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Topic: HEAVY METAL?
Posted By: jitu
Subject: HEAVY METAL?
Date Posted: September 13 2005 at 17:40

WHO INVENTED HEAVY METAL?

 

YOU TELL ME.

PLEASE



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Posted By: Damen
Date Posted: September 13 2005 at 17:52
Sabbath...

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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: September 13 2005 at 17:56

Sabbath. Led Zep were more influential on prog and hard rock, they never played pyre metal. Sabbath did that from the very beginning.

Btw, Zeppelin is my fave non prog band



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Posted By: jitu
Date Posted: September 13 2005 at 18:01



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Posted By: Ben2112
Date Posted: September 13 2005 at 21:16
I LOVE Zep, but I agree with the others that their sound was not as seminal to all other metal that came afterwards as Sabbath's was. Led Zep ended up influencing the Hard Rock movement much more than the hardcore metal one.


Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: September 13 2005 at 22:10

Black Sabbath. Led Zeppelin were more influencial on rock and hard rock.



Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: September 13 2005 at 22:13

 Good Question- Sabbath- they lead to Death Metal as well



Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: September 14 2005 at 10:11
Black Sabbath I guess.

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Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: September 14 2005 at 10:12
Originally posted by Drew Drew wrote:

 Good Question- Sabbath- they lead to Death Metal as well



Eh... Not! More like doom metal.
 

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Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: September 14 2005 at 12:15

Actually, the term Heavy Metal came from 1968 song by Steppenwolf called Born to be Wild.  It was describing the sounds of motorcycles Heavy Metal Thunder.  Some critic picked it up and used it to describe the sounds of heavy guitars which that song also had.  The term just stuck. So Niether of these bands started it.

 



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Posted By: Jools
Date Posted: September 15 2005 at 08:23
I chose Sabbath but I also think the Who, Kinks, Jimi Hendrix maybe even King Crimson were hinting at hose kind of sounds at least a few years before Sabbath.

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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 15 2005 at 08:35
Led Zeppelin are a Blues/Hard-Rock band.

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Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: September 15 2005 at 08:45
Black Sabbath was THE first heavy band, and they created DOOM metal as well (Master of Reality).


Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: September 15 2005 at 08:47
Originally posted by jitu jitu wrote:

WHO INVENTED HEAVY METAL?

 

YOU TELL ME.

PLEASE

Neither

I think the first heavy metal band was Blue Cheer

Their first album Vincebus Eruptum was released in Jan. 1968,one year before Zeppelin's debut was released and 2 years before Sabbath released their self titled debut album.

 



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Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: September 15 2005 at 10:10

 

Who invented Heavy Metal?

 

the Iron Butterfly, of course!

 

with their stunning 1968 album In A-Gadda-Da-Vida!



Posted By: richeym
Date Posted: September 15 2005 at 13:18
King Crimson. download and listen to 21st Century Schizoid Man.


Posted By: richeym
Date Posted: September 15 2005 at 13:27
King Crimson. download and listen to 21st Century Schizoid Man.


Posted By: lordoflight
Date Posted: September 15 2005 at 16:08
Posted: 2005 15 September at 8:47am | IP Logged Report Post http://www.progarchives.com/forum/edit_post.asp?M=Q&PID=1578167&TPN=1">Quote TheProgtologist

jitu wrote:

WHO INVENTED HEAVY METAL?

 

YOU TELL ME.

PLEASE

Neither

I think the first heavy metal band was Blue Cheer

Their first album Vincebus Eruptum was released in Jan. 1968,one year before Zeppelin's debut was released and 2 years before Sabbath released their self titled debut album.

 



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He's right. However, there were some other obscure bands who can be credited with helping invent heavy metal, like Sir Lord Baltimore, who realeased two albums - Kingdome Come and Sir Lord Baltimore in 1970/71 and Leaf Hound - Growers of Mushrooms



Posted By: Philrod
Date Posted: September 15 2005 at 16:35
probably god ...well on second tought, it has to be the devil

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Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: September 15 2005 at 17:16

You're all wrong... it was Fozzy.

Check them out if you don't believe me.

http://fozzyrock.com -  



Posted By: Dream Theater
Date Posted: September 15 2005 at 20:26
Fozzy

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September 15 2005 at 20:46

We all know who's the best Heavy Metal Band.

The ones that make the adrenaline starts to flow

The ones that thrash'em all arround

The ones that always acted like maniacs.

Metallica.

 



Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: September 15 2005 at 20:49

Sabbath from that list because Zeppelin is obviously not Metal.

Even though Zeppelin owns Sabbath!



Posted By: Odysseus
Date Posted: September 15 2005 at 20:56
Sabbath "invented" the genre, but Zepp added a little more blues and originality.


Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: September 15 2005 at 21:34
Its true that Sabbath played heavy right from the start, but it was Led Zeppelin with Led Zeppelin II who really gave birth to heavy.

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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: September 15 2005 at 21:37
Originally posted by Petrucci_2099 Petrucci_2099 wrote:

We all know who's the best Heavy Metal Band.

The ones that make the adrenaline starts to flow

The ones that thrash'em all arround

The ones that always acted like maniacs.

Metallica.

 

But they didn't "invent" metal.

And Slayer BLOWS THEM AWAY



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Posted By: Cygnus X-1
Date Posted: September 16 2005 at 14:57
pffft neither! Motorhead invented metal!!!!!!
Pah but if ihave to choose... Sabbath.

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Posted By: Mlaen
Date Posted: September 16 2005 at 15:03
Sabbath bloody Sabbath...   


Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: September 16 2005 at 15:41

But I don't like how un-variant Slayer is, I prefer Metallica, but the best Metal band (not including Prog of course) has to be

Blind Guardian!



Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: September 16 2005 at 15:45
I repeat it: IRON BUTTERFLY, US from!


Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: September 16 2005 at 17:16
BLACK SABBATH invented metal as we know it today.  hands down.  no question.

they invented heavy metal, doom, death, and yes, even prog-metal.

btw, when I speak of sabbath, I only speak of Ozzy-era.  Dio sucks.

thank you, have a nice day.


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Posted By: Prodigal
Date Posted: September 18 2005 at 17:00
Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Sabbath from that list because Zeppelin is obviously not Metal.

Even though Zeppelin owns Sabbath!



Agreed.



Posted By: krauthead
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 16:18
Black Sabbath

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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 18:00
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by jitu jitu wrote:

WHO INVENTED HEAVY METAL?

 

YOU TELL ME.

PLEASE

Neither

I think the first heavy metal band was Blue Cheer

Their first album Vincebus Eruptum was released in Jan. 1968,one year before Zeppelin's debut was released and 2 years before Sabbath released their self titled debut album.

 

Blue Cheer it was - "Louder than God!"

...and Spooky Tooth were writing riffs like that two years before Black Sabbath, and Jeff Beck and Cream earlier still - so don't go thinking that Sabbath invented Metal - it grew from these bands and the likes of The Who, Ten Years After and Hendrix until that whole "Cult" thing spread around it.

Sabbath had that in spades, of course, so if you're ignoring the music and settling for attitude, then the Sabs aren't a bad place to start. 

The late 1960s/early 1970s was a great time for the Heavy Blues bands that immediately preceeded metal, and Sabbath's music is very closely related, but as far as the riff goes (the root building block of metal), the earliest known "Metal-style" riff is rightly or wrongly attributed to the Kinks - but I reckon that's because Van Halen covered them. Some people even say that the Troggs were the first metal band... (I don't think those people have  heard "Ride Your Pony", "Hi, Hi, Hazel" or "Love Is All Around")

The term "Heavy Metal" is not only erroneously attributed to Steppenwolf, but also to William S Burroughs' "Heavy Metal Kid" (Uranium Willy). Neither are the first usage of the term in relation to the music. I don't really know what is, but Lester Bangs thinks he said it first, and so far no-one seems to dispute him.

The first I knew of it was in the mid-late 1970s, when the New Wave Of British Heavy Metal started. THEN there was a genre of Heavy Metal, which suddenly had this amazing pedigree, with roots in all these great bands like Thin Lizzy, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath (rarely), and so on. See, Sabbath's music had little to do with the NWOBHM - it was stylistically very different.

Motorhead are really the first of the NWOBHM, but their 1975 album "On Parole" was shelved by an over-cautious United Artists, and only released after punk had caught on and Lemmy had re-recorded the album with a new Motorhead and released it on Chiswick.

However, I'll always associate the "true" beginning of the NWOBHM with Raven, simply because Raven Crash, Bang, Walloped all over everything that hard rock used to be and forged this tight, diamond-hard, technically profecient and yet wild style that was "proper" (progressive?) metal. And then there was Saxon, with their simplistic but LOUD style - Blue Cheer would have been proud of Saxon 

You could say that Judas Priest were first - or even Uriah Heep, but the NWOBHM began with a brace of bands too many to mention, including, mysteriously, AC/DC. You'd have to look up the release dates of the singles or demos to find out who was the first.

Black Sabbath's "Heaven and Hell" is probably the nearest to metal  as we know it now - after all, Def Leppard were part of the NWOBHM - so was that Metal, or was it just people at the time not knowing what metal was?

But, as has been mentioned, it was Metallica that re-invented Metal properly (thanks to the influences of Diamond Head, Budgie, Metal Church and Bleak House, who wrote the original of "Welcome Home (Sanitarium)" http://truemetal.org/battle/remasters1.html - mp3 here... Metallica were such tea-leaves, but you only have to listen to what they did with the raw material to appreciate what they did for metal.

So if anyone's still awake after that lot (mere food for thought and speculation), I'm not voting...




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