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Topic: Politics and prog
Posted By: Guests
Subject: Politics and prog
Date Posted: September 18 2005 at 17:29

How are most prog bands politically?

are they Right  left , anarchist or what? or are does it depend on the band




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Posted By: Paradox
Date Posted: September 18 2005 at 20:01
It depends on the band entirely, but from what i can see, the majority of bands seem to lean to the left in political terms

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Posted By: Philrod
Date Posted: September 18 2005 at 21:06
are there really bands from the right that actually wrote lyrics about politics?

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Posted By: BitchBrew
Date Posted: September 19 2005 at 17:00
Do yuo guys know any Anarchic prog-bands out there? Since I'm an anarchist myself it would be intresting to get ahold of some!


Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: September 19 2005 at 17:10
Originally posted by BitchBrew BitchBrew wrote:

Do yuo guys know any Anarchic prog-bands out there? Since I'm an anarchist myself it would be intresting to get ahold of some!


Lyrically, none that I know of (though Henry Cow were extreme left so they may well have dabbled) but musically, LOADS!


Posted By: Angeldust
Date Posted: September 19 2005 at 18:01

Politics and prog,what a strange relationship....Actually i don't think that progressive music should define your beliefs especially in politics...

 

Queensryche have done an amazing concept album(Operation Mindcrime) based on politics ,not clearly but it's surely based on this subject .Their latest album Tribe also criticises Bush's actions...



Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 03:56
After hearing The Great Debate by DT I`d say they are conservative

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Posted By: Citanul
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 04:29
Originally posted by Wolf Spider Wolf Spider wrote:

After hearing The Great Debate by DT I`d say they are conservative


I'm not so sure about that.  My reading of the song is that they present both sides of the argument, and in any case, being opposed to something like stem cell research is not necessarily being conservative.


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Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 04:34
Originally posted by Citanul Citanul wrote:

Originally posted by Wolf Spider Wolf Spider wrote:

After hearing The Great Debate by DT I`d say they are conservative


I'm not so sure about that.  My reading of the song is that they present both sides of the argument, and in any case, being opposed to something like stem cell research is not necessarily being conservative.


Don`t agree the lyrics are clearly against stem cell research - Turn to the light.... So ok, but they aren`t ultra liberal
 

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Posted By: Citanul
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 05:03
Originally posted by Wolf Spider Wolf Spider wrote:

Originally posted by Citanul Citanul wrote:

Originally posted by Wolf Spider Wolf Spider wrote:

After hearing The Great Debate by DT I`d say they are conservative


I'm not so sure about that.  My reading of the song is that they present both sides of the argument, and in any case, being opposed to something like stem cell research is not necessarily being conservative.


Don`t agree the lyrics are clearly against stem cell research - Turn to the light.... So ok, but they aren`t ultra liberal
 


I'm not so sure - it's not made clear what "turn to the light" is referring to.  It could have a religious meaing, or it could be referring to  enlightenment through scientific progress.

I'm not going to quote the whole song, but here's the first part.  It presents both sides of the argument and isn't clearly against stem cell research.

What if someone said
Promise lies ahead
Hopes are high in certain scientific circles
Life won't have to end
You could walk again

What if someone said
Problems lie ahead
They've uncovered something highly controversial
The right to life is strong
Can't you see it's wrong

Human kind has reached a turning point
Poised for conflict at ground zero
Ready for a war
Do we look to our unearthly guide
Or to white coat heroes
Searching for the truth



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Posted By: BitchBrew
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 11:13
Isn't "the wall" a quite political album? 


Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 11:33
Originally posted by Citanul Citanul wrote:

Originally posted by Wolf Spider Wolf Spider wrote:

Originally posted by Citanul Citanul wrote:

Originally posted by Wolf Spider Wolf Spider wrote:

After hearing The Great Debate by DT I`d say they are conservative


I'm not so sure about that.  My reading of the song is that they present both sides of the argument, and in any case, being opposed to something like stem cell research is not necessarily being conservative.


Don`t agree the lyrics are clearly against stem cell research - Turn to the light.... So ok, but they aren`t ultra liberal
 


I'm not so sure - it's not made clear what "turn to the light" is referring to.  It could have a religious meaing, or it could be referring to  enlightenment through scientific progress.

I'm not going to quote the whole song, but here's the first part.  It presents both sides of the argument and isn't clearly against stem cell research.

What if someone said
Promise lies ahead
Hopes are high in certain scientific circles
Life won't have to end
You could walk again

What if someone said
Problems lie ahead
They've uncovered something highly controversial
The right to life is strong
Can't you see it's wrong

Human kind has reached a turning point
Poised for conflict at ground zero
Ready for a war
Do we look to our unearthly guide
Or to white coat heroes
Searching for the truth



As far as I can tell, the song presents both sides of the argument without actually stating a preference.  all the little sound clips throughout the song are about equally spaced from both sides, and the lyrics are so wishy-washy you'd never be able what side they take.  It's like trying to write a political activist song without being remotely active at all.  The song is neither conservative nor liberal, just kind of dumb.  It shows no actual knowledge of the subject on the part of whichever band member wrote the lyrics, it just repeats what was on CNN everyday around that time. 
I usually refer to this song as DT's "Ode to Cable News Talking Head Political Pundits"



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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 12:33
Originally posted by BitchBrew BitchBrew wrote:

Do yuo guys know any Anarchic prog-bands out there? Since I'm an anarchist myself it would be intresting to get ahold of some!

Here and Now are anarchists; their first album (together with Daevid Allen and Gilli Smythe, as Planet Gong) is not called "Live Floating Anarchy" for nothing. they used to give free concerts and let a hat go around in the audience, asking the audience to pay what they liked. and it worked!


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