If Prog Genres were Wine
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Topic: If Prog Genres were Wine
Posted By: wiz_d_kidd
Subject: If Prog Genres were Wine
Date Posted: March 15 2018 at 10:47
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If prog genres were wine, what would they be? Canterbury = Barbaresco (the lighter version of Barolo, see Jazz Rock/Fusion) Crossover = Barley wine (not quite wine, not quite beer) Eclectic = Chateauneuf Du Pape (a blend of up to 18 varieties) Experimental = Gik (blue wine) Heavy = Petit Syrah (big, bold) Jazz Rock/Fusion = Barolo (deep, complex, powerful) Krautrock = Gewurztraminer (unquestionably German) Neo-Prog = Table wine (fruity, but not particularly forward) Post/Math Rock = Pet-Nat (fizzy wine for techno-hipsters) Prog Folk = Pinot Grigio (mild and unassertive) Electronic = Zinfandel (jammy, peppery, racy, with a long finish) Metal = Port (fortified to kick your butt) Proto-Prog = Mead (early version of wine) Psychedelic/Space = Absinthe (unapologetically trippy) RIO/Avant = Beaujolais Nouveau (more about the movement than the wine) RPI = Chianti (unquestionably Italian) Symphonic = Champagne (bright, sparkling, bubbly) Tech/Extreme = Jalapeno Wine (fiery hot) Zeuhl = Retsina (fermented with tree sap, an acquired taste) |
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: March 15 2018 at 13:54
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Actually Gewürztraminer has its origin in Alsace which belongs to France, though it did belong to Germany once and was heavily debated about between these two countries for 300 years. The German name is only because the predominant language in Alsace is German (actually an Allemanic dialect of German). So Gewürztraminer is actually anything but "unquestionably German". Krautrock is more like mulled wine - some strange flavours like cardamom, cinnamon and cloves added and with quite a kick. -------------  BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: March 15 2018 at 17:28
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I wish I knew more about wine. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: March 15 2018 at 17:47
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An interesting thread - well done for your efforts - even if I don't follow all your choices. Symphonic prog would be a warm, robust and comforting Barossa Shiraz, while neo-prog would be a bold Super-Tuscan! Prog metal has to be an American Zinfandel - a lot of power but sometimes lacking in finesse! I think a Riesling perfectly sums up Kraut Rock! Maybe you want to think about wines for classic bands? Yes would be a Burgundian Pinot Noir, Genesis would be a Coonawarra Cabernet Sauvignon while I think ELP would have to be the Champagne - a classic, bubbly made from the three grapes - which sadly has now lost its fizz too soon! Jethro Tull definitely an aged Vintage Port whilst King Crimson has to be an astringent, soured red like a Chianti Classico! Barolo for Gentle Giant - roses and tar aromas! The possibilities are endless! ------------- “Living in their pools, they soon forget about the sea.” |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: March 15 2018 at 18:58
| I don't drink, and don't know anything about liquors, so I'll pass. |
Posted By: fredyair
Date Posted: March 15 2018 at 19:11
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Good choices although not all of them are wines, but Metal Prog should be Malbec, the boldest, stronger, harshest red wine of them all. ------------- Long live Progresive music! |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: March 15 2018 at 19:29
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Don't buy the RIO one at all. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: March 15 2018 at 20:13
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The good news is all of these genres have plenty of cheese to go with the wine. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: ProfPanglos
Date Posted: March 15 2018 at 20:22
Love it.
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BaldFriede wrote:Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: March 15 2018 at 20:35
Hmm, yes, because prog can be cheesy. How about a 'If Prog genres were Cheese' thread-- Anyone? Anyone? ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: March 15 2018 at 20:54
RIO would be an extremely runny Roquefort ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: March 15 2018 at 23:34
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Sad to say, but American prog would be like Gallo wine in a box. ------------- I am not a Robot, I'm a FREE MAN!! |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: March 16 2018 at 01:17
(In worst possible Yakov Smirnoff voice) "In RIO, cheese grates you" ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow"> https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: March 16 2018 at 04:00
In terms of "quite not", I would rather think of vermouth, or - more noble - Pineau des Charentes I fully agree with Friede on this. Gewürztraminer comes from the Alsace, where wines are named after their grape variety. I would recommend Gewürztraminer rather than Krautrock, but that's a matter of personal taste  .Absinthe is not a wine, but a spirit with an ABV of 55% and a small quantity of thujone, which affects the central nervous system, but probably does not have psychedelic effects. ------------- 
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: March 16 2018 at 05:14
Well, if prog were cheese RIO/Avant would be Stilton - only genuine with a few maggots in it.  ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 16 2018 at 05:41
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hahha.. oh we could have some fun with this one. Easy one out of the gate... Neo prog http://www.bumwine.com/md2020.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.bumwine.com/md2020.html ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: March 16 2018 at 05:54
| Neo Prog is a Non-Alcoholic Red Wine for sure. |
Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: March 16 2018 at 07:16
| Resplendent, outstanding choices Wiz! |
Posted By: wiz_d_kidd
Date Posted: March 16 2018 at 07:23
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Neo-Prog = Mad Dog! I love it!. Mad Dog (Neo-Prog), the wine (music) for someone who doesn't have the taste to appreciate fine wine (good prog), but wants desperately to set themselves apart from common beer (rock). |
Posted By: wiz_d_kidd
Date Posted: March 16 2018 at 07:32
Thanks! I think it underscores why "genres" are important... they differentiate the different "flavors" of music. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: March 16 2018 at 07:37
| RIO/Avant would be a weird tasting wine, people would barely know what it is. An experimental wine. |
Posted By: wiz_d_kidd
Date Posted: March 16 2018 at 07:46
How about Masato? It's made by chewing yuca and spitting it into a bucket to ferment. http://theplate.nationalgeographic.com/2015/03/30/ancient-alcoholic-drinks-unusual-starter-human-spit/" rel="nofollow - http://theplate.nationalgeographic.com/2015/03/30/ancient-alcoholic-drinks-unusual-starter-human-spit/ |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: March 16 2018 at 07:57
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And how about Indo/Raga? Something like bhang lassi? -------------
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: March 16 2018 at 08:02
You really don't like RIO do you ;) ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: wiz_d_kidd
Date Posted: March 16 2018 at 08:12
Actually, I'm OK with some of it. I like The Cellar and Point. It was me who recommended them for addition to PA. I also like Pikapika Teart. It's a start... |
Posted By: wiz_d_kidd
Date Posted: March 16 2018 at 08:14
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[QUOTE=someone_else]And how about Indo/Raga? Something like bhang lassi? Yes! Perfect choice. I deleted Indo/Raga from my list because I could not come up with anything. Thanks for that. |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: March 16 2018 at 08:17
Big fan of both those bands. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: March 16 2018 at 08:38
| The idea some people have of the RIO/Avant subgenre is rather funny. While there undoubtedly are bands and solo artists that fit the stereotype of "weird and dissonant", many of the acts you will find under that umbrella can be very melodic - though, obviously, not in the same way your typical Neo band would be. |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: March 16 2018 at 09:43
My comment was with a wink; I am fully aware there are some very melodic albums there. ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: March 16 2018 at 10:19
 Looks highly dubious  ------------- Soldato of the Pan Head Mafia. We'll make you an offer you can't listen to. http://bandcamp.com/jpillbox" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Profile |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: March 16 2018 at 10:40
^I think I'd prefer Avant over RiO: -------------
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Posted By: wiz_d_kidd
Date Posted: March 16 2018 at 10:54
 Not a genre, but a classic! |
Posted By: wiz_d_kidd
Date Posted: March 16 2018 at 11:02
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Here's a winery in VA that pairs their wines with music... “Notaviva was founded on the vision of providing customers an opportunity to heighten their enjoyment of wine by inspiring them to consider the correlation between music, their emotions and their sensory perception,” says CEO and wine composer, Stephen Mackey. “This phenomenon of pairing wine and music is based in a field of cognitive neuroscience known as crossmodal correspondence. Your sense of smell and taste are influence by your other sensory stimuli, such as sight and sound. By leveraging AR technologies, our goal is to give the customer additional sensory input—through music and visuals—into what their wine consumption experience might be like while they are considering purchasing a sealed bottle of wine. Once they have purchased the bottle, we then provide them with additional context through playlists and custom-programmed radio stations that they can then enjoy with that bottle.” |
Posted By: Cosmiclawnmower
Date Posted: March 16 2018 at 14:39
Have you tried 'Stinking Bishop'?? That's definitely a cheese with a 'character' (and quite possibly a few life-forms in it too); It is washed with Perry cider which eventually builds up a.. um.. flavoursome and aromatic rind.. ''Stinking Bishop is an award-winning,
washed-rind cheese produced since 1994 by Charles Martell and Son at
Hunts Court Farm, Dymock, Gloucestershire, in the south west of England''  I make my own 'Country wines' and have for years... when I was much younger I made a very acceptable Blackberry and Magic mushroom wine... which I guess would probably equate with 'Acid/Wyrd Folk! ------------- |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: March 16 2018 at 15:00
An eye-opening view on the cheesiness of RIO/Avant
 . And http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=12435" rel="nofollow - maggots were fresh in the heyday of acid/wyrd folk.-------------
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Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: March 20 2018 at 13:52
| This would be easier for me if the thread was "If Prog Genres Were Pills." |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 22 2018 at 08:37
ROSEBUD! ROSEBUD! ROSEBUD! (Strictly for Stack!!!!!) Honestly, all music for me, is a "wine", since I can not drink other than water and maybe a small diet coke now and then. But I think this might be so since most wines in America are simply colored water compared to the real thing in Europe, which has not succumbed to the world marked of quantities that America produces, which have killed vintages and possible options of variety as Europe is known for. If the OP had stated "beer" for America, I would think it would be a much more interesting article. But wine, for me, is much more of an European thing than anything else ... I just do not think there is a good enough American wine worth drinking with my dinner! Most of it is all advertising and sales ... not wine! C'mon ... wine with a hamburger and fries?
------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: wiz_d_kidd
Date Posted: March 23 2018 at 10:15
Europe produces nearly 6 times more wine than the US... Biggest wine producers in 2016 (in million hectoliters) according to OIV statistics:
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Posted By: starless2112
Date Posted: March 25 2018 at 21:00
Need to have a beer/prog comparison! I'm not too keen on wine, except for cooking.
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