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A Frippless Crimson

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Topic: A Frippless Crimson
Posted By: Gianthogweed
Subject: A Frippless Crimson
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 12:28
I apologize one of the main reasons I made this thread was because I love saying Frippless.

But I am generally curious. Could a Frippless Crimson have ever existed? The original lineup broke up in december of 69 and went their seperate ways. By the end of 1970, Robert Fripp was the only original member. As it stands, every King Crimson album features him, and since the initial breakup, it is he who controls who stays and who goes. I'm not exactly sure how it got to this point, as I don't know much about the history of this band, although I've been a fan for some time and have all of their studio albums and several live albums.

A few years ago 3 of the 4 original members of King Crimson (minus Fripp) formed a band called the 21st Century Schizoid Band. Obviously, they couldn't call the band King Crimson because Fripp was not present, and he had the rights to the name. This got me thinking, legal issues aside, could this band be King Crimson? It's sort of like the Pink Floyd legal dispute in 1985 in which Waters tried to sue for the name. Did Waterless Floyd have the right to be Pink Floyd? I think they did. A similar thing also happened with Steppenwolf, and also with Yes/Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe.

And here's another interesting question. If Fripp were to, say, join 21st Century Schizoid Band (highly unlikely but entirely possible). Could it then be called King Crimson? Fripp classifies King Crimson more as a way of doing things than as a specific sound, or specific musicians. In fact, he often says that the actual musicians are unimportant to the process. By this logic, King Crimson could technically be Frippless, and I believe he even has alluded to this in some of his interviews, but I doubt very much that it ever would be.



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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 14:10
I don't know who technically owns the name "King Crimson" but I would assume it's Fripp. Either way I can't see that a Frippless KC would be KC.
Yes are a different case as they don't have one dominant member in the same way as Mr Fripp.


Posted By: RaphaelT
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 15:33

 

What Fripp said about KC being actually a method of making music I read as only words and therefore I doubt he would allow Frippless KC to exist and we might expect legal litigation for the use of name.

If Fripp has joined 21st Schizoid Band it would be KC.



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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 18:11
I think Fripless Crimson=Andersonless JT. not pretty

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Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: September 10 2005 at 22:51
FRIPPLESS KING CRIMSON = GORDIAN KNOT!

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Posted By: porter
Date Posted: September 11 2005 at 10:05
Originally posted by Gianthogweed Gianthogweed wrote:

 Fripp classifies King Crimson more as a way of doing things than as a specific sound, or specific musicians. In fact, he often says that the actual musicians are unimportant to the process. By this logic, King Crimson could technically be Frippless, and I believe he even has alluded to this in some of his interviews, but I doubt very much that it ever would be.

King Crimson IS Fripp. It may also be a "way of doing things" as he liked to say in the 80's, but HE and HE only remains the brain underneath the whole thing. No Frippless KC would be possible.



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Posted By: porter
Date Posted: September 11 2005 at 10:06

Originally posted by greenback greenback wrote:

FRIPPLESS KING CRIMSON = GORDIAN KNOT!

man do you think I'm blind?! 

good point anyway...



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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: September 11 2005 at 11:12
FRIPPLESS CRIMSON = GENTLE GIANT WITHOUT SHULMAN, SHULMAN, MINNEAR, GREEN, WHEATERS OR GENESIS WITHOUT RUTHERFORD & BANKS!!

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Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: September 11 2005 at 12:06
If only god would bless us with a Fripplesss Crimson, oh wait he has, 21st Century Schizoid Band!

They are more KC than Fripp's 1990's metal version now IMO.

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