sleepy and dozing in that semi concious way when what you're listening to really effects your head 
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Posted By: ian_b
Date Posted: September 19 2005 at 01:26
well for me its prog = drugs= prog + drugs = |
Posted By: ian_b
Date Posted: September 19 2005 at 01:31
| btw probably my funnest experiece was mushrooms and ill probably do that again. and i agree i would love to try acid at least once. i want to know its ok though first maybe someone can tell me about an acid experience. |
Posted By: robertplantowns
Date Posted: September 19 2005 at 01:31
| Drugs are not necessary to enjoy prog, only to enhance it! Just kidding, I don't do any drugs I just drink and I feel it detracts from the music, although other drugs ie shrooms, weed only enhances it. I think that to be a discriminating music listener, one can't be under the influence of drugs because they take away your discrimination in music and anything has the potential of sounding really good. If you concentrate your musical listening skills and open your mind to music, drugs are completely unnecessary, and only make it harder to appreciate music using the normal part of your brain. If you need drugs to enhance music, then you are basically lazy or aren't trained enough to make the music interesting using your normal brain. Also if you always listen to music while under the influence, it will make music more dull to you when you're sober, but if you train yourself to appreciate it when you're sober it will make it all the more interesting when you are under the influence. :) If you ask me, drugs ruin music because they make you rely on them to have music be interesting, and one doesn't need them to enjoy prog because the music speaks for itself! |
Posted By: ian_b
Date Posted: September 19 2005 at 01:34
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i agree. |
Posted By: Nipsey88
Date Posted: September 19 2005 at 02:00
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I don't touch any drugs other than the occasional joint, and most of
the time I listen to music stone cold sober and enjoy it to pieces. But
I gotta tell ya, listening to your favorite music with a tasty buzz is
100% enjoyable. Now I definitely do not advocate drug use, or rely on
it in any way for musical enjoyment, but its true that the slight
psychedelic efffect that marijuana has makes listening pretty interesting. Now, excuse me while I kiss the sky... 
------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Nipsey88/?chartstyle=myspace02" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: the icon of sin
Date Posted: September 19 2005 at 02:50
How true, and he's an example to us all! |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: September 19 2005 at 03:06
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My days of intoxicating myself are well behind me. Prog rock does sound great when you're off your trolley, but to be frank so does most music... ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Starette
Date Posted: September 19 2005 at 03:10
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I took weed a couple of times with my ex-boyfriend. It didn't do ANYTHING for me. Made me depressed the next day but that was it. Ho-hum pretty much. Drinking is what I occassionally do. OCCASSIONALLLY= RARELY!!! I'm crazy enough as it is. I know a few people who have taken lsd. To be honest, the very idea scares me. I don't want to see the veins in your head!!! Gah! Speaking of drinking and music.... To add insult to aggravation, this pianist looks almost exactly like a typical Ian Anderson. ------------- 50 tonne angel falls to the earth... |
(I reallly shouldn't be to hard on him, he's really a sweetie. Just not very intelligent.)Posted By: ian_b
Date Posted: September 19 2005 at 03:11
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so true, i think i enjoyed listening to hiphop on shrooms (this was a reply to two posts up.) |
Posted By: Musak
Date Posted: September 19 2005 at 03:44
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Prog is a drug (the greatest, actually...) ------------- * My eyes are full but my face is empty * |
Posted By: Bob Greece
Date Posted: September 19 2005 at 05:46
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The great thing about music is that it makes you feel good and it doesn't damage your health. Unfortunately, the same is not true for drugs. I love beer but I try not to overdo it. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/BobGreece/?chartstyle=basicrt10"> 
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Posted By: fender101
Date Posted: September 19 2005 at 06:34
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Well I have to say I am a recreational user. I suppose its all to do with who you are. I'm in a band and we all love to get completly toasted and then jam for a few hours eat pizza and then sit down for 4 or 5 hours and space out to whatever we want to listen to. I personally think its the best sh*t in the world. However I'm only 18 and i can understand not doing it after say 25 or so. ------------- Well McGarnical Billy is dead! They slit his throat from ear to ear! |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: September 19 2005 at 15:04
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: September 19 2005 at 16:37
Ditto entirely! Edit: Well... not quite. I mean, I've TRIED some drugs. Not been all that impressed though, and my mind's CERTAINLY demented enough as is!  |
Posted By: BitchBrew
Date Posted: September 19 2005 at 16:57
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I did smoke some hasch before, but I developed panick-syndrom from it
so I have stopped. Sometimes I use stuff like Valium, sometimes
combined with alcohol. I have also experimented whith salvia
divinorium, that drug is weird!!! Buth, further then that, no I don't use any drugs. |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 01:52
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Valium + alcohol is not that healthy!
And yes, Salvia is weird, especially the concentrated extracts! |
Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 03:48
Drugs =      Cigarrets = Alkohol =      Prog =
------------- http://www.lastfm.pl/user/tomash33 - Last.fm |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 05:32
...Alcohol's a drug, you know? |
Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 06:20
No, marihuana, cocaine and stuff like that are drugs, but not alkohol. A beer once in a while doesn`t hurt anyone and it doesn`t make you mindless. ------------- http://www.lastfm.pl/user/tomash33 - Last.fm |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 06:24
Alcohol is a chemical that affects the workings of the brain - you said yourself, it makes you "mindless". It is OFFICIALY a dictionary-definition example of a drug. It just happens to be legal. |
Posted By: barbs
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 06:48
This is a very intelligent response to the topic IMO. ------------- Eternity |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 08:34
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to all those who said they don't use drugs: I don't believe you, unless
you are Mormones. no coffee? no tea? no cocoa? no cigarettes? no
alcohol? these are all drugs by the medical definition of the word
-------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 08:44
Alcoho is classified as a hard drug by the prohitive government itself while MJ is considered a soft one (sweet paradox). Alcohol affects central nervous system (among others)while MJ doesn't. |
Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 08:44
True, but the common meaning of the word "drugs" means narcotics - you can be addicted to tea, coffe or even alkohol and yet live a normal life. Being addicted to drugs (narcotics)makes your life miserable - you live only to get more and stronger drugs no matter the cost. But anyway any addiction isn`t good. ------------- http://www.lastfm.pl/user/tomash33 - Last.fm |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 09:03
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Yes, but some people had their life /health ruined by sugar, cigarettes, various kinds of legal "pills" -anti depressant, anxyolitics, tec...- which are very dangerous IMO.
Drugs mean nothing except addiction. And you can be addicted to TV, sex, game, money, work, computer... |
Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 09:08
 Alkohol a hard drug? No one thought of that in Poland... and thank god!------------- http://www.lastfm.pl/user/tomash33 - Last.fm |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 09:09
Some "narcotics" aren't addictive either. I am not propagating drugs here, but there is a big difference between what certain states declare "legal" and "illegal" and what actually is harmful. Alcohol is probably the drug that causes the most problems, yet this drug is legal almost everywhere. Most car accidents with lethal results happen under the influence of alcohol. As to living to use more and stronger drugs when using other drugs: Not true. I know a lot of people who smoke dope on a quite regular basis, some of them taking the occasional trip from time to time, but they are perfect members of society. Again, I don't want this to be misunderstood as propagating drugs, I just want to correct a certain misapprehension of drug users. -------------  BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 09:09
Or Prog Archives forum I know what you mean and I agree ------------- http://www.lastfm.pl/user/tomash33 - Last.fm |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 10:11
I've taken drugs (although only alcohol now it's term time) but I'm free of coffee, tea, cocoa, cigarettes, aspirin, paracetomol for months
. I like to keep any type of drug as far apart from day to day life as possible. For me dropping acid or other strong drug from time to time when I have a holiday is much preferred to spending all the time on some milder drug like caffeine or aspirin! This way I spend my normal time perfectly sober and free from any confusion and I can function normally. That's also why I stay away from addictive drugs mostly. |
Posted By: BitchBrew
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 11:09
What drugs are??  People respond diffrently to diffrent drugs. Some people combining the two can lose control and start hurting other people. I on the other hand become very social and friendly. When it comes to my health, I don't se how this combo would be any more harmful then just using alchohl, unless you don't take it in very big dozes! |
Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 11:42
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I believe for the purposes of this discussion, by "drugs", people are
referring to illegal drugs, the kind they teach you about in elementary
school and say "drugs are bad, mmmkay..." so as for illegal "mind expanding" drugs... no. cigarettes.... no. cigars.... mmm tasty... on occasion. but as an Engineering student i have 2 "legal" drugs as my greatest allies: caffeine on the weekdays and alcohol on the weekends! ... and of course prog music 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 12:37
You should better
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 12:46
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The term "drug" is inapropriate and confusing.
Drug means either medicine than psychoactive substance. To talk about MJ, mushroms, peyote, LSD, etc... i much prefer "lucidogen", "conscious ilimitators"...as these substances don't involve physical addiction. I think that evrybody should be free to grow any plant he/she likes in her garden or on the balcony, or under lights...Here it's forbidden to pichk some kinds of mushrooms. I find it shameful as nature is not government's property, but everybody's property. On another hand, the government allows sale of very dangerous (and addictive) pills, only to satisfy pharmaceutical trusts. |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 14:21
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there is a legal definition of "drugs" and a medical one; I go with the
medical one. the legal one is arbitrary and changes from country to
country
------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 15:30
Society mostly accepts alkohol as of the fully legal drug (we all know how US ended when thay prohibited alcohol), while narcotics are not acceped. But I think it all depends on people - some will be addicted from their frist cigarret/beer/joint some will never be. Part of the addicted will end up drinking vodka/spiritus or taking "hard" drugs and some not. It`s all in your brain ------------- http://www.lastfm.pl/user/tomash33 - Last.fm |
Posted By: ian_b
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 19:11
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to add to this point. if you are stoned it is MUCH easier to go about your daily life then to be wasted all the time. so to say alcahol doesnt make you mindless is absolutely ignorant. i have friends that smoke weed constantly and are very normal. cant say that about alot of alcaholics. |
Posted By: nousommedusolei
Date Posted: September 21 2005 at 20:03
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I drink coffee, lots of coffee. I also smoke the occasional cigarette, cigar, sometimes even the Chiba. Marijuana isn't a big deal to me. Going home and smoking a joint after work is like going home and having a few beers. No big deal. ------------- I don't believe in demons I don't believe in devils I only believe in you |
Posted By: Prodigal
Date Posted: September 21 2005 at 21:10
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I've smoked pot many times in the past. It was OK. But I'm not looking forward to do any drugs in the future. Why? Because drugs (you know the ones I'm talking about), they create addictions. I'm a lover of freedom, and I want to be under control of my mind. Once you become addicted to anything (not only drugs), life loses its natural flavor and you need to have that "special thing" in order to remain alright. No thanks, I'll pass. |
Posted By: Angeldust
Date Posted: September 21 2005 at 22:13
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OK...you can't call a drug ,something that's legal in some countries ....if you do that you should say that coffe & beers are too...I personnaly don't do a lot of stuff..Don't drink either...But even if i did it would be inapropriate to talk about it here .... ------------- 
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: September 22 2005 at 11:27
Wise words...so we should'nt see you again on this site... or it will mean that you're as addicted as us... |
Posted By: Suki
Date Posted: September 22 2005 at 13:24
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Hm.. I'm only 16, drugs I think are very far from me. Even though I
know of people who're smoking and even though that once a year I go to
a place where taking a puff is almost as easy as drinking water I don't
do it. I know i may become addicted without any control of it,
therefore I will not try it. Other than it, I do not look differently
at people who do use drugs and don't think anymore than that. People
who do use drugs aren't any 'lesser', I know how it is to be temped,
and these like that always start from curiosity, so there is no
argument here.. However, I do smoke cigarrets on a regular basis, since age of 14 and I pretty much love alcohol. When it comes to prog I doubt I will enjoy being stoned, but when it comes to other music in parties (mostly heavy stuff) I like to drink my ass off. I know there are some heavy progressive sh*t, but I think you know what I mean. Alcohol and Cigarrets are the stuff for me. I hope it won't get any worse from here. That's it. |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: September 22 2005 at 15:32
If addiction's your problem then I wouldn't worry about a lot of drugs. That's not to say you should take them by any means, but certainly most common hallucinogens don't have any addiction issues apart from ketamine (and MDMA?). Acid, LSA, salvia (but that's nasty stuff anyway!), DMT, mushrooms are not addictive at all. I stress I'm not condoning use of these, just giving some information!
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: September 22 2005 at 15:32
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Yes, but alcohol lowers your level of consciousness and tobocco (especially blond cigarettes, by opposition to 100%
tobocco cigars) are very bad for your health. You say "drugs I think are very far from me" and at the same time, you say you're addicted to these both substances...paradoxal, isn't it? Don't you know that according our prohibitive governments, these two substances are considered as hard drugs while MJ is clasified as soft ones? Meditate this. |
Posted By: ian_b
Date Posted: September 22 2005 at 17:22
| trippy drugs are ok id say. its the happy drugs you want to stay away from because you may end up being happy only durring the times you are taking these drugs. So i smoke weed take acid and shroom. i wont do ecstacy or speed even though i have tried them. i think the drugs i do have more possitives than negatives IMO. I never take huge doses so they are generally safe. |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: September 22 2005 at 17:26
To each his own, though. I've got a basically similar outlook to you except somewhat more restrictive but I don't have a problem with people taking harder drugs as long as they know and understand the risks and can bail out if things get too rough. That most people aren't even slightly able to do this is why I'm entirely against legalisation.
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Posted By: Suki
Date Posted: September 22 2005 at 17:32
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oliverstoned.. Heh, first of, I do not drink alcohol
THAT MUCH. Alcohol is really not a problem for me, had I been an
alcoholist, that's something else... All in all, I'm not addicted to
Alcohol. About the addiction, I'm well aware that both alcohol and nicotine are regarded as drugs, however, I personally "put them" in a different catagory than I place cocain and the rest of the heavy sh*t. And to put the cards down and the smartass attitude as well, most people don't regard alcohol and nicotine as drugs, I don't too because I believe the drugs that were mentioned here in this post can f**k me up more than if I'll smoke for the rest of my life, both for short term and long term. Cigarrets are believed to be okay, however, drugs are believed to be the worst dangerous sh*t ever. That's the attitude on Nicotine today, even our schoolteacher thinks so, lol. Yes, Nicotine is indeed a drug, but you should look at it from a different prospective than you look at the (for example) the various of drugs that are being mentioned in this post, whether they're heavy or not, just as I'm sure you'll do with anti-headache pills and stuff like that. Those are drugs too, aren't they? "drugs I think are very far from me", all in all, I meant that although I do smoke cigarrets there is something which holds me back from taking the 'stuff' that were mentioned in this post. I'm well aware of the road I will be taking if I do and I chose not to take it. So yes, generally, I do drugs but I haven't gotten to the level where I'll take the more 'serious' stuff. goose, perhaps these kinds of drugs aren't addicting, but I do believe that if you enjoy it you'll do it again, whether it is addicting or not. |
Posted By: Borealis
Date Posted: September 22 2005 at 18:54
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I don't know how you can hate drugs and lovealcool. They share to many similitudes. Maybe you're really influenced by the medias, your parents, the school...
You know, I really believe that the non-chemical drugs are the worst, and by this I mean computers, TV, video games, etc. Marijuana will not ruin your life, there's a strong addiction, yes, but you won,t ruin your life for that (as opposed to what you hear at school). But being addicted to computers will ruin it, as you'll get no experience in whatever, no good memories, no girl, no life man. What's worst, really? ------------- Vive le Québec libre!... |
Posted By: Suki
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 05:29
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Borealis, not everyone who drinks alcohol also love
drugs. As I've already mentioned, perhaps alcohol is regarded as a
drug, but people still look at it from a different prospective. I do
not hate drugs as I do not love them, as many other I'm sure. You keep
saying that alcohol is indeed a drug and it shares many similitudes as
well, however, you keep forgetting that drugs are far more dangerous
for your health, which is quite known. Drugs screw you life, and that's
the attitude today. Cigs=fine, alcohol=fine, drugs=the path for ending
one's life. And that's why I DO NOT take drugs. I'm sure being stoned
is as fun as being drunk, but is it fun being a drug addict? You might be taking drugs and think it is not so bad as people make it appear to be, but I don't, hence my view on it isn't as 'lite' as yours. People are aware that drugs are addicting, have strong side effects and there are enough 'stories' told by ex drug addict about the 'path' it will forcilly take you. That's why people aren't WILLING to take them as well as I and not because of hatred or something like that. I'm not interested in using them as many others, that's all. As for marijuana, it does have some side effects, both for short and long term, these effects are far more dangerous than Cigarrets, which only applies for long term.. And lots of people try heavier stuff because they started smoking it. Perhaps I am wrong, but I believe most drug addicts started smoking marijuana, then it went further About the computers remark, I agree with you, although it is known, life isn't going to change, it's only going to progress from here on. The addiction to computers will grow within the years as the technology grows. |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 06:15
Fair enough. I think tobacco's relationship with "real" drugs is something of a cultural one though. In this country we have adverts on TV, on the radio, on cigarette packets, warning people not to smoke. Also my parents were science teachers so I'd been brought up with a very anti-smoking attitude. On the other hand drugs aren't really brought up, oddly, so I didn't really have any pre-conceived ideas about them from my childhood
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Posted By: Prodigal
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 13:45
I forgot to add that prog music and prog discussions are healthy addictions...
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Posted By: Borealis
Date Posted: September 25 2005 at 17:26
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Addiction, addiction... If you moderate (just like with alcool) and don't start going to far, you should be okay. I can imagine heroin be major concern, but marijuana will never ruin anyone life. Also, I prefer to die from a cancer at the age of 70 than dying of severe obesity at the age of 40 because of an awful addiction to McDonald. Of course, is the govornement trying to stop those fast food company poisoning everyone? I keep thinking it's worst to be a computer addict than a drug addict. You will ruin your life better that way than by using drugs. But well, aren't we all addicted to something after all? Music, work, or... a girl? ------------- Vive le Québec libre!... |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: September 26 2005 at 10:02
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And lots of people try heavier stuff
because they started smoking it. Perhaps I am wrong, but I believe most drug addicts started smoking marijuana, then it went further yes, but before trying MJ, they tried alcohol and tobocco. So alcohol and tobocco lead to hard drugs and should be forbidden! |
Posted By: Doesburger
Date Posted: September 26 2005 at 10:40
| Addiction is a medical condition and not a criminal one. That is why the so-called "war on drugs" will NEVER work. Instead of burying their stupid heads in the sand and make believe that they are helping, governments (with the U.S. leading!) should study the dutch approach (which is NOT perfect by any means! but at least they're realists) and not only decriminalise drugs (alcohol, tobacco and coffee, the most addictive of drugs already are!!!) but make it available to those who want it. |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: September 26 2005 at 11:34
The MJ's prohibition gives exactly the same results than the alcohol one. But, the reason is that under pseudo-moral reasons, it's just politic/lobbyes/money that motivates the so called drug war. Did you know that (world) hemp prohibition was due to Paper, forest exploitation US lobbyes who were afraid of hemp concurrence and create a confusion between hemp and psychoactive hemp, in order to delete the first. They even change the Japan constitution in 1945 to forbidden hemp under any form (you can smoke a whole field of textile hemp, you'll just get a headache)whereas it was used for many things since the night of times everywhere. (First american bank wallet were made of hemp, for example). Moreover, hemp is a "green bomb" that we need in this pollution time. For example, it produces four more textile than cotton, without using any fertilizer. Same with paper, you don't need to destroy the forest, but grow hemp which has moreover the ability to depollute polluted fields as it absorbs Nitrate during growing process. It's one of the many ecological qualities of this wonderful plant. |
Posted By: Suki
Date Posted: September 26 2005 at 14:19
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oliverstoned, I know a person who started smoking MJ even before he tried tobocco, lol..
Borealis, we are not talking about MJ only here, I'm talking in generally. I'm not here to discuss specificly on MJ. And you think that being addicted to a computer is far worse than being a drug addict? I think it's better to have a life without any experience and memories other than having a life full of pain or not having it at all Yet again, I'm not talking about stuff like MJ, but the heavy drugs. I've yet to meet a sane drug addict that is happy about his life choices when it comes down to heavy drugs (like heroin). The only people who wouldn't mind I believe are musicians, but what about the rest of the popularity? Being a drug addict is better than being a computer addict? What life will you have then? what memories will you have, watching the rest getting high? being pitted? memories of losing your money, of being theatend? of consuming drugs more and more? of being fired? of trying to stop using it, but miserly failling the task? Do a poll, it will be interesting to see how much will vote they want to have a drug addict's memories and feelings other than being a computer addict, which I'll say is much more easier to fix. I have 2 friends that on the computer a lot, even worse, are addicted to Counter Strike (a popular net game), their mothers patheticlly threatend them, now they barely play. They did not have a problem to sociallize, they just had to do a f**king phone call to some friends. Perhaps comp addicts are feeling sad or worthless, but they just need to try and open up a bit for others, and believe me, the problem will be solved. But what about drug addicts.. heh.. I don't even want to imagine how much of a way they have climb.. pfffff |
Posted By: Borealis
Date Posted: September 26 2005 at 16:45
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^ I probably agree with you on heroin. But computer comes second...
oliverstoned, I know a person who started smoking MJ even before he tried tobocco, lol.. You now know a second, I don't remember smoking a cigarette... I don't smoke tobacco. I don't know why I should: costy, ruin your health, smell bad, no high ------------- Vive le Québec libre!... |
Posted By: Suki
Date Posted: September 26 2005 at 17:00
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Well, are you smoking MJ? and that doesn't ruin your health?
There is nothing wrong in a cigarette, costy - yes, just as I'm sure smoking MJ on a regular basis is, ruin your health - just about anything in life and I'm not aware of any cases where MJ improved someone's health (besides a few rare cancer cases), anyway, I doubt you'll become super-supi healthy by smkoking it. smell bad - about 30 mins after thae smell goes away (at least for people who don't smoke cigarettes on short delay, like 10 mins the whole day), no high - that's what alcohol is for. not only that, cigarettes has their own advantages, for example on a school day (lots of hours, tests, etc..) |
Posted By: Borealis
Date Posted: September 26 2005 at 17:09
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^ Are you trying to convince me starting cigarettes? I didn't said MJ was good for health. The thing is that already being on that one, I don't wanna ruin it even more ------------- Vive le Québec libre!... |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: September 26 2005 at 20:21
| I've never smoked a cigarette in my life, but I used to smoke pot. But in joints, so not completely tobacco free. |
Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: September 26 2005 at 20:42
Correction: You can't live a normal life and be a full blown alcoholic (which mean you were "addicted" to alcochol) As for me I don't do drugs and I don't drink. I don't feel that a substance is needed to enhance the effects of music. I just feel that those people aren't focusing enough while sober. ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: September 26 2005 at 20:45
Cigarretes are so bad for you and everyone else around you. What are you talking about? It's your personal preference during a school day to have a cigarette and it's his or her own preference to smoke weed. They are both bad for you but cigarettes are worse for the world (environmental impacts and second hand smoke impacts.) ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: September 27 2005 at 15:47
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I've done a fair amount of hallucinogens in my life, and while I'm prepared to believe they have done me less harm than tobacco - physically - I think as a rule of thumb 'if it tastes good or feels good, it's probably bad for you' The rule applies to illicit drugs, food and drink... Moderation may be fine for most things, but it's worth remembering that even 1 - 3 cigarettes a day makes you three times more likely to develop lung cancer than a non smoker. Cannabis has potentially even more carcinogens. If the research is to be believed. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: September 29 2005 at 11:59
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To
all you drug defensors: Today a cuople of parents were sentenced -
mother for 3,5 year and father for life senetnce. They`ve beaten up
their child every time it was screaming and tied it to bed... The
tragedy was yet to come... one day they were so stoned that the father
reaped his child (4 month old boy) and then beated him to death. Police
found more amphetamine in their appartment. Psychologists agree that
the mental aberration was caused by drugs.......... ------------- http://www.lastfm.pl/user/tomash33 - Last.fm |
Posted By: Doesburger
Date Posted: September 30 2005 at 03:55
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Yves |
Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: September 30 2005 at 05:47
Mental aberration WAS CAUSED by drugs. Is that so hard to understand? Besides we don`t really have a anti-drug campagin in Poland so I don`t think this is a manipulation... I don`t say that everyone who take drugs will act like this guy but it`s more likely to happen ------------- http://www.lastfm.pl/user/tomash33 - Last.fm |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: September 30 2005 at 06:12
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That's a really poor argument "against "drugs"".
How many men beat their wifes, after drinking alcohol? Probably more than people on amphetamines (i'm not advocate amphetamines use, although i've never tried, i think there are very dangerous) It doesn't mean that alcohol automatically leads to violence! I also agree that in some psycho social circumstances, hard drug use can lead to some Terrible acts. But it does mean much, if just that these drugs are dangerous. But you’ll never see violent acts with MJ while there are very common with alcohol (but in this case, alcohol just reveals psychological problems, or is often simply an alibi and exagerates violence) |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: September 30 2005 at 06:25
And what about people on legal drugs, like anti depressant, anxyolitics, Prozac, etc...? There are very dangerous! They drive cars for example, and the mix with a little alcohol can have very bad effects. |
Posted By: Doesburger
Date Posted: September 30 2005 at 06:27
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Simply parroting what so-called "experts" make you want to believe, does NOT make it true. Is that so difficult to understand? |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: September 30 2005 at 07:02
| Yes, on one hand the government diabolizes weed and on another hand, allows sales of dangerous drugs to satisfy pharmaceutical trusts. Where's honesty? |
Posted By: Borealis
Date Posted: September 30 2005 at 19:54
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^ I agree with both of you guys. You know, I don't remember ever hearing about a man killing someone while taking his car stoned. But, about a drunk man...
If you want to make an unbiaised opinion about drugs, don't listen to the medias. They are maid, paid and trained to make you hate drugs. ------------- Vive le Québec libre!... |
Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 01:50
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drugs, abortion and sex issues have always had 2 poles: there always have been a fight between the good and the bad. that's why the opinions are 50-50! AMAZING! i believe each opinion does not come from the pure reason!
------------- [HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!> |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 06:34
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Posted By: Throgh
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 05:15
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no drugs - just fun
what man are you if you need any kind of stimulation to life. Why do you need this s**t stuff? life is brutal, mom doesn't love you, or girl/boyfriend's gone? I'm very angry if sbd want to tell me "Oh drugs are so cool and harmless for me - I just can control it, I'm a hero"
I'm not saint, but DRUGS ARE S**T AT ALL and destroy you, OK drinking too. But compare strenght of addiction of both. one more time MY opinion - no drugs at all ------------- don't worry be happy |
Posted By: Throgh
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 05:22
man who paint this did not use drugs
 ------------- don't worry be happy |
Posted By: Doesburger
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 05:22
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You don't like drugs? Good for you! |
Posted By: proger
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 06:01
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no drugs, no smoke... only nice and good prog i am such a good boy! ------------- ...live for tomorrow... |
Posted By: Throgh
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 06:26
I have daughter 15 yo and I do not want her taking drugs- that's why I am so emphatic. Except this I'm liberal - your life, your choice. good luck ------------- don't worry be happy |