Non Big Six Prog Favorite
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Topic: Non Big Six Prog Favorite
Posted By: deafmoon
Subject: Non Big Six Prog Favorite
Date Posted: August 12 2018 at 11:19
All have some very fine moments. Gentle Giant, Renaissance, Banco and Camel are right there after the Big Six for me.
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: August 12 2018 at 11:25
The trio from Canada.
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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: August 12 2018 at 11:30
Magma for me. Also love Renaissance, VdGG, Caravan, Moody Blues, Rush & Soft Machine. Like some Camel, Supertramp & Focus too.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 12 2018 at 11:37
I have albums by all of these, and have liked all of these very much. Soft Machine, Van der Graaf Generator, Magma would be my top three methinks, but Banco del Mutuo Soccorso, PFM, and Gentle Giant are up there too. Others I really love on the list too. I can't vote on this right now. I will try to remember to come back and vote for the one that I next play an album by (I am in a Third mood, but also feel like playing VdGG and Magma). Alternately, perhaps if I'm swayed by a particularly convincing-to-me post I will vote for that (that has made up my mind quite a few times as I can be quite impressionable).
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: August 12 2018 at 12:01
There are at least 4 or 5 up there I like about the same...but I'm a big Canterbury fan so it mighty be Caravan...but The Moodies have been one of my favorites from my earliest days.......hard to say.
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: August 12 2018 at 12:20
VDGG > Soft Machine > Caravan > Magma > Gentle Giant
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: August 12 2018 at 12:20
From the list, Rush gets my vote.
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Posted By: AlanB
Date Posted: August 12 2018 at 12:22
Camel, but out of the list my favourite prog artist is Neal Morse
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: August 12 2018 at 12:22
The Magnificent Moodies.
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Posted By: socrates17
Date Posted: August 12 2018 at 12:36
Gotta be Magma. They're closely followed by Caravan, VdGG & Le Orme. Can't vote Soft Machine because that begs the question of WHICH Soft Machine. Unlike the other bands, changing personnel radically changed direction/style. I'm much fonder of 1, 2 & Third than I am their later work (even 4) due to the absence of Dada humor. If based only on 1 & 2, I'd have put them above Magma.
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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: August 12 2018 at 12:47
VDGG > Gentle Giant > PFM
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Posted By: Fischman
Date Posted: August 12 2018 at 13:05
Gotta vote Rush, but it's good to see the Moodies getting some votes. Ditto Camel, a group I've been enjoying a great deal lately. Hopefully, Soft Machine and PFM will get on the board as well.
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: August 12 2018 at 13:23
RUSH U S S U HSUR
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Posted By: Grayson2001
Date Posted: August 12 2018 at 14:42
Early Supertramp
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: August 12 2018 at 15:06
1 Camel (better than any of the "Big Six")
2 Gentle Giant 3 Rush 4 Renaissance 5 Focus 6 Caravan
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: August 12 2018 at 15:10
The everlasting alternation between Van der Graaf Generator and Gentle Giant … and Magma. I pick VdGG today.
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Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: August 12 2018 at 15:25
Has to be Rush - in my DNA in the late 70s and early 80s. Didn't even consider them fully prog rock at the time - just an intelligent rock band with great complexity and depth that I happened to cotton onto reasonably early here in the UK on the All the World's a Stage album and tour that year, and pushed onto my school friends like some born-again zealot - although to little effect. Still, they were 'my' band, and I think discovering bands yourself without peers or chart success, is one of the great joys of being a rock fan (all the Big Six I had discovered before them, but they were already successful and well-known)
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Posted By: Dopeydoc
Date Posted: August 12 2018 at 15:47
Gentle Giant, part of the big 7
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Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: August 12 2018 at 17:00
All are deserving of support. I cannot pick one.
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Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: August 12 2018 at 19:37
I like some of these more than probably half of the big six. Today my vote goes to Gentle Giant, but Caravan, Focus, The Moody Blues, Magma and Soft Machine are all big faves for me.
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Posted By: progmatic
Date Posted: August 12 2018 at 19:41
Voted Camel but Strawbs should be on this list (and would get my vote accordingly)
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Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: August 12 2018 at 19:43
VDGG > Soft Machine > Caravan > Magma > Gentle Giant
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PS : I could live easily without the Big six.
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Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: August 12 2018 at 20:12
Where is Frank? Anyway, been getting back into Magma this evening. I already love MDK so listened to their debut and loved it, and now listening to Felicite Thosz and it is really beautiful. I think this might really be a band to be reckoned with but still so much to discover from them. I love Camel and VdGG, also Renaissance.. but this one is coming down to Caravan or Gentle Giant. And it's a tough one because I like both bands A LOT. So ok I'll pick Gentle Giant but just by the slimmest of margins.
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Posted By: DarkTower
Date Posted: August 12 2018 at 21:01
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: August 12 2018 at 22:19
I really can't choose on this list, too many of my favourites.
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Posted By: tempest_77
Date Posted: August 12 2018 at 22:41
Between Camel and Rush. Supertramp is up there too, and I also love a lot of Moody Blues stuff.
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Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: August 12 2018 at 23:56
I know it's impossible to be all-inclusive in these polls, but why no place for Gong, Hawkwind, Can, Tangerine Dream, or (insert name here)
From the poll, I found it hard to decide between VDGG, Caravan, Focus, and PFM. Went with Caravan
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: August 13 2018 at 04:01
progmatic wrote:
Voted Camel but Strawbs should be on this list (and would get my vote accordingly) |
Strawbs should indeed be on this list and would come second to Camel for me.
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Posted By: Daysbetween
Date Posted: August 13 2018 at 06:06
Have albums by them all and enjoy every band on the list. Voted for Soft Machine today but tomorrow it might have been VdGG or Camel.
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Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: August 13 2018 at 06:09
Rush but I also like some Gentle Giant, PFM, and Soft Machine. Haven't heard enough from the others.
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Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: August 13 2018 at 06:19
Neat poll.
Rush!
Followed by Camel, Renaissance, and Supertramp . . .
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Posted By: Chaser
Date Posted: August 13 2018 at 06:35
Gosh that's tough! I have a big soft spot for Gentle Giant - just their musicianship and range of musical influences, so I'd probably go for them However VdGG are superb and it's hard to relegate them into second place
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Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: August 13 2018 at 08:34
hmm, from this list it's pretty close to a tie between Camel, Moodys and Renaissance. Le Orme is not far behind though. I'm going with Renaissance because they are the group I'm most likely to listen to these days
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: August 13 2018 at 08:35
The thing is that already the "big 6" are not personal favourites but nominated due to some kind of consensus among some kind of insider group, although opposition against that list seems rather weak and I'm probably just about OK with it.
But it is then a tough question to nominate no. 7 because obviously the question here is not what my personal number 7 band is assuming that the first 6 are the big ones. I have a personal top 5 and there's only one overlap to the "big 6" and actually no overlap to the list posted here.
VDGG may just make my personal top 10 on a good day and they are high enough in general esteem that they'd probably make a worthy number 7 of prog so I will vote for them here.
But then some of the selection here is really odd in that Grobschnitt would probably have a hard time to get into the top 10 German prog bands alone whereas some real biggies such as Zappa and Can (yes I ought to say that) are missing.
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Posted By: Argo2112
Date Posted: August 13 2018 at 08:39
Rush, then Renaissance. You could put Zappa in there too.
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Posted By: Olape
Date Posted: August 13 2018 at 09:07
Gentle Giant +1 Banco VdGG
All three are in my personal top ten, above most of the so called big six.
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Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: August 13 2018 at 11:23
excellent poll
love albums from all of these bands
Rush gets my vote
Gentle Giant would be next
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Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: August 13 2018 at 11:56
VDGG.
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Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: August 13 2018 at 13:55
Gentle Giant Banco Le Orme PFM Van Der Graaf Generator
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: August 13 2018 at 14:00
I know there are mixed opinions about them on here but Rush gets my vote.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: August 13 2018 at 14:02
miamiscot wrote:
Gentle GiantBanco Le Orme PFM Van Der Graaf Generator |
Most of these bands would fall in place behind Rush for me as well as a few others. I don't know Le Orme that well though. I would add Camel to that list too(for me anyway).
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Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: August 13 2018 at 14:10
Rush is at the top for me currently. At one time it would have been Supertramp, at another Camel, at even another PFM. At this time though, I like my music loud, so Rush takes it.
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Posted By: tboyd1802
Date Posted: August 13 2018 at 17:14
Lot's to choose from in this list. I'm going to through PFM a little love...
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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: August 13 2018 at 17:25
It's a tie between Camel/ PFM/ Gentle Giant. I like the rest too, all great bands.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: August 14 2018 at 04:02
can't choose, Camel, Renaissance and Rush make it impossible (LOL).
Grobschnitt? Why not Eloy, Jane, Novalis?
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: August 14 2018 at 05:06
Triumvirat should be mentioned
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: August 14 2018 at 05:47
Camel and Magma in the Big Eight
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: August 14 2018 at 06:01
No point for me to choose between Magma, Soft Machine or Van der Graaf Generator but I voted for Magma anyway because their huge quantity of quality releases are nearly unmatched. Among the rest I particularly enjoy Gentle Giant, Camel, Caravan and the there-four first albums by each of the italian bands + selected material by the rest.
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Posted By: O666
Date Posted: August 14 2018 at 09:59
octopus-4 wrote:
Camel and Magma in the Big Eight |
Exactly ...
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Posted By: O666
Date Posted: August 14 2018 at 10:11
There are a lot of "Great Big Bands" with "Masterpieces" in and out of this list. What is your definition about "Big Six"? Are we have a common opinion about it? Who said PF or ELP bigger than VDGG or PFM? Bigger or Biggest?! What is your opinion about genres?
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: August 14 2018 at 10:19
^^^ I think it's fairly obvious that Floyd and ELP sold more than VDGG, PFM et al. I'm reading 'Big' as in who shifted the most units. Although, I suppose you cold argue that King Crimson were top of the 'second' divsion, and the likes of Supertramp, Rush and Moody Blues sold more than they did, but whatever..
My fave from the list is Rush, closely followed by VDGG, Supertramp and Moody Blues.
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Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: August 14 2018 at 10:27
O666 wrote:
There are a lot of "Great Big Bands" with "Masterpieces" in and out of this list. What is your definition about "Big Six"? Are we have a common opinion about it? Who said PF or ELP bigger than VDGG or PFM? Bigger or Biggest?! What is your opinion about genres?
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It's basically down to popularity. "Six most popular 70's progressive rock bands"; which covers how well-known they are/were everywhere, not just the forum here. I don't think we've come to a consensus yet here though
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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: August 14 2018 at 14:06
The.Crimson.King wrote:
VDGG > Gentle Giant > PFM | You are correct, sir!
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Posted By: Cambus741
Date Posted: August 14 2018 at 14:12
went for Camel as I like quite a few of their albums. (just shaded it over Rush as I only like their material from 2112 to Signals)
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: August 14 2018 at 15:13
Cristi wrote:
can't choose, Camel, Renaissance and Rush make it impossible (LOL).
Grobschnitt? Why not Eloy, Jane, Novalis? |
I agree that if you have Grobschnitt you have to have Eloy. But if you mention Jane and Novalis then it opens up a can of worms that would also have to include Hoelderlin, Birth Control, Anyone's Daughter, SFF and on and on. Then there's also the more krautrocky bands like Agitation Free, Neu, Kraftwerk, Can, AD2 etc. Nektar, Strawbs and Gong in particular though seem to be mysteriously absent.
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: August 14 2018 at 16:07
SM, VDGG, Magma
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Posted By: MFP
Date Posted: August 14 2018 at 18:24
Posted By: Walkscore
Date Posted: August 14 2018 at 18:29
I think Soft Machine is at least on par with all of the 'big six'
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Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: August 14 2018 at 19:58
For me Gentle Giant should be in the 'big six' of prog. I don't care how, make room for them somehow.. imo.
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Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: August 14 2018 at 20:00
And where is Barclay James Harvest, or Saga! If this Grobschnitt can make the cut then surely they should.
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: August 15 2018 at 01:26
YESESIS wrote:
For me Gentle Giant should be in the 'big six' of prog. I don't care how, make room for them somehow.. imo. |
Big Six as per the other poll is Yes, Genesis, Floyd, Tull, ELP, KC. GG never outsold these bands. So they were never as popular as them, nor still are. Even today, GG remains a far more polarising band than any of these. Even those who don't like ELP still like the debut, likewise for KC. Maybe if GG didn't have Derek Shulman as their singer, they would be less polarising but that's woulda shoulda coulda.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: August 15 2018 at 02:52
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
Cristi wrote:
can't choose, Camel, Renaissance and Rush make it impossible (LOL).
Grobschnitt? Why not Eloy, Jane, Novalis? |
I agree that if you have Grobschnitt you have to have Eloy. But if you mention Jane and Novalis then it opens up a can of worms that would also have to include Hoelderlin, Birth Control, Anyone's Daughter, SFF and on and on. Then there's also the more krautrocky bands like Agitation Free, Neu, Kraftwerk, Can, AD2 etc. Nektar, Strawbs and Gong in particular though seem to be mysteriously absent.
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I don't wanna open no can of worms (LOL), just wondering why Grobschnitt of all possible German bands. :)
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Posted By: O666
Date Posted: August 15 2018 at 03:25
irrelevant wrote:
O666 wrote:
There are a lot of "Great Big Bands" with "Masterpieces" in and out of this list. What is your definition about "Big Six"? Are we have a common opinion about it? Who said PF or ELP bigger than VDGG or PFM? Bigger or Biggest?! What is your opinion about genres?
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It's basically down to popularity. "Six most popular 70's progressive rock bands"; which covers how well-known they are/were everywhere, not just the forum here. I don't think we've come to a consensus yet here though |
Yes you right. I believe , Popularity is a important parameter but there are too many important measures too. 50% of musical (and other arts) parameters are technical parameters (theory and physical) from Composing , Song Writing ...to playing instruments and we can't ignore them. Honestly , I don't want to discuss about it hardly in this poll because I hate to change threads direction.. I vote to Camel today and I may vote to VDGG or Rush or Magma(as Bigs) tomorrow !
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: August 15 2018 at 05:06
Not sure whether there was ever a proper discussion in which the "Big 6" were "officially" agreed. What's the history of that category? I don't think it's based on sales only - have these six all outsold Rush, Radiohead and Kate Bush? I think it's a mix of popularity, innovation, influence, competence, longevity... As I wrote earlier, on that basis I'm just about fine with the Big 6 selection although I have nothing to do with it. I also do agree that all the "best of the rest", be it GG, VDGG, Rush or Zappa, are clearly behind in at least one, rather more aspects.
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: August 15 2018 at 05:11
Lewian wrote:
Not sure whether there was ever a proper discussion in which the "Big 6" were "officially" agreed. What's the history of that category? I don't think it's based on sales only - have these six all outsold Rush, Radiohead and Kate Bush? I think it's a mix of popularity, innovation, influence, competence, longevity... As I wrote earlier, on that basis I'm just about fine with the selection although I have nothing to do with it. I also do agree that all the "best of the rest", be it GG, VDGG, Rush or Zappa, are clearly behind in at least one, rather more aspects.
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Those three bands came after the first wave of prog. I think the Big Six refers to the biggest from the first wave of prog. This is why Genesis is sometimes excluded from the Big Six, as in this formulation. Because their biggest success came as the first wave bands were waning.
If we took a modern prog, esp prog metal, centric point of view, Rush would be more influential than all of the Big Six with the possible exception of Pink Floyd.
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: August 15 2018 at 05:22
rogerthat wrote:
If we took a modern prog, esp prog metal, centric point of view, Rush would be more influential than all of the Big Six with the possible exception of Pink Floyd. |
The thing with Rush is that for all their influence they themselves are so strongly influenced by some Big 6 entries; they popularised certain elements but were certainly not as inventive as the Big 6.
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Posted By: Fischman
Date Posted: August 15 2018 at 08:26
Lewian wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
If we took a modern prog, esp prog metal, centric point of view, Rush would be more influential than all of the Big Six with the possible exception of Pink Floyd. |
The thing with Rush is that for all their influence they themselves are so strongly influenced by some Big 6 entries; they popularised certain elements but were certainly not as inventive as the Big 6.
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Rush did popularize elements introduced by the big 6. But they also brought their own originality to the table and incorporated that into to their music as well. They repeated some big 6 but added much of their own, so overall, they were as inventive as anybody.
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Posted By: Fischman
Date Posted: August 15 2018 at 08:34
My understanding is that the term "big 6" originated during the first wave/golden era of prog. I'm not sure anybody knows who first coined the term, but it was put out as a descriptor of who were considered the most influential and representative practitioners of the genre at the time.
Times to change and history allows for some reassessment of such categorization. J.S. Bach was considered a relatively minor composer in his lifetime but later became considered one of the greatest, if not the greatest, of all time. So today, with benefit of history and hindsight, we may say, hey, a group like Camel deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as King Crimson. We may observe that, while highly respected by many prog fans, a group like King Crimson is virtually unknown outside that community, so maybe they don't get the same consideration as Yes or Tull,, who have tons of recognition across a broader community. And that assessment was made before Genesis replaced their prog with pop.
Lots of variables. The Big 6 makes a good starting point for discussion of prog in that era, but is of limited utility beyond that.
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Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: August 15 2018 at 21:02
rogerthat wrote:
YESESIS wrote:
For me Gentle Giant should be in the 'big six' of prog. I don't care how, make room for them somehow.. imo. |
Big Six as per the other poll is Yes, Genesis, Floyd, Tull, ELP, KC. GG never outsold these bands. So they were never as popular as them, nor still are. Even today, GG remains a far more polarising band than any of these. Even those who don't like ELP still like the debut, likewise for KC. Maybe if GG didn't have Derek Shulman as their singer, they would be less polarising but that's woulda shoulda coulda. |
Can't argue with any of that but, for me, the big 4 of PROG is(and probably will always be) Yes, Genesis, ELP, and Gentle freaking Giant! Even as much as I love Frank Zappa, I have to leave him out when it comes to prog in the purest sense.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 17 2018 at 00:26
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 17 2018 at 00:33
In terms of the big six discussion I would say that ELP, Yes, Genesis, King Crimson and Tull are the obvious ones. Pink Floyd where a strange anomaly as they were nothing special until DSOTM which is arguably a 'crossover' album while VDGG and GG should obviously have been massive and no one really knows why they weren't!
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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: August 17 2018 at 04:36
^Nothing special? Atom Heart Mother was groundbreaking it´s time, one of the first epics with rock band & big orchestra, yes there were also Purple with Concerto & the Nice in Five Bridges, but to me Atom Heart is the most masterpiece of those, really great composition and band/orchestra collaboration works the best of those.
But also I think they were masters of psychedelia in their two first albums, More & Ummagumma are also really great albums, although in those albums they didn´t develop forward as much as in Atom Heart.
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Posted By: O666
Date Posted: August 19 2018 at 11:42
richardh wrote:
In terms of the big six discussion I would say that ELP, Yes, Genesis, King Crimson and Tull are the obvious ones. Pink Floyd where a strange anomaly as they were nothing special until DSOTM which is arguably a 'crossover' album while VDGG and GG should obviously have been massive and no one really knows why they weren't! |
I agree with you about Floyd but I know so many people that say same things about ELP.
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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: August 23 2018 at 09:12
Jade Warrior > Focus > Eloy
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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: August 23 2018 at 09:16
YESESIS wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
YESESIS wrote:
For me Gentle Giant should be in the 'big six' of prog. I don't care how, make room for them somehow.. imo. |
Big Six as per the other poll is Yes, Genesis, Floyd, Tull, ELP, KC. GG never outsold these bands. So they were never as popular as them, nor still are. Even today, GG remains a far more polarising band than any of these. Even those who don't like ELP still like the debut, likewise for KC. Maybe if GG didn't have Derek Shulman as their singer, they would be less polarising but that's woulda shoulda coulda. |
Can't argue with any of that but, for me, the big 4 of PROG is(and probably will always be) Yes, Genesis, ELP, and Gentle freaking Giant! Even as much as I love Frank Zappa, I have to leave him out when it comes to prog in the purest sense. |
What’s Prog in the purest sense? I ask because I would actually identify Zappa as Prog in the purest sense.
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Posted By: progmatic
Date Posted: August 23 2018 at 09:35
It may not fit on this list, but I'd give Porcupine Tree some love for its incredible string of consistently great albums.
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Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: August 23 2018 at 17:56
HackettFan wrote:
What’s Prog in the purest sense? I ask because I would actually identify Zappa as Prog in the purest sense.
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If you're talking early Zappa then I absolutely agree. Mostly in that it's different than anything else(as far as I know). Uncle Meat stands out to me because I would call that prog more so than In The Court.. People will disagree with that but it's my opinion.
70's Zappa doesn't sound all that 'proggy' to me though, compared to like ELP or 70's Genesis(that's usually what I think of when I think of the word Prog). So really just depends how you look at it I think.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 13 2019 at 23:40
can't believe this nice poll passed me by
Renaissance (today)
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Posted By: LAM-SGC
Date Posted: January 14 2019 at 11:21
When did it change to Big Six? It was always Big 5 back in the day.
Rush got my vote.
Rush along with Moody Blues are the only two I listen to more than occasionally.
Less than occasionally I listen to Camel, Focus, Gentle Giant, Supertramp and PFM
The rest I never listen to and in some cases have never heard.
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Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: January 14 2019 at 11:52
I love Van Der Graaf Generator much more than the others.
For me Van der Graaf (and King Crimson) of 1969-71 are of another category compared to any other bands (BIG6 included... Floyds are in the between).
In this list, seconds (very distant) Gentle Giant.
Then, Magma, PFM, Caravan, Soft Machine.
Anyway, if we are talking about popularity, Gentle Giant and Van der Graaf had much more success in Italy than the other groups on this list (comparable to that of BIG6).
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 14 2019 at 12:00
LAM-SGC wrote:
When did it change to Big Six? It was always Big 5 back in the day.
Rush got my vote.
Rush along with Moody Blues are the only two I listen to more than occasionally.
Less than occasionally I listen to Camel, Focus, Gentle Giant, Supertramp and PFM
The rest I never listen to and in some cases have never heard.
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Yes, big five were Yes, ELP, Genesis, King Crimson and Pink Floyd, but sometimes that gets expanded on, and I have heard the term bix six various times over the years, and the number six spot usually goes to Jethro Tull. I'm fine with that concept of a big six.
By the way, I think I voted for Magma in this poll, though VdGG and Soft Machine tempted me. I like Rush, but it personally comes far down this list for me as much as I did like the band when I was a teenager (though I guess I would have voted for Focus back then)
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Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: January 14 2019 at 13:02
Too hard to chose just one.
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Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: January 14 2019 at 15:19
In this list I miss Family, I think a group that for historical importance and quality of the albums is exceeded only by a few (and in this list by very few). It's strange for me that Family are so little considered. But I think I know the reasons.
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Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: January 14 2019 at 15:37
My Big 6 are: Tull Le Orme Giant Camel Magma Graaf and Caravan Oblivion Genesis Rush or Eloy Fill the top 10. May have missed a band or two. While Yes, Crimson, Floyd don't even make my 10.
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Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: January 14 2019 at 16:43
Could not care less about three of the Big Six. Of the options listed here Magma is my fave, though I also have much love for VDGG, Soft Machine, Caravan, Banco and GG.
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Posted By: LAM-SGC
Date Posted: January 14 2019 at 16:43
Logan wrote:
LAM-SGC wrote:
When did it change to Big Six? It was always Big 5 back in the day.
Rush got my vote.
Rush along with Moody Blues are the only two I listen to more than occasionally.
Less than occasionally I listen to Camel, Focus, Gentle Giant, Supertramp and PFM
The rest I never listen to and in some cases have never heard.
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Yes, big five were Yes, ELP, Genesis, King Crimson and Pink Floyd, but sometimes that gets expanded on, and I have heard the term bix six various times over the years, and the number six spot usually goes to Jethro Tull. I'm fine with that concept of a big six.
By the way, I think I voted for Magma in this poll, though VdGG and Soft Machine tempted me. I like Rush, but it personally comes far down this list for me as much as I did like the band when I was a teenager (though I guess I would have voted for Focus back then) | Yes, the Big 5 as I always read it back in the 80s were Yes, Genesis, ELP. Pink Floyd and Jethro Tull with King Crimson sometimes instead of JT i.e. the five largest, best known and biggest selling bands. But I think the term Big 5 was a mistake from the beginning and it should always have been Big 6, because leaving any of that 6 off the list is ridiculous.
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: January 14 2019 at 17:30
1. Gentle Giant 2. Camel 3. VDGG 4. PFM 5. Rush
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 14 2019 at 17:39
For me a toss up between Camel and VDGG. I don't think I'll vote though.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 14 2019 at 17:41
jamesbaldwin wrote:
In this list I miss Family, I think a group that for historical importance and quality of the albums is exceeded only by a few (and in this list by very few). It's strange for me that Family are so little considered. But I think I know the reasons. |
Are there(or were they)really a true prog band though? For me they were one of those bands who sort of start off leaning in a direction that would become prog(ie proto prog)but maybe never quite got there(like the Moody Blues imo). I like their first two albums but haven't heard any others. Going by what I have read and know about them though.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 14 2019 at 17:42
I wasn't aware of Rush weren't in the big six. Big four or five I can understand but who would be there instead of them? Tull? Floyd?
Anyway, wound up voting for Rush despite my previous comment since I didn't see them on the list at first. When I used to rank my favorite bands(I try not to have favorites anymore)I would usually put them at number two just behind Yes.
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Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: January 15 2019 at 17:06
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
jamesbaldwin wrote:
In this list I miss Family, I think a group that for historical importance and quality of the albums is exceeded only by a few (and in this list by very few). It's strange for me that Family are so little considered. But I think I know the reasons. |
Are there(or were they)really a true prog band though? For me they were one of those bands who sort of start off leaning in a direction that would become prog(ie proto prog)but maybe never quite got there(like the Moody Blues imo). I like their first two albums but haven't heard any others. Going by what I have read and know about them though. |
Yes, I know, the proggy attitude of Family is uncertain. But I think they are progressive, in a art-rock way, similar to Strawbs (going to folk) or to Roxy Music (going to pop). The the characteristic of Family is that they have changed the players and the sound with a speed over time of 6 years, without ever stopping into a predefined style, without ever trying to conform themselves to the progressive but evolving with full freedom.
I've written the reviews of the 7 album recorded by Family, here in PA.
In one of these, I wrote: The Family is a great art rock and pioneeristic prog rock band.I think the Family is one of the most underrated group here in progarchives and generally in forums of prog fans. The reasons why Family is underrated are: 1) Family's music is full of american roots-rock influences. 2) The singer is too much cumbersome. 3) The music of the group is guitar-oriented and keyboards are not preminent. 4) Family prefers more short art rock songs than suites or long and odd songs. In a word: Family's music is visceral art rock, not cerebral or classical prog rock. Family's music touch more your lung (and heart) than your brain. Anyway, this music touches you in a surprising way, full of strength and intelligence.
I think that, after the psychedelia of Music In A Doll's House, Family published another masterpiece (more eclectic progressive, more art-rock): Fearless. Even Bandstand is very good.
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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: January 16 2019 at 20:25
I'm only the 2nd person to vote for Focus?
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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: January 16 2019 at 20:48
I enjoy a lot of these bands, and listen to them frequently, but I do dearly love the Moodys for their early excursions....plus they were the first headlining band I ever saw, with Spirit opening. Great show. And yes, Family!
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Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: April 18 2020 at 11:45
VDGG
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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: April 18 2020 at 13:32
Posted By: Rick1
Date Posted: April 18 2020 at 15:57
Softs followed by Magma. I saw Soft Machine about 6 months ago. Superb.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 17 2021 at 06:47
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: April 17 2021 at 06:59
Renaissance followed closely by Camel and with Caravan trailing behind in third place.
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Posted By: Progishness
Date Posted: April 17 2021 at 07:03
Focus, then Renaissance, Camel, and Caravan for pure prog, then Moody Blues for 'crossover'.
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Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: April 17 2021 at 07:19
The system told me I have already voted, but it appears that I haven't posted in this thread. Without a doubt, I voted for Van der Graaf Generator, not only above the other bands in the list, but above all other groups (including the Big Six).
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