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Topic: converted to prog
Posted By: Tiresias
Subject: converted to prog
Date Posted: September 15 2005 at 21:28

I was talking to this girl at the library the other day and she mentioned that she liked DT.  She asked if I liked them.  Saying yes, I also mentioned that my favorite band is Genesis.  She said that she really liked Invisible Touch (ouch). 
So I tried to convert her with the best prog my local library had to offer:

VDGG: H to He, Who am the Only One

Genesis: Live

Yes: Fragile & Close to the Edge

Rush: Exit Stage Left

ELP: the best of (sigh...it was all they had)

Jethro Tull: Thick as a Brick

there were some others, but I can't remember what...

On a side note, my library has Triumvirat CDs,

I was like, "wha??"



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Posted By: Tiresias
Date Posted: September 15 2005 at 21:29
Her head will probably explode....

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Posted By: Cluster One
Date Posted: September 15 2005 at 21:32
Wow! I'm amazed that your library has so much Prog. Compared to my local record store(s), your library is a veritable treasure trove!

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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: September 15 2005 at 21:44
I hope you got her number too, or you've rather missed a trick. 


Posted By: Tiresias
Date Posted: September 15 2005 at 22:02

She's too young..

still legal but too young (im 17, she's 14)

I already have a girlfriend...Pamela Handersen



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Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: September 15 2005 at 22:10

clever masturbation reference

 

But yea i was in french class and we had to do these posters about ourself in french wiht all these pictures about what we like. and they were hung up on the wall.

During class two days ago, i wasnt paying attention so i was looking at all the posters. One kids, doug had a big nirvana logo on it, so it cought my eye. and what was right under it you ask? the majesty symbol! so he automatically became one of my best freinds before i had even met him. So at the end of calss i proclaimed loudly, "who is doug!?" and he said"uh i am" i said"  I LOVE YOU, Cause you listen to DREAM THEATER!" and he luaghed and said, yea...

and then this girl who seemed like one of those preppy pop music girls asks me who they were, and we said that they were this great proggressive metal bands. and her face lit up and she said" I love PROG!" and i said" really? well dream theater is like a heavy metal YES" and she face lit up even more and she said " Yes is my favourite band!" at this point i thoguht she had to be lieng..so i asked her what her favourite album was and wiht out a pause she said  ctte, so we told her to go buy images and words, and then she'll be our best freind

 

dont you love when people listen to good music!?



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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: September 15 2005 at 22:18
Originally posted by Tiresias Tiresias wrote:

She's too young..

still legal but too young (im 17, she's 14)

I already have a girlfriend...Pamela Handersen

If it's legal tender why not spend it?

But seriously, I'm amazed that your local library has so much prog to offer.  You might want to ease her into it though.  I think exposing her to H to He might be a bit too much for her to take.  Maybe ease it gently in...by exposing her to say Duke or something similar, and then maybe Trick of the Tail.



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Posted By: lunaticviolist
Date Posted: September 15 2005 at 22:55
A couple years ago, I was in my Physics class, and I saw some collages on the wall made by some people in a different class.  One of them had the cover to Brain Salad Surgery on it.  I spent every block period staring at that collage wishing I were home listening to ELP.

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Posted By: Odysseus
Date Posted: September 15 2005 at 23:57
Originally posted by Tiresias Tiresias wrote:

Her head will probably explode....




Most definitely, since VDGG is not for prog newbies.

Nice job, though. It's always good to help clean up mainstream-brainwashed minds.


Posted By: the icon of sin
Date Posted: September 16 2005 at 02:44

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

If it's legal tender why not spend it?

 Bloody brilliant phrase!



Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: September 16 2005 at 07:32
Originally posted by Odysseus Odysseus wrote:

Originally posted by Tiresias Tiresias wrote:

Her head will probably explode....




Most definitely, since VDGG is not for prog newbies.


What IS it with people's obsession with "easing in" newcomers? I say f**k it - either prog's the right kind of music for them or it's not. I came across some prog I didn't like immediately but it didn't scare me off, as I'd found plenty I DID like. As it happens VDGG's Pawn Hearts was my 6th or 7th prog purchase, and though it wasn't instant love, I was interested enough to persevere and then of course when it finally clicked I was overjoyed! Subjecting people to less-than-representative tracks/albums by prog bands might seem like a good idea at surface level, but you're really just giving them a false impression of prog. No, ELP wasn't all "Lucky Man" and "Still...", Genesis' greatest work was NOT "Invisible Touch" and the best starting point for Gentle Giant sure ain't "Civilian". Introduce people with BONA FIDE PROG ROCK MASTERPIECES. If it's right for them, they'll lap it up. If not, you won't have wasted their time by pretending it's more accessible than it really is.

Sorry, I just had to get that off my chest.


Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: September 16 2005 at 07:56
I wish my library had that much prog. They've got 2 copies of the Yes 35th anniversary compilation and once had the ELP Remix box set, but I haven't seen that for a while.


Posted By: mrzero
Date Posted: September 16 2005 at 08:20

King Crimson, Gentle Giant, Anekdoten, Yes, Magma, PFM, Genesis, Jethro Tull, Porcupine Tree, Pink Floyd, Zappa, Beefheart, Mahavishnu, Return to Forever, Residents, Van der graf generator and many more do thei have at my lokal library.



Posted By: Chipiron
Date Posted: September 16 2005 at 08:47
Originally posted by mrzero mrzero wrote:

King Crimson, Gentle Giant, Anekdoten, Yes, Magma, PFM, Genesis, Jethro Tull, Porcupine Tree, Pink Floyd, Zappa, Beefheart, Mahavishnu, Return to Forever, Residents, Van der graf generator and many more do thei have at my lokal library.

How lucky... You must live in The Court of the Crimson King...



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Posted By: Musak
Date Posted: September 16 2005 at 10:22

My fav record store has just created a specific section dedicated to Prog but it's still quite poor... No Tool or Porcupine Tree records (except "Deadwing"), only Italian Prog, for the most part. But I think it's an important sign of some kind of "intellectual growth" for my town: here, people are usually so mean and superficial [and not only about music]..



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Posted By: Bob Greece
Date Posted: September 16 2005 at 10:29
Originally posted by Musak Musak wrote:

My fav record store has just created a specific section dedicated to Prog but it's still quite poor... No Tool or Porcupine Tree records (except "Deadwing"), only Italian Prog, for the most part. But I think it's an important sign of some kind of "intellectual growth" for my town: here, people are usually so mean and superficial [and not only about music]..

I think it depends on the size of town you live in. You need to have quite a big town to have a prog store. I recently went on a trip to the UK and you'd think that I would have found a good selection of prog in the stores, but no - I can find more here in Greece! But for anything a little bit out of the ordinary you still have to use the Internet.



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Posted By: Under
Date Posted: September 16 2005 at 10:35

Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

Originally posted by Odysseus Odysseus wrote:

Originally posted by Tiresias Tiresias wrote:

Her head will probably explode....




Most definitely, since VDGG is not for prog newbies.


What IS it with people's obsession with "easing in" newcomers? I say f**k it - either prog's the right kind of music for them or it's not. I came across some prog I didn't like immediately but it didn't scare me off, as I'd found plenty I DID like. As it happens VDGG's Pawn Hearts was my 6th or 7th prog purchase, and though it wasn't instant love, I was interested enough to persevere and then of course when it finally clicked I was overjoyed! Subjecting people to less-than-representative tracks/albums by prog bands might seem like a good idea at surface level, but you're really just giving them a false impression of prog. No, ELP wasn't all "Lucky Man" and "Still...", Genesis' greatest work was NOT "Invisible Touch" and the best starting point for Gentle Giant sure ain't "Civilian". Introduce people with BONA FIDE PROG ROCK MASTERPIECES. If it's right for them, they'll lap it up. If not, you won't have wasted their time by pretending it's more accessible than it really is.

Sorry, I just had to get that off my chest.

Trouserpress, you are one of the few!!
Hardly anyone, who has started to listen to prog, can go to VDGG within one year. But you did it!

And now seriously: I do not agree. Why do little kids like kidpop, like Chipz etc. Because it is simple and very easy to digest. Prog is not easy to digest and going from the Chipz album to VDGG Pawn Hearts can cause sever brain damage.
It is like a fysical training, you need to build up your condition.

I think it is our moral duty and social behaviour to warn newbies for too much prog.

 



Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: September 16 2005 at 10:35
Originally posted by Bob Greece Bob Greece wrote:

Originally posted by Musak Musak wrote:

My fav record store has just created a specific section dedicated to Prog but it's still quite poor... No Tool or Porcupine Tree records (except "Deadwing"), only Italian Prog, for the most part. But I think it's an important sign of some kind of "intellectual growth" for my town: here, people are usually so mean and superficial [and not only about music]..

I think it depends on the size of town you live in. You need to have quite a big town to have a prog store. I recently went on a trip to the UK and you'd think that I would have found a good selection of prog in the stores, but no - I can find more here in Greece! But for anything a little bit out of the ordinary you still have to use the Internet.

Too true. I have commented on this before in my "HMV and prog" thread. Most stores have sections for rock, folk, jazz, country, even death metal but never prog, and they only stock the bigger prog bands (Floyd, Genesis, Yes, Tull etc). We've strayed a bit off thread now.



Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: September 16 2005 at 10:48
Originally posted by Under Under wrote:

Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

Originally posted by Odysseus Odysseus wrote:

Originally posted by Tiresias Tiresias wrote:

Her head will probably explode....




Most definitely, since VDGG is not for prog newbies.


What IS it with people's obsession with "easing in" newcomers? I say f**k it - either prog's the right kind of music for them or it's not. I came across some prog I didn't like immediately but it didn't scare me off, as I'd found plenty I DID like. As it happens VDGG's Pawn Hearts was my 6th or 7th prog purchase, and though it wasn't instant love, I was interested enough to persevere and then of course when it finally clicked I was overjoyed! Subjecting people to less-than-representative tracks/albums by prog bands might seem like a good idea at surface level, but you're really just giving them a false impression of prog. No, ELP wasn't all "Lucky Man" and "Still...", Genesis' greatest work was NOT "Invisible Touch" and the best starting point for Gentle Giant sure ain't "Civilian". Introduce people with BONA FIDE PROG ROCK MASTERPIECES. If it's right for them, they'll lap it up. If not, you won't have wasted their time by pretending it's more accessible than it really is.

Sorry, I just had to get that off my chest.

Trouserpress, you are one of the few!!
Hardly anyone, who has started to listen to prog, can go to VDGG within one year. But you did it!

And now seriously: I do not agree. Why do little kids like kidpop, like Chipz etc. Because it is simple and very easy to digest. Prog is not easy to digest and going from the Chipz album to VDGG Pawn Hearts can cause sever brain damage.
It is like a fysical training, you need to build up your condition.

I think it is our moral duty and social behaviour to warn newbies for too much prog.

 


You're joking, right? For me I barely listened to music bar classical before I got into prog. Then it was like a simple switch being flicked - I'd found the right music for me. I'm sure I'm not alone in this regard. I just don't see the point in making out prog to be something it's not, i.e. accessible. If you like prog bands just for their occassional dalliances with pop then you are not a real prog fan.

Oh, and what would you define as a "little kid"? I was about 14 when I got into prog. I'm 19 now.



Posted By: Under
Date Posted: September 16 2005 at 11:03

Little kids: From 2 to 8 years old.

The first album I bought was Queen II, an very good album with some fine progressive songs on it. At least I discovered that years ago. At that time (I was about 13) it was too much for me.

Why was Kiss or Alice Cooper ever considered as very heavy bands? If you hear them now, you hear nice rock bands and nothing more. Cooper even has its symphonic touches here and there.
If Napalm Death woudl have made music in the 50's, they would have been lynched.

Not only the music progresses, the person progress along. And therefor it is a biological process to go from the baby songs when one is a baby, to the kid pop, to normal pop and during puberty the person becomes an adult and creates the ability to like prog.

Maby you truely did not like prog that much, but liked the fact that your taste was different and you pissed your parents off with your music. Like the first beer your drink. Who really liked it a lot?

 



Posted By: Biggles
Date Posted: September 16 2005 at 11:13
I think people should be eased into it, because I was eased in myself. The first prog band I got into was Pink Floyd, and they're a band that doesn't screw with your head while still managing to make amazing prog masterpieces. It still took me quite a while to appreciate Dark Side of the Moon for the incredible work it is... to be honest, the first few times I listened to it I either got bored or just skipped to "Money" and left it at that. And let's not even talk about "Larks' Tongues in Aspic..." I only played "Book of Saturday" out of that album for about a month before I got everything else. And you know why that is? Because I listened to the most accessible, yes, that's right, accessible songs on the albums so that I could begin to understand the style of the band, and that was a huge bridge in understanding their other songs. If I had heard "Larks' Tongues in Aspic" when I was 14, I probably would have thought it was rubbish and given it straight back to my dad (who eased me into prog, btw).

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Posted By: Odysseus
Date Posted: September 16 2005 at 11:26
Originally posted by Biggles Biggles wrote:

I think people should be eased into it, because I was eased in myself. The first prog band I got into was Pink Floyd, and they're a band that doesn't screw with your head while still managing to make amazing prog masterpieces. It still took me quite a while to appreciate Dark Side of the Moon for the incredible work it is... to be honest, the first few times I listened to it I either got bored or just skipped to "Money" and left it at that. And let's not even talk about "Larks' Tongues in Aspic..." I only played "Book of Saturday" out of that album for about a month before I got everything else. And you know why that is? Because I listened to the most accessible, yes, that's right, accessible songs on the albums so that I could begin to understand the style of the band, and that was a huge bridge in understanding their other songs. If I had heard "Larks' Tongues in Aspic" when I was 14, I probably would have thought it was rubbish and given it straight back to my dad (who eased me into prog, btw).


Good point, Biggles!


Posted By: Odysseus
Date Posted: September 16 2005 at 11:28

Prog, like fine wine, is an acquired taste.



Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: September 16 2005 at 11:49
Originally posted by Under Under wrote:

Maby you truely did not like prog that much, but liked the fact that your taste was different and you pissed your parents off with your music. Like the first beer your drink. Who really liked it a lot?

 


I didn't piss them off that much. My Dad was pleased that I'd found music I could feel passionate about. And no, I didn't enjoy beer that much. I still don't and nowadays - I'm basically tee-total.




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